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RE: WAC has “big announcement” Thursday...
(01-12-2021 02:09 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:51 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:40 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  I’m guessing TV related. Pure guess though and based on nothing.

MU ATO actually its movement, Abiline Christian, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin and Lamar are leaving the Southland Conference and joining the WAC.

The Southland is about to become the land of the misfit toys as the WAC was when the football playing members abandoned it.

That leave the Southland with:
McNeese State
Incarnate Word
Nicholls State
Southeast Louisiana
Houston Baptist
Northwestern State
New Orleans

Who does the Southland go after. West Texas AM, Angelo State and Midwesten State seems logical.

Texas A&M - Commerce is the most logical and convenient. Southland has the 6 they need to continue on as FCS. The financially stable D2 teams you mentioned from the Lone Star will gradually start to matriculate to the Southland, and the Southland will (should) smarten up and start to rid itself of the broke LA schools. Later, as in 5-10 years from now, some of those schools may jump to the FBS WAC.

Not even the most stable school in the new WAC will be ready for IA in 10 years let alone the D2s getting ready to jump. In other words the WAC FBS in 10 years or less is a major pipe dream even if the WAC is grandfathered in. The 2 biggest athletic budgets in the new WAC playing FCS football would be Sam Houston State at 19.2 million and Stephen F Austin at just over 19 million. The only athletic budget lower than that playing IA is Louisiana Monroe at 15.5 million.
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RE: WAC has “big announcement” Thursday...
(01-12-2021 12:51 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:40 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  I’m guessing TV related. Pure guess though and based on nothing.

MU ATO actually its movement, Abiline Christian, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin and Lamar are leaving the Southland Conference and joining the WAC.

The Southland is about to become the land of the misfit toys as the WAC was when the football playing members abandoned it.

That leave the Southland with:
McNeese State
Incarnate Word
Nicholls State
Southeast Louisiana
Houston Baptist
Northwestern State
New Orleans

Who does the Southland go after. West Texas AM, Angelo State and Midwesten State seems logical.

WOW!
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RE: WAC has “big announcement” Thursday...
(01-12-2021 11:47 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 02:09 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:51 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:40 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  I’m guessing TV related. Pure guess though and based on nothing.

MU ATO actually its movement, Abiline Christian, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin and Lamar are leaving the Southland Conference and joining the WAC.

The Southland is about to become the land of the misfit toys as the WAC was when the football playing members abandoned it.

That leave the Southland with:
McNeese State
Incarnate Word
Nicholls State
Southeast Louisiana
Houston Baptist
Northwestern State
New Orleans

Who does the Southland go after. West Texas AM, Angelo State and Midwesten State seems logical.

Texas A&M - Commerce is the most logical and convenient. Southland has the 6 they need to continue on as FCS. The financially stable D2 teams you mentioned from the Lone Star will gradually start to matriculate to the Southland, and the Southland will (should) smarten up and start to rid itself of the broke LA schools. Later, as in 5-10 years from now, some of those schools may jump to the FBS WAC.

Not even the most stable school in the new WAC will be ready for IA in 10 years let alone the D2s getting ready to jump. In other words the WAC FBS in 10 years or less is a major pipe dream even if the WAC is grandfathered in. The 2 biggest athletic budgets in the new WAC playing FCS football would be Sam Houston State at 19.2 million and Stephen F Austin at just over 19 million. The only athletic budget lower than that playing IA is Louisiana Monroe at 15.5 million.

Who knows what “IA” will look like in ten years. It seems inevitable that the current P5 conferences will break away from the NCAA. The remaining schools may well reshuffle the deck to combine FBS/FCS with a scholarship limit somewhere between the current limit for both divisions. Or, not? The point is the landscape isn’t likely to look the same.
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RE: WAC has “big announcement” Thursday...
(01-13-2021 12:21 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:51 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:40 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  I’m guessing TV related. Pure guess though and based on nothing.

MU ATO actually its movement, Abiline Christian, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin and Lamar are leaving the Southland Conference and joining the WAC.

The Southland is about to become the land of the misfit toys as the WAC was when the football playing members abandoned it.

That leave the Southland with:
McNeese State
Incarnate Word
Nicholls State
Southeast Louisiana
Houston Baptist
Northwestern State
New Orleans

Who does the Southland go after. West Texas AM, Angelo State and Midwesten State seems logical.

WOW!

The Southland has hired a consulting firm to help identify likely targets fromFCS teams from other conferences, non football D1 schools that want to add football, or FBS move downs in Texas and other states.
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RE: WAC has “big announcement” Thursday...
(01-13-2021 04:41 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 12:21 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:51 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:40 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  I’m guessing TV related. Pure guess though and based on nothing.

MU ATO actually its movement, Abiline Christian, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin and Lamar are leaving the Southland Conference and joining the WAC.

The Southland is about to become the land of the misfit toys as the WAC was when the football playing members abandoned it.

That leave the Southland with:
McNeese State
Incarnate Word
Nicholls State
Southeast Louisiana
Houston Baptist
Northwestern State
New Orleans

Who does the Southland go after. West Texas AM, Angelo State and Midwesten State seems logical.

WOW!

