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As most of you probably have figured out, I am very concerned about the future, both short-term and long-term. I decided to set forth my thoughts for comment.

In 1992 Ross Perot said something that I had been thinking for quite some time by then, “In the post-Cold-War era, economic power will be more important than military power.” China has, unfortunately, learned and applied that lesson better than we have. While we are tied down trying to impose our will militarily on a Mideast that has been fighting each other for thousands of years (“My brother and I will fight my cousin, my cousin and I will fight the world”), China has made us economically dependent on them and has outflanked us economically in South Asia and Africa with the Belt and Road policy, and is starting to make inroads into Latin America.

State Capitalism is basically fascism. As long as it is easier for us to depend upon them than to develop and grow our own free market economy further, we will lose that economic battle. So we need an economic policy that, simultaneously, 1) eliminates or minimizes the economic advantages that China has, and 2) develops and enhances the advantages that a free market offers. My fear is that the tax and regulatory policies being advanced by democrats will accelerate the offshoring to China of essential production.

At the same time, we need a military policy that focuses on protecting us from threats while avoiding entanglement in matters of low or no concern to us. There seem to be two areas where we have tended to get involved militarily—things that are direct threats to us, and other humanitarian areas where things just aren’t quite right. My thinking is that the first requires application of military force, and overwhelming force, while the second is better addressed diplomatically.

Make no mistake, we are in Cold War II, and this time China is the enemy. China is a formidable opponent, but not without feet of clay. One, they are an alliance of people who don’t like each other very much—the warlike north doesn’t get along well with the commercial Shanghai/Yangtze Valley, and neither really wants much to do with the Cantonese south, not to mention Tibet and the Uighurs in the west. So their approach has been to export cheap consumer goods, and use the cash flow to underwrite projects with little or no economic value (the empty cities, for example) to keep the underlings too busy to revolt. A hiccup in the economy and it all falls apart. When natural forces overcome the ability of state capitalism to manipulate results, their economy crashes and their people starve. Two, that economy is hugely dependent on imported oil. China produces about 4MMBbl/day, and falling, and consumes about 12MMBbl/day, and rising. So there’s 8+MMBbl/day that has to come from somewhere. About 2MMBbl/day comes from Siberia, and a new pipeline promises to double that. That leaves 4MMBbl/day to come from the Mideast, and until somebody figures out how to build a pipeline over the Himalayas, and protect it from Uighur and Tibetan terrorists, that means a sea route through the Straits of Hormuz, around India, through either the Malacca or Sunda Straits, and across the South China Sea. Their budding alliance with Iran should help them on the Hormuz end, and they have a pretty fair shot at controlling the SCS end. But they are in a world of hurt protecting the middle of that supply chain. Right now, the guarantor of safe passage through those middle steps is the US Navy. Withdraw that, and the problems protecting that supply chain become overwhelming for PLAN. If you look at what they are doing, they are taking major steps to gain more control of this essential supply chain—the alliance with Iran, the artificial islands in the SCS, and the port deals that they are making in south Asia and Africa are all aimed toward that objective.

So, how do we respond to this situation? I have several thoughts:

1) Make the changes to our tax system that Europe has made over the last 20-40 years to become more competitive
a. implement a consumption tax (that has mild protective impacts, because we get to charge it on imports, and refund it on exports [“subsidizing” them], without it counting as a tariff under WTO rules); as long as we don’t have a consumption tax, but everybody else does, we will always be at a structural disadvantage in any trade negotiation;
b. restructure our income taxes toward a lower, flatter, and broader (fewer/no non-business exclusions and deductions) tax structure (both Bowles-Simpson and Domenici-Rivlin recommended this as a way to increase tax revenues while promoting economic growth); and
c. set tax levels to balance the budget while i) providing universal private health care on the Bismarck model and ii) implement a subsistence-level universal basic income (UBI) based on Milton Friedman’s negative income tax (NIT) or the Boortz-Linder prebate/prefund, to replace our current welfare hodge-podge (which can be farmed out to the states on a voluntary basis with the money they save because Bismarck makes Medicaid redundant).
Doing those things would simultaneously provide a more comprehensive welfare safety net while making the USA a far more attractive location for investment, growth, and middle-class jobs. In doing international tax work, I have always been amazed that Europe has figured out how to provide both. We can do it too.
2) Curb the power of our unelected and unaccountable regulatory bureaucracy by
a. Requiring congressional consent to new rulemaking, including all rules with an economic impact greater than, say, $1B/year, and any other rules upon petition by 20% of congress,
b. Conducting sunset reviews of each agency and all its rules and regulations every 10 years, and
c. Replacing the current process of adjudication by captive Administrative Law Judges (ALJs) who report ultimately to the executive director of the agency, by establishing Article III administrative law courts in each Federal Judicial District, with appeal up through the District Courts and Circuit Courts of that Circuit rather than directly to the DC Circuit
Again, this is basically a European approach.
3) Consider subsidies or other incentives to bring back essential industries (primarily medical, IT). Perot talked about identifying key industries and providing focused incentives to bring/keep them in the USA. We can do that.

