Quote:The Washington Post has reported that the outgoing Capitol Police Chief, Steve Sund, believes his efforts to secure the premises were undermined by a lack of concern from House and Senate security officials who answer directly to Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate leader Mitch McConnell. The National Pulse can also report the Washington Post’s timeline proves it was impossible for Trump speech attendees to have made it to the Capitol in time for the breach.
In addition to the fact that Trump openly called for the “cheering on” of Congressman, and “peaceful” protests, the timeline as established from numerous, establishment media reports simply doesn’t stack up.

The admission that House and Senate security leaders failed to provide Capitol Police with resources on the day will raise questions over their role in the day’s events.

WaPo reported late Sunday night:

Two days before Congress was set to formalize President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund was growing increasingly worried about the size of the pro-Trump crowds expected to stream into Washington in protest.

To be on the safe side, Sund asked House and Senate security officials for permission to request that the D.C. National Guard be placed on standby in case he needed quick backup.

But, Sund said Sunday, they turned him down.

In his first interview since pro-Trump rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol last week, Sund, who has since resigned his post, said his supervisors were reluctant to take formal steps to put the Guard on call even as police intelligence suggested that the crowd President Trump had invited to Washington to protest his defeat probably would be much larger than earlier demonstrations.

House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving said he wasn’t comfortable with the “optics” of formally declaring an emergency ahead of the demonstration, Sund said. Meanwhile, Senate Sergeant at Arms Michael Stenger suggested that Sund should informally seek out his Guard contacts, asking them to “lean forward” and be on alert in case Capitol Police needed their help.

Irving could not be reached for comment. A cellphone number listed in his name has not accepted messages since Wednesday. Messages left at a residence he owns in Nevada were not immediately returned, and there was no answer Sunday evening at a Watergate apartment listed in his name. A neighbor said he had recently moved out.

Sund recalled a conference call with Pentagon officials and officials from the D.C. government. He said on the call: “I am making an urgent, urgent immediate request for National Guard assistance… I have got to get boots on the ground.”

But the request was apparently denied over optics.

“I don’t like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background,” an Army official replied.

John Falcicchio, chief of staff for D.C. Mayor Muriel E. Bowser admitted: “Literally, this guy is on the phone, I mean, crying out for help. It’s burned in my memories.”

The Dodgy Timeline.
And while the Washington Post clumsily attempts to blame President Trump for the violence – despite the President calling for “peaceful” protests and the “cheering on” of Congressmen – their own article admits the “first wave of protesters arrived at the Capitol about 12:40pm.”

President Trump’s speech didn’t conclude until 1:11pm, and with at least a 45-minute walk between the two locations with crowd-related delays, that would put the first people from Trump’s speech at Capitol Hill no earlier than 1:56pm – a full hour and sixteen minutes after troublemakers arrived.

In fact, rioters who breached the perimeter would have had to leave before Trump’s speech even began (at 12pm precisely) to make it in time for the events as they are detailed by authorities.

The Washington Post also states: “Sund’s outer perimeter on the Capitol’s west side was breached within 15 minutes,” meaning the Capitol was breached over an hour before Trump speech attendees could have even begun to arrive.

This correlates with Sund’s interview, where he admits: “I realized at 1pm, things aren’t going well… I’m watching my people getting slammed.”

Again, 1pm would have been a full 56-minutes before any Trump speech-attendees could have begun arriving, let alone breaching the perimeter and clashing with police. Downtown Washington, D.C. roads were closed. There was no way of arriving faster, let alone before the President had finished speaking.

At 1:09pm, still before the President had finished speaking, Sund called the Sergeants-at-arms of the House and Senate. He told them it was time to call in the National Guard. He even said he wanted an emergency declaration. Both, however, said they would “run it up the chain” and get back to him.

At 1:50pm the Capitol itself was breached. Still before most Trump speech attendees could have arrived.

What happened after this point was a back and forth over hours between D.C. officials, Army officials, and Capitol police.

Eventually – at past 5pm – the National Guard arrived.

And while Sund is quoted in the Washington Post as blaming President Trump’s speech for the violence that ensued – the timeline means that makes no sense.

The President’s fans are not known for leaving his speeches 5 or 10 minutes in. And by the time the Capitol was breached, those who had stayed to listen to even the first 15 minutes would not have even made it there in time.

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They wanted it to happen.

(01-11-2021 12:40 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  I was listening to Trump's speech live and watching the entire thing from start to finish at work.

