(01-19-2021 10:58 AM)dwash Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 10:29 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 12:09 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 06:11 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 05:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  He needs a guy who can win off the bounce...Honestly I think this team is one player away. Issue is how many guys can Penny keep in the fold.

You have more optimism than I do. I think this team has a LOT more problems than just a PG if the goal is to he a final 4 contender.

Offense still has no flow, urgency or off-ball movement - often looks like a rec team that only practices here snd there. Defense is fools gold with lots of gambling and poor discipline, shows up when we just need to play solid in big moments. Staff makes few or no adjustments in-game, even when opponent is doing something obvious repeatedly Rotations and Timeout management make no sense.

Lol...Nah I don't think we are one player away from being a final four contender...

I think we are one player away from being an 8 seed.

Ahh.. we can agree to agree then. With a serviceable PG (not even elite), I think this team is a solid 8-10 seed.

But how effective can a "serviceable" pg even be in this mess? You got too many guys solely interested in getting theirs.

In other words, we are counting on a serviceable pg to elevate the team when it's just as likely that this team brings down that imaginary pgs value and ability to produce.

We need that over the top superstar stud, Jalen Green type player. Someone who can come in and be the undoubted best player and leader. Someone like that might be able to get the others to fall in line behind them possibly.

Right now we have far too flat of a hierarchy. I had hoped Williams would fix that but right now he has not solved the problem. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians.

We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

He is two and a half years into his coaching career. Saying he is not a good coach is far too quick on the trigger IMO.

We play tremendous defense which is a product of coaching. We struggle on offense which is a product of coaching.

If he can get our offense to be half as good as our defense then we will have ourselves a very good coach but I still believe he deserves 4 or 5 years at the helm to be given a chance to grow into his own as a head coach at the college level.

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

What we do not need is enemies with fans like you though...

(01-19-2021 02:58 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

He is two and a half years into his coaching career. Saying he is not a good coach is far too quick on the trigger IMO.

We play tremendous defense which is a product of coaching. We struggle on offense which is a product of coaching.

If he can get our offense to be half as good as our defense then we will have ourselves a very good coach but I still believe he deserves 4 or 5 years at the helm to be given a chance to grow into his own as a head coach at the college level.

He has been in BB for 40 years--around coaches for 40 years---how long does it take to learn when to call a TO ---ETC ETC ETC---I heard a 5 year old child last game yelling for a TO--- I mean really BB is not brain surgery

(01-19-2021 02:59 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

What we do not need is enemies with fans like you though...

Yeah --we need HAPPY CLAPPER COACH WORSHIPERS with heads in the sand !

(01-19-2021 06:16 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:58 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

He is two and a half years into his coaching career. Saying he is not a good coach is far too quick on the trigger IMO.

We play tremendous defense which is a product of coaching. We struggle on offense which is a product of coaching.

If he can get our offense to be half as good as our defense then we will have ourselves a very good coach but I still believe he deserves 4 or 5 years at the helm to be given a chance to grow into his own as a head coach at the college level.

He has been in BB for 40 years--around coaches for 40 years---how long does it take to learn when to call a TO ---ETC ETC ETC---I heard a 5 year old child last game yelling for a TO--- I mean really BB is not brain surgery

Because there are philosophies and the sport is far from black and white like you are acting. If it is so simply and consistent why is Cal struggling this year? I mean coaching is just coaching and very simple. Why has Roy Williams had bad years? Why did Bobby Knight follow a 32-0 season with a 16-11 season? I mean, everything is consistent and never changing. I guess Bobby won and then just decided to take a season off. I guess Cal is just on cruise control this year in Kentucky. It isn't brain surgery after all...

(01-19-2021 06:18 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:59 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

What we do not need is enemies with fans like you though...

Yeah --we need HAPPY CLAPPER COACH WORSHIPERS with heads in the sand !

