(01-19-2021 12:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote: Eh, nice and all, but a frosh top 50 type player isn't generally a huge impact players as a frosh, much less without any summer/fall practice.
More importantly, how many more 6-6 wing players does Memphis need right now?
He can play point guard. He is eligible immediately. Saying these things, I doubt he plays much for now and he may never play point here.
No he isn't.
At all.
Yes. He can definitely play the point.
According to whom? Brooks?
Every listing of the dude is as a wing, forward, or combo guard. Described as "well built" and "tough." There is not any mention about his being able to play point.
Here is a highlight video that consists of about 90% dunks and 10% threes. Not shown at all are any plays from the point where he's doing any driving and dishing or making any incredible passes.
That is part of Memphis' problem. We have a bunch of ball handlers that Penny considers able to run the offense. But just being able to dribble proficiently doesn't make one a point.
Looks like a slightly smaller but slightly more athletic version of DJ that prefers going right instead of preferring to go left like DJ does.
Nothing wrong with that at all and we need players like him but he is not the answer to our PG problems.
(01-19-2021 12:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote: Eh, nice and all, but a frosh top 50 type player isn't generally a huge impact players as a frosh, much less without any summer/fall practice.
More importantly, how many more 6-6 wing players does Memphis need right now?
He’s a point guard.
No he isn't.
At all.
Can he beat his man off the dribble...
If he can do that then he is a plus...But we shouldn't expect him to be like the new Auburn PG.
(This post was last modified: 01-19-2021 03:09 PM by macgar32.)
(01-19-2021 02:59 PM)danny1 Wrote: I was talking to a buddy of mine yesterday. We are both in our late 50's and can still swish free throws at a clip greater than 60%. How can you have a division 1 basketball team that cannot hit better than 60% from the line? Don't get me wrong. I love and support our team, but how can they be so bad from the line?
As previously pointed out, there are a lot of problems with fundamentals.
I listened to a really interesting segment on NBA radio about this, specifically in regards to the Greek Freak (not going to even try to spell his name)...
Anyways, the basis was the extremely high intensity he plays with throughout the game. In essence, the host (a former NBA player) was saying that at the free throw line these guys have to learn to relax and focus and dial down the intensity of the game for those shots. It was his opinion that many players struggle with free throws because they lack the focus or ability to dial down the intensity of the game for free throws, not because of poor form or inability to shoot them in practice or even a lack of practice.
(01-19-2021 02:59 PM)danny1 Wrote: I was talking to a buddy of mine yesterday. We are both in our late 50's and can still swish free throws at a clip greater than 60%. How can you have a division 1 basketball team that cannot hit better than 60% from the line? Don't get me wrong. I love and support our team, but how can they be so bad from the line?
As previously pointed out, there are a lot of problems with fundamentals.
I listened to a really interesting segment on NBA radio about this, specifically in regards to the Greek Freak (not going to even try to spell his name)...
Anyways, the basis was the extremely high intensity he plays with throughout the game. In essence, the host (a former NBA player) was saying that at the free throw line these guys have to learn to relax and focus and dial down the intensity of the game for those shots. It was his opinion that many players struggle with free throws because they lack the focus or ability to dial down the intensity of the game for free throws, not because of poor form or inability to shoot them in practice or even a lack of practice.
That doesn't make any sense. The past four seasons all rank in the top 7 in NBA history for average season FT%.
(01-19-2021 12:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote: Eh, nice and all, but a frosh top 50 type player isn't generally a huge impact players as a frosh, much less without any summer/fall practice.
More importantly, how many more 6-6 wing players does Memphis need right now?
He can play point guard. He is eligible immediately. Saying these things, I doubt he plays much for now and he may never play point here.
No he isn't.
At all.
Yes. He can definitely play the point.
According to whom? Brooks?
Every listing of the dude is as a wing, forward, or combo guard. Described as "well built" and "tough." There is not any mention about his being able to play point.
Here is a highlight video that consists of about 90% dunks and 10% threes. Not shown at all are any plays from the point where he's doing any driving and dishing or making any incredible passes.
