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(01-28-2021 10:08 AM)monarx Wrote:  
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(01-28-2021 09:46 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The A10 would be great.
I am still unsure what we offer them beyond dilution of their NCAAT payout - unless VCU is pushing this - which is a good possibility.

I am skeptical of football being able to survive as an Indy though.

1. Very problematic scheduling, which could still cause travel issues.

2. No media contract - even the paltry CUSA media distribution money is better than nothing, AND, we do get on TV some. We will be at the mercy of our opponent, and if we schedule indy vs indy we may not get on TV at all, and that could be as many as 3 games in a season. Lessening our exposure, even if just a little, could cause a ripple effect with recruiting, donations, and potential future scheduling.

3. No CFP payout. The Group of Five got $86 million from the College Football Playoff in 2019 - 70 million of which was divided evenly amount the five leagues

4. No bowl tie-ins. We will likely need to be really good to get a bowl invite.

5. No path to the NY6. And while that seems like an unrealistic goal, it should nevertheless be something we ultimately aspire to. Coastal and Liberty were both close to that level this season and they were not even our peers just a few seasons ago. Additionally, any expansion of the playoffs, or the creation of a G5 playoff, could leave us out in the cold.

UMass is hemorrhaging money in it's football program. With more overall resources than we have there is still talk of falling back to FCS or dropping FB entirely.

1. You are probably right
2. The couple hundred thousand we get is meaningless in a $40M budget. We could probably get that on our own. We could certainly make it up in ticket sales on the basketball side.
3. Not sure exactly how much we get, but it is more significant. Still think that increased basketball money would likely offset it.
4. With the number of bowls out there, I think we would find ourselves in bowls if eligible.
5. We have no path to NY6 or a potential expanded playoff anytime in the near future. Indy would not be the long term goal, but A-10 + Indy probably would present a better position for us to move into a conference (AAC) that allows us to improve basketball and football before we have reached the level of maturity in the football program that might permit us to compete at such a high level.

So, I guess it looks to me like 4 of your 5 points are non issues at this stage for our athletic program. The one point that is an issue is significant, but if a plan can be put in place to mitigate it, then it seems a no brainer to move to A-10 (if invited) and drop football into an Indy alliance if Sunbelt or CUSA are not football only options.

So, I guess I think

In the long run, we'd be on real TV a lot more in the A10 with hoops than football as it is now. The money we save in travel would offset a lot of the CFP money losses. For football media, we'd be able to negotiate our own deal. So perhaps MASN would show some games, LU has their own deal. The only kicker I see is the bowl affiliations or lack there of. That can be remedied.

As far as what we bring to the A10: another high quality upper mid major team, with similar resources, a large market, and a pretty good fanbase when we are good. Plus geographic proximity and a name schools in the A10 are familiar with that would help drive more ticket sales. We'd probably help bolster their appeal to TV as well.

I agree. I think with a scheduling alliance plus what you look at on our future schedules it's hard but not crazy. We have what Liberty and others don't, the 37th largest metro area called the 757 that people want to recruit from.

If that alliance is true we have 6 games already established yearly. Looking at fbsschedules.com we have 4 ooc games the next 2 seasons on contract and 3 scheduled through 2024. So we already have 9 games lined up at minimum through 2024. I'm not saying it's not a challenge but I think it's doable.
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(01-28-2021 09:46 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The A10 would be great.
I am still unsure what we offer them beyond dilution of their NCAAT payout - unless VCU is pushing this - which is a good possibility.

I am skeptical of football being able to survive as an Indy though.

1. Very problematic scheduling, which could still cause travel issues.

2. No media contract - even the paltry CUSA media distribution money is better than nothing, AND, we do get on TV some. We will be at the mercy of our opponent, and if we schedule indy vs indy we may not get on TV at all, and that could be as many as 3 games in a season. Lessening our exposure, even if just a little, could cause a ripple effect with recruiting, donations, and potential future scheduling.

