(01-21-2021 02:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 01:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 12:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Big Sky made their expansion to make sure that their members didn’t leave for FBS and none of the Great West fb schools did either.

If any of the schools involved wanted to move to FBS and were capable of doing so, I don't see how a Big Sky membership or an offer thereof would have prevented a move to FBS. I think that even if any of the western FCS schools had FBS aspirations, they saw that the WAC was a sinking ship and weren't willing to risk boarding it.

That's right. The former Big Sky commissioner was full of himself and tried to sell the media his load of crap that he defeated the WAC or whatever. The truth was that Montana and friends were not interested in the WAC in the first place, and that would have remained true regardless of the Big Sky adding new members or anything else that the Big Sky commissioner did.

The Montana’s didn’t want to move up, but they didn’t want anyone else to consider the move, as an outpouring of Western FCS programs to the WAC would jeopardize the stability of the Big Sky, where they were planted and intended to stay.

At one point, only 4 schools were needed to join Idaho, NMSU, SJSU, and Utah St and save WAC football. Had they gotten the 4 they needed then, then I think they could have found 2 more when SJSU and Utah St got their MWC invitations. The 3 CA, 2 Montana’s, and someone else would have given them the pieces they needed.

(01-21-2021 02:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 02:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 01:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 12:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Big Sky made their expansion to make sure that their members didn’t leave for FBS and none of the Great West fb schools did either.

If any of the schools involved wanted to move to FBS and were capable of doing so, I don't see how a Big Sky membership or an offer thereof would have prevented a move to FBS. I think that even if any of the western FCS schools had FBS aspirations, they saw that the WAC was a sinking ship and weren't willing to risk boarding it.

That's right. The former Big Sky commissioner was full of himself and tried to sell the media his load of crap that he defeated the WAC or whatever. The truth was that Montana and friends were not interested in the WAC in the first place, and that would have remained true regardless of the Big Sky adding new members or anything else that the Big Sky commissioner did.

The Montana’s didn’t want to move up, but they didn’t want anyone else to consider the move, as an outpouring of Western FCS programs to the WAC would jeopardize the stability of the Big Sky, where they were planted and intended to stay.

At one point, only 4 schools were needed to join Idaho, NMSU, SJSU, and Utah St and save WAC football. Had they gotten the 4 they needed then, then I think they could have found 2 more when SJSU and Utah St got their MWC invitations. The 3 CA, 2 Montana’s, and someone else would have given them the pieces they needed.

But for an individual FCS institution, moving to FBS based on the supposition that several other independent institutions would also be moving up is risky. That's why no one moved up (except Texas State and UTSA, which had more options than the mountain and Pacific schools) -- they didn't want to make the commitment only to have the WAC fall apart underneath them.

(01-21-2021 02:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 02:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 01:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 12:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Big Sky made their expansion to make sure that their members didn’t leave for FBS and none of the Great West fb schools did either.

If any of the schools involved wanted to move to FBS and were capable of doing so, I don't see how a Big Sky membership or an offer thereof would have prevented a move to FBS. I think that even if any of the western FCS schools had FBS aspirations, they saw that the WAC was a sinking ship and weren't willing to risk boarding it.

That's right. The former Big Sky commissioner was full of himself and tried to sell the media his load of crap that he defeated the WAC or whatever. The truth was that Montana and friends were not interested in the WAC in the first place, and that would have remained true regardless of the Big Sky adding new members or anything else that the Big Sky commissioner did.

The Montana’s didn’t want to move up, but they didn’t want anyone else to consider the move, as an outpouring of Western FCS programs to the WAC would jeopardize the stability of the Big Sky, where they were planted and intended to stay.

At one point, only 4 schools were needed to join Idaho, NMSU, SJSU, and Utah St and save WAC football. Had they gotten the 4 they needed then, then I think they could have found 2 more when SJSU and Utah St got their MWC invitations. The 3 CA, 2 Montana’s, and someone else would have given them the pieces they needed.

