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RE: Election Update from Arizona
(02-22-2021 06:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
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(02-12-2021 09:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Curious umbluegray, you don't live in Arizona...I assume. What is your interest here? What do you think is going to happen here...that someone is going to magically find that dominion machines switched votes when that's not been once shown in any election, anywhere to date?
Not speaking for him but I would like a heck of a lot more transparency across the board in elections.

Auditing yourself isnt transparency.

Michigan's risk-limiting audit was just completed. The results have been affirmed the results and the report will be made public shortly. And the audit was done with the assistance of an independent firm as well as election clerks of both parties.

Quote:The Bureau of Elections compiling a full report of the results, which will be published upon completion. Risk-limiting audits are considered the gold standard of post-election audits and provide an extra layer of security when partnered with the traditional audit methods already utilized by election officials. The Bureau of Elections and local clerks across the state began piloting the audits in 2018 and 2019, and also conducted a pilot of the 2020 presidential primary. The process was conducted with the assistance of VotingWorks, a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization. It also drew upon the advice of the Election Security Advisory Commission and an audit task force composed of election clerks.
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts...ns/2c0f391

Maricopa County, AZ is currently conducting a forensic audit and is using two independent firms. Results are expected in March.

Does MI have a good explanation for the hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped on election night that went almost all for Biden?

Yes, and they always have. They use a centralized mail in counting facility and reported results in large batches. Unsurprisingly the vast majority of mail in votes from detroit were for Biden.

Obama got 97.5% of the vote in Detroit, Hillary got 95% of the vote in Detroit. It isn't some big surprise when mail in voting from Detroit when overwhelmingly for Biden.

And what were the error rates for mail-in ballots during previous elections vs the Nov 2020 election?
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RE: Election Update from Arizona
(02-22-2021 10:31 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 06:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 03:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 12:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 10:47 AM)maximus Wrote:  Not speaking for him but I would like a heck of a lot more transparency across the board in elections.

Auditing yourself isnt transparency.

Michigan's risk-limiting audit was just completed. The results have been affirmed the results and the report will be made public shortly. And the audit was done with the assistance of an independent firm as well as election clerks of both parties.

Quote:The Bureau of Elections compiling a full report of the results, which will be published upon completion. Risk-limiting audits are considered the gold standard of post-election audits and provide an extra layer of security when partnered with the traditional audit methods already utilized by election officials. The Bureau of Elections and local clerks across the state began piloting the audits in 2018 and 2019, and also conducted a pilot of the 2020 presidential primary. The process was conducted with the assistance of VotingWorks, a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization. It also drew upon the advice of the Election Security Advisory Commission and an audit task force composed of election clerks.
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts...ns/2c0f391

Maricopa County, AZ is currently conducting a forensic audit and is using two independent firms. Results are expected in March.

Does MI have a good explanation for the hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped on election night that went almost all for Biden?

Yes, and they always have. They use a centralized mail in counting facility and reported results in large batches. Unsurprisingly the vast majority of mail in votes from detroit were for Biden.

Obama got 97.5% of the vote in Detroit, Hillary got 95% of the vote in Detroit. It isn't some big surprise when mail in voting from Detroit when overwhelmingly for Biden.

And what were the error rates for mail-in ballots during previous elections vs the Nov 2020 election?

.6 in the primary, .46 in the general.

A whopping o.16% difference. Somebody call Mike Liddell.
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Election Update from Arizona
(02-22-2021 06:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 03:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 12:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 10:47 AM)maximus Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 09:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Curious umbluegray, you don't live in Arizona...I assume. What is your interest here? What do you think is going to happen here...that someone is going to magically find that dominion machines switched votes when that's not been once shown in any election, anywhere to date?
Not speaking for him but I would like a heck of a lot more transparency across the board in elections.

Auditing yourself isnt transparency.

Michigan's risk-limiting audit was just completed. The results have been affirmed the results and the report will be made public shortly. And the audit was done with the assistance of an independent firm as well as election clerks of both parties.

Quote:The Bureau of Elections compiling a full report of the results, which will be published upon completion. Risk-limiting audits are considered the gold standard of post-election audits and provide an extra layer of security when partnered with the traditional audit methods already utilized by election officials. The Bureau of Elections and local clerks across the state began piloting the audits in 2018 and 2019, and also conducted a pilot of the 2020 presidential primary. The process was conducted with the assistance of VotingWorks, a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization. It also drew upon the advice of the Election Security Advisory Commission and an audit task force composed of election clerks.
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts...ns/2c0f391

Maricopa County, AZ is currently conducting a forensic audit and is using two independent firms. Results are expected in March.

Does MI have a good explanation for the hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped on election night that went almost all for Biden?