At 1:02pm I sent this message to my friend:

"Wouldn't be surprised if sh*t goes down after this speech, he's doing a good job rallying these folks."

At 1:45pm I sent this:

"Uh, protestors have pushed into the Capitol building. They're on the steps now."

At 1:52pm:

"They've breached it. F*ck."

I don't like Pelosi or Biden or Trump or the Democrats or Republicans or most politicians, but I do believe in our Constitution. What I saw live with my own eyes and heard with my own ears was a straight up rally to incite violence to overturn fair and free elections.

Trump deserves impeachment. If I'm a Senator, I'd convict.

In other words, you didn't read a thing posted by the OP.

BTW has anyone in the MSM played the so called call to violence speech? You would think it would be plastered everywhere. It isn't.

(01-11-2021 01:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  BTW has anyone in the MSM played the so called call to violence speech? You would think it would be plastered everywhere. It isn't.

Exactly. The lack of incriminating quotes/footage here really is like the dog that didn’t bark.

I didn’t watch Trump’s speech Wednesday and didn’t really know what he said or didn’t say. And by Thursday night, when all the liberals were screaming, I made a particular point to watch MSNBC because I knew they would be showing the “worst” parts of the speech in order to “prove” that Trump caused all the bad things to happen. After an hour of Joy Reid, an hour of Rachel Maddow, and an hour of Chris Hayes, I knew they had nothing.

This entire mess is being blown so far out of porportion it's laughable. IMO, no, there was no attempt to overthrow the US govt. The MSM suggesting otherwise is merely following ithe same operating procedures it's been following the last four years.

(01-11-2021 12:40 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  I was listening to Trump's speech live and watching the entire thing from start to finish at work.

At 1:02pm I sent this message to my friend:

"Wouldn't be surprised if sh*t goes down after this speech, he's doing a good job rallying these folks."

At 1:45pm I sent this:

"Uh, protestors have pushed into the Capitol building. They're on the steps now."

At 1:52pm:

"They've breached it. F*ck."

I don't like Pelosi or Biden or Trump or the Democrats or Republicans or most politicians, but I do believe in our Constitution. What I saw live with my own eyes and heard with my own ears was a straight up rally to incite violence to overturn fair and free elections.

Trump deserves impeachment. If I'm a Senator, I'd convict.

You cant "incite" something that is already happening. That said, impeachment is a political decision. It has nothing to do with accuracy, truth, guilt, or innocence. Its not a court of law. But make no mistake, if they do impeach, its because of politics--not innocence or guilt. As for the time line, Ive been saying this for days as I was also watching the speech live. The timeline never worked---worse yet, the text of the speech clearly will show he never requested violence---just the opposite. He specifically asked the crowd to be PEACEFUL and to "cheer" for their congressman. If its a court of law---this case would go nowhere. The facts simply do not support it.

The Dodgy Timeline.
And while the Washington Post clumsily attempts to blame President Trump for the violence – despite the President calling for “peaceful” protests and the “cheering on” of Congressmen – their own article admits the “first wave of protesters arrived at the Capitol about 12:40pm.”

President Trump’s speech didn’t conclude until 1:11pm, and with at least a 45-minute walk between the two locations with crowd-related delays, that would put the first people from Trump’s speech at Capitol Hill no earlier than 1:56pm – a full hour and sixteen minutes after troublemakers arrived.

(01-11-2021 01:30 PM)VA49er Wrote:  This entire mess is being blown so far out of porportion it's laughable. IMO, no, there was no attempt to overthrow the US govt. The MSM suggesting otherwise is merely following ithe same operating procedures it's been following the last four years.

To an extent. Invading the capital and endangering our leaders is pretty serious.
However, I agree--this was not an attempt to overthrow the government. People overthrowing the government dont wave the flag of the government. This was more of an attempt to be heard. These people, however misguided, believe they were "saving the nation" with their protests. That said---its illegal and these folks should face charges for what they did.

(01-11-2021 01:48 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-11-2021 01:30 PM)VA49er Wrote:  This entire mess is being blown so far out of porportion it's laughable. IMO, no, there was no attempt to overthrow the US govt. The MSM suggesting otherwise is merely following ithe same operating procedures it's been following the last four years.

To an extent. Invading the capital and endangering our leaders is pretty serious.
However, I agree--this was not an attempt to overthrow the government. People overthrowing the government dont wave the flag of the government. This was more of an attempt to be heard. These people, however misguided, believe they were "saving the nation" with their protests. That said---its illegal and these folks should face charges for what they did.

