CFB and CBB has made schools millions and conferences billions on any given year and are set to make more in the coming tv deals. Athletics hasn't been about education in a long time. All these kids get is some stipends, money to the back pockets and a sports car to their parents. If this causes programs to shut down water polo and volleyball, who cares. It's really about football bringing in $60m a year. Third party money from endorsements are a start, but they need paid. Najee Harris and Trevor Lawrence should already be millionaires. Pfft at amateur status. If we want to destroy college sports; lets be all-in about this.

No

I agree. These athletes shouldn't even need to go to school or become educated. They need to major in football and basketball, first and foremost. Cut out the school associations.

(01-27-2021 11:16 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  CFB and CBB has made schools millions and conferences billions on any given year and are set to make more in the coming tv deals. Athletics hasn't been about education in a long time. All these kids get is some stipends, money to the back pockets and a sports car to their parents. If this causes programs to shut down water polo and volleyball, who cares. It's really about football bringing in $60m a year. Third party money from endorsements are a start, but they need paid. Najee Harris and Trevor Lawrence should already be millionaires. Pfft at amateur status. If we want to destroy college sports; lets be all-in about this.

Ok, serious question. What schools are making a profit off of football? Just curious.

(01-27-2021 11:29 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I agree. These athletes shouldn't even need to go to school or become educated. They need to major in football and basketball, first and foremost. Cut out the school associations.

Soccer has academies for this very reason. Baseball to some degree has well. Pirates have a few South American facilities. But yup... American college athletics is a sham.

(01-27-2021 11:33 AM)3BNole Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 11:16 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  CFB and CBB has made schools millions and conferences billions on any given year and are set to make more in the coming tv deals. Athletics hasn't been about education in a long time. All these kids get is some stipends, money to the back pockets and a sports car to their parents. If this causes programs to shut down water polo and volleyball, who cares. It's really about football bringing in $60m a year. Third party money from endorsements are a start, but they need paid. Najee Harris and Trevor Lawrence should already be millionaires. Pfft at amateur status. If we want to destroy college sports; lets be all-in about this.

Ok, serious question. What schools are making a profit off of football? Just curious.

No need for serious questions. I get that football funds entire athletic departments. But who cares about rifle, wrestling and other sports?

Should all athletes be paid the same amount? Should all athletes be paid, or just the ones in revenue sports? Should their pay be determined by how much revenue (or profit) their particular school gets from the sport they play?

Relatively few schools actually profit from football and/or basketball, if you consider the way they currently account for revenue and expenses. But for the few who do make more than they really need to run a successful program, they are currently required to find ways to spend that extra cash. Thus, the lavish facilities which in normal accounting wouldn't be treated as expenses but rather investments that would be amortized over their useful life. Or, you could just employ a lot more people. Texas, for example, says that their athletic department employs more than 1100 people. Think about that.

The system is undoubtedly in need of radical reform. But the devil is in the details.

(01-27-2021 11:45 AM)ken d Wrote:  Should all athletes be paid the same amount? Should all athletes be paid, or just the ones in revenue sports? Should their pay be determined by how much revenue (or profit) their particular school gets from the sport they play?

Relatively few schools actually profit from football and/or basketball, if you consider the way they currently account for revenue and expenses. But for the few who do make more than they really need to run a successful program, they are currently required to find ways to spend that extra cash. Thus, the lavish facilities which in normal accounting wouldn't be treated as expenses but rather investments that would be amortized over their useful life. Or, you could just employ a lot more people. Texas, for example, says that their athletic department employs more than 1100 people. Think about that.

The system is undoubtedly in need of radical reform. But the devil is in the details.

Most athletic departments somehow manage to operate in the red. Mufuggin mindblowing.

(01-27-2021 11:45 AM)ken d Wrote:  Should all athletes be paid the same amount?

Not necessarily - see the next two answers.

Quote:Should all athletes be paid, or just the ones in revenue sports?

Just the revenue sports - gotta control costs.

Quote:Should their pay be determined by how much revenue (or profit) their particular school gets from the sport they play?

No. It should either be (a) pure open market/highest bidder, or (b) fixed amount for all players in that sport. I'm afraid choice (a) is a rabbit hole that results in the total destruction of college sports, however, so I'd prefer (b) - I don't care if it sounds socialist.

Quote:The system is undoubtedly in need of radical reform. But the devil is in the details.

AGREED... and "that's not the only place he is..."

(01-27-2021 11:54 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 11:45 AM)ken d Wrote:  Should all athletes be paid the same amount?

Not necessarily - see the next two answers.

Quote:Should all athletes be paid, or just the ones in revenue sports?

Just the revenue sports - gotta control costs.

Quote:Should their pay be determined by how much revenue (or profit) their particular school gets from the sport they play?

No. It should either be (a) pure open market/highest bidder, or (b) fixed amount for all players in that sport. I'm afraid choice (a) is a rabbit hole that results in the total destruction of college sports, however, so I'd prefer (b) - I don't care if it sounds socialist.

Quote:The system is undoubtedly in need of radical reform. But the devil is in the details.

AGREED... and "that's not the only place he is..."

Burn it down

(01-27-2021 11:54 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 11:45 AM)ken d Wrote:  Should all athletes be paid the same amount?

Not necessarily - see the next two answers.

Quote:Should all athletes be paid, or just the ones in revenue sports?

Just the revenue sports - gotta control costs.

Quote:Should their pay be determined by how much revenue (or profit) their particular school gets from the sport they play?

