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MyBB "Rankings" thread for the season
Wish I had started this at start of season but better late than never.

1/22/21, after the win over Wichita State:
KenPom #64 - not sure, but memory says we moved up about 7 spots (Offense #151, Defense #6)
NET #91, up 21 spots
Sagarin #63

1/25, after the ECU win:
KenPom #57, up 7 spots from last game (Offense #142, Defense #4)
NET #71, up 20 spots
BPI #59, up 11 spots
Sagarin #59, up 4 spots

1/27, after the SMU win:
KenPom #59, down 2 (Offense #140, Defense #4) [weird]
NET #68, up 3
BPI #59, no change
Sagarin #58, up 1

1/29, after the SMU loss:
KenPom #57, up 2 (Offense #140, Defense #4)
NET #68, no change
BPI #61, down 2
Sagarin #58, no change

2/2, after the UCF win:
KenPom #50, up 7. Offense #133, Defense #4. Second in AAC.
NET #62, up 6. Third in AAC.
BPI #53, up 8. Third in AAC.
Sagarin #55, up 3. Second in AAC.

2/4, after the UCF win:
KenPom #47, up 3. Offense #130, Defense #4. Second in AAC.
NET #60, up 2. Third in AAC.
BPI #52, up 1. Second in AAC.
Sagarin #53, up 2. Second in AAC.

2/8, after the ECU win:
KenPom #50, down 3. Offense #143, Defense #4. 2nd in AAC.
NET #61, down 1. 3rd in AAC.
BPI #52, no change. 2nd in AAC.
Sagarin #52, up 1. 2nd in AAC.

2/12, after the Cincy postponement:
KenPom #49, up 1. Offense #142, Defense #4. 2nd in AAC.
NET #60, up 1. 3rd in AAC.
BPI #55, down 3. 3rd in AAC.
Sagarin #52, no change. 3rd in AAC.

2/16, after the Houston postponement:
KenPom #49, no change. Offense #143, Defense #6. 2nd in AAC, 4 positions ahead of SMU.
NET #63, down 3. 3rd in AAC, 5 behind SMU.
BPI #54, up 1. 3rd in AAC, 6 behind SMU.
Sagarin #54, down 2. 3rd in AAC, 2 behind SMU.

2/19, after Wichita's win over Houston:
KenPom #47, up 2. Offense #144, Defense #4. 2nd in AAC, 7 ahead of SMU.
NET #63, no change. 3rd in AAC, 4 behind SMU.
BPI #54, no change. 3rd in AAC, 7 behind SMU.
Sagarin #50, up . 3rd in AAC, 2 behind SMU.

2/25, after win over Tulane:
KenPom #45, up 2. Offense #165, Defense #2. 2nd in AAC, 7 ahead of SMU.
NET #62, up 1. 3rd in AAC, 2 behind SMU.
BPI #55, down 1. 3rd in AAC, 6 behind SMU.
Sagarin #50, no change. 2nd in AAC, 1 ahead of SMU.

UPDATED 3/1, after win over Cincy:
KenPom #47, down 2. Offense #152, Defense #2. SMU #49. Wichita #74.
NET #60, up 2. SMU #55. Wichita #66.
BPI #56, down 1. SMU #48. Wichita #99.
Sagarin #48, up 2. SMU #53. Wichita #66.
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
If they could just have a top 90 offense they would likely only have 1 loss.
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
(01-22-2021 09:47 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  If they could just have a top 90 offense they would likely only have 1 loss.

Or even top 3
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
Looking at Kenpom...

2 bids look like a stretch for this conference.
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
(01-22-2021 10:45 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Looking at Kenpom...

2 bids look like a stretch for this conference.

Yep unless someone other than UH wins the tourney, the AAC is a one bid league unless the committee has a consensus opinion that the AAC subjectively should have another bid (subjective consideration being used regularly for other conferences in the past). That's what happens when you don't schedule, play & win some high level OOC games, notwithstanding the circumstances created by the pandemic.
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
(01-23-2021 08:32 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 10:45 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Looking at Kenpom...

2 bids look like a stretch for this conference.

