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RE: Jordan Nesbit Enrolled At Memphis
(01-19-2021 06:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 05:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 03:41 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
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(01-19-2021 03:14 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  That doesn't make any sense. The past four seasons all rank in the top 7 in NBA history for average season FT%.

The conversation was not about the NBA at large but rather why specific players (especially some high level player like Giannis) struggle at the free throw line.

Because he dunks a lot. Not a good 3pt shooter. Doesn't have to shoot 15 footers very often.

Plus, tall dudes generally are worse at shooting FT's. Right now he is shooting poorly along with Steven Adams, Andre Drummond, Rudy Gobert, and (gulp) Precious as some of the worst FT shooters in the league.

Ya, I am not sure those are guys games are comparable in anyway to Giannis outside of the general fact that "they are tall"...

But regardless. The poster made a comment about players struggling at the free throw line and I thought the host had an interesting take. You are free to call in and debate it with Eddie Johnson if you want. I believe he is on right now and definitely is normally around 5 central on NBA radio. They enjoy callers that call in and disagree with them.

Its interesting I guess because it has no rational basis to it.

The idea players "give it all" which takes away from FT shooting belies the idea that 4 of the top 7 NBA season FT averages have occurred the last four seasons..

It's really as simple as, he's a bad outside shooter already, and as a C/PF he's in a group of players who normally are the worst at shooting FT.

Ya, I think you are not following the thought process based on your responses. At no point was "give it all" mentioned and I have no idea why you keep referencing NBA at large averages. Specifically with Giannis there is more to it than "he is a bad shooter" which is why it is an interesting conversation. His career averages by season have gone 68.3 (rookie) - 74.1 - 72.4 - 77.0 - 76.0 - 72.9 - 63.3 - 58.6 (current).

Anyways, its not a conversation I am interested in pursuing. The poster mentioned him and his older buddies being able to make free throws and college players not making them consistently. It simply brought the reference to mind in the psychological difference between hanging out with buddies and shooting relaxed inconsequential shots as opposed to a player being in the middle of an intense game with significant consequences.
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RE: Jordan Nesbit Enrolled At Memphis
(01-19-2021 06:49 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 04:50 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 04:26 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 04:04 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 03:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  You can learn a lot more about a player by watching full games, not highlight reels. You get a much better feel for their bball IQ, decision making, etc. There are quite a few of his full games on youtube if you have some spare time. Reminds me of Tyreke a little. I think PG is feasible.

Tyreke was an ELITE high school player (top 5) not top 60. One year later he was NBA Rookie of the Year. He was gifted with skills only three or four Tigers ever possessed.
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just making a comparison. Nobody said he's better or as good as Tyreke. He grabs rebounds and goes coast to coast similar to Tyreke. Similar size at 6'6". Geez.

Well, that's not a comparison, then. Geez.

I was also simply pointing out that the comparison isn't fair to Nesbit because Tyreke was other worldly.

The skillset of a top 60 recruit vs. that of a guy who would have been a top 10 NBA draft pick out of high school isn't fair.

"Reminds me of Tyreke a little" is hardly unfair. Of course your vast knowledge of watching one highlight film and declaring he can't play PG is quite fair. I see why this site is deserted.

Sensitive doe.

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RE: Jordan Nesbit Enrolled At Memphis
Article in the CA this morning says Nesbitt is immediately eligible, and is allowed to practice and travel with the team.

This year will not count against his eligibility, and whether he plays or not is up to Penny.

Quote: "He is expected to participate in team activities and will be eligible to play in games this season. But whether Nesbitt competes in any of the Tigers' remaining games is up to coach Penny Hardaway and his staff."

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...211085001/
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(01-20-2021 06:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Article in the CA this morning says Nesbitt is immediately eligible, and is allowed to practice and travel with the team.

This year will not count against his eligibility, and whether he plays or not is up to Penny.

Quote: "He is expected to participate in team activities and will be eligible to play in games this season. But whether Nesbitt competes in any of the Tigers' remaining games is up to coach Penny Hardaway and his staff."

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...211085001/

I'm hoping not. As someone else mentioned, what we don't need is yet another player in the rotation who once he gains momentum and gets into a rhythm is sat down.
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(01-20-2021 06:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Article in the CA this morning says Nesbitt is immediately eligible, and is allowed to practice and travel with the team.

This year will not count against his eligibility, and whether he plays or not is up to Penny.