Ya, go read my posts I have been openly critical of Penny. I just recognize that a brand new head coach probably needs more than a year or two to develop and expected that when we hired him and think the idea of suggesting we need a new coach already is a bit ridiculous.

(01-19-2021 10:53 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 06:16 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:58 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

He is two and a half years into his coaching career. Saying he is not a good coach is far too quick on the trigger IMO.

We play tremendous defense which is a product of coaching. We struggle on offense which is a product of coaching.

If he can get our offense to be half as good as our defense then we will have ourselves a very good coach but I still believe he deserves 4 or 5 years at the helm to be given a chance to grow into his own as a head coach at the college level.

He has been in BB for 40 years--around coaches for 40 years---how long does it take to learn when to call a TO ---ETC ETC ETC---I heard a 5 year old child last game yelling for a TO--- I mean really BB is not brain surgery

Because there are philosophies and the sport is far from black and white like you are acting. If it is so simply and consistent why is Cal struggling this year? I mean coaching is just coaching and very simple. Why has Roy Williams had bad years? Why did Bobby Knight follow a 32-0 season with a 16-11 season? I mean, everything is consistent and never changing. I guess Bobby won and then just decided to take a season off. I guess Cal is just on cruise control this year in Kentucky. It isn't brain surgery after all...

Thanks for proving my point---because surely you are not suggesting that X/JUDAS/BENEDICT/FREDO--Williams---and Knight--had lost BB acumen during those down years .

If Penny doesn't know COMPLETELY the game of BB after being in it his entire life---then he has the IQ of STAMMERS --which I believe is sub 60.

(01-19-2021 10:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 06:18 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:59 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

What we do not need is enemies with fans like you though...

Yeah --we need HAPPY CLAPPER COACH WORSHIPERS with heads in the sand !

Ya, go read my posts I have been openly critical of Penny. I just recognize that a brand new head coach probably needs more than a year or two to develop and expected that when we hired him and think the idea of suggesting we need a new coach already is a bit ridiculous.

jsw3ent has been trollling coaches for a while now...Leave him be.

(01-20-2021 01:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 10:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 06:18 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:59 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

What we do not need is enemies with fans like you though...

Yeah --we need HAPPY CLAPPER COACH WORSHIPERS with heads in the sand !

Ya, go read my posts I have been openly critical of Penny. I just recognize that a brand new head coach probably needs more than a year or two to develop and expected that when we hired him and think the idea of suggesting we need a new coach already is a bit ridiculous.

jsw3ent has been trollling coaches for a while now...Leave him be.

LOL--why thank you !

(01-19-2021 11:18 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 10:53 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 06:16 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:58 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

He is two and a half years into his coaching career. Saying he is not a good coach is far too quick on the trigger IMO.

We play tremendous defense which is a product of coaching. We struggle on offense which is a product of coaching.

If he can get our offense to be half as good as our defense then we will have ourselves a very good coach but I still believe he deserves 4 or 5 years at the helm to be given a chance to grow into his own as a head coach at the college level.

He has been in BB for 40 years--around coaches for 40 years---how long does it take to learn when to call a TO ---ETC ETC ETC---I heard a 5 year old child last game yelling for a TO--- I mean really BB is not brain surgery

Because there are philosophies and the sport is far from black and white like you are acting. If it is so simply and consistent why is Cal struggling this year? I mean coaching is just coaching and very simple. Why has Roy Williams had bad years? Why did Bobby Knight follow a 32-0 season with a 16-11 season? I mean, everything is consistent and never changing. I guess Bobby won and then just decided to take a season off. I guess Cal is just on cruise control this year in Kentucky. It isn't brain surgery after all...

Thanks for proving my point---because surely you are not suggesting that X/JUDAS/BENEDICT/FREDO--Williams---and Knight--had lost BB acumen during those down years .

If Penny doesn't know COMPLETELY the game of BB after being in it his entire life---then he has the IQ of STAMMERS --which I believe is sub 60.