The Southland has hired a consulting firm to help identify likely targets fromFCS teams from other conferences, non football D1 schools that want to add football, or FBS move downs in Texas and other states.

I wonder if that consultant's name is David Street...
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RE: WAC has “big announcement” Thursday...
(01-13-2021 08:55 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 04:41 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 12:21 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:51 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:40 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  I’m guessing TV related. Pure guess though and based on nothing.

MU ATO actually its movement, Abiline Christian, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin and Lamar are leaving the Southland Conference and joining the WAC.

The Southland is about to become the land of the misfit toys as the WAC was when the football playing members abandoned it.

That leave the Southland with:
McNeese State
Incarnate Word
Nicholls State
Southeast Louisiana
Houston Baptist
Northwestern State
New Orleans

Who does the Southland go after. West Texas AM, Angelo State and Midwesten State seems logical.

WOW!

The Southland has hired a consulting firm to help identify likely targets fromFCS teams from other conferences, non football D1 schools that want to add football, or FBS move downs in Texas and other states.

I wonder if that consultant's name is David Street...

Yale to the Southland recommendation in 3...2...1

04-cheers
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RE: WAC has “big announcement” Thursday...
(01-13-2021 11:59 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 08:55 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 04:41 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 12:21 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:51 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  MU ATO actually its movement, Abiline Christian, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin and Lamar are leaving the Southland Conference and joining the WAC.

The Southland is about to become the land of the misfit toys as the WAC was when the football playing members abandoned it.

That leave the Southland with:
McNeese State
Incarnate Word
Nicholls State
Southeast Louisiana
Houston Baptist
Northwestern State
New Orleans

Who does the Southland go after. West Texas AM, Angelo State and Midwesten State seems logical.

WOW!

The Southland has hired a consulting firm to help identify likely targets fromFCS teams from other conferences, non football D1 schools that want to add football, or FBS move downs in Texas and other states.

I wonder if that consultant's name is David Street...

Yale to the Southland recommendation in 3...2...1

04-cheers

He had Texas going independent in football and to the Southland for everything else last year.
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RE: WAC has “big announcement” Thursday...
(01-13-2021 12:04 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 11:59 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 08:55 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 04:41 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 12:21 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  WOW!

The Southland has hired a consulting firm to help identify likely targets fromFCS teams from other conferences, non football D1 schools that want to add football, or FBS move downs in Texas and other states.

I wonder if that consultant's name is David Street...

Yale to the Southland recommendation in 3...2...1

04-cheers

He had Texas going independent in football and to the Southland for everything else last year.

I spit up my coffee reading that. Ha!

Check out Matt Brown at his wits end with David Street. And David Street responds with "Nope...". I also asked David Street if he has sources or if he just reads things and makes stuff up. He verified what we already knew to be true.


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Posted this on KatFans.com and wanted to share here...

First, I know that I do not come on these boards often at all anymore and do not even lurk as much as I once did. The WAC situation has certainly got my attention and I have been trying to keep up with everything that you guys are posting but the news cycle and home life are certainly distractions enough.

Catching up today with threads, wanted to share some thoughts and perspectives.

New League. Some of you are super excited about the schools leaving the Southland joining the WAC. I do not blame you at all and join in your excitement. The Bearkats and Lumberjacks have been a member of the Southland for 30+ years. While some of the schools have changed, the environment in college athletics has drastically changed but quite frankly, our institutions in the Piney Woods have not been apart of that. Let's spend these next few months learning about the other schools in the league and supporting one another. The better the league does as a whole (especially in football and men's basketball in particular), the better it is for our schools. If the WAC is able to get a #11 or #12 seed in hoops annually (which puts you in great shape for getting some Ws in March) and multiple bids in football, all will be well.

NCAA Landscape. I am on the record going back years saying that I feel there will be more schisms in the NCAA landscape particularly as it relates to football. In some mindsets, there is already a split with FCS being on a third tier below the A5 (Autonomy 5) and G5 (Group of 5). That's accurate to some degree but I believe that the A5 will break away in some form or fashion and there will be a G5 level featuring those schools and the top FCS schools. It is so critical that Sam Houston State stay in that second tier and even more critical that the WAC gains admission into whatever championship format that we will see come out of. Will this really happen? Time will tell!

The Early Departure. Why keep the Texas schools in for a lame duck year especially when they can win your conference championships and claim your automatic bids? It also serves as an opportunity to promote the WAC and not so much the Southland. The Southland may not have gotten all the monies they would have gotten in this deal and there's no clarity on how much they actually ended up. If they got $300k from each of the exiting schools, that is $1.5M (if you include Central Arkansas).

Football 2021. Football scheduling does not seem to be a problem for anyone. If this year taught us anything and I believe Craig Haley covered this in a recent column, leagues have to be flexible and creative. We are seeing that to some degree with leagues that are doing back-to-backs in basketball (or volleyball), adding buffer dates into schedules, playing four-game baseball series to eliminate need for as many mid-weeks games and things like that. It would not surprise me in the least bit if you saw in-season home-and-homes or Central Arkansas working their way into the schedule of the WAC schools for a single year or something. On the Southland side, I am sure they can do the same thing with in-season home-and-homes. This thought isn't too out of the box. The FBS Independents have done it in recent years and you have schools play multiple times in FBS conference due to conference championship formats even if they have a round robin or other formats.