Yep unless someone other than UH wins the tourney, the AAC is a one bid league unless the committee has a consensus opinion that the AAC subjectively should have another bid (subjective consideration being used regularly for other conferences in the past). That's what happens when you don't schedule, play & win some high level OOC games, notwithstanding the circumstances created by the pandemic.

Agree. I keep saying this on the AAC board, and keep getting pushback. Unless somebody not named Houston starts winning every game besides Houston, we are definitely a one bid league, minus an upset in the conference tourney.
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
Speaking of rankings, AP top 25 is based on a variable amount of games.
9 teams have played 15; one has played 8

https://www.google.com/search?q=bb+ranki...;rn;fp;1;;
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
(01-23-2021 09:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 08:32 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 10:45 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Looking at Kenpom...

2 bids look like a stretch for this conference.

Yep unless someone other than UH wins the tourney, the AAC is a one bid league unless the committee has a consensus opinion that the AAC subjectively should have another bid (subjective consideration being used regularly for other conferences in the past). That's what happens when you don't schedule, play & win some high level OOC games, notwithstanding the circumstances created by the pandemic.

Agree. I keep saying this on the AAC board, and keep getting pushback. Unless somebody not named Houston starts winning every game besides Houston, we are definitely a one bid league, minus an upset in the conference tourney.

Yep, becoming more likely everyday unless one of the top 3-4 can beat UH regular season (at least once) & everybody else, then make it to the conference tourney final..... OR win the conference tourney.
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
(01-24-2021 01:47 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 09:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 08:32 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 10:45 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Looking at Kenpom...

2 bids look like a stretch for this conference.

Yep unless someone other than UH wins the tourney, the AAC is a one bid league unless the committee has a consensus opinion that the AAC subjectively should have another bid (subjective consideration being used regularly for other conferences in the past). That's what happens when you don't schedule, play & win some high level OOC games, notwithstanding the circumstances created by the pandemic.

Agree. I keep saying this on the AAC board, and keep getting pushback. Unless somebody not named Houston starts winning every game besides Houston, we are definitely a one bid league, minus an upset in the conference tourney.

Yep, becoming more likely everyday unless one of the top 3-4 can beat UH regular season (at least once) & everybody else, then make it to the conference tourney final..... OR win the conference tourney.

Winning the trny goes without saying
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
(01-23-2021 09:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 08:32 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 10:45 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Looking at Kenpom...

2 bids look like a stretch for this conference.

Yep unless someone other than UH wins the tourney, the AAC is a one bid league unless the committee has a consensus opinion that the AAC subjectively should have another bid (subjective consideration being used regularly for other conferences in the past). That's what happens when you don't schedule, play & win some high level OOC games, notwithstanding the circumstances created by the pandemic.

Agree. I keep saying this on the AAC board, and keep getting pushback. Unless somebody not named Houston starts winning every game besides Houston, we are definitely a one bid league, minus an upset in the conference tourney.

I disagree. We get these type of posts almost every year, at some point. And it literally never happens. Because they have to get 68 teams from somewhere. The AAC is going to have at least 2 of those slots every year.

And this year, some of the normal metrics will be thrown out due to the weird OOC scheduling distorting the SOS metrics. The committee will be able to slot teams from conferences that skew historical norms. I guess this could work against the AAC. But I'm thinking, they have to have 68 so we will get our 2 - no matter the NET or BPI scores on the second.
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
1/25, after the ECU win:

KenPom #57, up 7 spots from last game (Offense #142, Defense #4)
NET #71, up 20 spots
BPI #59, up 11 spots
Sagarin #59, up 4 spots
RPI #93, up 30 spots
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
(01-25-2021 11:11 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  1/25, after the ECU win:

KenPom #57, up 7 spots from last game (Offense #142, Defense #4)
NET #71, up 20 spots
BPI #59, up 11 spots
Sagarin #59, up 4 spots
RPI #93, up 30 spots

Am I the only one that is shocked we moved up 20 spots on the NET after a win against ECU?
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wonder what happens if we beat better teams this week
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
(01-25-2021 11:39 AM)ballhog Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 11:11 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  1/25, after the ECU win:

KenPom #57, up 7 spots from last game (Offense #142, Defense #4)
NET #71, up 20 spots
BPI #59, up 11 spots
Sagarin #59, up 4 spots
RPI #93, up 30 spots

Am I the only one that is shocked we moved up 20 spots on the NET after a win against ECU?

