(01-12-2021 12:23 PM)450bench Wrote: Liberals have been rioting, assaulting, burning stuff down, threatening, killing, breaking shiit for 4 years and NOW they wanna keep score on this kinda stuff? What a bunch of idiots.
It's a double standard for liberals. It's the only standard they have.
If it wasn't for Double Standards, they would have none.....
(01-11-2021 10:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: I'm assuming you mean false flag.
Regardless, it was not as far as we currently know. There is no evidence anywhere that anyone involved were Antifa.
Quote:WASHINGTON — The FBI said Friday that there was no indication that individuals associated with antifa disguised themselves as pro-Trump supporters in order to provoke the mob at the U.S. Capitol, a claim repeated by several Republican lawmakers.
When asked if the FBI had uncovered such efforts, Assistant Director Steven D’Antuono told reporters on a call, “We have no indication of that, at this time.”
One lady shouting something from hundreds of feet away and a few boos don't prove anything.
Please define "antifa". Do they have membership roles? Business cards?
No clue. But there's been dozens of arrests so far. Any of them have Antifa ties?
The right wing tried to claim the horned guy was Antifa, but it's more than clear he's QAnon.
Look, not saying the organizers of this seditious attack on our democracy were your garden variety trump supporter...they likely were not. They were most like QAnon, Proud Boys, Militia, Boobaloo Boi types. That being said, ALL these groups are hard-core trump supporters which trump never fully separated himself from.
These groups that support Trump are proud MAGA supporters to them. They think Make America Great Again is to turned back the clock to before Lincoln freed the slaves. Until our friends on this board on the right stop demonizing others, and stop posting QAnon Tweets that these people who are doing these things are not our friends. They are our enemies. They made Trump their leader with a voice who Trump is spreading their lies and conspiracy theories? Nothing will change. That is why we need to take the plateform away from Trump from stopping him to spread their propagandas to destroy this country.
(01-12-2021 12:23 PM)450bench Wrote: Liberals have been rioting, assaulting, burning stuff down, threatening, killing, breaking shiit for 4 years and NOW they wanna keep score on this kinda stuff? What a bunch of idiots.
Many of us on the left have condemned those actions. Stop lumping us all in the same category. It is double standards on your part for not condemning Trump and some Republicans for inciting these right wing terror groups.
(01-11-2021 10:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: I'm assuming you mean false flag.
Regardless, it was not as far as we currently know. There is no evidence anywhere that anyone involved were Antifa.
Quote:WASHINGTON — The FBI said Friday that there was no indication that individuals associated with antifa disguised themselves as pro-Trump supporters in order to provoke the mob at the U.S. Capitol, a claim repeated by several Republican lawmakers.
When asked if the FBI had uncovered such efforts, Assistant Director Steven D’Antuono told reporters on a call, “We have no indication of that, at this time.”
One lady shouting something from hundreds of feet away and a few boos don't prove anything.
Please define "antifa". Do they have membership roles? Business cards?
No clue. But there's been dozens of arrests so far. Any of them have Antifa ties?
The right wing tried to claim the horned guy was Antifa, but it's more than clear he's QAnon.
Look, not saying the organizers of this seditious attack on our democracy were your garden variety trump supporter...they likely were not. They were most like QAnon, Proud Boys, Militia, Boobaloo Boi types. That being said, ALL these groups are hard-core trump supporters which trump never fully separated himself from.
These groups that support Trump are proud MAGA supporters to them. They think Make America Great Again is to turned back the clock to before Lincoln freed the slaves. Until our friends on this board on the right stop demonizing others, and stop posting QAnon Tweets that these people who are doing these things are not our friends. They are our enemies. They made Trump their leader with a voice who Trump is spreading their lies and conspiracy theories? Nothing will change. That is why we need to take the plateform away from Trump from stopping him to spread their propagandas to destroy this country.
I agree---thats horrific---but if you watch the entire video of the officer being beaten by the crowd, you'll see MAGA members surround the officer and use their bodies to protect him. Literally almost as soon as the beating starts MAGA people move in to try to stop the violence against the officer (about the 15 second mark of the video). Those MAGA people then escort the officer away from harm, fending off those that try to strike him. So---yes there are some angry bad folks in that group----but its fairly clear that most of the MAGA people---even those surrounding the capital did not condone any violence and were not participating in violence (instead actively opposing it and placing themselves in harms way to do it). Of course, you wont see that footage on TV--especially on the fake news---which is odd since they have the same tape. So, MAGA is a "terror group"? Really? Of course not.
Im sure there are some scary folks included in the 81 million who supposedly voted for Biden--including bombers, arsonists, and killers. So, that means the Democratic Party is a terrorist group. See how silly painting everyone with a broad brush is. I do agree with you that a move to the center is the calming an inflamed nation needs---but I also have zero hope that the people in charge have any intention of an agenda aimed at either the center or calming the nation.
