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Miller Kopp out of Northwestern is in the transfer portal. I think his brother who plays at Lamar is also transferring. They're both Houston kids (their younger brother is going to UH as a QB in the fall). The Northwestern player would be a good get for us but this is one of those rare years we don't have any scholarships. I'd think UH would be in the mix, along with some other Texas programs.

Another local Houston player who is transferring schools is Zach Nutall out of Sam Houston State. He was the Southland Conference player of the year this past season as a junior.

We are losing a coach apparently. Vince Alexander is going to be named the new head coach of the Clayton State Lakers (D2 program). He's done a nice job for us, but he's a former head coach at the D2 level and it was obvious we weren't going to keep him as an assistant forever.
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(03-25-2021 06:05 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Another local Houston player who is transferring schools is Zach Nutall out of Sam Houston State. He was the Southland Conference player of the year this past season as a junior.

He will be snapped up by a high level P5 program.
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Lon Kruger is retiring at OU. Wonder if we could “recruit” Carlin Hartman back to Rice to fill Alexander’s place on the staff.
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(03-25-2021 04:53 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Lon Kruger is retiring at OU. Wonder if we could “recruit” Carlin Hartman back to Rice to fill Alexander’s place on the staff.

More likely that Hartman is the next head coach at Oklahoma. He's really good, both in recruiting and coaching. If not at Oklahoma, he'll be a power conference HC soon.
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(03-25-2021 04:55 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  
(03-25-2021 04:53 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Lon Kruger is retiring at OU. Wonder if we could “recruit” Carlin Hartman back to Rice to fill Alexander’s place on the staff.

More likely that Hartman is the next head coach at Oklahoma. He's really good, both in recruiting and coaching. If not at Oklahoma, he'll be a power conference HC soon.

I doubt he’ll be the next OU HC. He doesn’t have much power conference experience outside of OU and didn’t have the “associate head coach” title at OU.

But yeah, I thought he was good at Rice.
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Add 2022 PF Elijah Saunders to the offer list. 6-8 out of Scottsdale. Wouldn't call him chunky, but he's a rare stretch 4 who isn't skinny. Shot mechanics look a bit weird - a bit long with a low release point. But he makes shots, so not sure how much of a worry that is. Looks fairly mobile, capable of attacking off the dribble.
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(03-24-2021 09:55 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  A few other offers sent out tonight:

2022 CG Brian (BB) Knight. My thoughts after seeing two minutes of his highlights: I want him. Local kid who goes to school in Katy. Only one offer from Oral Roberts (that might as well be a giant stamp of approval given the play of Abmas and Obanor in the tournament). He's the kind of guy whose tape you watch and you immediately ask why he doesn't have more offers (it's possible he's been injured). 6-6 with NBA range. Looks like he has a good handle for his size, is decently athletic, and moves pretty fluidly. At worst you see him fitting in smoothly as a catch and shoot option. At best you can see the potential for a kid who's 6-7, can handle like a lead guard, and who's got range for days. I am admittedly awful at talent evaluation, and his lack of offers probably means something. But at least in my eyes, there's something there.

2022 SF Arop Arop. Out of Dallas, only other offer is from Howard. Long and lean might be an understatement. He is *very* skinny and *very* long. Like one of those guys whose arms don't quite look real. And, maybe even more so than Knight, it's obvious that this is a kid with absurd potential if properly developed. For his size and stature, he looks to have a more than serviceable handle. His shot mechanics look good. And you can't teach his body. I would not be at all surprised if he has a power conference offer soon.*

My summary: I would take either of these guys in a heartbeat.

* Oh boy, awful timing. He received an offer from Vanderbilt 5 minutes ago.

** Missed one. 2022 PF Robert Jennings. Out of DeSoto with offers from Houston and LSU, among others, and interest from Stanford. Physical four man who plays aggressively. Serviceable ability to shoot the deep ball. 247 projects him to eventually be a power-5 starter, for what it's worth. My lack of effusive praise is largely because there isn't much video I can find.

I can give more info BB. He is ONE HECK of a player. My son played with him several years back on the same AAU team. He is extremely athletic and has a very good build to him. He isn't a 6-6 bean pole, he has good girth to go with his length. His range is only going to get better and he already has deep 3 range. he avg 21 a game and was offensive mvp for his district(ironically he goes to same school as my boys...my oldest chose to not play basketball to focus on football but next year my youngest could be playing with him). he can score from all three levels and will dunk on you if you test him. has extremely good court vision and is without a doubt a scoring threat but isn't a ballhog I got to get my shots type kid. he's just that gifted and has put in that type of work, so he excels easily on the court. not only a physically gifted kid he is very basketball bright as well, his dad is an assistant coach for his hs school team and his god father is the head coach for another high school team in the area. he is an humble well spoken book smart kid as well. his grandmother is a teacher in my district at the admin level so he has a sound solid background to root him. rice would be BEYOND blessed to get this kid. he should be a full court press in recruiting.

if you ever want to see him in person he plays for the houston hoops aau team....they play in all the big tournaments here in houston and around the country. with ballertv you can patch and and take a look at him.
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Thing I just learned: Max Abmas, the Texas kid who's starring for Oral Roberts in the NCAA tournament, and averaged 24.5 ppg, has a 3.70 GPA in biomedical chemistry. Was National Honors Society in high school with a very good GPA. Only offers were from Army, Navy, and Air Force. Had Ivy League interest, but no offers every materialized. It's impossible for the staff to know of *every* single Texas kid with decent academics, but boy that's a missed opportunity.
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Another Houston kid still playing in the tournament is Warith Alatishe (out of Westside HS). He played two years at Nicholls State and then transferred to OSU. He had a double double in their win over Loyola.