Not really

Not that many games played is one factor...

Secondly the Net cares about margin of victory and efficiency....

And we won by a lot and were very good on both sides of the ball...Plus it was on the road.
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
(01-25-2021 05:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 11:39 AM)ballhog Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 11:11 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  1/25, after the ECU win:

KenPom #57, up 7 spots from last game (Offense #142, Defense #4)
NET #71, up 20 spots
BPI #59, up 11 spots
Sagarin #59, up 4 spots
RPI #93, up 30 spots

Am I the only one that is shocked we moved up 20 spots on the NET after a win against ECU?

Not really

Not that many games played is one factor...

Secondly the Net cares about margin of victory and efficiency....

And we won by a lot and were very good on both sides of the ball...Plus it was on the road.

Scoring margin is not longer used.
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
(01-25-2021 11:39 AM)ballhog Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 11:11 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  1/25, after the ECU win:

KenPom #57, up 7 spots from last game (Offense #142, Defense #4)
NET #71, up 20 spots
BPI #59, up 11 spots
Sagarin #59, up 4 spots
RPI #93, up 30 spots

Am I the only one that is shocked we moved up 20 spots on the NET after a win against ECU?

The advanced algorithm sites - KenPom, BPI, Sagarin - are very similar in their rankings.

The RPI is an obsolete mess, and I'm going to remove it from these updates going forward. They don't even use it any longer.

The NET is almost a hybrid of the RPI and the advanced algorithms. While it uses some efficiency scores in the rankings, it still relies HEAVILY on SOS.

Since the NET ranking for Memphis seems to be an outlier, and since this year's SOS is a mess due to COVID-OOC scheduling, I expect some big moves with this as it normalizes.

That's my long answer. Short answer - yeah it seems weird after beating lowly ECU, and doesn't really instill confidence in the NET.
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RE: "Rankings" thread for the season
(01-25-2021 06:05 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 05:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 11:39 AM)ballhog Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 11:11 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  1/25, after the ECU win:

KenPom #57, up 7 spots from last game (Offense #142, Defense #4)
NET #71, up 20 spots
BPI #59, up 11 spots
Sagarin #59, up 4 spots
RPI #93, up 30 spots

Am I the only one that is shocked we moved up 20 spots on the NET after a win against ECU?

Not really

Not that many games played is one factor...

Secondly the Net cares about margin of victory and efficiency....

And we won by a lot and were very good on both sides of the ball...Plus it was on the road.

Scoring margin is not longer used.

Yeah, they took it out this year. Now it's just SOS and some form of an efficiency ranking.
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will this be updated?
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(01-24-2021 09:51 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 09:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 08:32 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 10:45 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Looking at Kenpom...

2 bids look like a stretch for this conference.

Yep unless someone other than UH wins the tourney, the AAC is a one bid league unless the committee has a consensus opinion that the AAC subjectively should have another bid (subjective consideration being used regularly for other conferences in the past). That's what happens when you don't schedule, play & win some high level OOC games, notwithstanding the circumstances created by the pandemic.

Agree. I keep saying this on the AAC board, and keep getting pushback. Unless somebody not named Houston starts winning every game besides Houston, we are definitely a one bid league, minus an upset in the conference tourney.

I disagree. We get these type of posts almost every year, at some point. And it literally never happens. Because they have to get 68 teams from somewhere. The AAC is going to have at least 2 of those slots every year.

And this year, some of the normal metrics will be thrown out due to the weird OOC scheduling distorting the SOS metrics. The committee will be able to slot teams from conferences that skew historical norms. I guess this could work against the AAC. But I'm thinking, they have to have 68 so we will get our 2 - no matter the NET or BPI scores on the second.

Yep. Agree. It will be a different selection process this year.
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