Future of the WAC. Where does the league head from here? My wishlist and in this order:

1) Chicago State leaving. They keep messing with their sport sponsorships and seem to have institutional problems that are pretty deep. Will another league pick them up? Doubtful.

2) Adding Cal Poly & UC-Davis as football affiliates. Right now, the WAC has several non-football schools (Utah Valley, Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, Seattle and UTRGV). Unless those schools leave, the easiest way to add to football without "bloating" the league is by adding football affiliates. The Big Sky currently does not have a complete round robin. The California schools would probably enjoy traveling to the Texas schools much more than having to deal with Cheney, WA and Missoula, MT in November. On top of that, the WAC is going to have to allow OOC games at the backend of the schedule, so UC-Davis can still play Sacramento State the same week that Lamar & McNeese, Southern Utah & Weber State and Northwestern St & SFA play. Right?

3) UTRGV adds football. Not only will it help with the membership issues mentioned above, but it would give another "bus trip" to the league in football and help solidify the power in Texas in the WAC. Also will further build on legitimizing the rivalry between UTRGV and the other Texas schools. I truly believe whether it is adding affiliate members in football like CP and UC-D or adding football at an established Division I school, it's much better for all of us than having another Division II school enter the league. As is, we are probably good for one more Division II school joining the WAC if not two unless the WAC is able to get a Northern Arizona or Weber State to join. Kudos to the Commish and the leadership if they are able to do that!

Future of the Southland. This new consultant is going to try desperately to get Division I schools into the fold. Who is there? The SWAC has some schools, but that league finally has great leadership in Charles McClelland and has recently added a few schools which will only help with the exposure, brand of the SWAC. ULM has always been thrown around but they just committed to Tommy Bowden and Rich Rodriguez to turn around their football fortunes. The Sun Belt is actually decent footbal now with the emergence of Coastal and UL-Lafayette, so why would you leave? The 'only play' I foresee is the Southland going for Division II schools on the 'western side' of the conference. It's not attractive, it is not what they want and certainly, could leave a bad taste in some mouths as the league in the eyes of the departing schools screwed this addition thing up the last time. The "eastern side" of the conference has some Division II options as well, but those schools are probably more accustomed to being in the Atlantic Sun with other recent Division II schools that were in their 'neck of the woods' previously. West Florida has been a good option for years and if they haven't jumped to the Southland yet, why would they now? What will be interesting is if the Southland changes names. It could happen. Start anew, ya know. Leave Frisco? That'd sting, especially since they have worked so hard to get that FCS title game there.

What I Want to Learn Tomorrow. I am not going to be able to watch the presser due to a myriad of meetings, so will look here and elsewhere to see what the feel is. My biggest questions are the following:

1) To learn about 2021-22 since it seems we are officially leaving the Southland on June 30, 2021 with a WAC start day on July 1.
2) Hear what they have to say about FBS football and/or any other goals for the league surrounding football
3) Get clarity on the Chicago State situation and expansion aspirations, discussions
4) Find out what the ADs are saying about maintaining old rivalries (SFA/NWST, Lamar/McNeese) as this is important to those other schools
5) Get a sense of where future championships will take place, particularly in basketball and baseball... and timeline for when we can expect to see information about future schedules, particularly if things got "bumped up" a year.

So there's my musings. I am excited about tomorrow... enjoy!
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Pete Thamel says FCS in 2021 and new members are in July

https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/13...88998?s=21
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(01-13-2021 12:52 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  Pete Thamel says FCS in 2021 and new members are in July

https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/13...88998?s=21

Yes... it was posted yesterday and now you have posted it a day late and on two threads. Here's your award......
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(01-13-2021 01:04 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 12:52 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  Pete Thamel says FCS in 2021 and new members are in July

https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/13...88998?s=21

Yes... it was posted yesterday and now you have posted it a day late and on two threads. Here's your award......

A tweet that was just posted an hour ago was posted yesterday.
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So I downloaded the WAC Digital Network AP to my android TV. I’m all set to watch the big announcement tomorrow.
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(01-13-2021 12:27 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Posted this on KatFans.com and wanted to share here...

First, I know that I do not come on these boards often at all anymore and do not even lurk as much as I once did. The WAC situation has certainly got my attention and I have been trying to keep up with everything that you guys are posting but the news cycle and home life are certainly distractions enough.

Catching up today with threads, wanted to share some thoughts and perspectives.

New League. Some of you are super excited about the schools leaving the Southland joining the WAC. I do not blame you at all and join in your excitement. The Bearkats and Lumberjacks have been a member of the Southland for 30+ years. While some of the schools have changed, the environment in college athletics has drastically changed but quite frankly, our institutions in the Piney Woods have not been apart of that. Let's spend these next few months learning about the other schools in the league and supporting one another. The better the league does as a whole (especially in football and men's basketball in particular), the better it is for our schools. If the WAC is able to get a #11 or #12 seed in hoops annually (which puts you in great shape for getting some Ws in March) and multiple bids in football, all will be well.