We saw Oregon State not too long ago at Tudor. I'm not sure if anyone playing today played in that game but I do remember Coach Tinkle and his son, plus I know their assistant coach (Stephen Thompson) had a couple of kids play at Oregon State - one of them leads them in scoring now.

They get the winner of Houston-Syracuse.
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(03-27-2021 09:59 AM)elw4796 Wrote:  Thing I just learned: Max Abmas, the Texas kid who's starring for Oral Roberts in the NCAA tournament, and averaged 24.5 ppg, has a 3.70 GPA in biomedical chemistry. Was National Honors Society in high school with a very good GPA. Only offers were from Army, Navy, and Air Force. Had Ivy League interest, but no offers every materialized. It's impossible for the staff to know of *every* single Texas kid with decent academics, but boy that's a missed opportunity.

This article (https://www.si.com/college/2021/03/27/ma...tournament) tells some of the reasons:

Quote:It’s not like those big programs never saw Abmas play. His AAU teammate Sam Freeman now plays at Minnesota and was recruited by the likes of Virginia Tech, TCU and Georgetown. Julius Marble, his high school teammate at Jesuit Dallas, was recruited by several high-majors before choosing Michigan State. Add in high-profile AAU events like the matchup against Anthony, and a lack of exposure wasn’t the issue.

The big problem, according to (Abmas’s AAU coach Kevin) Butler, was Abmas didn’t pass the “eye test” for most college coaches. On his Oral Roberts roster bio, Abmas is listed at 6’ 1” and a slender 165 pounds. His Rivals recruiting profile measures him at 5’ 11” and 160 pounds. Some coaches questioned if he was really a point guard or more of a scorer.

“He wasn’t 6’ 6”, he wasn’t jumping out of the gym. But at the end of the day, Max has an uncanny ability to play basketball at a high level,” Butler says. “The object is for you to put the ball in the basket and your team to win, and we had great success with Max.”

According to Abmas's father Troy, Max was always one of the shortest players his age growing up. But Max learned to thrive despite often being the shortest player on the floor from battles against his brother, who is three years older than him.

“He had to improvise and make things happen based on his skillset,” Troy says.
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(03-27-2021 08:29 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 09:59 AM)elw4796 Wrote:  Thing I just learned: Max Abmas, the Texas kid who's starring for Oral Roberts in the NCAA tournament, and averaged 24.5 ppg, has a 3.70 GPA in biomedical chemistry. Was National Honors Society in high school with a very good GPA. Only offers were from Army, Navy, and Air Force. Had Ivy League interest, but no offers every materialized. It's impossible for the staff to know of *every* single Texas kid with decent academics, but boy that's a missed opportunity.

This article (https://www.si.com/college/2021/03/27/ma...tournament) tells some of the reasons:

Quote:It’s not like those big programs never saw Abmas play. His AAU teammate Sam Freeman now plays at Minnesota and was recruited by the likes of Virginia Tech, TCU and Georgetown. Julius Marble, his high school teammate at Jesuit Dallas, was recruited by several high-majors before choosing Michigan State. Add in high-profile AAU events like the matchup against Anthony, and a lack of exposure wasn’t the issue.

The big problem, according to (Abmas’s AAU coach Kevin) Butler, was Abmas didn’t pass the “eye test” for most college coaches. On his Oral Roberts roster bio, Abmas is listed at 6’ 1” and a slender 165 pounds. His Rivals recruiting profile measures him at 5’ 11” and 160 pounds. Some coaches questioned if he was really a point guard or more of a scorer.

“He wasn’t 6’ 6”, he wasn’t jumping out of the gym. But at the end of the day, Max has an uncanny ability to play basketball at a high level,” Butler says. “The object is for you to put the ball in the basket and your team to win, and we had great success with Max.”

According to Abmas's father Troy, Max was always one of the shortest players his age growing up. But Max learned to thrive despite often being the shortest player on the floor from battles against his brother, who is three years older than him.

“He had to improvise and make things happen based on his skillset,” Troy says.

One of the stupidest parts of college recruiting. If you have a small kid who's both quick and can make shots from the logo, don't overthink it. Especially if you're a mid major program. A good enough coach will figure out how to work around size and defense. Can't remember the last time, apart from Marcus Evans, that Rice landed a truly explosive guard who can beat guys off the dribble. Still holding out hope for Hutchins.