No. It should either be (a) pure open market/highest bidder, or (b) fixed amount for all players in that sport. I'm afraid choice (a) is a rabbit hole that results in the total destruction of college sports, however, so I'd prefer (b) - I don't care if it sounds socialist.

Quote:The system is undoubtedly in need of radical reform. But the devil is in the details.

AGREED... and "that's not the only place he is..."

In what other enterprise does the entry level guy in the mail room get paid as much as the supervisor? If there is going to be an equal pay system, then it would have to be one in which everyone is paid minimum wage.

I think the system works just fine.

Even at powerhouses like Alabama, the majority of players will never play a down of professional football. Not even CFL or arena football. CFL minimum salary is $54,000, so this means the vast majority of P5 players are worth less than that. Yet they're earning almost that much in the form of tuition, room & board.

Sure, the superstars are underpaid. But so what? For over 95% of players it works a lot better than any realistic alternative.

Why would we change the whole system just to benefit a few superstars when it would probably hurt most of the other players? Most of those superstars become multimillionaires in the NFL anyways. It doesn't really bother me too much that Trevor Lawrence will make only $100 million in his football career instead of the $120 million he would have earned if Clemson had paid him what he's worth.

(01-27-2021 12:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I think the system works just fine.

Even at powerhouses like Alabama, the majority of players will never play a down of professional football. Not even CFL or arena football. CFL minimum salary is $54,000, so this means the vast majority of P5 players are worth less than that. Yet they're earning almost that much in the form of tuition, room & board.

Sure, the superstars are underpaid. But so what? For over 95% of players it works a lot better than any realistic alternative.

Why would we change the whole system just to benefit a few superstars when it would probably hurt most of the other players? Most of those superstars become multimillionaires in the NFL anyways. It doesn't really bother me too much that Trevor Lawrence will make only $100 million in his football career instead of the $120 million he would have earned if Clemson had paid him what he's worth.

Yep.

It's not the NCAA's responsibility to create a place for elite high school football and basketball players to make money until they're old enough for the draft.

(01-27-2021 12:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I think the system works just fine.

Even at powerhouses like Alabama, the majority of players will never play a down of professional football. Not even CFL or arena football. CFL minimum salary is $54,000, so this means the vast majority of P5 players are worth less than that. Yet they're earning almost that much in the form of tuition, room & board.

Sure, the superstars are underpaid. But so what? For over 95% of players it works a lot better than any realistic alternative.

Why would we change the whole system just to benefit a few superstars when it would probably hurt most of the other players? Most of those superstars become multimillionaires in the NFL anyways. It doesn't really bother me too much that Trevor Lawrence will make only $100 million in his football career instead of the $120 million he would have earned if Clemson had paid him what he's worth.

Does a Leisure Studies degree from the University of Alabama carry $54,000 in value?

(01-27-2021 12:18 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 12:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I think the system works just fine.

Even at powerhouses like Alabama, the majority of players will never play a down of professional football. Not even CFL or arena football. CFL minimum salary is $54,000, so this means the vast majority of P5 players are worth less than that. Yet they're earning almost that much in the form of tuition, room & board.

Sure, the superstars are underpaid. But so what? For over 95% of players it works a lot better than any realistic alternative.

Why would we change the whole system just to benefit a few superstars when it would probably hurt most of the other players? Most of those superstars become multimillionaires in the NFL anyways. It doesn't really bother me too much that Trevor Lawrence will make only $100 million in his football career instead of the $120 million he would have earned if Clemson had paid him what he's worth.

Yep.

Right on the money.

(01-27-2021 12:30 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  It's not the NCAA's responsibility to create a place for elite high school football and basketball players to make money until they're old enough for the draft.

Thank you! This is exactly right. The last time I checked, a free college education and now a stipend to cover additional expenses incurred while a student is a pretty nice deal.

If the super stars have a gripe with the system they need to blame the pro leagues as they are the ones that require players to sit a year or more before being draft eligible.

This new NIL stuff will give the big name players a chance to make some more money but these deals are as independent contractors—not through the schools. Schools don’t need to paying salaries to athletes.

I thought money in a McDonalds bag was a good enough payment......

(01-27-2021 12:50 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 12:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I think the system works just fine.

Even at powerhouses like Alabama, the majority of players will never play a down of professional football. Not even CFL or arena football. CFL minimum salary is $54,000, so this means the vast majority of P5 players are worth less than that. Yet they're earning almost that much in the form of tuition, room & board.

Sure, the superstars are underpaid. But so what? For over 95% of players it works a lot better than any realistic alternative.

Why would we change the whole system just to benefit a few superstars when it would probably hurt most of the other players? Most of those superstars become multimillionaires in the NFL anyways. It doesn't really bother me too much that Trevor Lawrence will make only $100 million in his football career instead of the $120 million he would have earned if Clemson had paid him what he's worth.

Does a Leisure Studies degree from the University of Alabama carry $54,000 in value?

When you include room & board and COA stipend it's probably not too far off the out of state cost. Return on that investment is a different story.

(01-27-2021 11:16 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  CFB and CBB has made schools millions and conferences billions on any given year and are set to make more in the coming tv deals. Athletics hasn't been about education in a long time. All these kids get is some stipends, money to the back pockets and a sports car to their parents. If this causes programs to shut down water polo and volleyball, who cares. It's really about football bringing in $60m a year. Third party money from endorsements are a start, but they need paid. Najee Harris and Trevor Lawrence should already be millionaires. Pfft at amateur status. If we want to destroy college sports; lets be all-in about this.

High school football players should be paid as well. Why should the coaches, administrators, district officials, and refs be the only one making money off this clear exploitation of child labor?