Yes, and they always have. They use a centralized mail in counting facility and reported results in large batches. Unsurprisingly the vast majority of mail in votes from detroit were for Biden.

Obama got 97.5% of the vote in Detroit, Hillary got 95% of the vote in Detroit. It isn't some big surprise when mail in voting from Detroit when overwhelmingly for Biden.


Forget percentages, how do the raw vote #’s match up?

Did Sloe* really outdraw the Cank in a place like Detroit? Even with his blatant and historical history of open racism? That’d be fascinating to see.

Thanks in advance.
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RE: Election Update from Arizona
(Yesterday 06:52 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 06:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 03:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 12:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 10:47 AM)maximus Wrote:  Not speaking for him but I would like a heck of a lot more transparency across the board in elections.

Auditing yourself isnt transparency.

Michigan's risk-limiting audit was just completed. The results have been affirmed the results and the report will be made public shortly. And the audit was done with the assistance of an independent firm as well as election clerks of both parties.

Quote:The Bureau of Elections compiling a full report of the results, which will be published upon completion. Risk-limiting audits are considered the gold standard of post-election audits and provide an extra layer of security when partnered with the traditional audit methods already utilized by election officials. The Bureau of Elections and local clerks across the state began piloting the audits in 2018 and 2019, and also conducted a pilot of the 2020 presidential primary. The process was conducted with the assistance of VotingWorks, a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization. It also drew upon the advice of the Election Security Advisory Commission and an audit task force composed of election clerks.
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts...ns/2c0f391

Maricopa County, AZ is currently conducting a forensic audit and is using two independent firms. Results are expected in March.

Does MI have a good explanation for the hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped on election night that went almost all for Biden?

Yes, and they always have. They use a centralized mail in counting facility and reported results in large batches. Unsurprisingly the vast majority of mail in votes from detroit were for Biden.

Obama got 97.5% of the vote in Detroit, Hillary got 95% of the vote in Detroit. It isn't some big surprise when mail in voting from Detroit when overwhelmingly for Biden.


Forget percentages, how do the raw vote #’s match up?

Did Sloe* really outdraw the Cank in a place like Detroit? Even with his blatant and historical history of open racism? That’d be fascinating to see.

Thanks in advance.

Obama got 80k more votes than Biden in Detroit in 2008, and 40k more in 2012.
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(02-22-2021 10:31 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  And what were the error rates for mail-in ballots during previous elections vs the Nov 2020 election?

I can answer that. Typically most states had a 5-6% error rate in previous elections vs Nov 2020 when it was ~.06%.
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(Yesterday 08:13 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 10:31 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  And what were the error rates for mail-in ballots during previous elections vs the Nov 2020 election?

I can answer that. Typically most states had a 5-6% error rate in previous elections vs Nov 2020 when it was ~.06%.

Post an actual source for that data.. Because we were talking about Michigan, and it was .6 in the primary and .46 in the general.

Post Michigan’s rejected absentee ballot numbers that show 5 to 6 percent in past elections.
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(02-22-2021 03:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 12:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 10:47 AM)maximus Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 09:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Curious umbluegray, you don't live in Arizona...I assume. What is your interest here? What do you think is going to happen here...that someone is going to magically find that dominion machines switched votes when that's not been once shown in any election, anywhere to date?
Not speaking for him but I would like a heck of a lot more transparency across the board in elections.

Auditing yourself isnt transparency.

Michigan's risk-limiting audit was just completed. The results have been affirmed the results and the report will be made public shortly. And the audit was done with the assistance of an independent firm as well as election clerks of both parties.

Quote:The Bureau of Elections compiling a full report of the results, which will be published upon completion. Risk-limiting audits are considered the gold standard of post-election audits and provide an extra layer of security when partnered with the traditional audit methods already utilized by election officials. The Bureau of Elections and local clerks across the state began piloting the audits in 2018 and 2019, and also conducted a pilot of the 2020 presidential primary. The process was conducted with the assistance of VotingWorks, a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization. It also drew upon the advice of the Election Security Advisory Commission and an audit task force composed of election clerks.
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts...ns/2c0f391

Maricopa County, AZ is currently conducting a forensic audit and is using two independent firms. Results are expected in March.

Does MI have a good explanation for the hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped on election night that went almost all for Biden?

Yeah moron...it's called votes from heavily democratic counties...big counties...that in every election since the dawn of time always come in later than smaller counties. And it happens in every state.
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(Yesterday 07:34 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 06:52 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 06:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 03:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 12:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Michigan's risk-limiting audit was just completed. The results have been affirmed the results and the report will be made public shortly. And the audit was done with the assistance of an independent firm as well as election clerks of both parties.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts...ns/2c0f391

Maricopa County, AZ is currently conducting a forensic audit and is using two independent firms. Results are expected in March.