I don't think the Montana schools did not want to go to the WAC, but they are interested in the front range schools in the MWC that they share a common culture. MWC have the better axademics profile than the WAC.

(01-21-2021 02:36 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 02:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 02:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 01:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 12:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Big Sky made their expansion to make sure that their members didn’t leave for FBS and none of the Great West fb schools did either.

If any of the schools involved wanted to move to FBS and were capable of doing so, I don't see how a Big Sky membership or an offer thereof would have prevented a move to FBS. I think that even if any of the western FCS schools had FBS aspirations, they saw that the WAC was a sinking ship and weren't willing to risk boarding it.

That's right. The former Big Sky commissioner was full of himself and tried to sell the media his load of crap that he defeated the WAC or whatever. The truth was that Montana and friends were not interested in the WAC in the first place, and that would have remained true regardless of the Big Sky adding new members or anything else that the Big Sky commissioner did.

The Montana’s didn’t want to move up, but they didn’t want anyone else to consider the move, as an outpouring of Western FCS programs to the WAC would jeopardize the stability of the Big Sky, where they were planted and intended to stay.

At one point, only 4 schools were needed to join Idaho, NMSU, SJSU, and Utah St and save WAC football. Had they gotten the 4 they needed then, then I think they could have found 2 more when SJSU and Utah St got their MWC invitations. The 3 CA, 2 Montana’s, and someone else would have given them the pieces they needed.

But for an individual FCS institution, moving to FBS based on the supposition that several other independent institutions would also be moving up is risky. That's why no one moved up (except Texas State and UTSA, which had more options than the mountain and Pacific schools) -- they didn't want to make the commitment only to have the WAC fall apart underneath them.

Lamar wanted to move with UTSA and Texas State. The questin then if Lamar got invited to the WAC then? Would they be in the SBC as the number 13 school?

(01-21-2021 04:54 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 02:36 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 02:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 02:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 01:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  If any of the schools involved wanted to move to FBS and were capable of doing so, I don't see how a Big Sky membership or an offer thereof would have prevented a move to FBS. I think that even if any of the western FCS schools had FBS aspirations, they saw that the WAC was a sinking ship and weren't willing to risk boarding it.

That's right. The former Big Sky commissioner was full of himself and tried to sell the media his load of crap that he defeated the WAC or whatever. The truth was that Montana and friends were not interested in the WAC in the first place, and that would have remained true regardless of the Big Sky adding new members or anything else that the Big Sky commissioner did.

The Montana’s didn’t want to move up, but they didn’t want anyone else to consider the move, as an outpouring of Western FCS programs to the WAC would jeopardize the stability of the Big Sky, where they were planted and intended to stay.

At one point, only 4 schools were needed to join Idaho, NMSU, SJSU, and Utah St and save WAC football. Had they gotten the 4 they needed then, then I think they could have found 2 more when SJSU and Utah St got their MWC invitations. The 3 CA, 2 Montana’s, and someone else would have given them the pieces they needed.

But for an individual FCS institution, moving to FBS based on the supposition that several other independent institutions would also be moving up is risky. That's why no one moved up (except Texas State and UTSA, which had more options than the mountain and Pacific schools) -- they didn't want to make the commitment only to have the WAC fall apart underneath them.

Lamar wanted to move with UTSA and Texas State. The questin then if Lamar got invited to the WAC then? Would they be in the SBC as the number 13 school?

No. Otherwise the SBC would've invited them anyway if they wanted them. Whats the difference between 2011 Lamar in the SLC and 2012 Lamar after being in the WAC for a year? There isnt much of one if at all save for a year of FBS experience.

(01-21-2021 04:54 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 02:36 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 02:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 02:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 01:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  If any of the schools involved wanted to move to FBS and were capable of doing so, I don't see how a Big Sky membership or an offer thereof would have prevented a move to FBS. I think that even if any of the western FCS schools had FBS aspirations, they saw that the WAC was a sinking ship and weren't willing to risk boarding it.