(01-12-2021 12:23 PM)450bench Wrote: Liberals have been rioting, assaulting, burning stuff down, threatening, killing, breaking shiit for 4 years and NOW they wanna keep score on this kinda stuff? What a bunch of idiots.
Many of us on the left have condemned those actions. Stop lumping us all in the same category. It is double standards on your part for not condemning Trump and some Republicans for inciting these right wing terror groups.
Post evidence that they incited terror groups or STFU.
(01-12-2021 12:23 PM)450bench Wrote: Liberals have been rioting, assaulting, burning stuff down, threatening, killing, breaking shiit for 4 years and NOW they wanna keep score on this kinda stuff? What a bunch of idiots.
Many of us on the left have condemned those actions. Stop lumping us all in the same category. It is double standards on your part for not condemning Trump and some Republicans for inciting these right wing terror groups.
Post evidence that they incited terror groups or STFU.
(01-12-2021 12:23 PM)450bench Wrote: Liberals have been rioting, assaulting, burning stuff down, threatening, killing, breaking shiit for 4 years and NOW they wanna keep score on this kinda stuff? What a bunch of idiots.
Many of us on the left have condemned those actions. Stop lumping us all in the same category. It is double standards on your part for not condemning Trump and some Republicans for inciting these right wing terror groups.
Post evidence that they incited terror groups or STFU.
And then you can watch the months and months of lies about a stolen election from your orange cult leader.
Did you watch the Mo Brooks video you scumbag communist. I did nowhere in the video did he call for violence, taking names and kicking rear really? Same with Rudy nobody suggested storming into the Capitol. And since the police were opening doors and letting people in it was clearly planned by someone high up the food chain to do this.
(01-12-2021 12:23 PM)450bench Wrote: Liberals have been rioting, assaulting, burning stuff down, threatening, killing, breaking shiit for 4 years and NOW they wanna keep score on this kinda stuff? What a bunch of idiots.
Many of us on the left have condemned those actions. Stop lumping us all in the same category. It is double standards on your part for not condemning Trump and some Republicans for inciting these right wing terror groups.
Post evidence that they incited terror groups or STFU.
And then you can watch the months and months of lies about a stolen election from your orange cult leader.
lol...So leftists propagandists went back and edited together the most inflammatory things said at the rally by all its speakers---and STILL couldnt find a single quote where the crowd was told to commit violence, storm the capital, or do anything other than protest peaceably. Lol---these would be the same bleating morons that constantly ignore any evidence of voter fraud by claiming its either not convincing enough or "its too small to make a difference"......By the way, the FBI has already said much of the violence was "pre-meditated" and "planned". Jeez...kinda undermines the whole "incited violence" claim doesnt it? In fact, even the leftist rag the NY Times says the FBI warned authorities that groups were planning violence at that rally well beforehand. YOU HAVE NO CASE.
(01-12-2021 12:23 PM)450bench Wrote: Liberals have been rioting, assaulting, burning stuff down, threatening, killing, breaking shiit for 4 years and NOW they wanna keep score on this kinda stuff? What a bunch of idiots.
Many of us on the left have condemned those actions. Stop lumping us all in the same category. It is double standards on your part for not condemning Trump and some Republicans for inciting these right wing terror groups.
Post evidence that they incited terror groups or STFU.
And then you can watch the months and months of lies about a stolen election from your orange cult leader.
lol...So leftists propagandists went back and edited together the most inflammatory things said at the rally by all its speakers---and STILL couldnt find a single quote where the crowd was told to commit violence, storm the capital, or do anything other than protest peaceably. Lol---these would be the same bleating morons that constantly ignore any evidence of voter fraud by claiming its either not convincing enough or "its too small to make a difference"......Jeez.
That is why someone ordered the police to remove barricades and open doors to the let them in. The Dems wanted to remove any speech regarding voter fraud on the house floor and that is exactly what happened.
(01-12-2021 02:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote: Many of us on the left have condemned those actions. Stop lumping us all in the same category. It is double standards on your part for not condemning Trump and some Republicans for inciting these right wing terror groups.
Post evidence that they incited terror groups or STFU.
And then you can watch the months and months of lies about a stolen election from your orange cult leader.
lol...So leftists propagandists went back and edited together the most inflammatory things said at the rally by all its speakers---and STILL couldnt find a single quote where the crowd was told to commit violence, storm the capital, or do anything other than protest peaceably. Lol---these would be the same bleating morons that constantly ignore any evidence of voter fraud by claiming its either not convincing enough or "its too small to make a difference"......Jeez.
That is why someone ordered the police to remove barricades and open doors to the let them in. The Dems wanted to remove any speech regarding voter fraud on the house floor and that is exactly what happened.
If you honestly think democrats are that competent as to pull off that whole invasion to stop debate on a process that trump had absolutely zero chance of changing to his favor, you're dumber than I thought.