That is part of Memphis' problem. We have a bunch of ball handlers that Penny considers able to run the offense. But just being able to dribble proficiently doesn't make one a point.
Penny's offense right now does not require a typical PG...He needs a someone that can win his one on one off the dribble...If that means winning and scoring or winning and dishing it doesn't matter.
But right now we essentially have a bunch of role players who need to be setup outside of Deandre who appears to be able to score over defense. Anyone else who is guarded struggles mightily.
(This post was last modified: 01-19-2021 03:22 PM by macgar32.)
(01-19-2021 12:37 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote: He can play point guard. He is eligible immediately. Saying these things, I doubt he plays much for now and he may never play point here.
No he isn't.
At all.
Yes. He can definitely play the point.
According to whom? Brooks?
Every listing of the dude is as a wing, forward, or combo guard. Described as "well built" and "tough." There is not any mention about his being able to play point.
Here is a highlight video that consists of about 90% dunks and 10% threes. Not shown at all are any plays from the point where he's doing any driving and dishing or making any incredible passes.
That is part of Memphis' problem. We have a bunch of ball handlers that Penny considers able to run the offense. But just being able to dribble proficiently doesn't make one a point.
Penny's offense right now does not require a typical PG...He needs a someone that can win his one on one off the dribble...If that means winning and scoring or winning and dishing it doesn't matter.
But right now we essentially have a bunch of role players who need to be setup outside of Deandre who appears to be able to score over defense. Anyone else who is guarded struggles mightily.
Perhaps, but if the guy can't pass, defenses will just collapse or double. Frosh Will Barton would be horrible for this team. Senior Jeremiah Martin would be incredible.
Junior/Senior Joe Jackson would be great. Frankly, ANTONIO Barton would be an asset on this team.
Heck, I would prefer adding Willie Kemp over Elliot Williams for THIS roster right now.
(01-19-2021 02:59 PM)danny1 Wrote: I was talking to a buddy of mine yesterday. We are both in our late 50's and can still swish free throws at a clip greater than 60%. How can you have a division 1 basketball team that cannot hit better than 60% from the line? Don't get me wrong. I love and support our team, but how can they be so bad from the line?
As previously pointed out, there are a lot of problems with fundamentals.
I listened to a really interesting segment on NBA radio about this, specifically in regards to the Greek Freak (not going to even try to spell his name)...
Anyways, the basis was the extremely high intensity he plays with throughout the game. In essence, the host (a former NBA player) was saying that at the free throw line these guys have to learn to relax and focus and dial down the intensity of the game for those shots. It was his opinion that many players struggle with free throws because they lack the focus or ability to dial down the intensity of the game for free throws, not because of poor form or inability to shoot them in practice or even a lack of practice.
That doesn't make any sense. The past four seasons all rank in the top 7 in NBA history for average season FT%.
The conversation was not about the NBA at large but rather why specific players (especially some high level player like Giannis) struggle at the free throw line.
(This post was last modified: 01-19-2021 03:38 PM by SeñorTiger.)
(01-19-2021 02:59 PM)danny1 Wrote: I was talking to a buddy of mine yesterday. We are both in our late 50's and can still swish free throws at a clip greater than 60%. How can you have a division 1 basketball team that cannot hit better than 60% from the line? Don't get me wrong. I love and support our team, but how can they be so bad from the line?
As previously pointed out, there are a lot of problems with fundamentals.
I listened to a really interesting segment on NBA radio about this, specifically in regards to the Greek Freak (not going to even try to spell his name)...
Anyways, the basis was the extremely high intensity he plays with throughout the game. In essence, the host (a former NBA player) was saying that at the free throw line these guys have to learn to relax and focus and dial down the intensity of the game for those shots. It was his opinion that many players struggle with free throws because they lack the focus or ability to dial down the intensity of the game for free throws, not because of poor form or inability to shoot them in practice or even a lack of practice.
That doesn't make any sense. The past four seasons all rank in the top 7 in NBA history for average season FT%.
The conversation was not about the NBA at large but rather why specific players (especially some high level player like Giannis) struggle at the free throw line.