That's right. The former Big Sky commissioner was full of himself and tried to sell the media his load of crap that he defeated the WAC or whatever. The truth was that Montana and friends were not interested in the WAC in the first place, and that would have remained true regardless of the Big Sky adding new members or anything else that the Big Sky commissioner did.

The Montana’s didn’t want to move up, but they didn’t want anyone else to consider the move, as an outpouring of Western FCS programs to the WAC would jeopardize the stability of the Big Sky, where they were planted and intended to stay.

At one point, only 4 schools were needed to join Idaho, NMSU, SJSU, and Utah St and save WAC football. Had they gotten the 4 they needed then, then I think they could have found 2 more when SJSU and Utah St got their MWC invitations. The 3 CA, 2 Montana’s, and someone else would have given them the pieces they needed.

But for an individual FCS institution, moving to FBS based on the supposition that several other independent institutions would also be moving up is risky. That's why no one moved up (except Texas State and UTSA, which had more options than the mountain and Pacific schools) -- they didn't want to make the commitment only to have the WAC fall apart underneath them.

Lamar wanted to move with UTSA and Texas State. The questin then if Lamar got invited to the WAC then? Would they be in the SBC as the number 13 school?

Had Lamar joined the WAC for 2011, today they’d be in the SBC today at the expense of CCU.

The previous Big Sky commissioner, Fullerton, had once stated in an article that he thought the FBS schools not in the Pac-12 and MW should have joined the Big Sky. Sadly I don't have access to the article any more. That was part of the reason he did anything possible to keep his schools from moving up.

It's too bad the Montana schools and a few others didn't make the jump to the WAC. Because now North Dakota State fans are stalking the Mt West board so badly begging for an invite that some of the posters there are about to take out a restraining order. NDSU could have petitioned the Montana schools for an invite to the WAC later on to finally get to FBS.

(01-21-2021 05:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 04:54 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 02:36 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 02:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 02:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  That's right. The former Big Sky commissioner was full of himself and tried to sell the media his load of crap that he defeated the WAC or whatever. The truth was that Montana and friends were not interested in the WAC in the first place, and that would have remained true regardless of the Big Sky adding new members or anything else that the Big Sky commissioner did.

The Montana’s didn’t want to move up, but they didn’t want anyone else to consider the move, as an outpouring of Western FCS programs to the WAC would jeopardize the stability of the Big Sky, where they were planted and intended to stay.

At one point, only 4 schools were needed to join Idaho, NMSU, SJSU, and Utah St and save WAC football. Had they gotten the 4 they needed then, then I think they could have found 2 more when SJSU and Utah St got their MWC invitations. The 3 CA, 2 Montana’s, and someone else would have given them the pieces they needed.

But for an individual FCS institution, moving to FBS based on the supposition that several other independent institutions would also be moving up is risky. That's why no one moved up (except Texas State and UTSA, which had more options than the mountain and Pacific schools) -- they didn't want to make the commitment only to have the WAC fall apart underneath them.

Lamar wanted to move with UTSA and Texas State. The questin then if Lamar got invited to the WAC then? Would they be in the SBC as the number 13 school?

Had Lamar joined the WAC for 2011, today they’d be in the SBC today at the expense of CCU.

Lamar was only in their first or second year of playing football again, so I'm not sure that any of this is realistic. They were an Indy for a year before they joined the Southland again.

For the record UTRGV is merely continuing studying whether to start FCS football. No letter of intent was signed as incorrectly stated in the article that started this. The WAC however provides a path forward and they are looking at it, "but nothing is quite yet imminent" according to a source for KRGV 5 Sports Director Alex Del Barrio.

https://www.progresstimes.net/2021/01/14...niversity/

So the WAC is at 6 not 7. And also I think it could well be a good long wait for the 14th school, as in more than two years down the road.

WAC is at 7 for football.

SHSU
SFA
Lamar
Abilene Christian
Tarleton St
Dixie St
Southern Utah

UTGRV would be #8. The 14th school would take football to 9 and allow for 4 home and 4 road league game schedules.