NCAA Landscape. I am on the record going back years saying that I feel there will be more schisms in the NCAA landscape particularly as it relates to football. In some mindsets, there is already a split with FCS being on a third tier below the A5 (Autonomy 5) and G5 (Group of 5). That's accurate to some degree but I believe that the A5 will break away in some form or fashion and there will be a G5 level featuring those schools and the top FCS schools. It is so critical that Sam Houston State stay in that second tier and even more critical that the WAC gains admission into whatever championship format that we will see come out of. Will this really happen? Time will tell!

The Early Departure. Why keep the Texas schools in for a lame duck year especially when they can win your conference championships and claim your automatic bids? It also serves as an opportunity to promote the WAC and not so much the Southland. The Southland may not have gotten all the monies they would have gotten in this deal and there's no clarity on how much they actually ended up. If they got $300k from each of the exiting schools, that is $1.5M (if you include Central Arkansas).

Football 2021. Football scheduling does not seem to be a problem for anyone. If this year taught us anything and I believe Craig Haley covered this in a recent column, leagues have to be flexible and creative. We are seeing that to some degree with leagues that are doing back-to-backs in basketball (or volleyball), adding buffer dates into schedules, playing four-game baseball series to eliminate need for as many mid-weeks games and things like that. It would not surprise me in the least bit if you saw in-season home-and-homes or Central Arkansas working their way into the schedule of the WAC schools for a single year or something. On the Southland side, I am sure they can do the same thing with in-season home-and-homes. This thought isn't too out of the box. The FBS Independents have done it in recent years and you have schools play multiple times in FBS conference due to conference championship formats even if they have a round robin or other formats.

Future of the WAC. Where does the league head from here? My wishlist and in this order:

1) Chicago State leaving. They keep messing with their sport sponsorships and seem to have institutional problems that are pretty deep. Will another league pick them up? Doubtful.

2) Adding Cal Poly & UC-Davis as football affiliates. Right now, the WAC has several non-football schools (Utah Valley, Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, Seattle and UTRGV). Unless those schools leave, the easiest way to add to football without "bloating" the league is by adding football affiliates. The Big Sky currently does not have a complete round robin. The California schools would probably enjoy traveling to the Texas schools much more than having to deal with Cheney, WA and Missoula, MT in November. On top of that, the WAC is going to have to allow OOC games at the backend of the schedule, so UC-Davis can still play Sacramento State the same week that Lamar & McNeese, Southern Utah & Weber State and Northwestern St & SFA play. Right?

3) UTRGV adds football. Not only will it help with the membership issues mentioned above, but it would give another "bus trip" to the league in football and help solidify the power in Texas in the WAC. Also will further build on legitimizing the rivalry between UTRGV and the other Texas schools. I truly believe whether it is adding affiliate members in football like CP and UC-D or adding football at an established Division I school, it's much better for all of us than having another Division II school enter the league. As is, we are probably good for one more Division II school joining the WAC if not two unless the WAC is able to get a Northern Arizona or Weber State to join. Kudos to the Commish and the leadership if they are able to do that!

Future of the Southland. This new consultant is going to try desperately to get Division I schools into the fold. Who is there? The SWAC has some schools, but that league finally has great leadership in Charles McClelland and has recently added a few schools which will only help with the exposure, brand of the SWAC. ULM has always been thrown around but they just committed to Tommy Bowden and Rich Rodriguez to turn around their football fortunes. The Sun Belt is actually decent footbal now with the emergence of Coastal and UL-Lafayette, so why would you leave? The 'only play' I foresee is the Southland going for Division II schools on the 'western side' of the conference. It's not attractive, it is not what they want and certainly, could leave a bad taste in some mouths as the league in the eyes of the departing schools screwed this addition thing up the last time. The "eastern side" of the conference has some Division II options as well, but those schools are probably more accustomed to being in the Atlantic Sun with other recent Division II schools that were in their 'neck of the woods' previously. West Florida has been a good option for years and if they haven't jumped to the Southland yet, why would they now? What will be interesting is if the Southland changes names. It could happen. Start anew, ya know. Leave Frisco? That'd sting, especially since they have worked so hard to get that FCS title game there.

What I Want to Learn Tomorrow. I am not going to be able to watch the presser due to a myriad of meetings, so will look here and elsewhere to see what the feel is. My biggest questions are the following:

1) To learn about 2021-22 since it seems we are officially leaving the Southland on June 30, 2021 with a WAC start day on July 1.
2) Hear what they have to say about FBS football and/or any other goals for the league surrounding football
3) Get clarity on the Chicago State situation and expansion aspirations, discussions
4) Find out what the ADs are saying about maintaining old rivalries (SFA/NWST, Lamar/McNeese) as this is important to those other schools
5) Get a sense of where future championships will take place, particularly in basketball and baseball... and timeline for when we can expect to see information about future schedules, particularly if things got "bumped up" a year.

So there's my musings. I am excited about tomorrow... enjoy!