Does MI have a good explanation for the hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped on election night that went almost all for Biden?

Yes, and they always have. They use a centralized mail in counting facility and reported results in large batches. Unsurprisingly the vast majority of mail in votes from detroit were for Biden.

Obama got 97.5% of the vote in Detroit, Hillary got 95% of the vote in Detroit. It isn't some big surprise when mail in voting from Detroit when overwhelmingly for Biden.


Forget percentages, how do the raw vote #’s match up?

Did Sloe* really outdraw the Cank in a place like Detroit? Even with his blatant and historical history of open racism? That’d be fascinating to see.

Thanks in advance.

Obama got 80k more votes than Biden in Detroit in 2008, and 40k more in 2012.

Didn't trump even do better in Detroit in 2020 than he did in 2016?
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RE: Election Update from Arizona
(Yesterday 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(Yesterday 07:34 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 06:52 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 06:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 03:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Does MI have a good explanation for the hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped on election night that went almost all for Biden?

Yes, and they always have. They use a centralized mail in counting facility and reported results in large batches. Unsurprisingly the vast majority of mail in votes from detroit were for Biden.

Obama got 97.5% of the vote in Detroit, Hillary got 95% of the vote in Detroit. It isn't some big surprise when mail in voting from Detroit when overwhelmingly for Biden.


Forget percentages, how do the raw vote #’s match up?

Did Sloe* really outdraw the Cank in a place like Detroit? Even with his blatant and historical history of open racism? That’d be fascinating to see.

Thanks in advance.

Obama got 80k more votes than Biden in Detroit in 2008, and 40k more in 2012.

Didn't trump even do better in Detroit in 2020 than he did in 2016?

Trump got 12.8k votes in 2020 in Detroit, 7.6k in 2016.
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Someone needs to explain how 70% of the votes in Wyoming came in for trump. That just can't be possible!
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In Wayne County MI, Biden received 597,170 votes to Trump’s 264,553. In 2016 Hillary got 390,766 to Trump’s 159,502. 2012 was 595,846 Obama and 213,814 Romney. From 2012 to 2020 the population of Wayne County dropped by over 100,000.
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(Yesterday 08:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Someone needs to explain how 70% of the votes in Wyoming came in for trump. That just can't be possible!

Sure it can. Those people are self reliant and smart.
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(Yesterday 12:17 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 10:31 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 06:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 03:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 12:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Michigan's risk-limiting audit was just completed. The results have been affirmed the results and the report will be made public shortly. And the audit was done with the assistance of an independent firm as well as election clerks of both parties.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts...ns/2c0f391

Maricopa County, AZ is currently conducting a forensic audit and is using two independent firms. Results are expected in March.

Does MI have a good explanation for the hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped on election night that went almost all for Biden?

Yes, and they always have. They use a centralized mail in counting facility and reported results in large batches. Unsurprisingly the vast majority of mail in votes from detroit were for Biden.

Obama got 97.5% of the vote in Detroit, Hillary got 95% of the vote in Detroit. It isn't some big surprise when mail in voting from Detroit when overwhelmingly for Biden.

And what were the error rates for mail-in ballots during previous elections vs the Nov 2020 election?

.6 in the primary, .46 in the general.

A whopping o.16% difference. Somebody call Mike Liddell.

Are you saying the Nov 20 rejection rate was 0.46% or 4.6%
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(Yesterday 09:00 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:17 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 10:31 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 06:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 03:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Does MI have a good explanation for the hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped on election night that went almost all for Biden?

Yes, and they always have. They use a centralized mail in counting facility and reported results in large batches. Unsurprisingly the vast majority of mail in votes from detroit were for Biden.

Obama got 97.5% of the vote in Detroit, Hillary got 95% of the vote in Detroit. It isn't some big surprise when mail in voting from Detroit when overwhelmingly for Biden.

And what were the error rates for mail-in ballots during previous elections vs the Nov 2020 election?

.6 in the primary, .46 in the general.

A whopping o.16% difference. Somebody call Mike Liddell.

Are you saying the Nov 20 rejection rate was 0.46% or 4.6%
O.6% in primary, 0.46% in general.
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(Yesterday 09:10 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:00 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:17 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 10:31 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 06:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Yes, and they always have. They use a centralized mail in counting facility and reported results in large batches. Unsurprisingly the vast majority of mail in votes from detroit were for Biden.

Obama got 97.5% of the vote in Detroit, Hillary got 95% of the vote in Detroit. It isn't some big surprise when mail in voting from Detroit when overwhelmingly for Biden.

And what were the error rates for mail-in ballots during previous elections vs the Nov 2020 election?

.6 in the primary, .46 in the general.

A whopping o.16% difference. Somebody call Mike Liddell.