3. No CFP payout. The Group of Five got $86 million from the College Football Playoff in 2019 - 70 million of which was divided evenly amount the five leagues

4. No bowl tie-ins. We will likely need to be really good to get a bowl invite.

5. No path to the NY6. And while that seems like an unrealistic goal, it should nevertheless be something we ultimately aspire to. Coastal and Liberty were both close to that level this season and they were not even our peers just a few seasons ago. Additionally, any expansion of the playoffs, or the creation of a G5 playoff, could leave us out in the cold.

UMass is hemorrhaging money in it's football program. With more overall resources than we have there is still talk of falling back to FCS or dropping FB entirely.

We offer demand in many ways. Obviously our games against UR, VCU, GMU, and possibly GW would garner enough potential viewers to at the very least be a draw for regional TV. We also offer a large enough fan base to count on bringing several thousand to the conference tournament, which is the big money maker for basketball conferences, which may well be in Richmond moving forward and has otherwise often been in DC. Also the scheduling with travel cost being in high focus. We are a bus trip for most of the conference and wouldn't even need to plan overnights for a lot of the games. And aside from rare occasions, we perform well enough to not drag down the conference and based on past history would likely have much better recruiting there than we have had in CUSA.
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(01-28-2021 09:46 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The A10 would be great.
I am still unsure what we offer them beyond dilution of their NCAAT payout - unless VCU is pushing this - which is a good possibility.

I am skeptical of football being able to survive as an Indy though.

1. Very problematic scheduling, which could still cause travel issues.

2. No media contract - even the paltry CUSA media distribution money is better than nothing, AND, we do get on TV some. We will be at the mercy of our opponent, and if we schedule indy vs indy we may not get on TV at all, and that could be as many as 3 games in a season. Lessening our exposure, even if just a little, could cause a ripple effect with recruiting, donations, and potential future scheduling.

3. No CFP payout. The Group of Five got $86 million from the College Football Playoff in 2019 - 70 million of which was divided evenly amount the five leagues

4. No bowl tie-ins. We will likely need to be really good to get a bowl invite.

5. No path to the NY6. And while that seems like an unrealistic goal, it should nevertheless be something we ultimately aspire to. Coastal and Liberty were both close to that level this season and they were not even our peers just a few seasons ago. Additionally, any expansion of the playoffs, or the creation of a G5 playoff, could leave us out in the cold.

UMass is hemorrhaging money in it's football program. With more overall resources than we have there is still talk of falling back to FCS or dropping FB entirely.

Well yes but no somewhat.

1) This is a good point, and something that would need to be discussed. I would say ODU is in a better position than UMass when it comes to scheduling, since we're near a larger amount of G5 and P5 schools, and we have already demonstrated an ability to host P5 games, something that UMass has a really hard time with. But Indy scheduling is more of the wild west and getting 6 home games would be a tough out every year.

2) We would get a media contract through the A10 though, and we would (even if we didn't receive any past NCAAT credits) get more money through NCAAT credits than we could dream with at C-USA if the A10 continues being really good at basketball. We also only get 200K from the conference, we could make 7x that by doing one extra buy game, which we would have much more room for with an Indy schedule. (ODU at South Carolina will net ODU a cool $1.5 Million for example)

3) 70 Million divided by 5 divided by 14 = $1 Million. So an extra buy game like the South Carolina one would cover both the CFP payout and the loss of media revenue.

4) This is a legitimate issue and one that would need to be addressed. I think maybe the Indy Alliance could secure 1 bid to a friendly bowl, but maybe not. If we could get some sort of guarantee then I'd be fine with it.