Very well done.
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What I Want to Learn Tomorrow. I am not going to be able to watch the presser due to a myriad of meetings, so will look here and elsewhere to see what the feel is. My biggest questions are the following:

1) To learn about 2021-22 since it seems we are officially leaving the Southland on June 30, 2021 with a WAC start day on July 1.
2) Hear what they have to say about FBS football and/or any other goals for the league surrounding football
3) Get clarity on the Chicago State situation and expansion aspirations, discussions
4) Find out what the ADs are saying about maintaining old rivalries (SFA/NWST, Lamar/McNeese) as this is important to those other schools
5) Get a sense of where future championships will take place, particularly in basketball and baseball... and timeline for when we can expect to see information about future schedules, particularly if things got "bumped up" a year.

So there's my musings. I am excited about tomorrow... enjoy!

All interesting questions. I’m not sure we will get the desired level of detail tomorrow to answer this or other questions but we may pick up clues about the thinking on these issues.

I’m particularly interested in #2.

It’s been suggested that the football landscape will likely shift as the Power 5 seriously contemplates breaking away from the NCAA. Being a part of a conference that is positioned by virtue of its unique history to move quickly to take advantage of the vacuum left in the wake of their departure is a plus.

Should the P5 not choose to depart, I’m less thrilled about the prospect of a move to FBS. One NMSU poster referred to themselves as the “joneses” that the new schools will try to keep up with. The last thing any of us should want is to become another NMSU football school. I’m not sure even NMSU wants to be NMSU. Most years their football team is as wretched as its basketball team is good.

If member schools in the new WAC can’t come up with the funding to become a competitive FBS conference, in my mind it’s far preferable to focus resources on becoming excellent in basketball and a good FCS conference. The Missouri Valley of the West, if you will.
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(01-13-2021 12:27 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Posted this on KatFans.com and wanted to share here...

First, I know that I do not come on these boards often at all anymore and do not even lurk as much as I once did. The WAC situation has certainly got my attention and I have been trying to keep up with everything that you guys are posting but the news cycle and home life are certainly distractions enough.

Catching up today with threads, wanted to share some thoughts and perspectives.

New League. Some of you are super excited about the schools leaving the Southland joining the WAC. I do not blame you at all and join in your excitement. The Bearkats and Lumberjacks have been a member of the Southland for 30+ years. While some of the schools have changed, the environment in college athletics has drastically changed but quite frankly, our institutions in the Piney Woods have not been apart of that. Let's spend these next few months learning about the other schools in the league and supporting one another. The better the league does as a whole (especially in football and men's basketball in particular), the better it is for our schools. If the WAC is able to get a #11 or #12 seed in hoops annually (which puts you in great shape for getting some Ws in March) and multiple bids in football, all will be well.

NCAA Landscape. I am on the record going back years saying that I feel there will be more schisms in the NCAA landscape particularly as it relates to football. In some mindsets, there is already a split with FCS being on a third tier below the A5 (Autonomy 5) and G5 (Group of 5). That's accurate to some degree but I believe that the A5 will break away in some form or fashion and there will be a G5 level featuring those schools and the top FCS schools. It is so critical that Sam Houston State stay in that second tier and even more critical that the WAC gains admission into whatever championship format that we will see come out of. Will this really happen? Time will tell!

The Early Departure. Why keep the Texas schools in for a lame duck year especially when they can win your conference championships and claim your automatic bids? It also serves as an opportunity to promote the WAC and not so much the Southland. The Southland may not have gotten all the monies they would have gotten in this deal and there's no clarity on how much they actually ended up. If they got $300k from each of the exiting schools, that is $1.5M (if you include Central Arkansas).

Football 2021. Football scheduling does not seem to be a problem for anyone. If this year taught us anything and I believe Craig Haley covered this in a recent column, leagues have to be flexible and creative. We are seeing that to some degree with leagues that are doing back-to-backs in basketball (or volleyball), adding buffer dates into schedules, playing four-game baseball series to eliminate need for as many mid-weeks games and things like that. It would not surprise me in the least bit if you saw in-season home-and-homes or Central Arkansas working their way into the schedule of the WAC schools for a single year or something. On the Southland side, I am sure they can do the same thing with in-season home-and-homes. This thought isn't too out of the box. The FBS Independents have done it in recent years and you have schools play multiple times in FBS conference due to conference championship formats even if they have a round robin or other formats.

Future of the WAC. Where does the league head from here? My wishlist and in this order:

1) Chicago State leaving. They keep messing with their sport sponsorships and seem to have institutional problems that are pretty deep. Will another league pick them up? Doubtful.

2) Adding Cal Poly & UC-Davis as football affiliates. Right now, the WAC has several non-football schools (Utah Valley, Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, Seattle and UTRGV). Unless those schools leave, the easiest way to add to football without "bloating" the league is by adding football affiliates. The Big Sky currently does not have a complete round robin. The California schools would probably enjoy traveling to the Texas schools much more than having to deal with Cheney, WA and Missoula, MT in November. On top of that, the WAC is going to have to allow OOC games at the backend of the schedule, so UC-Davis can still play Sacramento State the same week that Lamar & McNeese, Southern Utah & Weber State and Northwestern St & SFA play. Right?

3) UTRGV adds football. Not only will it help with the membership issues mentioned above, but it would give another "bus trip" to the league in football and help solidify the power in Texas in the WAC. Also will further build on legitimizing the rivalry between UTRGV and the other Texas schools. I truly believe whether it is adding affiliate members in football like CP and UC-D or adding football at an established Division I school, it's much better for all of us than having another Division II school enter the league. As is, we are probably good for one more Division II school joining the WAC if not two unless the WAC is able to get a Northern Arizona or Weber State to join. Kudos to the Commish and the leadership if they are able to do that!