Because he dunks a lot. Not a good 3pt shooter. Doesn't have to shoot 15 footers very often.
Plus, tall dudes generally are worse at shooting FT's. Right now he is shooting poorly along with Steven Adams, Andre Drummond, Rudy Gobert, and (gulp) Precious as some of the worst FT shooters in the league.
Every listing of the dude is as a wing, forward, or combo guard. Described as "well built" and "tough." There is not any mention about his being able to play point.
Here is a highlight video that consists of about 90% dunks and 10% threes. Not shown at all are any plays from the point where he's doing any driving and dishing or making any incredible passes.
That is part of Memphis' problem. We have a bunch of ball handlers that Penny considers able to run the offense. But just being able to dribble proficiently doesn't make one a point.
You can learn a lot more about a player by watching full games, not highlight reels. You get a much better feel for their bball IQ, decision making, etc. There are quite a few of his full games on youtube if you have some spare time. Reminds me of Tyreke a little. I think PG is feasible.
Tyreke was an ELITE high school player (top 5) not top 60. One year later he was NBA Rookie of the Year. He was gifted with skills only three or four Tigers ever possessed.
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just making a comparison. Nobody said he's better or as good as Tyreke. He grabs rebounds and goes coast to coast similar to Tyreke. Similar size at 6'6". Geez.
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Every listing of the dude is as a wing, forward, or combo guard. Described as "well built" and "tough." There is not any mention about his being able to play point.
Here is a highlight video that consists of about 90% dunks and 10% threes. Not shown at all are any plays from the point where he's doing any driving and dishing or making any incredible passes.
That is part of Memphis' problem. We have a bunch of ball handlers that Penny considers able to run the offense. But just being able to dribble proficiently doesn't make one a point.
You can learn a lot more about a player by watching full games, not highlight reels. You get a much better feel for their bball IQ, decision making, etc. There are quite a few of his full games on youtube if you have some spare time. Reminds me of Tyreke a little. I think PG is feasible.
Tyreke was an ELITE high school player (top 5) not top 60. One year later he was NBA Rookie of the Year. He was gifted with skills only three or four Tigers ever possessed.
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just making a comparison. Nobody said he's better or as good as Tyreke. He grabs rebounds and goes coast to coast similar to Tyreke. Similar size at 6'6". Geez.
Well, that's not a comparison, then. Geez.
I was also simply pointing out that the comparison isn't fair to Nesbit because Tyreke was other worldly.
The skillset of a top 60 recruit vs. that of a guy who would have been a top 10 NBA draft pick out of high school isn't fair.
(01-19-2021 02:37 PM)salukiblue Wrote: Yes. He can definitely play the point.
According to whom? Brooks?
Every listing of the dude is as a wing, forward, or combo guard. Described as "well built" and "tough." There is not any mention about his being able to play point.
Here is a highlight video that consists of about 90% dunks and 10% threes. Not shown at all are any plays from the point where he's doing any driving and dishing or making any incredible passes.
That is part of Memphis' problem. We have a bunch of ball handlers that Penny considers able to run the offense. But just being able to dribble proficiently doesn't make one a point.
You can learn a lot more about a player by watching full games, not highlight reels. You get a much better feel for their bball IQ, decision making, etc. There are quite a few of his full games on youtube if you have some spare time. Reminds me of Tyreke a little. I think PG is feasible.
Tyreke was an ELITE high school player (top 5) not top 60. One year later he was NBA Rookie of the Year. He was gifted with skills only three or four Tigers ever possessed.
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just making a comparison. Nobody said he's better or as good as Tyreke. He grabs rebounds and goes coast to coast similar to Tyreke. Similar size at 6'6". Geez.
Well, that's not a comparison, then. Geez.
I was also simply pointing out that the comparison isn't fair to Nesbit because Tyreke was other worldly.
The skillset of a top 60 recruit vs. that of a guy who would have been a top 10 NBA draft pick out of high school isn't fair.
"Reminds me of Tyreke a little" is hardly unfair. Of course your vast knowledge of watching one highlight film and declaring he can't play PG is quite fair. I see why this site is deserted.