And then you can watch the months and months of lies about a stolen election from your orange cult leader.
lol...So leftists propagandists went back and edited together the most inflammatory things said at the rally by all its speakers---and STILL couldnt find a single quote where the crowd was told to commit violence, storm the capital, or do anything other than protest peaceably. Lol---these would be the same bleating morons that constantly ignore any evidence of voter fraud by claiming its either not convincing enough or "its too small to make a difference"......Jeez.
That is why someone ordered the police to remove barricades and open doors to the let them in. The Dems wanted to remove any speech regarding voter fraud on the house floor and that is exactly what happened.
If you honestly think democrats are that competent as to pull off that whole invasion to stop debate on a process that trump had absolutely zero chance of changing to his favor, you're dumber than I thought.
But go on...you're delusions warm my heart.
Here I agree. Simple incompetence. They failed to properly secure the capital.
Ive seen the videos of the gates being forcibly overwhelmed. And yes---Ive also seen the video of the police simply opening the gate and letting people through. My guess is the video where the police simply open the entrance occurred after the others gates were already overwhelmed. In other words, it probably no longer mattered anymore if that gate was closed---the outer ring had already been massively breached. Thats what I suspect they will discover when its all said and done.
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And then you can watch the months and months of lies about a stolen election from your orange cult leader.
lol...So leftists propagandists went back and edited together the most inflammatory things said at the rally by all its speakers---and STILL couldnt find a single quote where the crowd was told to commit violence, storm the capital, or do anything other than protest peaceably. Lol---these would be the same bleating morons that constantly ignore any evidence of voter fraud by claiming its either not convincing enough or "its too small to make a difference"......Jeez.
That is why someone ordered the police to remove barricades and open doors to the let them in. The Dems wanted to remove any speech regarding voter fraud on the house floor and that is exactly what happened.
If you honestly think democrats are that competent as to pull off that whole invasion to stop debate on a process that trump had absolutely zero chance of changing to his favor, you're dumber than I thought.
But go on...you're delusions warm my heart.
Here I agree. Simple incompetence. They failed to properly secure the capital.
Ive seen the videos of the gates being forcibly overwhelmed. And yes---Ive also seen the video of the police simply opening the gate and letting people through. My guess is the video where the police simply open the entrance occurred after the others gates were already overwhelmed. In other words, it probably no longer mattered anymore if that gate was closed---the outer ring had already been massively breached. Thats what I suspect they will discover when its all said and done.
Spot on. The failure was in the planning...or lack thereof. I thought I heard that the force on hand that day was the same as in a normal day. If true, that's unconscionable.
Most likely, the officers were just retreating from a forward position to fortify a more interior barrier after it was breached. The guys on hand did the best they could for the most part. The failure was on their leadership. That being said, there were a handful of officers who were sympathetic to the insurrectionists...and a few have already been punished...and the rest hopefully will be soon.
And then you can watch the months and months of lies about a stolen election from your orange cult leader.
lol...So leftists propagandists went back and edited together the most inflammatory things said at the rally by all its speakers---and STILL couldnt find a single quote where the crowd was told to commit violence, storm the capital, or do anything other than protest peaceably. Lol---these would be the same bleating morons that constantly ignore any evidence of voter fraud by claiming its either not convincing enough or "its too small to make a difference"......Jeez.
That is why someone ordered the police to remove barricades and open doors to the let them in. The Dems wanted to remove any speech regarding voter fraud on the house floor and that is exactly what happened.
If you honestly think democrats are that competent as to pull off that whole invasion to stop debate on a process that trump had absolutely zero chance of changing to his favor, you're dumber than I thought.
But go on...you're delusions warm my heart.
Tom you seem to think that MAGA really means Make America White Again so you are not exactly playing in reality land either.
(01-12-2021 12:23 PM)450bench Wrote: Liberals have been rioting, assaulting, burning stuff down, threatening, killing, breaking shiit for 4 years and NOW they wanna keep score on this kinda stuff? What a bunch of idiots.
Many of us on the left have condemned those actions. Stop lumping us all in the same category. It is double standards on your part for not condemning Trump and some Republicans for inciting these right wing terror groups.
Post evidence that they incited terror groups or STFU.
(01-12-2021 12:23 PM)450bench Wrote: Liberals have been rioting, assaulting, burning stuff down, threatening, killing, breaking shiit for 4 years and NOW they wanna keep score on this kinda stuff? What a bunch of idiots.
Many of us on the left have condemned those actions. Stop lumping us all in the same category. It is double standards on your part for not condemning Trump and some Republicans for inciting these right wing terror groups.
Post evidence that they incited terror groups or STFU.
Whats funny is these morons on the left think that "right wing extremist violence" at the Capitol. lol Wonder what they'll think when they see actual violence if the Dems push too far.
(01-12-2021 02:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote: Many of us on the left have condemned those actions. Stop lumping us all in the same category. It is double standards on your part for not condemning Trump and some Republicans for inciting these right wing terror groups.
Post evidence that they incited terror groups or STFU.