Future of the Southland. This new consultant is going to try desperately to get Division I schools into the fold. Who is there? The SWAC has some schools, but that league finally has great leadership in Charles McClelland and has recently added a few schools which will only help with the exposure, brand of the SWAC. ULM has always been thrown around but they just committed to Tommy Bowden and Rich Rodriguez to turn around their football fortunes. The Sun Belt is actually decent footbal now with the emergence of Coastal and UL-Lafayette, so why would you leave? The 'only play' I foresee is the Southland going for Division II schools on the 'western side' of the conference. It's not attractive, it is not what they want and certainly, could leave a bad taste in some mouths as the league in the eyes of the departing schools screwed this addition thing up the last time. The "eastern side" of the conference has some Division II options as well, but those schools are probably more accustomed to being in the Atlantic Sun with other recent Division II schools that were in their 'neck of the woods' previously. West Florida has been a good option for years and if they haven't jumped to the Southland yet, why would they now? What will be interesting is if the Southland changes names. It could happen. Start anew, ya know. Leave Frisco? That'd sting, especially since they have worked so hard to get that FCS title game there.

What I Want to Learn Tomorrow. I am not going to be able to watch the presser due to a myriad of meetings, so will look here and elsewhere to see what the feel is. My biggest questions are the following:

1) To learn about 2021-22 since it seems we are officially leaving the Southland on June 30, 2021 with a WAC start day on July 1.
2) Hear what they have to say about FBS football and/or any other goals for the league surrounding football
3) Get clarity on the Chicago State situation and expansion aspirations, discussions
4) Find out what the ADs are saying about maintaining old rivalries (SFA/NWST, Lamar/McNeese) as this is important to those other schools
5) Get a sense of where future championships will take place, particularly in basketball and baseball... and timeline for when we can expect to see information about future schedules, particularly if things got "bumped up" a year.

So there's my musings. I am excited about tomorrow... enjoy!

No one, other than TX schools are in favor of solidifying "the power in Texas in the WAC". That could be a recipe for disaster.

I can answer one of your questions. The basketball tourney will be in Las Vegas.
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(01-14-2021 09:30 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 12:27 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Posted this on KatFans.com and wanted to share here...

First, I know that I do not come on these boards often at all anymore and do not even lurk as much as I once did. The WAC situation has certainly got my attention and I have been trying to keep up with everything that you guys are posting but the news cycle and home life are certainly distractions enough.

Catching up today with threads, wanted to share some thoughts and perspectives.

New League. Some of you are super excited about the schools leaving the Southland joining the WAC. I do not blame you at all and join in your excitement. The Bearkats and Lumberjacks have been a member of the Southland for 30+ years. While some of the schools have changed, the environment in college athletics has drastically changed but quite frankly, our institutions in the Piney Woods have not been apart of that. Let's spend these next few months learning about the other schools in the league and supporting one another. The better the league does as a whole (especially in football and men's basketball in particular), the better it is for our schools. If the WAC is able to get a #11 or #12 seed in hoops annually (which puts you in great shape for getting some Ws in March) and multiple bids in football, all will be well.

NCAA Landscape. I am on the record going back years saying that I feel there will be more schisms in the NCAA landscape particularly as it relates to football. In some mindsets, there is already a split with FCS being on a third tier below the A5 (Autonomy 5) and G5 (Group of 5). That's accurate to some degree but I believe that the A5 will break away in some form or fashion and there will be a G5 level featuring those schools and the top FCS schools. It is so critical that Sam Houston State stay in that second tier and even more critical that the WAC gains admission into whatever championship format that we will see come out of. Will this really happen? Time will tell!

The Early Departure. Why keep the Texas schools in for a lame duck year especially when they can win your conference championships and claim your automatic bids? It also serves as an opportunity to promote the WAC and not so much the Southland. The Southland may not have gotten all the monies they would have gotten in this deal and there's no clarity on how much they actually ended up. If they got $300k from each of the exiting schools, that is $1.5M (if you include Central Arkansas).

Football 2021. Football scheduling does not seem to be a problem for anyone. If this year taught us anything and I believe Craig Haley covered this in a recent column, leagues have to be flexible and creative. We are seeing that to some degree with leagues that are doing back-to-backs in basketball (or volleyball), adding buffer dates into schedules, playing four-game baseball series to eliminate need for as many mid-weeks games and things like that. It would not surprise me in the least bit if you saw in-season home-and-homes or Central Arkansas working their way into the schedule of the WAC schools for a single year or something. On the Southland side, I am sure they can do the same thing with in-season home-and-homes. This thought isn't too out of the box. The FBS Independents have done it in recent years and you have schools play multiple times in FBS conference due to conference championship formats even if they have a round robin or other formats.

Future of the WAC. Where does the league head from here? My wishlist and in this order:

1) Chicago State leaving. They keep messing with their sport sponsorships and seem to have institutional problems that are pretty deep. Will another league pick them up? Doubtful.