What I am suggesting is that there are a vast number of variables that go into coaching, most of which are most certainly learned and improved upon over time and experience. And many of which change every year. Thus, coaching goes well beyond "knowing the game". You have to know schemes, philosophies, your players strengths/weaknesses, other coaches, other team's players, adjustments and an endless number of other variables. Then you have to know how all of that relates to each of your players individually and collectively as a team. Then you have to know how to get through and teach all of that to your assistants and players on an individual and team level.

Then there is always the benefit you have of after the fact arm chair coaching. I watch a ton of NBA and I cannot tell you how often I hear announcers say something to the effect of "it will be interesting to see if Coach xxx calls a timeout here to stop this run or lets his players play it out" or "it will be interesting to see if coach xxx calls a timeout to setup a final play or if he will let his players play this out". There is not some definitive criteria on when a coach should or should not call timeouts, it all goes back to the coach's philosophy. But I do also very often hear announcers after the fact say what you are saying "oh, I probably would have called a timeout there". Interestingly enough you have something in common with the announcers in that both of you are forming opinions on the correct move with the benefit of already knowing the outcome and neither of you are being paid to coach...

I am 100% certain that if you asked any of the best coaches if they knew more about the game and coaching in year 5 than they did in year one and today compared to year one they would all definitely state they have learned and improved. I would be willing to bet if you asked Coach K if he has learned more about the game and coaching between last year and this year he would definitively state that he has. Are you really suggesting that coaches know everything they need to know in their first year of coaching? If so, I would slow down on talking about others' IQs...

(01-20-2021 01:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 10:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 06:18 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:59 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

What we do not need is enemies with fans like you though...

Yeah --we need HAPPY CLAPPER COACH WORSHIPERS with heads in the sand !

Ya, go read my posts I have been openly critical of Penny. I just recognize that a brand new head coach probably needs more than a year or two to develop and expected that when we hired him and think the idea of suggesting we need a new coach already is a bit ridiculous.

jsw3ent has been trollling coaches for a while now...Leave him be.

I get it. It is his "thing". And then touting Pastner and then stating "who" about any player that has left. Basically, he has about 5 posts that he just copy and pastes over and over.

(01-20-2021 01:20 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 11:18 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 10:53 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 06:16 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:58 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  He is two and a half years into his coaching career. Saying he is not a good coach is far too quick on the trigger IMO.

We play tremendous defense which is a product of coaching. We struggle on offense which is a product of coaching.

If he can get our offense to be half as good as our defense then we will have ourselves a very good coach but I still believe he deserves 4 or 5 years at the helm to be given a chance to grow into his own as a head coach at the college level.

He has been in BB for 40 years--around coaches for 40 years---how long does it take to learn when to call a TO ---ETC ETC ETC---I heard a 5 year old child last game yelling for a TO--- I mean really BB is not brain surgery

Because there are philosophies and the sport is far from black and white like you are acting. If it is so simply and consistent why is Cal struggling this year? I mean coaching is just coaching and very simple. Why has Roy Williams had bad years? Why did Bobby Knight follow a 32-0 season with a 16-11 season? I mean, everything is consistent and never changing. I guess Bobby won and then just decided to take a season off. I guess Cal is just on cruise control this year in Kentucky. It isn't brain surgery after all...

Thanks for proving my point---because surely you are not suggesting that X/JUDAS/BENEDICT/FREDO--Williams---and Knight--had lost BB acumen during those down years .

If Penny doesn't know COMPLETELY the game of BB after being in it his entire life---then he has the IQ of STAMMERS --which I believe is sub 60.

What I am suggesting is that there are a vast number of variables that go into coaching, most of which are most certainly learned and improved upon over time and experience. And many of which change every year. Thus, coaching goes well beyond "knowing the game". You have to know schemes, philosophies, your players strengths/weaknesses, other coaches, other team's players, adjustments and an endless number of other variables. Then you have to know how all of that relates to each of your players individually and collectively as a team. Then you have to know how to get through and teach all of that to your assistants and players on an individual and team level.