Are you saying the Nov 20 rejection rate was 0.46% or 4.6%
O.6% in primary, 0.46% in general.

To be clear, you're holding to a 0.46% rejection rate of mail-in ballots during the Nov 2020 election.

And that's the issue. The average rejection rate, as mentioned previously by BTF runs from 5% to 6%.

And that's the rejection rate for a normal level of mail-in ballots. For the 2020 votes they expanded it to universal mail-in ballots. This means you had a majority of mail-in ballots coming from 1st-timers. The rejection rate should have been even higher. That is, if they were actually observing the ballots rather than being physically forced out of the room and forced to observe behind boarded up windows.
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(01-18-2021 05:12 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  The Arizona legislature is not backing off getting to the bottom of the election fraud claims.

Subpoenas had been issued for all items related to Maricopa County elections, i.e. voting machines, software, ballots, data, etc.

Election Commission refused to comply.

Court ruled that the court does not have jurisdiction and that jurisdiction lies with the state legislature alone to subpoena and enforce.

That caused some confusion. Further research shows that is actually true. And it's true in all 50 states individually.

The state legislature is now working on its own subpoenas and will force the election commission to comply, even if it means taking commissioners into custody.

Various state legislators have been in contact with legislators from other states who are also interested in getting to the bottom of the issue.

The total number of states in question is actually 17, not 6 that the news tells us about.



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(Yesterday 08:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 03:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 12:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 10:47 AM)maximus Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 09:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Curious umbluegray, you don't live in Arizona...I assume. What is your interest here? What do you think is going to happen here...that someone is going to magically find that dominion machines switched votes when that's not been once shown in any election, anywhere to date?
Not speaking for him but I would like a heck of a lot more transparency across the board in elections.

Auditing yourself isnt transparency.

Michigan's risk-limiting audit was just completed. The results have been affirmed the results and the report will be made public shortly. And the audit was done with the assistance of an independent firm as well as election clerks of both parties.

Quote:The Bureau of Elections compiling a full report of the results, which will be published upon completion. Risk-limiting audits are considered the gold standard of post-election audits and provide an extra layer of security when partnered with the traditional audit methods already utilized by election officials. The Bureau of Elections and local clerks across the state began piloting the audits in 2018 and 2019, and also conducted a pilot of the 2020 presidential primary. The process was conducted with the assistance of VotingWorks, a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization. It also drew upon the advice of the Election Security Advisory Commission and an audit task force composed of election clerks.
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts...ns/2c0f391

Maricopa County, AZ is currently conducting a forensic audit and is using two independent firms. Results are expected in March.

Does MI have a good explanation for the hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped on election night that went almost all for Biden?

Yeah moron...it's called votes from heavily democratic counties...big counties...that in every election since the dawn of time always come in later than smaller counties. And it happens in every state.

Here comes the DNC drone to try to shut down any discussion of voter fraud.
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(Yesterday 08:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah moron...it's called votes from heavily democratic counties...big counties...that in every election since the dawn of time always come in later than smaller counties. And it happens in every state.

Which provides perfect cover to say, "Hmm, how many votes do we need?" and throw in a few thousand extras.
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(Yesterday 10:23 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:10 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:00 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
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(02-22-2021 10:31 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  And what were the error rates for mail-in ballots during previous elections vs the Nov 2020 election?

.6 in the primary, .46 in the general.

A whopping o.16% difference. Somebody call Mike Liddell.

Are you saying the Nov 20 rejection rate was 0.46% or 4.6%
O.6% in primary, 0.46% in general.

To be clear, you're holding to a 0.46% rejection rate of mail-in ballots during the Nov 2020 election.

And that's the issue. The average rejection rate, as mentioned previously by BTF runs from 5% to 6%.

And that's the rejection rate for a normal level of mail-in ballots. For the 2020 votes they expanded it to universal mail-in ballots. This means you had a majority of mail-in ballots coming from 1st-timers. The rejection rate should have been even higher. That is, if they were actually observing the ballots rather than being physically forced out of the room and forced to observe behind boarded up windows.

Prove that Michigan historically rejects 5 to 6 percent of the ballots? You guys keep saying, post the data source that proves it. From Michigan, because states have different laws.

I checked the primary, they rejected 0.6%.

Also look into changes in the laws in regards to ballot curing and delivery time, which impact rejection rates. Many states are moving from a process where they just throw your ballot away if the reject it, to a process where they contact you and give you the opportunity to cure your ballot. If you want to compare percentages they need to be under the same ballot curing process.
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(Yesterday 08:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah moron...it's called votes from heavily democratic counties...big counties...that in every election since the dawn of time always come in later than smaller counties. And it happens in every state.

Which provides perfect cover to say, "Hmm, how many votes do we need?" and throw in a few thousand extras.

You're an idiot.

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