Quote: "He is expected to participate in team activities and will be eligible to play in games this season. But whether Nesbitt competes in any of the Tigers' remaining games is up to coach Penny Hardaway and his staff."

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...211085001/

I'm hoping not. As someone else mentioned, what we don't need is yet another player in the rotation who once he gains momentum and gets into a rhythm is sat down.

So you're saying another player will make the team worse than it already is?
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(01-20-2021 07:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
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(01-20-2021 06:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Article in the CA this morning says Nesbitt is immediately eligible, and is allowed to practice and travel with the team.

This year will not count against his eligibility, and whether he plays or not is up to Penny.

Quote: "He is expected to participate in team activities and will be eligible to play in games this season. But whether Nesbitt competes in any of the Tigers' remaining games is up to coach Penny Hardaway and his staff."

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...211085001/

I'm hoping not. As someone else mentioned, what we don't need is yet another player in the rotation who once he gains momentum and gets into a rhythm is sat down.

So you're saying another player will make the team worse than it already is?

Sure.

There has been a thought that, if anything, Penny needs to tighten his lineup and find the 7 best guys to play together. Have five play about 30 mpg and the other two at 25 mpg.


Adding another guy further dilutes minutes, leads to MORE rotation changes and substitutions, and brings in another guy who has little to no established rapport with other players.
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RE: Jordan Nesbit Enrolled At Memphis
You can bring him on the team, he could start and get significant minutes, and you can tighten up the rotation. These aren't mutually exclusive. None of that though solves what they do offensively when they get on the court. and that's the fundamental problem with this team in my opinion. Who you start and what the rotation looks like isn't it going to fix that.
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(01-20-2021 09:25 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  You can bring him on the team, he could start and get significant minutes, and you can tighten up the rotation. These aren't mutually exclusive. None of that though solves what they do offensively when they get on the court. and that's the fundamental problem with this team in my opinion. Who you start and what the rotation looks like isn't it going to fix that.

If a top 60 high school level kid can walk onto the court 1/3rd of the way through the season and be better than the 11 guys who have been playing we might as well just stop the season.
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(01-20-2021 09:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 09:25 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  You can bring him on the team, he could start and get significant minutes, and you can tighten up the rotation. These aren't mutually exclusive. None of that though solves what they do offensively when they get on the court. and that's the fundamental problem with this team in my opinion. Who you start and what the rotation looks like isn't it going to fix that.

If a top 60 high school level kid can walk onto the court 1/3rd of the way through the season and be better than the 11 guys who have been playing we might as well just stop the season.

You been watching the games? All that isn't to the point I was making imo so I don't even know why you quoted me LOL. My problem is with the offense, with a turnovers, with trying to overwhelm with Talent rather than with passing. It's all been proven not to work at least at this point. Penny needs to step back swallow his ego and bringing somebody Specializes in offense. Someone who has an established track record there. Memphis basketball is still a program that can do that and you'll have a lot of choices. Forget his friendships and bring somebody in. forget about who starts and start thinking about what matters.
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(01-20-2021 09:41 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 09:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 09:25 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  You can bring him on the team, he could start and get significant minutes, and you can tighten up the rotation. These aren't mutually exclusive. None of that though solves what they do offensively when they get on the court. and that's the fundamental problem with this team in my opinion. Who you start and what the rotation looks like isn't it going to fix that.

If a top 60 high school level kid can walk onto the court 1/3rd of the way through the season and be better than the 11 guys who have been playing we might as well just stop the season.

You been watching the games? All that isn't to the point I was making imo so I don't even know why you quoted me LOL. My problem is with the offense, with a turnovers, with trying to overwhelm with Talent rather than with passing. It's all been proven not to work at least at this point. Penny needs to step back swallow his ego and bringing somebody Specializes in offense. Someone who has an established track record there. Memphis basketball is still a program that can do that and you'll have a lot of choices. Forget his friendships and bring somebody in. forget about who starts and start thinking about what matters.

What he is saying, IS the point. Also, as I have mentioned a few times before, there really isn't such a thing as a combo guard coming out of high school. Combo guard is code for a player who likes to run the offense in high school, but won't be good enough to do the same job at the D1 level. 99% of the time, a combo guard is either going to be a very good two guard, or a mediocre point guard at the college level.

