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(03-17-2021 12:07 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Hearing from my Boston-area sources that we're after UMass transfer SG Carl Pierre. Coach Pera and Coach Glasser are both following him on Twitter so that squares.

https://umassathletics.com/sports/mens-b...erre/12057

He was teammates with Travis Evee in HS (one year older than him).

Given that we don't have a scholarship available right now, hope it doesn't mean that we are losing Quincy Olivari or Chris Mullins.

I may have had inside info on this one 03-wink.

Hopefully we see a lot more of this next year.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2016/12/17/...bch-rolls/

Funny-Mike Vasil, who’s the forward referenced in that article, is a 1st round pitching prospect this year. Wish we had him on the mound!
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Fantastic! A guard with a 36% field goal percentage, 71% from the line, and 1.8 assists per game! How will opponents ever stop that?
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(04-01-2021 12:33 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Fantastic! A guard with a 36% field goal percentage, 71% from the line, and 1.8 assists per game! How will opponents ever stop that?

First off, he's a shooter. The expectation is that Mullins, Hutchins(?), McBride(?), and Lawrence(?) are gonna be the lead guards. Second off, he shot 47% from 3 in his freshman year on a lot of attempts. You sign guys based off of ability and potential, even when they're seniors. Drew Peterson shot 30% and 33% from 3 in his freshman and sophomore years respectively. I'm sure USC fans were saying the same thing as you are. But the USC coaching staff dramatically changed his release, and he shot 39% this year.

Rice is most definitely not a program that can look at a kid from the Atlantic 10 who averages 10+ ppg, and was team captain, and say he's a bad pick up.
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(04-01-2021 12:38 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 12:33 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Fantastic! A guard with a 36% field goal percentage, 71% from the line, and 1.8 assists per game! How will opponents ever stop that?

First off, he's a shooter. The expectation is that Mullins, Hutchins(?), McBride(?), and Lawrence(?) are gonna be the lead guards. Second off, he shot 47% from 3 in his freshman year on a lot of attempts. You sign guys based off of ability and potential, even when they're seniors. Drew Peterson shot 30% and 33% from 3 in his freshman and sophomore years respectively. I'm sure USC fans were saying the same thing as you are. But the USC coaching staff dramatically changed his release, and he shot 39% this year.

Rice is most definitely not a program that can look at a kid from the Atlantic 10 who averages 10+ ppg, and was team captain, and say he's a bad pick up.

That's not a red flag - about Rice's coaching?
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@elw4796 Does this mean (in order to fit under the scholarship cap) we're expecting an additional departure from the roster?
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(04-01-2021 12:56 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  @elw4796 Does this mean (in order to fit under the scholarship cap) we're expecting an additional departure from the roster?

I don't think so. I think Pierre is a senior, meaning he doesn't count against the scholarship limit. Same for McBride (who I'm guessing is still coming). Assuming that's the case, we have 12 players definitely on the roster next year with Lawrence, if he signs, as the 13th. So our roster will technically be 15, 13 with Pierre and McBride not counting.
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(04-01-2021 01:33 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 12:56 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  @elw4796 Does this mean (in order to fit under the scholarship cap) we're expecting an additional departure from the roster?

I don't think so. I think Pierre is a senior, meaning he doesn't count against the scholarship limit. Same for McBride (who I'm guessing is still coming). Assuming that's the case, we have 12 players definitely on the roster next year with Lawrence, if he signs, as the 13th. So our roster will technically be 15, 13 with Pierre and McBride not counting.

Pierre is a senior. For some reason, I thought if you transferred schools you counted against their scholarship cap.

Thanks for the clarification.
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(04-01-2021 01:49 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 01:33 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 12:56 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  @elw4796 Does this mean (in order to fit under the scholarship cap) we're expecting an additional departure from the roster?

I don't think so. I think Pierre is a senior, meaning he doesn't count against the scholarship limit. Same for McBride (who I'm guessing is still coming). Assuming that's the case, we have 12 players definitely on the roster next year with Lawrence, if he signs, as the 13th. So our roster will technically be 15, 13 with Pierre and McBride not counting.

Pierre is a senior. For some reason, I thought if you transferred schools you counted against their scholarship cap.

Thanks for the clarification.

You actually might be right. I've been trying to find a definitive rule, but a San Diego Tribune article says that a transferring senior still counts against the limit.

Which would (1) mean we'd definitely have to shed two players, and (2) that the staff already knows who because they wouldn't be recruiting over the limit if they didn't know who was already leaving.
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The Final 4 isn’t finished yet and we have already seen over 1,140 players hit the transfer portal. The last couple of years that number has been closer to 1,025 (last year) and 990 (two years ago). This includes 2 from La Tech, 2 from UTSA, 3 from North Texas and 4 from UTEP. This is going to be one crazy off-season.
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Here's who Pera has recruited to Rice (I'm not going to bother to check on that 1st class if it was a Pera recruit or a Rhoades recruit). My comments follow just on their sheer talent and ability.
2017-18
Dylan Jones - grad transfer from Penn
Miles Lester
Malik Osborne
Najia Hunter
Josh Parrish - sit out transfer from TCU

I actually think Osborne might have been a Rhoades early signee? Anyway, he was the class of this group. Parrish was a good signee. Hunter was good at Rice but probably not fit for the school academically. Jones and Lester were very late signings and both were what I would classify as misses (Jones stayed two years and gave us some minutes up front when we needed it).