With these changes in place, we would be in a far stronger position to compete, not only with China, but with other countries. A lot of people don’t realize that China is but one component of massive trade deficits that we have with the vast majority of foreign countries.

There is also a military component to our cold war with China. I would propose that we make some changes there, too:
1) We need to reorient our military. We currently spend 16% of our defense budget on combat, 7% on combat support, and 77% on administration/overhead, per consulting firm McKinsey’s analysis at https://defense-aerospace.com/dae/articl...ce_VF.pdf. Out of a $700 billion defense budget, that’s roughly $110B on combat, $50B on combat support, and $540B on admin/overhead. We could increase combat by 25% (to $138B), increase combat support by 25% (to $62B), and cut admin/overhead by 25% (to $405B), and save roughly $100B, while producing a more capable fighting force. We can spend part of that $100B on some of the economic and diplomatic efforts to execute this strategy, and save the rest. In addition to spending cuts, we need to define better the roles of each branch, and avoid duplication by having each branch stay in its lane.
2) Get out of the Mideast militarily and never fight another war that we don’t intend to win. I see two viable objectives in the Mideast, 1) in Iraq, fix the problems generated at San Remo by dividing the country into three parts, Kurdistan in the north, Shia Mesopotamia in the east, and Sunni Iraq west of the Euphrates, and 2) find a solution for the Israeli-Palestinian crisis (and there is no viable two-state solution within the current footprint of Israel) and try to work some sort of Tom Clancy approach to exchanging an open Jerusalem to Arab recognition of Israeli sovereignty. Those are both more diplomatic than military objectives, although some military force might be required to implement them.
3) Recognize that there are three potential world hot spots—East Asia (with China), Europe (with Russia versus western Europe), and the Mideast (with Iran versus Saudi versus Turkey versus Israel). I don’t think we can invade and solve any of them, but if we can contain them we should be okay. Truman bribed up an alliance to contain the Soviets and Reagan applied economic pressure to bring down the Evil Empire. I think we can still contain Russia in Europe, and I think we can reprise the Truman/Reagan approach to bring China down eventually. The Mideast is a tougher nut to crack, but none of the 4 parties poses any sort of existential threat to the USA.
4) With respect to containing China, I see several pieces to the puzzle:
a. We already have an alliance with the Quad—USA, Japan, Australia, India—which comprises the four countries with the ability to make any sort of dent in China militarily, so do all that we can to strengthen that alliance and bring it closer together.
b. Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the UK are considering a CANZUK economic and possibly military alliance, both to counter China and to make Brexit less painful for the UK. We should do everything we can to foster and support that alliance, and we should enter some sort of trade and military association with it. My thought would be to bring UK into NAFTA/USMCA. That gets us aligned with two of the four CANZUK countries (and we already have the Quad militarily with Australia). Bring Aussie and NZ in, and we are in a pretty powerful position.
c. Expand that alliance to include the whole British Commonwealth. There has been a proposal out there to form a combined Commonwealth military. That would be no worse than the 4th strongest military in the world, and the 2nd strongest navy. We could get them to take over a significant portion of our worldwide policeman duties—UK in Europe/Atlantic, India in South Asia/Indian Ocean, Canada/Aussie/NZ in the Pacific. In particular, India, Malaysia, and Singapore would pose a serious threat to China’s oil lifeline. We wouldn’t shut it down, but we would have significant leverage in any negotiation.
d. Do some sort of revised TPP/SEATO with both economic and military aspects to bring Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand, and the Philippines into the fold. We can basically make the same bribe that Truman made to western Europe after WWII—access to our consumer markets, military protection (but we have to show up enough to make this serious), and one additional thing—finding a way to move the industry and manufacturing that we don’t need to repatriate from China to them.

This is clearly not an easy agenda. But it is doable, and if we can execute it we can reverse the current trends that are leaning China’s way. All we need to do is find someone in a leadership position to implement these approaches. Unfortunately, I don’t see anything approaching that in either major party.
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It may not be an easy agenda. Might get in the way of a billion or two more for Hunter and the 'big man'.

As grotesque as Trump is/was, he was the one politician in my lifetime that identified and called out China for bully and for the threat it is. He forced the issue into the limelight. Much like Reagan forced the issue with the Soviets all the while the Democrats at the time were studiously trying to keep them as 'friends in spirit'.