No different than Steph Curry, CJ McCollum or Dame Lillard. Sometimes you just have to take a chance on a small skinny kid if he can score 30 a game in HS. The worst possible outcome is that you're working with 12 scholarships instead of 13 if he doesn't pan out. It goes back to having a unique philosophy. Rice can't win doing what everybody else does. Recruit the undersized point guard, recruit one or two really raw kids, try to find some under the radar kids internationally, etc.
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(03-27-2021 09:01 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  It goes back to having a unique philosophy. Rice can't win doing what everybody else does. Recruit the undersized point guard, recruit one or two really raw kids, try to find some under the radar kids internationally, etc.

We need to go back to Unconventional Wisdom in every sport. We need coaches and an AD who can take chances and not rely on “We did all the usual things” as an excuse.
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(03-28-2021 08:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 09:01 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  It goes back to having a unique philosophy. Rice can't win doing what everybody else does. Recruit the undersized point guard, recruit one or two really raw kids, try to find some under the radar kids internationally, etc.

We need to go back to Unconventional Wisdom in every sport. We need coaches and an AD who can take chances and not rely on “We did all the usual things” as an excuse.

To be fair Pera and his staff are the 1 major sport where I’d say our recruiting is working for sure. Just need to keep the kids around.
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(03-28-2021 03:01 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(03-28-2021 08:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 09:01 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  It goes back to having a unique philosophy. Rice can't win doing what everybody else does. Recruit the undersized point guard, recruit one or two really raw kids, try to find some under the radar kids internationally, etc.

We need to go back to Unconventional Wisdom in every sport. We need coaches and an AD who can take chances and not rely on “We did all the usual things” as an excuse.

To be fair Pera and his staff are the 1 major sport where I’d say our recruiting is working for sure. Just need to keep the kids around.

Just imagine if we had no transfers over the last 8-9 years......... Just makes me sick
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(03-28-2021 04:00 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  
(03-28-2021 03:01 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(03-28-2021 08:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 09:01 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  It goes back to having a unique philosophy. Rice can't win doing what everybody else does. Recruit the undersized point guard, recruit one or two really raw kids, try to find some under the radar kids internationally, etc.

We need to go back to Unconventional Wisdom in every sport. We need coaches and an AD who can take chances and not rely on “We did all the usual things” as an excuse.

To be fair Pera and his staff are the 1 major sport where I’d say our recruiting is working for sure. Just need to keep the kids around.

Just imagine if we had no transfers over the last 8-9 years......... Just makes me sick

We would be way over the scholarship limits.

Seriously, though, it is similar to the problem of keeping good coaches.

Agree that of the three major men's coaches, Pera is far and away the best.
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I can't find the original post on him now (it's in a different, buried thread), but Greg Parham out of VMI is committed to South Alabama. He was the guy who I mentioned since he played with Travis Evee, and someone thought he'd be going to a P5 program just because he averaged 18 points a game this past season.

The thing people need to realize is that there are going to be limited number of scholarships throughout the country with so many seniors returning in 2021-22. And kids will want to go to programs where they can play right away. A good example of that is Gerald Liddell out of Texas (and Cibolo Steele HS). He was a 4-star recruit who started some at Texas but kept getting hurt and just wasn't panning out for the Longhorns. He's now transferring to Alabama State.

Don't be shocked if the Sam Houston State transfers end up at similar programs (to Sam). This is a much different than last year just because there are so many more players out there and so many more coming back than normal.

ETA - yeah did a crappy job of looking as it was on the first page of this thread - thanks Mike! South Alabama also just got Jay Jay Chandler of A&M (and Katy) who started on and off for them the past four seasons.
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(03-29-2021 07:36 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I can't find the original post on him now (it's in a different, buried thread), but Greg Parham out of VMI is committed to South Alabama. ...

Here's the link. It's from March 8: https://csnbbs.com/thread-914714-post-17...id17312328

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FYI the number of names in the portal is now 1043. It's not even April. By comparison, the total number of kids who transferred last year was 1026.

And for the women, the number is currently 677 versus 490 total last year.
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(03-30-2021 02:12 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  FYI the number of names in the portal is now 1043. It's not even April. By comparison, the total number of kids who transferred last year was 1026.

And for the women, the number is currently 677 versus 490 total last year.

Part of that is the NCAA no longer forcing transfers to sit out a year.
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Carl Pierre commits. 33.8 minutes per game at UMass last year, 12.7 ppg on 36/33/71 splits. Shot 42% from 3 in his freshman and sophomore years, clip has dropped off a bit in his junior and senior years. Bart Torvik has him as the 128th most valuable transfer. Our Torvik projection goes from 142nd without him to 158th with him, largely because of an expected drop in defensive efficiency. Not sure I'd take too much stock in that because it's almost impossible to properly create reliable defensive metrics. Think this is a really good pick up. Gives us another guy who can score when Evee and Olivari aren't making shots.
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