(01-23-2021 03:08 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  For the record UTRGV is merely continuing studying whether to start FCS football. No letter of intent was signed as incorrectly stated in the article that started this. The WAC however provides a path forward and they are looking at it, "but nothing is quite yet imminent" according to a source for KRGV 5 Sports Director Alex Del Barrio.

https://www.progresstimes.net/2021/01/14...niversity/

So the WAC is at 6 not 7. And also I think it could well be a good long wait for the 14th school, as in more than two years down the road.

Right. UTRGV's "commitment" is even less meaningful than a typical politician's campaign promises.

(01-23-2021 08:41 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  WAC is at 7 for football.

SHSU
SFA
Lamar
Abilene Christian
Tarleton St
Dixie St
Southern Utah

UTGRV would be #8. The 14th school would take football to 9 and allow for 4 home and 4 road league game schedules.

But only 5 not in the probationary period. They could use one more Div. I school.

The odds on fave for the other team is west texas a&m who hasn't begun the D1 process. However, I could see an FCS conference once everyone even gets to the FCS level. But even that will be after the next CFP layout negotiations, so I don't see how FBS is on anyone's minds.

The new schools coming from the southland insist that FBS is going to happen for them. Perhaps, but it most likely won't be with the current WAC lineup. Tarleton, who hasnt played a D1 game yet has plenty of fans who say they are headed to FBS. If the WAC is able to parlay the east texas 3's joining into getting existing FBS members to join (unlikely) an FBS WAC could happen sometime after a decade from now.

But most likely, these new schools won't stick around, they'll storm out mad and say that the WAC didn't do this or that right and move on, when spots open up in the depleted Sun belt or C USA leagues that will occur after the next round of realignment.
And that has been their plan all along. They don't want to be in the WAC at all. As soon as they catch on to what we all know (the FBS WAC isn't happening) they'll move on. They burned their bridge to the Southland since it was an 8-0 vote to expel the 4 immediately instead of the proposed timeline. From the way they appear trying to bully the current WAC, it will probably be a similar vote on their way out of the WAC.

(01-24-2021 12:59 AM)Todor Wrote:  The odds on fave for the other team is west texas a&m who hasn't begun the D1 process. However, I could see an FCS conference once everyone even gets to the FCS level. But even that will be after the next CFP layout negotiations, so I don't see how FBS is on anyone's minds.

The new schools coming from the southland insist that FBS is going to happen for them. Perhaps, but it most likely won't be with the current WAC lineup. Tarleton, who hasnt played a D1 game yet has plenty of fans who say they are headed to FBS. If the WAC is able to parlay the east texas 3's joining into getting existing FBS members to join (unlikely) an FBS WAC could happen sometime after a decade from now.

But most likely, these new schools won't stick around, they'll storm out mad and say that the WAC didn't do this or that right and move on, when spots open up in the depleted Sun belt or C USA leagues that will occur after the next round of realignment.
And that has been their plan all along. They don't want to be in the WAC at all. As soon as they catch on to what we all know (the FBS WAC isn't happening) they'll move on. They burned their bridge to the Southland since it was an 8-0 vote to expel the 4 immediately instead of the proposed timeline. From the way they appear trying to bully the current WAC, it will probably be a similar vote on their way out of the WAC.

^ This guy knows where it's at.

(01-24-2021 01:53 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 12:59 AM)Todor Wrote:  The odds on fave for the other team is west texas a&m who hasn't begun the D1 process. However, I could see an FCS conference once everyone even gets to the FCS level. But even that will be after the next CFP layout negotiations, so I don't see how FBS is on anyone's minds.

The new schools coming from the southland insist that FBS is going to happen for them. Perhaps, but it most likely won't be with the current WAC lineup. Tarleton, who hasnt played a D1 game yet has plenty of fans who say they are headed to FBS. If the WAC is able to parlay the east texas 3's joining into getting existing FBS members to join (unlikely) an FBS WAC could happen sometime after a decade from now.