If Biden can keep up the issue, that might be an uptick for me with him. That remains to be seen, to put it lightly.

Same issue for Iran. Joe was a hard and fast proponent of shipping a billion in hard cash back to that thuggish regime, via US Air Force armored carrier service nonetheless.

Again, I dont see Joe (or any progressive for that matter) doing anything but performing a body wash on Iran. But again, we shall see. I hope that I would be proved wrong on that point.
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Maybe I'm dreaming. I can't see republicans or democrats doing it.
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Numbers, I share most if not all of your concerns both short-term (< 12 months), long-term (>12 months) and beyond (2/3/5/10 years) .

However, my experience of living in the UK has provided me with a quite different perspective, but maybe I'm being too parochial. So here's an American viewpoint of the UK to 'counter' your proposals.

If the UK is Europe...
1) The UK tax system provides me so much foreign tax credit that I could never hope to pay US income tax. (The only exception is capital gains that are currently set at 15%.). My National Insurance contribution is higher than Social Security (last time I checked) and then there's VAT (Value Added Tax aka consumption tax) at 20% on everything(?), but food. Petrol / Diesel (currently at about $6/gallon) enjoys double taxation: once at the refinery and then at the pump. In fact I believe I pay tax at the pump on tax levied at the refinery. The only offset I can think of is Real Estate taxes that are lower over here, but they don't actually fund locally services in the same way as they do in the US. So the tax burden on individuals is greater than the US. I know in recent years the UK is trying to align it's business taxes to be more competitive with Europe (mainly Germany who is making the most of an undervalued Euro?). VAT can be so complex as to be almost inexplicable. I remember seeing a VAT guide that dwarfed the Internal Revenue Code. (At least the last one I saw in the '90s.) As an example, when I was working in Belgium there was one VAT rate for biscuits to be eaten by customers/clients. Another VAT rate for biscuits to be eaten by employees. And a third rate for biscuits purchased for consumption by customer/clients that might be eaten by employees.

Yes we have the National Healthcare System (aka the "NHS") in the UK. As politicians say, "Free at the point of delivery" (But not really free.) And the fact of the matter is the NHS would crumble under demand except for private health insurance (with private hospitals) afforded primarily(?) to white collar workers in the private sector or purchased privately. (I waited nearly four years for a back operation by the NHS that was only secured by first going to a neurosurgeon under private insurance. When the NHS medical staff all but apologized for my situation, I stated that "healthcare was a limited resource". No one argued otherwise.) Honestly I haven't read a comprehensive analysis of the Bismarck Model, so maybe that's part of a solution? But as Austrian Economists point out, "The only certainty of government intervention is more government intervention." One way the UK government sell the NHS to its citizens is to promulgate the myth that there is no public healthcare in the US. Not limited healthcare, but no healthcare. "In the US if you don't have health insurance you don't access to any healthcare anywhere."

[We also have an extensive public transport system in the UK, especially London, but that would buckle under demand if not for private transport. Moreover the taxes on autos and fuel (about $3/gallon) probably keeps the UK government afloat. If people would park their cars I'm not sure how long the UK government could survive. Even in our current lockdown you're allowed to drive albeit in somewhat limited fashion.]

My UK State Pension will be a fraction of what my Social Security benefit would be in the US. But you see that is to be expected. In the UK the government is in your pockets 24/7. That's the defining characteristic of the welfare state. It's a multiplicity of benefits and benefit systems administered by a multiplicity of government agencies funded by a multiplicity of taxes. The woeful state pension is augmented by winter fuel payments for the elderly, council tax (real estate tax) credits, etc., etc. From what I've read, UBI has been a failure wherever it's been tried (mainly Scandinavia). Pay people to do nothing and that's what the majority will do(?).

At this point I must ensure that you understand the expectations of the 'average' UK citizen have been 'moderated' by generations of social and economic stagnation. Many believe there is only so much prosperity to go around and it's just divided accordingly. Where most Americans (imho) look to build on the economic and social progress of their parents, my experience is that the British are generally less optimistic.

2) The Courts and its extended officers continue to fail the general public on both sides of the pond. Until we can overcome "one law for the political elites and another for everyone else" there will be frustration among the 'great unwashed' that will not always be readily 'controlled'. The politicalization and weaponization of the Courts, the DoJ, and other government agencies must be reversed with more than "all deliberate speed".

3) To allow strategic industries to be offshored is unconscionable. No discussion or clarification required.


1) Military spending needs to be reviewed. A standing Army / Navy / Air Force / Coast Guard should cost "x". The infrastructure should cost "y". Development of future weapons systems / capability and everything else costs "z". Cost and infrastructure can be discussed openly, future weapons systems/capability not so much.