I agre 100%. The "sedition" stuff is nonsense and just more MSM nonsense. As usual though, its followers are lapping it up. It is truely disheartening that 1)it's coming from the top D leadership, and 2) people have become so incapabale of thinking for themselves that they simply believe what they are told.

(01-11-2021 01:50 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  And I'm telling you to watch the archived streams, from start to finish.

It didn't take 45 minutes for the first rally-goers to grow the amount of protestors already at the Capitol. Hell I regularly walk DC in the mornings (it's a beautiful city at sunrise) and it's never that long of a walk, and certainly not that long if the streets have been blocked off.

When the crowd reached a critical mass, things went south VERY quickly.

The article isn't going to gaslight me into believing something different than what I saw in real time happen. I watched the speech, I saw the livestream of people walking from the rally to the Capitol, I saw them overwhelm police. I have date/time texts of what I was seeing.

So what. There was no call to violence or to storm the Capitol in Trump's speech, and the cops opened to door and let a ton of people in.

You dont do what they did, especially when you don't have a sympathetic MSM.

They should face charges and pay the price for their foolish actions, but I agree with the sentiment that any idea that this was an armed insurrection is laughable.

(01-11-2021 01:50 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  And I'm telling you to watch the archived streams, from start to finish.

It didn't take 45 minutes for the first rally-goers to grow the amount of protestors already at the Capitol. Hell I regularly walk DC in the mornings (it's a beautiful city at sunrise) and it's never that long of a walk, and certainly not that long if streets were blocked off.

When the crowd reached a critical mass, things went south VERY quickly.

The article isn't going to gaslight me into believing something different than what I saw in real time happen. I watched the speech, I saw the livestream of people walking from the rally to the Capitol, I saw them overwhelm police. I have date/time texts of what I was seeing.

Then why is your time line different from every other news outlet and time stamped tweet and live stream out there. I watched the outer ring get over whelmed at 1 pm. Trump was still speaking at that time. I did a quck search of videos, the first one I clicked on shows protesters already inside the capital at 1:32---less than 20 minutes after his remarks concluded. No way they heard Trump say go to the Capital, walk all the way there, overwhelm the outer ring, surround the capital, and breach the capital in less than 20 minutes. The fact is what happened at the capital was well underway before Trump said a word about marching on the Capital.
Here is another chronology by another source.


Wednesday’s assault on the U.S. Capitol by mobs of rioters incited by President Trump unfolded quickly and chaotically. At 12:53 p.m., the first Trump supporters reached the barricades in front of the capitol, demanding to be let through. The inexplicably small number of cops on the scene held the line at first, but were quickly overwhelmed. By 1:15 p.m., thousands of Trump extremists filled the steps and balconies of the Capitol. By 1:33 p.m., the insurrectionists breached the Capitol.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/tunedin/...i-BB1czd94

(01-11-2021 02:14 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  I don't care as much about the people who wandered mindlessly into the Capitol, but the violent ones need to face severe consequences.

100%

(01-11-2021 02:14 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(01-11-2021 02:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  You dont do what they did, especially when you don't have a sympathetic MSM.

They should face charges and pay the price for their foolish actions, but I agree with the sentiment that any idea that this was an armed insurrection is laughable.

It was armed. Some had mace, tasers, bludgeoning weapons, molitov cocktails, viable pipe bombs, and one dude had an entire truck full of weapons parked a few blocks away.

There was an active contingent trying to hunt down politicians, reporters were beat up, and obviously police were involved in hand-to-hand combat. Fire extinguishers were set off by insurrectionists to create clouds, which also damaged historic paintings and statues. There's recorded video and obviously social media posts that the intention was to overturn the election and takeover the Capitol.

I don't care as much about the people who wandered mindlessly into the Capitol, but the violent ones need to face severe consequences.

LOL sounds like Antifa.

(01-11-2021 01:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  BTW has anyone in the MSM played the so called call to violence speech? You would think it would be plastered everywhere. It isn't.

AttackCoog said he listened and that President Trump said they should march down to the Capitol and cheer for our side.

(01-11-2021 02:14 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(01-11-2021 02:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  You dont do what they did, especially when you don't have a sympathetic MSM.

They should face charges and pay the price for their foolish actions, but I agree with the sentiment that any idea that this was an armed insurrection is laughable.

It was armed. Some had mace, tasers, bludgeoning weapons, molitov cocktails, viable pipe bombs, and one dude had an entire truck full of weapons parked a few blocks away.