Then there is always the benefit you have of after the fact arm chair coaching. I watch a ton of NBA and I cannot tell you how often I hear announcers say something to the effect of "it will be interesting to see if Coach xxx calls a timeout here to stop this run or lets his players play it out" or "it will be interesting to see if coach xxx calls a timeout to setup a final play or if he will let his players play this out". There is not some definitive criteria on when a coach should or should not call timeouts, it all goes back to the coach's philosophy. But I do also very often hear announcers after the fact say what you are saying "oh, I probably would have called a timeout there". Interestingly enough you have something in common with the announcers in that both of you are forming opinions on the correct move with the benefit of already knowing the outcome and neither of you are being paid to coach...

I am 100% certain that if you asked any of the best coaches if they knew more about the game and coaching in year 5 than they did in year one and today compared to year one they would all definitely state they have learned and improved. I would be willing to bet if you asked Coach K if he has learned more about the game and coaching between last year and this year he would definitively state that he has. Are you really suggesting that coaches know everything they need to know in their first year of coaching? If so, I would slow down on talking about others' IQs...

This is well thought out and expressed. It reminds me of the judge telling Vinny-how lucid intelligent well thought out his objection was---before being overruled .

I agree with a lot you stated.

So---you are saying experience matters. Penny has been in BB his entire life ---around every single situation thousands of times---40 years of experience and he still don't get it. He still needs guidance.

(01-20-2021 01:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-20-2021 01:04 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 10:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 06:18 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:59 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  What we do not need is enemies with fans like you though...

Yeah --we need HAPPY CLAPPER COACH WORSHIPERS with heads in the sand !

Ya, go read my posts I have been openly critical of Penny. I just recognize that a brand new head coach probably needs more than a year or two to develop and expected that when we hired him and think the idea of suggesting we need a new coach already is a bit ridiculous.

jsw3ent has been trollling coaches for a while now...Leave him be.

I get it. It is his "thing". And then touting Pastner and then stating "who" about any player that has left. Basically, he has about 5 posts that he just copy and pastes over and over.

I wish I knew how to copy and paste . I could have posted the cousin vinny video--if that's what copy and paste is.

Oh yeah--you left off the "rue the day" thing.

I do enjoy your posts by the way---mostly anyway LOL

We all want the same thing ,I suppose, when it comes to the TIGERS-- to win the national championship in every sport.

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

We knew what we were getting when Penny was hired. He’s not a bad coach.He needs experience which we knew when he was hired.

(01-19-2021 02:58 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

He is two and a half years into his coaching career. Saying he is not a good coach is far too quick on the trigger IMO.

Give the guy credit. He dug into this position from day one. Calling him quick on the trigger now is 2.5 years too late.

(01-19-2021 06:18 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:59 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

What we do not need is enemies with fans like you though...

Yeah --we need HAPPY CLAPPER COACH WORSHIPERS with heads in the sand !

lol
Pastner worshipper
good grief

(01-20-2021 01:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:58 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

He is two and a half years into his coaching career. Saying he is not a good coach is far too quick on the trigger IMO.

Give the guy credit. He dug into this position from day one. Calling him quick on the trigger now is 2.5 years too late.

Please understand, I'm not happy about this. The thought of seeing Memphis turn on a Tiger legend is sickening. But, he just wasn't ready to be a D1 head coach and still isn't.

If we could invent a time machine and have him be an assistant under Tubby for a few years, while bringing in the recruits, then I think this could have worked. And who knows, maybe he'll come around? I just haven't seen anything that would lead me to that conclusion. Finishing .500 this year and about the same next year, and it's going to be a nightmare for all involved.

(01-20-2021 11:48 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(01-19-2021 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  We need this. We need that. We need this, that, and the other.

No.

We need a good coach. Period.

We knew what we were getting when Penny was hired. He’s not a bad coach.He needs experience which we knew when he was hired.

A lifetime of 40 years is not enough ?