2018-19
freshman group of Moore, Murphy, Peterson, Mullin and Millora-Brown
Jack Williams - grad transfer

This was an outstanding class, probably in retrospect one of Rice's top classes in the past 30-40 years.

2019-20
Quincy Olivari
Max Fiedler
Zach Crisler
Tommy McCarthy - grad transfer from Harvard
Malik Ondigo - regular transfer from Texas Tech

Again a really good class, although McCarthy was a miss. And Ondigo still gets an incomplete grade.

2020-21
Hutchins, Lieppert, Havsa and Clark (grad transfers), Evee and Abercrombie (traditional transfers who didn't have to sit out), Poteat, Sheffield

Huge class necessitated by our defections. But honestly, a pretty good job especially when one considers most of the late recruiting was done in the Covid world of zoom visits. It's still too early to judge Hutchins, but without him, I'd rate this as a solid group but not as impressive as the two previous classes.

The point of this is criticize Pera for his in-game coaching, or his ability to keep the good players at Rice. But questioning his ability to evaluate talent is a big stretch. He's a 6-4 guard starting for an A-10 team that had a winning record in conference play, and had better stats than Clark and Havsa. I'm pretty sure he can be a factor for the Owls.
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(04-01-2021 04:12 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Here's who Pera has recruited to Rice (I'm not going to bother to check on that 1st class if it was a Pera recruit or a Rhoades recruit). My comments follow just on their sheer talent and ability.
2017-18
Dylan Jones - grad transfer from Penn
Miles Lester
Malik Osborne
Najia Hunter
Josh Parrish - sit out transfer from TCU

I actually think Osborne might have been a Rhoades early signee? Anyway, he was the class of this group. Parrish was a good signee. Hunter was good at Rice but probably not fit for the school academically. Jones and Lester were very late signings and both were what I would classify as misses (Jones stayed two years and gave us some minutes up front when we needed it).

2018-19
freshman group of Moore, Murphy, Peterson, Mullin and Millora-Brown
Jack Williams - grad transfer

This was an outstanding class, probably in retrospect one of Rice's top classes in the past 30-40 years.

2019-20
Quincy Olivari
Max Fiedler
Zach Crisler
Tommy McCarthy - grad transfer from Harvard
Malik Ondigo - regular transfer from Texas Tech

Again a really good class, although McCarthy was a miss. And Ondigo still gets an incomplete grade.

2020-21
Hutchins, Lieppert, Havsa and Clark (grad transfers), Evee and Abercrombie (traditional transfers who didn't have to sit out), Poteat, Sheffield

Huge class necessitated by our defections. But honestly, a pretty good job especially when one considers most of the late recruiting was done in the Covid world of zoom visits. It's still too early to judge Hutchins, but without him, I'd rate this as a solid group but not as impressive as the two previous classes.

The point of this is criticize Pera for his in-game coaching, or his ability to keep the good players at Rice. But questioning his ability to evaluate talent is a big stretch. He's a 6-4 guard starting for an A-10 team that had a winning record in conference play, and had better stats than Clark and Havsa. I'm pretty sure he can be a factor for the Owls.

I think it's a bit more complex. While his recruiting generally speaking is pretty good, there's an argument to be made that he struggles getting impact big men and point guards, which in turn impacts his ability to coach.

His ability to find talented off-ball guards and wings is undisputed: Evee, Olivari, Sheffield, Murphy, Peterson, Mullins, Hunter, and Parrish were all very good additions. But apart from that, I think the jury is still out. While QMB and Fiedler are both really talented big men, they leave a lot on the table defensively. Now Poteat has shown real promise (I think), and Ondigo could still be an impact guy, but at best I think the jury is still out when it comes to finding big men. One of the reasons for that? These are our ranks on defensive FG% on shots taken at the rim over the past four years: 231 (2021), 346 (2020), 341 (2019), 287 (2018). We are pretty consistently awful at defending the paint, and that's at least partially attributable to recruiting.

As for PGs, I think Pera's record is worse. Lester was a last minute addition who provided a bit off the bench. McCarthy didn't do much. Moore made the occasional big plays, and was serviceable off the bench. Havsa drove us all mad, but also had some important stretches. Hutchins, I have massively high hopes for. But as a whole? Hoo boy, that's not great. It maybe gets a bit better if you want to include Hunter, but I think he was more a 2 than 1. Now you can make an argument that this doesn't matter. Pera's system isn't necessarily designed for a true point guard. But I think you saw the impact of not having that go-to primary handler when we played the likes of UNT and La Tech, who were able to shut down our perimeter game.