If you are very very lucky, you get Elliot Williams, Antonio Anderson, Chris Crawford or Jeremiah Martin. In theory, Boogie might have been that guy. A player who has a below average skill set running a team, but does other things so well that it compensates for his weaknesses.

You can get by as a good team, but you won't ever be very good when this is the case.
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At this point, I'm in agreement with Saluki and a few others. This addition, nor any, excites me all that much. We added DW and it did absolutely NOTHING. The problems we are dealing with are much bigger. Pains me to say it, but it looks like Penny doesn't know what he's doing. The players don't seem to be developing, there is no identity on offense, the team's bb IQ is AWFUL and on and on. A true PG that can shoot and run an offense would certainly help, but I don't think this kid is that. This will be more of the same.

Sad. My apathy is setting in. Case and point: I didn't watch a single second of the game on Sunday. I looked up the score a few times and was in a group text making Penny jokes, but I had the football game on.
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(01-20-2021 09:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 07:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 06:33 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 06:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Article in the CA this morning says Nesbitt is immediately eligible, and is allowed to practice and travel with the team.

This year will not count against his eligibility, and whether he plays or not is up to Penny.

Quote: "He is expected to participate in team activities and will be eligible to play in games this season. But whether Nesbitt competes in any of the Tigers' remaining games is up to coach Penny Hardaway and his staff."

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...211085001/

I'm hoping not. As someone else mentioned, what we don't need is yet another player in the rotation who once he gains momentum and gets into a rhythm is sat down.

So you're saying another player will make the team worse than it already is?

Sure.

There has been a thought that, if anything, Penny needs to tighten his lineup and find the 7 best guys to play together. Have five play about 30 mpg and the other two at 25 mpg.


Adding another guy further dilutes minutes, leads to MORE rotation changes and substitutions, and brings in another guy who has little to no established rapport with other players.

If Penny is going to shrink the rotation to 8 guys...

He is going to shrink it to the 8 best guys...If Nesbitt is one of the 8 best it is not an issue...If Nesbitt is not one of the 8 best it still is not an issue.
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(01-20-2021 09:41 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 09:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 09:25 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  You can bring him on the team, he could start and get significant minutes, and you can tighten up the rotation. These aren't mutually exclusive. None of that though solves what they do offensively when they get on the court. and that's the fundamental problem with this team in my opinion. Who you start and what the rotation looks like isn't it going to fix that.

If a top 60 high school level kid can walk onto the court 1/3rd of the way through the season and be better than the 11 guys who have been playing we might as well just stop the season.

You been watching the games? All that isn't to the point I was making imo so I don't even know why you quoted me LOL. My problem is with the offense, with a turnovers, with trying to overwhelm with Talent rather than with passing. It's all been proven not to work at least at this point. Penny needs to step back swallow his ego and bringing somebody Specializes in offense. Someone who has an established track record there. Memphis basketball is still a program that can do that and you'll have a lot of choices. Forget his friendships and bring somebody in. forget about who starts and start thinking about what matters.

I don't disagree with any of that. I just don't think one can fix stupid, and it seems most of our players just have incredibly low basketball IQ's.
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(01-20-2021 09:58 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 09:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 07:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 06:33 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 06:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Article in the CA this morning says Nesbitt is immediately eligible, and is allowed to practice and travel with the team.

This year will not count against his eligibility, and whether he plays or not is up to Penny.

Quote: "He is expected to participate in team activities and will be eligible to play in games this season. But whether Nesbitt competes in any of the Tigers' remaining games is up to coach Penny Hardaway and his staff."

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...211085001/

I'm hoping not. As someone else mentioned, what we don't need is yet another player in the rotation who once he gains momentum and gets into a rhythm is sat down.

So you're saying another player will make the team worse than it already is?

Sure.

There has been a thought that, if anything, Penny needs to tighten his lineup and find the 7 best guys to play together. Have five play about 30 mpg and the other two at 25 mpg.


Adding another guy further dilutes minutes, leads to MORE rotation changes and substitutions, and brings in another guy who has little to no established rapport with other players.

If Penny is going to shrink the rotation to 8 guys...

He is going to shrink it to the 8 best guys...If Nesbitt is one of the 8 best


Then that is a bigger issue....
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(01-20-2021 10:40 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 09:41 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 09:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 09:25 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  You can bring him on the team, he could start and get significant minutes, and you can tighten up the rotation. These aren't mutually exclusive. None of that though solves what they do offensively when they get on the court. and that's the fundamental problem with this team in my opinion. Who you start and what the rotation looks like isn't it going to fix that.