5) This is a legitimate issue, and one I don't really see a remedy to. I doubt the contract would be changed to give Indy's more access than they already have, and only way I see this changing is if similar moves caused a cascade of schools to go for independence, which is waaaaaaaaaaaay unlikely in my opinion.
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Why couldn't these independent schools plus a couple others from CUSA and/or the SB create their own new conference? I know this has been discussed somewhere, but I can't remember the rules that limit the options for a new conference being created
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Also, I did a bit more research into how much ODU football has been on TV over the past few years. Of course, not having any information from 2020 makes it a bit tougher, but here are my results:

In 2019, ODU Football had zero C-USA based games (games in which the C-USA media contract would apply) on broadcast TV (which I define as not being ESPN+/ESPN3/Stadium/Facebook). We had 1 game on ESPN2 (@UVA) and 1 game on ESPNU (@VT), but as I said those are more due to the ACC media contract vice the C-USA one.

ODU 2019 C-USA Media Contract-Based Games
ESPN+: 6
ESPN3: 3
Stadium: 1

The last time ODU Football was on broadcast TV was when CBS Sports produced the Virginia Tech at ODU game in September of 2018. ODU also was on BeIN sports for one game vs FIU in sept as well.

ODU 2018 USA Media Contract-Based Games (Our 2 OOC away games this season @Liberty and @ECU were both on ESPN3)
CBSSN: 1
BeIN Sports: 1
ESPN3: 2
ESPN+: 4
Stadium: 2

ODU 2017 USA Media Contract-Based Games (Our 2 OOC away games this season @UMass and @VT were on NESN and ACCNetwork Extra respectively)
CBSSN: 1
ESPN3: 6
Stadium: 2
CUSAtv: 1

I also looked at Marshall, FAU, and WKU to see what the high water mark might be in the C-USA if ODU became very good. Marshall seems to consistently get around 2-3 games on CBSSN every year, same with FAU when they had Lane Kiffin, and WKU averaged about 1 game on that network a year (I didn't count 2020 cause it was a weird asterisk of a year media deal wise).

So if ODU Football were to leave C-USA for Independence and we got good, we could be leaving 1-3 games on CBSSN on the table, as well as losing the opportunity to compete for a conference championship that would also be a national broadcast. Assuming ODU couldn't convince national broadcasters to televise our home games.
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(01-28-2021 11:46 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  Why couldn't these independent schools plus a couple others from CUSA and/or the SB create their own new conference? I know this has been discussed somewhere, but I can't remember the rules that limit the options for a new conference being created

The issue is with NCAA rules in what kinds of conferences they allow, and autobids.

The easiest and best thing ODU could do, would be to go to the A10, and be in a separate conference for FBS football. The issue here being that the NCAA doesn't allow FBS only conferences, they require that a conference that sponsors FBS football be a full conference that sponsors multiple sports. Now, if ODU could go to the A10 and convince C-USA to not leave for football, that'd be grand, but extremely extremely unlikely. The same goes for the Sunbelt or AAC.

So, why can't ODU and other like-minded institutions just form a brand new east coast based conference that sponsors all sports? The issue here is that this new conference would not be grandfathered into any of the current contracts and Autobids.

- The CFP $70MM payout that goes to the G5 conferences? Those conferences are specifically named in the contract and a new conference would have to be added in once it's up for renegotiation, which would be a political hurdle all it's own.

- The even tougher nut to crack is that this new conference would not have an autobid to the NCAA tournament, and would not get one for at least 7 years (or somewhere near that number). This would be a loss of revenue and a gigantic loss of visibility for the conference and kills the idea all on it's own.

That's why this issue for realignment for ODU has been so difficult, because moving around is extremely difficult, and there doesn't yet seem to be an 'all-win' move for the Monarchs (including the move to do nothing).
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(01-28-2021 11:46 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  Why couldn't these independent schools plus a couple others from CUSA and/or the SB create their own new conference? I know this has been discussed somewhere, but I can't remember the rules that limit the options for a new conference being created

You technically aren't allowed to have a football only conference... hence the scheduling alliance.
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(01-28-2021 12:07 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(01-28-2021 11:46 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  Why couldn't these independent schools plus a couple others from CUSA and/or the SB create their own new conference? I know this has been discussed somewhere, but I can't remember the rules that limit the options for a new conference being created

The issue is with NCAA rules in what kinds of conferences they allow, and autobids.