This is all a long way of saying, coaching and recruiting go hand-in-hand. I think Pera still has some growing to do on the coaching side, but I also don't think he makes his own job easier (see sacrificing interior defense for big men who can pass and run offense).

And, that said, Pierre is still a great addition. I think he'll thrive in our offense and take the stress off of some of the other guys. Fiedler banging down low with Evee, Olivari, and Pierre as options on the perimeter could be lethal.
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(04-02-2021 12:38 AM)NYNightOwl Wrote:  https://www.berkshireeagle.com/sports/lo...bae26.html

Pierre definitely works at his academics - in 4 years (from the article):

Quote:Pierre, who leaves UMass with not only his name all over the UMass record book, also leaves Amherst with his undergraduate and Masters degrees from the school.

I'm curious what he'll be working on next.
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(04-02-2021 07:12 AM)gsloth Wrote:  
(04-02-2021 12:38 AM)NYNightOwl Wrote:  https://www.berkshireeagle.com/sports/lo...bae26.html

Pierre definitely works at his academics - in 4 years (from the article):

Quote:Pierre, who leaves UMass with not only his name all over the UMass record book, also leaves Amherst with his undergraduate and Masters degrees from the school.

I'm curious what he'll be working on next.

An NCAA tournament appearance would be my guess.
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(04-02-2021 07:15 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(04-02-2021 07:12 AM)gsloth Wrote:  
(04-02-2021 12:38 AM)NYNightOwl Wrote:  https://www.berkshireeagle.com/sports/lo...bae26.html

Pierre definitely works at his academics - in 4 years (from the article):

Quote:Pierre, who leaves UMass with not only his name all over the UMass record book, also leaves Amherst with his undergraduate and Masters degrees from the school.

I'm curious what he'll be working on next.

An NCAA tournament appearance would be my guess.


A “PhD” in Pretty Heady Dreams? That definitely sounds like some ‘March Madness’ right there!!!
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As a rule, Division I men's basketball three point percentage falls between 34.0 and 34.9 percent. Pierre, at 33 percent, was below average last season.

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(04-02-2021 09:51 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  As a rule, Division I men's basketball three point percentage falls between 34.0 and 34.9 percent. Pierre, at 33 percent, was below average last season.

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I get it that you’re not high on Pierre.

Even if he isn’t the next Klay Thompson, I fail to see how he’s, in any way, a detriment to the 2021-22 Rice team.

He’s certainly a better player than Havsa or Clark. So... If you’re replacing your 7th and 8th players with a better player, your team has gotten stronger.
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(04-02-2021 09:51 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  As a rule, Division I men's basketball three point percentage falls between 34.0 and 34.9 percent. Pierre, at 33 percent, was below average last season.

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Over four years, Pierre had a three point percentage of 38%, well above the range you list. The trend has not been great: 47% freshman year to 33% senior year; I guess you could conclude that he has become less talented over time. But it also seems possible that his first year playing in CUSA will be more similar to his first year playing the the Atlantic 10.
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(04-02-2021 10:18 AM)temchugh Wrote:  
(04-02-2021 09:51 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  As a rule, Division I men's basketball three point percentage falls between 34.0 and 34.9 percent. Pierre, at 33 percent, was below average last season.

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Over four years, Pierre had a three point percentage of 38%, well above the range you list. The trend has not been great: 47% freshman year to 33% senior year; I guess you could conclude that he has become less talented over time. But it also seems possible that his first year playing in CUSA will be more similar to his first year playing the the Atlantic 10.

Maybe he got worse, maybe other things changed, like his team or the competition's defenses.

Well, they are going to change again next year.
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(04-02-2021 10:18 AM)temchugh Wrote:  
(04-02-2021 09:51 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  As a rule, Division I men's basketball three point percentage falls between 34.0 and 34.9 percent. Pierre, at 33 percent, was below average last season.

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Over four years, Pierre had a three point percentage of 38%, well above the range you list. The trend has not been great: 47% freshman year to 33% senior year; I guess you could conclude that he has become less talented over time. But it also seems possible that his first year playing in CUSA will be more similar to his first year playing the the Atlantic 10.

I will agree that team make-up and offensive strategy can impact shooting effectiveness. The one thing that jumps out to me is actually how his FT shooting fluctuated from year to year - not a huge number of free throw attempts (about 1.5 per game, on average, though it was almost 2 per game his junior year), so a somewhat small sample size. But one that I think is still valid.

(in order, 3 point percentage, free throw percentage)
Freshman 47.2% 81.8%
Sophomore 38.1% 70.2%
Junior 33.5% 84.5%
Senior 33.3% 70.7%

There's a decent shooter in there. Can Rice's scheme get him back to being comfortable? We will have to see.

And I'm not sure if there's going to be many better options available on the transfer portal. A lot of it is guess work. But it is still early.
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