There was an active contingent trying to hunt down politicians, reporters were beat up, and obviously police were involved in hand-to-hand combat. Fire extinguishers were set off by insurrectionists to create clouds, which also damaged historic paintings and statues. There's recorded video and obviously social media posts that the intention was to overturn the election and takeover the Capitol.

I don't care as much about the people who wandered mindlessly into the Capitol, but the violent ones need to face severe consequences.

Totally agree. Some got caught up in the moment and entered with the crowd. Those that went with the intent to do something like this or participated in busting windows, using weapons to breach, or caused destruction should face the full consequences of their actions.

(01-11-2021 02:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-11-2021 02:14 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(01-11-2021 02:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  You dont do what they did, especially when you don't have a sympathetic MSM.

They should face charges and pay the price for their foolish actions, but I agree with the sentiment that any idea that this was an armed insurrection is laughable.

It was armed. Some had mace, tasers, bludgeoning weapons, molitov cocktails, viable pipe bombs, and one dude had an entire truck full of weapons parked a few blocks away.

There was an active contingent trying to hunt down politicians, reporters were beat up, and obviously police were involved in hand-to-hand combat. Fire extinguishers were set off by insurrectionists to create clouds, which also damaged historic paintings and statues. There's recorded video and obviously social media posts that the intention was to overturn the election and takeover the Capitol.

I don't care as much about the people who wandered mindlessly into the Capitol, but the violent ones need to face severe consequences.

LOL sounds like Antifa.

Yea but if you are antifa and get hooked, you will barely get a slap on the wrist (and released without posting bail)... Oh wait, my bad, that is everywhere else in America.

(01-11-2021 01:29 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-11-2021 01:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  BTW has anyone in the MSM played the so called call to violence speech? You would think it would be plastered everywhere. It isn't.

Exactly. The lack of incriminating quotes/footage here really is like the dog that didn’t bark.

I didn’t watch Trump’s speech Wednesday and didn’t really know what he said or didn’t say. And by Thursday night, when all the liberals were screaming, I made a particular point to watch MSNBC because I knew they would be showing the “worst” parts of the speech in order to “prove” that Trump caused all the bad things to happen. After an hour of Joy Reid, an hour of Rachel Maddow, and an hour of Chris Hayes, I knew they had nothing.

"After an hour of Joy Reid, an hour of Rachel Maddow, and an hour of Chris Hayes, I knew they had nothing."

Oh my goeyness, you deserve a medal for all that suffering. I couldn't have done it. It would be like listening to fingernails on a blackboard for me.

(01-11-2021 02:37 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(01-11-2021 01:29 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-11-2021 01:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  BTW has anyone in the MSM played the so called call to violence speech? You would think it would be plastered everywhere. It isn't.

Exactly. The lack of incriminating quotes/footage here really is like the dog that didn’t bark.

I didn’t watch Trump’s speech Wednesday and didn’t really know what he said or didn’t say. And by Thursday night, when all the liberals were screaming, I made a particular point to watch MSNBC because I knew they would be showing the “worst” parts of the speech in order to “prove” that Trump caused all the bad things to happen. After an hour of Joy Reid, an hour of Rachel Maddow, and an hour of Chris Hayes, I knew they had nothing.

"After an hour of Joy Reid, an hour of Rachel Maddow, and an hour of Chris Hayes, I knew they had nothing."

Oh my goeyness, you deserve a medal for all that suffering. I couldn't have done it. It would be like listening to fingernails on a blackboard for me.

Because he said to Protest "Peacefully and Patriotically" at the very end of his Speech when they had already started going into the House.

(01-11-2021 12:40 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  I was listening to Trump's speech live and watching the entire thing from start to finish at work.

At 1:02pm I sent this message to my friend:

"Wouldn't be surprised if sh*t goes down after this speech, he's doing a good job rallying these folks."

At 1:45pm I sent this:

"Uh, protestors have pushed into the Capitol building. They're on the steps now."

At 1:52pm:

"They've breached it. F*ck."

I don't like Pelosi or Biden or Trump or the Democrats or Republicans or most politicians, but I do believe in our Constitution. What I saw live with my own eyes and heard with my own ears was a straight up rally to incite violence to overturn fair and free elections.

Trump deserves impeachment. If I'm a Senator, I'd convict.

Weren’t you the one who said he was literally watching in horror?

This is what investigative journalism looks like.

And what is shows is that incompetence on those who were in control at the capitol is why this even happened.