(01-19-2021 02:52 PM)cvilletiger Wrote: According to whom? Brooks?
Every listing of the dude is as a wing, forward, or combo guard. Described as "well built" and "tough." There is not any mention about his being able to play point.
Here is a highlight video that consists of about 90% dunks and 10% threes. Not shown at all are any plays from the point where he's doing any driving and dishing or making any incredible passes.
That is part of Memphis' problem. We have a bunch of ball handlers that Penny considers able to run the offense. But just being able to dribble proficiently doesn't make one a point.
You can learn a lot more about a player by watching full games, not highlight reels. You get a much better feel for their bball IQ, decision making, etc. There are quite a few of his full games on youtube if you have some spare time. Reminds me of Tyreke a little. I think PG is feasible.
Tyreke was an ELITE high school player (top 5) not top 60. One year later he was NBA Rookie of the Year. He was gifted with skills only three or four Tigers ever possessed.
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just making a comparison. Nobody said he's better or as good as Tyreke. He grabs rebounds and goes coast to coast similar to Tyreke. Similar size at 6'6". Geez.
Well, that's not a comparison, then. Geez.
I was also simply pointing out that the comparison isn't fair to Nesbit because Tyreke was other worldly.
The skillset of a top 60 recruit vs. that of a guy who would have been a top 10 NBA draft pick out of high school isn't fair.
(01-19-2021 02:59 PM)danny1 Wrote: I was talking to a buddy of mine yesterday. We are both in our late 50's and can still swish free throws at a clip greater than 60%. How can you have a division 1 basketball team that cannot hit better than 60% from the line? Don't get me wrong. I love and support our team, but how can they be so bad from the line?
As previously pointed out, there are a lot of problems with fundamentals.
I listened to a really interesting segment on NBA radio about this, specifically in regards to the Greek Freak (not going to even try to spell his name)...
Anyways, the basis was the extremely high intensity he plays with throughout the game. In essence, the host (a former NBA player) was saying that at the free throw line these guys have to learn to relax and focus and dial down the intensity of the game for those shots. It was his opinion that many players struggle with free throws because they lack the focus or ability to dial down the intensity of the game for free throws, not because of poor form or inability to shoot them in practice or even a lack of practice.
That doesn't make any sense. The past four seasons all rank in the top 7 in NBA history for average season FT%.
The conversation was not about the NBA at large but rather why specific players (especially some high level player like Giannis) struggle at the free throw line.
Because he dunks a lot. Not a good 3pt shooter. Doesn't have to shoot 15 footers very often.
Plus, tall dudes generally are worse at shooting FT's. Right now he is shooting poorly along with Steven Adams, Andre Drummond, Rudy Gobert, and (gulp) Precious as some of the worst FT shooters in the league.
Ya, I am not sure those are guys games are comparable in anyway to Giannis outside of the general fact that "they are tall"...
But regardless. The poster made a comment about players struggling at the free throw line and I thought the host had an interesting take. You are free to call in and debate it with Eddie Johnson if you want. I believe he is on right now and definitely is normally around 5 central on NBA radio. They enjoy callers that call in and disagree with them.
(01-19-2021 12:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote: No he isn't.
At all.
Yes. He can definitely play the point.
According to whom? Brooks?
Every listing of the dude is as a wing, forward, or combo guard. Described as "well built" and "tough." There is not any mention about his being able to play point.
Here is a highlight video that consists of about 90% dunks and 10% threes. Not shown at all are any plays from the point where he's doing any driving and dishing or making any incredible passes.
That is part of Memphis' problem. We have a bunch of ball handlers that Penny considers able to run the offense. But just being able to dribble proficiently doesn't make one a point.
Penny's offense right now does not require a typical PG...He needs a someone that can win his one on one off the dribble...If that means winning and scoring or winning and dishing it doesn't matter.
But right now we essentially have a bunch of role players who need to be setup outside of Deandre who appears to be able to score over defense. Anyone else who is guarded struggles mightily.