But most likely, these new schools won't stick around, they'll storm out mad and say that the WAC didn't do this or that right and move on, when spots open up in the depleted Sun belt or C USA leagues that will occur after the next round of realignment.
And that has been their plan all along. They don't want to be in the WAC at all. As soon as they catch on to what we all know (the FBS WAC isn't happening) they'll move on. They burned their bridge to the Southland since it was an 8-0 vote to expel the 4 immediately instead of the proposed timeline. From the way they appear trying to bully the current WAC, it will probably be a similar vote on their way out of the WAC.

^ This guy knows where it's at.

Thanks, but its not exactly hard to predict the end of this farce... What do they say in texas--something like "all hat, no cattle?" 4-5 years max and 3, if not all will be gone. And not FBS either.

(01-24-2021 10:30 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 01:53 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 12:59 AM)Todor Wrote:  The odds on fave for the other team is west texas a&m who hasn't begun the D1 process. However, I could see an FCS conference once everyone even gets to the FCS level. But even that will be after the next CFP layout negotiations, so I don't see how FBS is on anyone's minds.

The new schools coming from the southland insist that FBS is going to happen for them. Perhaps, but it most likely won't be with the current WAC lineup. Tarleton, who hasnt played a D1 game yet has plenty of fans who say they are headed to FBS. If the WAC is able to parlay the east texas 3's joining into getting existing FBS members to join (unlikely) an FBS WAC could happen sometime after a decade from now.

But most likely, these new schools won't stick around, they'll storm out mad and say that the WAC didn't do this or that right and move on, when spots open up in the depleted Sun belt or C USA leagues that will occur after the next round of realignment.
And that has been their plan all along. They don't want to be in the WAC at all. As soon as they catch on to what we all know (the FBS WAC isn't happening) they'll move on. They burned their bridge to the Southland since it was an 8-0 vote to expel the 4 immediately instead of the proposed timeline. From the way they appear trying to bully the current WAC, it will probably be a similar vote on their way out of the WAC.

^ This guy knows where it's at.

Thanks, but its not exactly hard to predict the end of this farce... What do they say in texas--something like "all hat, no cattle?" 4-5 years max and 3, if not all will be gone. And not FBS either.

You're making a big assumption that they'll have somewhere to go. Odds are very liw that more than 1 is FBS within 10 years. I think Abilene Christian and Southern Utah and at all east 2 of the east Texas schools are in the WAC for a long, long time.

And if not FBS, there's not a lot of other places to go. Maaaaybe the FCS ASUN?

(01-24-2021 11:14 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 10:30 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 01:53 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 12:59 AM)Todor Wrote:  The odds on fave for the other team is west texas a&m who hasn't begun the D1 process. However, I could see an FCS conference once everyone even gets to the FCS level. But even that will be after the next CFP layout negotiations, so I don't see how FBS is on anyone's minds.

The new schools coming from the southland insist that FBS is going to happen for them. Perhaps, but it most likely won't be with the current WAC lineup. Tarleton, who hasnt played a D1 game yet has plenty of fans who say they are headed to FBS. If the WAC is able to parlay the east texas 3's joining into getting existing FBS members to join (unlikely) an FBS WAC could happen sometime after a decade from now.

But most likely, these new schools won't stick around, they'll storm out mad and say that the WAC didn't do this or that right and move on, when spots open up in the depleted Sun belt or C USA leagues that will occur after the next round of realignment.
And that has been their plan all along. They don't want to be in the WAC at all. As soon as they catch on to what we all know (the FBS WAC isn't happening) they'll move on. They burned their bridge to the Southland since it was an 8-0 vote to expel the 4 immediately instead of the proposed timeline. From the way they appear trying to bully the current WAC, it will probably be a similar vote on their way out of the WAC.

^ This guy knows where it's at.

Thanks, but its not exactly hard to predict the end of this farce... What do they say in texas--something like "all hat, no cattle?" 4-5 years max and 3, if not all will be gone. And not FBS either.

You're making a big assumption that they'll have somewhere to go. Odds are very liw that more than 1 is FBS within 10 years. I think Abilene Christian and Southern Utah and at all east 2 of the east Texas schools are in the WAC for a long, long time.