2) Adding Cal Poly & UC-Davis as football affiliates. Right now, the WAC has several non-football schools (Utah Valley, Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, Seattle and UTRGV). Unless those schools leave, the easiest way to add to football without "bloating" the league is by adding football affiliates. The Big Sky currently does not have a complete round robin. The California schools would probably enjoy traveling to the Texas schools much more than having to deal with Cheney, WA and Missoula, MT in November. On top of that, the WAC is going to have to allow OOC games at the backend of the schedule, so UC-Davis can still play Sacramento State the same week that Lamar & McNeese, Southern Utah & Weber State and Northwestern St & SFA play. Right?

3) UTRGV adds football. Not only will it help with the membership issues mentioned above, but it would give another "bus trip" to the league in football and help solidify the power in Texas in the WAC. Also will further build on legitimizing the rivalry between UTRGV and the other Texas schools. I truly believe whether it is adding affiliate members in football like CP and UC-D or adding football at an established Division I school, it's much better for all of us than having another Division II school enter the league. As is, we are probably good for one more Division II school joining the WAC if not two unless the WAC is able to get a Northern Arizona or Weber State to join. Kudos to the Commish and the leadership if they are able to do that!

Future of the Southland. This new consultant is going to try desperately to get Division I schools into the fold. Who is there? The SWAC has some schools, but that league finally has great leadership in Charles McClelland and has recently added a few schools which will only help with the exposure, brand of the SWAC. ULM has always been thrown around but they just committed to Tommy Bowden and Rich Rodriguez to turn around their football fortunes. The Sun Belt is actually decent footbal now with the emergence of Coastal and UL-Lafayette, so why would you leave? The 'only play' I foresee is the Southland going for Division II schools on the 'western side' of the conference. It's not attractive, it is not what they want and certainly, could leave a bad taste in some mouths as the league in the eyes of the departing schools screwed this addition thing up the last time. The "eastern side" of the conference has some Division II options as well, but those schools are probably more accustomed to being in the Atlantic Sun with other recent Division II schools that were in their 'neck of the woods' previously. West Florida has been a good option for years and if they haven't jumped to the Southland yet, why would they now? What will be interesting is if the Southland changes names. It could happen. Start anew, ya know. Leave Frisco? That'd sting, especially since they have worked so hard to get that FCS title game there.

What I Want to Learn Tomorrow. I am not going to be able to watch the presser due to a myriad of meetings, so will look here and elsewhere to see what the feel is. My biggest questions are the following:

1) To learn about 2021-22 since it seems we are officially leaving the Southland on June 30, 2021 with a WAC start day on July 1.
2) Hear what they have to say about FBS football and/or any other goals for the league surrounding football
3) Get clarity on the Chicago State situation and expansion aspirations, discussions
4) Find out what the ADs are saying about maintaining old rivalries (SFA/NWST, Lamar/McNeese) as this is important to those other schools
5) Get a sense of where future championships will take place, particularly in basketball and baseball... and timeline for when we can expect to see information about future schedules, particularly if things got "bumped up" a year.

So there's my musings. I am excited about tomorrow... enjoy!

No one, other than TX schools are in favor of solidifying "the power in Texas in the WAC". That could be a recipe for disaster.

I can answer one of your questions. The basketball tourney will be in Las Vegas.

From looking at the WAC website it looks like the basketball tournament is always in Las Vegas and baseball in Mesa, Arizona at the Oakland A’s Spring Training complex?
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(01-14-2021 09:54 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(01-14-2021 09:30 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 12:27 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Posted this on KatFans.com and wanted to share here...

First, I know that I do not come on these boards often at all anymore and do not even lurk as much as I once did. The WAC situation has certainly got my attention and I have been trying to keep up with everything that you guys are posting but the news cycle and home life are certainly distractions enough.

Catching up today with threads, wanted to share some thoughts and perspectives.

New League. Some of you are super excited about the schools leaving the Southland joining the WAC. I do not blame you at all and join in your excitement. The Bearkats and Lumberjacks have been a member of the Southland for 30+ years. While some of the schools have changed, the environment in college athletics has drastically changed but quite frankly, our institutions in the Piney Woods have not been apart of that. Let's spend these next few months learning about the other schools in the league and supporting one another. The better the league does as a whole (especially in football and men's basketball in particular), the better it is for our schools. If the WAC is able to get a #11 or #12 seed in hoops annually (which puts you in great shape for getting some Ws in March) and multiple bids in football, all will be well.

NCAA Landscape. I am on the record going back years saying that I feel there will be more schisms in the NCAA landscape particularly as it relates to football. In some mindsets, there is already a split with FCS being on a third tier below the A5 (Autonomy 5) and G5 (Group of 5). That's accurate to some degree but I believe that the A5 will break away in some form or fashion and there will be a G5 level featuring those schools and the top FCS schools. It is so critical that Sam Houston State stay in that second tier and even more critical that the WAC gains admission into whatever championship format that we will see come out of. Will this really happen? Time will tell!

The Early Departure. Why keep the Texas schools in for a lame duck year especially when they can win your conference championships and claim your automatic bids? It also serves as an opportunity to promote the WAC and not so much the Southland. The Southland may not have gotten all the monies they would have gotten in this deal and there's no clarity on how much they actually ended up. If they got $300k from each of the exiting schools, that is $1.5M (if you include Central Arkansas).