If a top 60 high school level kid can walk onto the court 1/3rd of the way through the season and be better than the 11 guys who have been playing we might as well just stop the season.

You been watching the games? All that isn't to the point I was making imo so I don't even know why you quoted me LOL. My problem is with the offense, with a turnovers, with trying to overwhelm with Talent rather than with passing. It's all been proven not to work at least at this point. Penny needs to step back swallow his ego and bringing somebody Specializes in offense. Someone who has an established track record there. Memphis basketball is still a program that can do that and you'll have a lot of choices. Forget his friendships and bring somebody in. forget about who starts and start thinking about what matters.

I don't disagree with any of that. I just don't think one can fix stupid, and it seems most of our players just have incredibly low basketball IQ's.

LOL, replying to my own post...but....

The main issue with that is the way Penny is recruiting...he seems to go star chasing instead of team building. It's great to go out and get the best 5* and 4* players, but if those guys don't play off each other and compensate for each others weaknesses and complement each others strengths, then it can be a mess.
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(01-20-2021 10:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
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(01-20-2021 06:33 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I'm hoping not. As someone else mentioned, what we don't need is yet another player in the rotation who once he gains momentum and gets into a rhythm is sat down.

So you're saying another player will make the team worse than it already is?

Sure.

There has been a thought that, if anything, Penny needs to tighten his lineup and find the 7 best guys to play together. Have five play about 30 mpg and the other two at 25 mpg.


Adding another guy further dilutes minutes, leads to MORE rotation changes and substitutions, and brings in another guy who has little to no established rapport with other players.

If Penny is going to shrink the rotation to 8 guys...

He is going to shrink it to the 8 best guys...If Nesbitt is one of the 8 best


Then that is a bigger issue....

But as I stated if Penny decides to shrink the rotation to 8...Nesbitt will not be an issue with that. I assume you agree.
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IKE's hoping he's got a Trey Ball
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(01-20-2021 12:11 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 10:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 09:58 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 09:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-20-2021 07:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  So you're saying another player will make the team worse than it already is?

Sure.

There has been a thought that, if anything, Penny needs to tighten his lineup and find the 7 best guys to play together. Have five play about 30 mpg and the other two at 25 mpg.


Adding another guy further dilutes minutes, leads to MORE rotation changes and substitutions, and brings in another guy who has little to no established rapport with other players.

If Penny is going to shrink the rotation to 8 guys...

He is going to shrink it to the 8 best guys...If Nesbitt is one of the 8 best


Then that is a bigger issue....

But as I stated if Penny decides to shrink the rotation to 8...Nesbitt will not be an issue with that. I assume you agree.

Agree.
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(01-20-2021 12:15 PM)memphisike Wrote:  IKE's hoping he's got a Trey Ball

I'm with Ike o this one. Can he play point guard is my only question?
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(01-20-2021 06:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Article in the CA this morning says Nesbitt is immediately eligible, and is allowed to practice and travel with the team.

This year will not count against his eligibility, and whether he plays or not is up to Penny.

Quote: "He is expected to participate in team activities and will be eligible to play in games this season. But whether Nesbitt competes in any of the Tigers' remaining games is up to coach Penny Hardaway and his staff."

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...211085001/

I'm hoping not. As someone else mentioned, what we don't need is yet another player in the rotation who once he gains momentum and gets into a rhythm is sat down.

So you're saying another player will make the team worse than it already is?

Sure.

There has been a thought that, if anything, Penny needs to tighten his lineup and find the 7 best guys to play together. Have five play about 30 mpg and the other two at 25 mpg.


Adding another guy further dilutes minutes, leads to MORE rotation changes and substitutions, and brings in another guy who has little to no established rapport with other players.

I'm not arguing that we shouldn't shorten the rotation. I'm pretty sure Penny can count to 7 or 8. He's his own worst enemy in that regard.

I'm simply saying adding Nesbitt gives one more choice to make the 7 or 8. He's a bonus. He knows he might not get a lot of minutes right away. If he's good enough to do it, fine. If not, he sits to next year.

To me, the biggest issue is for Penny to commit to a shorter rotation, then actually do it. So far, he has 9 or 10 guys in by the first TV break.

But to say we shouldn't add Nesbitt b/c it gives Penny too many choices, that makes no sense.
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