Perhaps, but if the guy can't pass, defenses will just collapse or double. Frosh Will Barton would be horrible for this team. Senior Jeremiah Martin would be incredible.
Junior/Senior Joe Jackson would be great. Frankly, ANTONIO Barton would be an asset on this team.
Heck, I would prefer adding Willie Kemp over Elliot Williams for THIS roster right now.
To further derail this thread...Precious doesn't look at the rim until he is in the motion of raising the ball and shooting. Good mechanics but a terrible process.
(01-19-2021 01:08 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: The tv guy the other night said DJ was an elite athlete, lol.
Is this Brooks' big news?
That's what I was wondering. I mean, it is great news, but the teases in terms of a "big announcement" made me think of something bigger. Hope there is bigger news for the University coming.
In the meanwhile, "Welcome to Jordan!"
NEGATIVE HALL MONITOR---negative always negative---its always this guy !!!
(01-19-2021 03:09 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote: I listened to a really interesting segment on NBA radio about this, specifically in regards to the Greek Freak (not going to even try to spell his name)...
Anyways, the basis was the extremely high intensity he plays with throughout the game. In essence, the host (a former NBA player) was saying that at the free throw line these guys have to learn to relax and focus and dial down the intensity of the game for those shots. It was his opinion that many players struggle with free throws because they lack the focus or ability to dial down the intensity of the game for free throws, not because of poor form or inability to shoot them in practice or even a lack of practice.
That doesn't make any sense. The past four seasons all rank in the top 7 in NBA history for average season FT%.
The conversation was not about the NBA at large but rather why specific players (especially some high level player like Giannis) struggle at the free throw line.
Because he dunks a lot. Not a good 3pt shooter. Doesn't have to shoot 15 footers very often.
Plus, tall dudes generally are worse at shooting FT's. Right now he is shooting poorly along with Steven Adams, Andre Drummond, Rudy Gobert, and (gulp) Precious as some of the worst FT shooters in the league.
Ya, I am not sure those are guys games are comparable in anyway to Giannis outside of the general fact that "they are tall"...
But regardless. The poster made a comment about players struggling at the free throw line and I thought the host had an interesting take. You are free to call in and debate it with Eddie Johnson if you want. I believe he is on right now and definitely is normally around 5 central on NBA radio. They enjoy callers that call in and disagree with them.
Its interesting I guess because it has no rational basis to it.
The idea players "give it all" which takes away from FT shooting belies the idea that 4 of the top 7 NBA season FT averages have occurred the last four seasons..
It's really as simple as, he's a bad outside shooter already, and as a C/PF he's in a group of players who normally are the worst at shooting FT.
(01-19-2021 02:52 PM)cvilletiger Wrote: According to whom? Brooks?
Every listing of the dude is as a wing, forward, or combo guard. Described as "well built" and "tough." There is not any mention about his being able to play point.
Here is a highlight video that consists of about 90% dunks and 10% threes. Not shown at all are any plays from the point where he's doing any driving and dishing or making any incredible passes.
That is part of Memphis' problem. We have a bunch of ball handlers that Penny considers able to run the offense. But just being able to dribble proficiently doesn't make one a point.
You can learn a lot more about a player by watching full games, not highlight reels. You get a much better feel for their bball IQ, decision making, etc. There are quite a few of his full games on youtube if you have some spare time. Reminds me of Tyreke a little. I think PG is feasible.
Tyreke was an ELITE high school player (top 5) not top 60. One year later he was NBA Rookie of the Year. He was gifted with skills only three or four Tigers ever possessed.
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just making a comparison. Nobody said he's better or as good as Tyreke. He grabs rebounds and goes coast to coast similar to Tyreke. Similar size at 6'6". Geez.
Well, that's not a comparison, then. Geez.
I was also simply pointing out that the comparison isn't fair to Nesbit because Tyreke was other worldly.
The skillset of a top 60 recruit vs. that of a guy who would have been a top 10 NBA draft pick out of high school isn't fair.
"Reminds me of Tyreke a little" is hardly unfair. Of course your vast knowledge of watching one highlight film and declaring he can't play PG is quite fair. I see why this site is deserted.