Football 2021. Football scheduling does not seem to be a problem for anyone. If this year taught us anything and I believe Craig Haley covered this in a recent column, leagues have to be flexible and creative. We are seeing that to some degree with leagues that are doing back-to-backs in basketball (or volleyball), adding buffer dates into schedules, playing four-game baseball series to eliminate need for as many mid-weeks games and things like that. It would not surprise me in the least bit if you saw in-season home-and-homes or Central Arkansas working their way into the schedule of the WAC schools for a single year or something. On the Southland side, I am sure they can do the same thing with in-season home-and-homes. This thought isn't too out of the box. The FBS Independents have done it in recent years and you have schools play multiple times in FBS conference due to conference championship formats even if they have a round robin or other formats.

Future of the WAC. Where does the league head from here? My wishlist and in this order:

1) Chicago State leaving. They keep messing with their sport sponsorships and seem to have institutional problems that are pretty deep. Will another league pick them up? Doubtful.

2) Adding Cal Poly & UC-Davis as football affiliates. Right now, the WAC has several non-football schools (Utah Valley, Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, Seattle and UTRGV). Unless those schools leave, the easiest way to add to football without "bloating" the league is by adding football affiliates. The Big Sky currently does not have a complete round robin. The California schools would probably enjoy traveling to the Texas schools much more than having to deal with Cheney, WA and Missoula, MT in November. On top of that, the WAC is going to have to allow OOC games at the backend of the schedule, so UC-Davis can still play Sacramento State the same week that Lamar & McNeese, Southern Utah & Weber State and Northwestern St & SFA play. Right?

3) UTRGV adds football. Not only will it help with the membership issues mentioned above, but it would give another "bus trip" to the league in football and help solidify the power in Texas in the WAC. Also will further build on legitimizing the rivalry between UTRGV and the other Texas schools. I truly believe whether it is adding affiliate members in football like CP and UC-D or adding football at an established Division I school, it's much better for all of us than having another Division II school enter the league. As is, we are probably good for one more Division II school joining the WAC if not two unless the WAC is able to get a Northern Arizona or Weber State to join. Kudos to the Commish and the leadership if they are able to do that!

Future of the Southland. This new consultant is going to try desperately to get Division I schools into the fold. Who is there? The SWAC has some schools, but that league finally has great leadership in Charles McClelland and has recently added a few schools which will only help with the exposure, brand of the SWAC. ULM has always been thrown around but they just committed to Tommy Bowden and Rich Rodriguez to turn around their football fortunes. The Sun Belt is actually decent footbal now with the emergence of Coastal and UL-Lafayette, so why would you leave? The 'only play' I foresee is the Southland going for Division II schools on the 'western side' of the conference. It's not attractive, it is not what they want and certainly, could leave a bad taste in some mouths as the league in the eyes of the departing schools screwed this addition thing up the last time. The "eastern side" of the conference has some Division II options as well, but those schools are probably more accustomed to being in the Atlantic Sun with other recent Division II schools that were in their 'neck of the woods' previously. West Florida has been a good option for years and if they haven't jumped to the Southland yet, why would they now? What will be interesting is if the Southland changes names. It could happen. Start anew, ya know. Leave Frisco? That'd sting, especially since they have worked so hard to get that FCS title game there.

What I Want to Learn Tomorrow. I am not going to be able to watch the presser due to a myriad of meetings, so will look here and elsewhere to see what the feel is. My biggest questions are the following:

1) To learn about 2021-22 since it seems we are officially leaving the Southland on June 30, 2021 with a WAC start day on July 1.
2) Hear what they have to say about FBS football and/or any other goals for the league surrounding football
3) Get clarity on the Chicago State situation and expansion aspirations, discussions
4) Find out what the ADs are saying about maintaining old rivalries (SFA/NWST, Lamar/McNeese) as this is important to those other schools
5) Get a sense of where future championships will take place, particularly in basketball and baseball... and timeline for when we can expect to see information about future schedules, particularly if things got "bumped up" a year.

So there's my musings. I am excited about tomorrow... enjoy!

No one, other than TX schools are in favor of solidifying "the power in Texas in the WAC". That could be a recipe for disaster.

I can answer one of your questions. The basketball tourney will be in Las Vegas.

From looking at the WAC website it looks like the basketball tournament is always in Las Vegas and baseball in Mesa, Arizona at the Oakland A’s Sorong Training complex?

I think you are correct about baseball but I don't follow it close enough to know for sure.

Basketball is always in Vegas. Pretty centrally located for the existing WAC schools and a fun destination for fans. NMSU accounts for about 80% of the total fans that show up, but GCU is making strides in that department. Hopefully the new schools have fans that attend and we can grow the tourney.
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Yes to both the basketball and baseball conference championship locations. Some of the other conference championships rotate around to member campus or community locations. I know GCU most recently hosted the WAC softball tournament on campus in 2019. I feel like we also recently hosted the golf conference championships, though it may not have been at the GCU home course.
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Thanks, guys. Vegas for basketball sounds like fun. I’ve never been to the Mesa site but I’ve watched some great spring games in Peoria.
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