The easiest and best thing ODU could do, would be to go to the A10, and be in a separate conference for FBS football. The issue here being that the NCAA doesn't allow FBS only conferences, they require that a conference that sponsors FBS football be a full conference that sponsors multiple sports. Now, if ODU could go to the A10 and convince C-USA to not leave for football, that'd be grand, but extremely extremely unlikely. The same goes for the Sunbelt or AAC.

So, why can't ODU and other like-minded institutions just form a brand new east coast based conference that sponsors all sports? The issue here is that this new conference would not be grandfathered into any of the current contracts and Autobids.

- The CFP $70MM payout that goes to the G5 conferences? Those conferences are specifically named in the contract and a new conference would have to be added in once it's up for renegotiation, which would be a political hurdle all it's own.

- The even tougher nut to crack is that this new conference would not have an autobid to the NCAA tournament, and would not get one for at least 7 years (or somewhere near that number). This would be a loss of revenue and a gigantic loss of visibility for the conference and kills the idea all on it's own.

That's why this issue for realignment for ODU has been so difficult, because moving around is extremely difficult, and there doesn't yet seem to be an 'all-win' move for the Monarchs (including the move to do nothing).


Well stated. I think this independent "alliance" is basically a small FBS football only conference work around. Only each team is responsible for negotiating its own media deals and there is no revenue sharing. No reason it couldn't have a championship I guess. Especially if the alliance could get a bowl tie in.

Scheduling wouldn't be too bad with 6 teams in the alliance. If it got too bad, you could do home and home with the other 5 teams. I figure, 1 FCS, 1 P5 buy game, 1 VT/UVA, 1 ECU and 5 "alliance" games. That leaves 3 games per year to schedule. Fill those with G5s. I guess its possible JMU could join the "alliance" as well, and keep their other sports in the CAA.

The benefits of the A10 certainly make it all worthwhile though, if it happens.
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I would be very much in favor of this arrangement. Even more so if JMU would join us. That would be 6 "alliance" games per year, more or less. Schedule Norfolk State and another regional IAA, a couple of G5's and use buy games to pay the bills. Heck, The Alliance (caps make it official!) could even host a "championship" game or a 4 team play-off, if extra games were needed early on.

Football is basically for fun. The Big Guys have effectively made the rest of us irrelevant. This way, we could schedule teams that we actually care about and not have to travel across 47 time zones. Some P5 team is always looking to fill a hole in their schedule. Let's use those as our cash cow. It would probably pay better than CUSA...and it would cost a LOT less in travel.
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We could call the new association the TAINT...The Alliance of Independent Northeast Teams. :)
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(01-29-2021 04:54 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  We could call the new association the TAINT...The Alliance of Independent Northeast Teams. :)

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(01-27-2021 10:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 10:11 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I'd be pretty jealous of you guys if true. A10 hoops would be a dream. But I'd hate to not have a path to the G5 NY6 bowl.


We pretty much have no path anyway, like once in a century.


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So about the same as a second-round win?
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I get why the BB-firsters would like this look. Frankly I keep forgetting how many of you there are.

As a FB-firster, I absolutely hate it. Why spend all the money for a new stadium and coaches just to cast yourself out into the desert? I look forward to *our* home-and-home with NM State in the 2024 season.
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(01-29-2021 06:30 PM)Grommet Wrote:  I get why the BB-firsters would like this look. Frankly I keep forgetting how many of you there are.

As a FB-firster, I absolutely hate it. Why spend all the money for a new stadium and coaches just to cast yourself out into the desert? I look forward to *our* home-and-home with NM State in the 2024 season.

