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If Woodie keeps going, he could set a new record by keeping JJ 12 years! Beating Wilder's 11

What is your point, Wood didn't hire Bobby.

(01-25-2021 07:00 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  What is your point, Wood didn't hire Bobby.

Yep. Can’t fix close minded people.

(01-25-2021 07:00 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  What is your point, Wood didn't hire Bobby.

Yes but he didn't have the good sense to get rid of him until the damage was total.

Is this a new fire BW/JJ/Wood thread...look kids....Big Ben....Parliament. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

(01-25-2021 11:51 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 07:00 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  What is your point, Wood didn't hire Bobby.

Yes but he didn't have the good sense to get rid of him until the damage was total.

lol the majority of this board was fully on board with BW’s extension... Very few objected......


My how people seem to forget

(01-26-2021 11:41 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 11:51 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 07:00 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  What is your point, Wood didn't hire Bobby.

Yes but he didn't have the good sense to get rid of him until the damage was total.

lol the majority of this board was fully on board with BW’s extension... Very few objected......


My how people seem to forget

I wasn't.

I was on board with BWs extension. Only problem with it was its length of extension was too long (and he evidently had one foot out the door anyway). I still cant believe we extended JJs contract. Thats the one that doesnt make any sense to me.

(01-26-2021 01:52 PM)monarx Wrote:  I was on board with BWs extension. Only problem with it was its length of extension was too long (and he evidently had one foot out the door anyway). I still cant believe we extended JJs contract. Thats the one that doesnt make any sense to me.

It's a Catch 22. You either extend a contract long enough for him to recruit, or you hamstring him.

Yep. You can't really let contracts get below 4 years because kids will question (opposing coaches will help them question) whether or not the coach recruiting you will actually be there for your entire career.

(01-27-2021 10:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Yep. You can't really let contracts get below 4 years because kids will question (opposing coaches will help them question) whether or not the coach recruiting you will actually be there for your entire career.

So what do you do in a situation like with Jeff Jones, where its obvious he needs to go? Supposedly we don't want to buy out 4 years of him doing nothing, so we keep him around a few more years. But if we don't extend his contract it makes things even worse. Talk about being over a barrel.

(01-27-2021 02:53 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 10:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Yep. You can't really let contracts get below 4 years because kids will question (opposing coaches will help them question) whether or not the coach recruiting you will actually be there for your entire career.

So what do you do in a situation like with Jeff Jones, where its obvious he needs to go? Supposedly we don't want to buy out 4 years of him doing nothing, so we keep him around a few more years. But if we don't extend his contract it makes things even worse. Talk about being over a barrel.

That is why the best scenario, even though it costs buyout money, is to cut the cord immediately.

(01-26-2021 08:28 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-26-2021 01:52 PM)monarx Wrote:  I was on board with BWs extension. Only problem with it was its length of extension was too long (and he evidently had one foot out the door anyway). I still cant believe we extended JJs contract. Thats the one that doesnt make any sense to me.

It's a Catch 22. You either extend a contract long enough for him to recruit, or you hamstring him.

I was in the camp of agreeing with this idea about a couple of years ago. However, everything I've gathered, including with speaking with current D1 university admins & coaches, extending a coach's contract to prevent "hamstringing" them hasn't shown effective. With the current status of transfer rules, players have options to stay/leave at whim, so the long term play no longer exists. Yes, on paper, committing to a school where the coach is "secure" sounds nice, but the current data doesn't support that it's a significant factor in where people sign or not.

(01-27-2021 10:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Yep. You can't really let contracts get below 4 years because kids will question (opposing coaches will help them question) whether or not the coach recruiting you will actually be there for your entire career.

Jones can't/won't recruit. Given that, the length of his contract is moot.

I didn't know he had cataracts.

(01-27-2021 02:53 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 10:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Yep. You can't really let contracts get below 4 years because kids will question (opposing coaches will help them question) whether or not the coach recruiting you will actually be there for your entire career.

So what do you do in a situation like with Jeff Jones, where its obvious he needs to go? Supposedly we don't want to buy out 4 years of him doing nothing, so we keep him around a few more years. But if we don't extend his contract it makes things even worse. Talk about being over a barrel.

If you are committed to your program, you extend him or fire him before he gets inside 3-4 years.

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(01-27-2021 04:38 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-26-2021 08:28 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-26-2021 01:52 PM)monarx Wrote:  I was on board with BWs extension. Only problem with it was its length of extension was too long (and he evidently had one foot out the door anyway). I still cant believe we extended JJs contract. Thats the one that doesnt make any sense to me.

It's a Catch 22. You either extend a contract long enough for him to recruit, or you hamstring him.

I was in the camp of agreeing with this idea about a couple of years ago. However, everything I've gathered, including with speaking with current D1 university admins & coaches, extending a coach's contract to prevent "hamstringing" them hasn't shown effective. With the current status of transfer rules, players have options to stay/leave at whim, so the long term play no longer exists. Yes, on paper, committing to a school where the coach is "secure" sounds nice, but the current data doesn't support that it's a significant factor in where people sign or not.

Marshall just let Docs contract run out and they didn't have a problem recruiting for the last 3 years. I agree that it may have been a factor years ago but not as much anymore.

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(01-27-2021 06:38 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 02:53 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 10:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Yep. You can't really let contracts get below 4 years because kids will question (opposing coaches will help them question) whether or not the coach recruiting you will actually be there for your entire career.

So what do you do in a situation like with Jeff Jones, where its obvious he needs to go? Supposedly we don't want to buy out 4 years of him doing nothing, so we keep him around a few more years. But if we don't extend his contract it makes things even worse. Talk about being over a barrel.

If you are committed to your program, you extend him or fire him before he gets inside 3-4 years.

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I'm no expert but that seems excessive. The contract for both Rahne and Jones are only 5 years. Do you need to resign every other year? You hardly ever hear of a contract running out so there's something to it but I think >2 years is probably OK.

(01-28-2021 01:56 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 06:38 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 02:53 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 10:04 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Yep. You can't really let contracts get below 4 years because kids will question (opposing coaches will help them question) whether or not the coach recruiting you will actually be there for your entire career.

So what do you do in a situation like with Jeff Jones, where its obvious he needs to go? Supposedly we don't want to buy out 4 years of him doing nothing, so we keep him around a few more years. But if we don't extend his contract it makes things even worse. Talk about being over a barrel.

If you are committed to your program, you extend him or fire him before he gets inside 3-4 years.

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I'm no expert but that seems excessive. The contract for both Rahne and Jones are only 5 years. Do you need to resign every other year? You hardly ever hear of a contract running out so there's something to it but I think >2 years is probably OK.

That's probably fair. I thought JJ had a contract that rolled over every year to keep it at 4 or 5, but seems that is no longer the case, if it ever was.

Awkward deflection, but nice try. Not.

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