And if not FBS, there's not a lot of other places to go. Maaaaybe the FCS ASUN?

No one thought the WAC was a legit option for them until it happened, im sure they can find a new conference when they become unhappy with the WAC. Im sure the Southland will be desperate enough to swallow their pride and let them back in.

(01-24-2021 12:03 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 11:14 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 10:30 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 01:53 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-24-2021 12:59 AM)Todor Wrote:  The odds on fave for the other team is west texas a&m who hasn't begun the D1 process. However, I could see an FCS conference once everyone even gets to the FCS level. But even that will be after the next CFP layout negotiations, so I don't see how FBS is on anyone's minds.

The new schools coming from the southland insist that FBS is going to happen for them. Perhaps, but it most likely won't be with the current WAC lineup. Tarleton, who hasnt played a D1 game yet has plenty of fans who say they are headed to FBS. If the WAC is able to parlay the east texas 3's joining into getting existing FBS members to join (unlikely) an FBS WAC could happen sometime after a decade from now.

But most likely, these new schools won't stick around, they'll storm out mad and say that the WAC didn't do this or that right and move on, when spots open up in the depleted Sun belt or C USA leagues that will occur after the next round of realignment.
And that has been their plan all along. They don't want to be in the WAC at all. As soon as they catch on to what we all know (the FBS WAC isn't happening) they'll move on. They burned their bridge to the Southland since it was an 8-0 vote to expel the 4 immediately instead of the proposed timeline. From the way they appear trying to bully the current WAC, it will probably be a similar vote on their way out of the WAC.

^ This guy knows where it's at.

Thanks, but its not exactly hard to predict the end of this farce... What do they say in texas--something like "all hat, no cattle?" 4-5 years max and 3, if not all will be gone. And not FBS either.

You're making a big assumption that they'll have somewhere to go. Odds are very liw that more than 1 is FBS within 10 years. I think Abilene Christian and Southern Utah and at all east 2 of the east Texas schools are in the WAC for a long, long time.

And if not FBS, there's not a lot of other places to go. Maaaaybe the FCS ASUN?

No one thought the WAC was a legit option for them until it happened, im sure they can find a new conference when they become unhappy with the WAC. Im sure the Southland will be desperate enough to swallow their pride and let them back in.

Some have been suspecting they are going to maneuver the schools they don't like anymore out of the Southland. A reverse coup. We'll come back if you get rid of... Exactly like they did with the WAC and Chicago State. Using their strength as a group as a position of power, which is smart, but shady and is not going to work in the long run (at least not very well).

Stephen F Austin had to give up their victories in many sports, including basketball -- like their NCAA tournament appearances and win, conference championships etc, for violations that went on for at least 7 years. You'd think they would be more interested in the internal affairs they have failed miserably at managing.

In the NCAA Academic Progress Report, Stephen F. Austin’s men’s basketball team had the lowest score of any team in Division I at 810 and its football program was also one of six other Division I teams nationwide that fell below 900 at 894.

This is whole bizarre move has begun to look more like a cluster .... than it did when it was first rumored.

(01-23-2021 09:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-23-2021 08:41 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  WAC is at 7 for football.

SHSU
SFA
Lamar
Abilene Christian
Tarleton St
Dixie St
Southern Utah

UTGRV would be #8. The 14th school would take football to 9 and allow for 4 home and 4 road league game schedules.

But only 5 not in the probationary period. They could use one more Div. I school.

Not true. Both Dixie State and Tarleton State will count as D-I opponents in '21, as they will have already completed their second and first transitions years respectively. Only the first year doesn't count as D-I opponent. This is why many transitioning schools play an Independent schedule the first year, with as many D-II (home) as D-I (road) opponents.

So the WAC will have 6 counting schools in '21, enough for conference AQ, although only 4 will be post season eligible. In '22 it will be 7 schools with 5 eligible, with 6 eligible in '23 (Dixie), and all 7 in '24 (Tarleton).

It really doesn't matter, as whomever has the best record the first two years will certainly get a playoff berth, whether at-large or AQ.