I understand this but I actually think you do not lose anything by going independent. If this turns out to be true, you are playing army and liberty every year. Those are decent games. Playing Connecticut and umass is no different than playing let's say the Florida schools. No one will care. Charlotte you play anyway. Now here where it can be really good. You have 7 games you can schedule yourself. ODU can actually make themselves a very favorable schedule. Imagine what they can come up with and then all of a sudden you become a free agent. I think you can control your destiny by doing your own schedule. BYU seems to have a better schedule now than they did in mountain west. Liberty plays a nice schedule. The bad part you might have to play a lot of 2 for 1 games or schedule more than one fcs school to fill a schedule. I think you will not have any problem with getting in a bowl even though you don't have conference tie ins, because there always seem to be more bowls than teams. Let's see we can have a schedule like maybe
UMASS LIBERTY UCONN ARMY CHARLOTTE VA TECH EAST CAROLINA NORFOLK ST BUFFALO MARSHALL NEW MEXICO ST APPALACHAIN ST

Can you live with something like that? You play 5 different conferences, one western independent a FCS school and your alliance. This can be pretty good if done correctly.

Besides the a10 will be much better financially for ODU if this is true but I'm still hearing sun belt 2.0
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(01-29-2021 09:05 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 06:30 PM)Grommet Wrote:  I get why the BB-firsters would like this look. Frankly I keep forgetting how many of you there are.

As a FB-firster, I absolutely hate it. Why spend all the money for a new stadium and coaches just to cast yourself out into the desert? I look forward to *our* home-and-home with NM State in the 2024 season.

I understand this but I actually think you do not lose anything by going independent. If this turns out to be true, you are playing army and liberty every year. Those are decent games. Playing Connecticut and umass is no different than playing let's say the Florida schools. No one will care. Charlotte you play anyway. Now here where it can be really good. You have 7 games you can schedule yourself. ODU can actually make themselves a very favorable schedule. Imagine what they can come up with and then all of a sudden you become a free agent. I think you can control your destiny by doing your own schedule. BYU seems to have a better schedule now than they did in mountain west. Liberty plays a nice schedule. The bad part you might have to play a lot of 2 for 1 games or schedule more than one fcs school to fill a schedule. I think you will not have any problem with getting in a bowl even though you don't have conference tie ins, because there always seem to be more bowls than teams. Let's see we can have a schedule like maybe
UMASS LIBERTY UCONN ARMY CHARLOTTE VA TECH EAST CAROLINA NORFOLK ST BUFFALO MARSHALL NEW MEXICO ST APPALACHAIN ST

Can you live with something like that? You play 5 different conferences, one western independent a FCS school and your alliance. This can be pretty good if done correctly.

Besides the a10 will be much better financially for ODU if this is true but I'm still hearing sun belt 2.0

Exactly.
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(01-27-2021 10:11 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I'd be pretty jealous of you guys if true. A10 hoops would be a dream. But I'd hate to not have a path to the G5 NY6 bowl.


We pretty much have no path anyway, like once in a century.


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So about the same as a second-round win?


The odds of a second round win are much better than that. Even more so in the A10.


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(01-29-2021 09:05 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 06:30 PM)Grommet Wrote:  I get why the BB-firsters would like this look. Frankly I keep forgetting how many of you there are.

As a FB-firster, I absolutely hate it. Why spend all the money for a new stadium and coaches just to cast yourself out into the desert? I look forward to *our* home-and-home with NM State in the 2024 season.

I understand this but I actually think you do not lose anything by going independent. If this turns out to be true, you are playing army and liberty every year. Those are decent games. Playing Connecticut and umass is no different than playing let's say the Florida schools. No one will care. Charlotte you play anyway. Now here where it can be really good. You have 7 games you can schedule yourself. ODU can actually make themselves a very favorable schedule. Imagine what they can come up with and then all of a sudden you become a free agent. I think you can control your destiny by doing your own schedule. BYU seems to have a better schedule now than they did in mountain west. Liberty plays a nice schedule. The bad part you might have to play a lot of 2 for 1 games or schedule more than one fcs school to fill a schedule. I think you will not have any problem with getting in a bowl even though you don't have conference tie ins, because there always seem to be more bowls than teams. Let's see we can have a schedule like maybe
UMASS LIBERTY UCONN ARMY CHARLOTTE VA TECH EAST CAROLINA NORFOLK ST BUFFALO MARSHALL NEW MEXICO ST APPALACHAIN ST

Can you live with something like that? You play 5 different conferences, one western independent a FCS school and your alliance. This can be pretty good if done correctly.

Besides the a10 will be much better financially for ODU if this is true but I'm still hearing sun belt 2.0


A- How often does the perfect storm scenario in anything play out in anything, especially football scheduling?

B- UMass gets games because they're a doormat. Liberty gets games because they have money. Which scenario is more likely for us?

C- Since when do we think ODU will do things correctly?
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(01-29-2021 10:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 06:26 PM)Grommet Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 10:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 10:11 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I'd be pretty jealous of you guys if true. A10 hoops would be a dream. But I'd hate to not have a path to the G5 NY6 bowl.


We pretty much have no path anyway, like once in a century.


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So about the same as a second-round win?


The odds of a second round win are much better than that. Even more so in the A10.


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1980 First Round UCLA L 74–87
1982 First Round Wake Forest L 57–74
1985 First Round SMU L 68–85
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Second Round Villanova
Tulsa W 89–81 3OT
L 52–65
1997 First Round New Mexico L 55–59
2005 First Round Michigan State L 81–89
2007 First Round Butler L 46–57
2010 First Round
Second Round Notre Dame
Baylor W 51–50
L 68–76
2011 Second Round Butler L 58–60
2019 First Round Purdue L 48–61

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Odu's perfect conference for you guys
(01-30-2021 08:04 AM)Grommet Wrote:  
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(01-29-2021 06:26 PM)Grommet Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 10:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 10:11 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I'd be pretty jealous of you guys if true. A10 hoops would be a dream. But I'd hate to not have a path to the G5 NY6 bowl.


We pretty much have no path anyway, like once in a century.


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So about the same as a second-round win?


The odds of a second round win are much better than that. Even more so in the A10.


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Postseason results

Division I NCAA tournament results
The Monarchs have appeared in 12 Division I NCAA Tournaments. Their combined record is 3–12.

Year Round Opponent Result
1980 First Round UCLA L 74–87
1982 First Round Wake Forest L 57–74
1985 First Round SMU L 68–85
1986 First Round
Second Round West Virginia
Duke W 75–64
L 61–89
1992 First Round Kentucky L 69–88
1995 First Round
Second Round Villanova
Tulsa W 89–81 3OT
L 52–65
1997 First Round New Mexico L 55–59
2005 First Round Michigan State L 81–89
2007 First Round Butler L 46–57
2010 First Round
Second Round Notre Dame
Baylor W 51–50
L 68–76
2011 Second Round Butler L 58–60
2019 First Round Purdue L 48–61

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I get that it hasn’t happened for us. Talking odds. Problem is that even an undefeated season is unlikely to be enough to get a NY6 bowl. Need an undefeated season full of blow outs plus no ranked AAC or Mountain West teams. Believe that worked out for Western Michigan once. Frankly, 1/100 is very generous considering it has happened once or twice in 20 years amid the 3 bottom conferences full of teams. are many examples of mid major basketball teams making the Sweet 16. Happens almost every year even outside the A10 and Gonzaga. The A10 usually gets 2-4 teams in and sometimes multiple teams in the Sweet 16.


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RE: Odu's perfect conference for you guys
around midnight Harry tweeted there is rumor that links ODU (and maybe Charlotte) to A-10. But he said we've been told nothing like that is in the works currently
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