2 / 3) As for military intervention I agree a different approach needs to be found. Various factions (not to be impolite) have been fighting in the Middle East since Biblical times. Actually pretty much since the beginning of time and without resolution. The recent implementation of political Islam by Turkey is especially troubling. A return to the failed policies of Obama in this area and with respect to China and Russia would be problematic. China continues to be provocative with impunity (?). [Glad to see the recent US change in its stance with Taiwan.]

4) I'm perplexed that China is getting a pass on COVID. Their actions in the past twelve plus months clearly indicate a willingness to exploit a situation that they created. Some have argued that it was anything but accidental. It was clearly negligent at the very least. Not holding them accountable should not be an option. China's ability to manipulate the WHO, et. al., should be troubling and addressed accordingly. Thankfully the Thousand Talents Program is now recognized as a vehicle “to facilitate the legal and illicit transfer of US technology, intellectual property and know-how” to China.

Additionally...
On the legislative front I'd like to see a line item veto. This would allow legislation to 'pass' to the Executive rather than the impasse we've seen time and again. The Executive can veto those 'lines' they disagree with and avoid government by Executive Order. The Executive veto could be overturned, but hopefully on a line by line basis.
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(01-11-2021 10:50 AM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  Numbers, I share most if not all of your concerns both short-term (< 12 months), long-term (>12 months) and beyond (2/3/5/10 years) .

However, my experience of living in the UK has provided me with a quite different perspective, but maybe I'm being too parochial. So here's an American viewpoint of the UK to 'counter' your proposals.

If the UK is Europe...
1) The UK tax system provides me so much foreign tax credit that I could never hope to pay US income tax. (The only exception is capital gains that are currently set at 15%.). My National Insurance contribution is higher than Social Security (last time I checked) and then there's VAT (Value Added Tax aka consumption tax) at 20% on everything(?), but food. Petrol / Diesel (currently at about $6/gallon) enjoys double taxation: once at the refinery and then at the pump. In fact I believe I pay tax at the pump on tax levied at the refinery. The only offset I can think of is Real Estate taxes that are lower over here, but they don't actually fund locally services in the same way as they do in the US. So the tax burden on individuals is greater than the US. I know in recent years the UK is trying to align it's business taxes to be more competitive with Europe (mainly Germany who is making the most of an undervalued Euro?). VAT can be so complex as to be almost inexplicable. I remember seeing a VAT guide that dwarfed the Internal Revenue Code. (At least the last one I saw in the '90s.) As an example, when I was working in Belgium there was one VAT rate for biscuits to be eaten by customers/clients. Another VAT rate for biscuits to be eaten by employees. And a third rate for biscuits purchased for consumption by customer/clients that might be eaten by employees.

Yes we have the National Healthcare System (aka the "NHS") in the UK. As politicians say, "Free at the point of delivery" (But not really free.) And the fact of the matter is the NHS would crumble under demand except for private health insurance (with private hospitals) afforded primarily(?) to white collar workers in the private sector or purchased privately. (I waited nearly four years for a back operation by the NHS that was only secured by first going to a neurosurgeon under private insurance. When the NHS medical staff all but apologized for my situation, I stated that "healthcare was a limited resource". No one argued otherwise.) Honestly I haven't read a comprehensive analysis of the Bismarck Model, so maybe that's part of a solution? But as Austrian Economists point out, "The only certainty of government intervention is more government intervention." One way the UK government sell the NHS to its citizens is to promulgate the myth that there is no public healthcare in the US. Not limited healthcare, but no healthcare. "In the US if you don't have health insurance you don't access to any healthcare anywhere."

[We also have an extensive public transport system in the UK, especially London, but that would buckle under demand if not for private transport. Moreover the taxes on autos and fuel (about $3/gallon) probably keeps the UK government afloat. If people would park their cars I'm not sure how long the UK government could survive. Even in our current lockdown you're allowed to drive albeit in somewhat limited fashion.]

My UK State Pension will be a fraction of what my Social Security benefit would be in the US. But you see that is to be expected. In the UK the government is in your pockets 24/7. That's the defining characteristic of the welfare state. It's a multiplicity of benefits and benefit systems administered by a multiplicity of government agencies funded by a multiplicity of taxes. The woeful state pension is augmented by winter fuel payments for the elderly, council tax (real estate tax) credits, etc., etc. From what I've read, UBI has been a failure wherever it's been tried (mainly Scandinavia). Pay people to do nothing and that's what the majority will do(?).

At this point I must ensure that you understand the expectations of the 'average' UK citizen have been 'moderated' by generations of social and economic stagnation. Many believe there is only so much prosperity to go around and it's just divided accordingly. Where most Americans (imho) look to build on the economic and social progress of their parents, my experience is that the British are generally less optimistic.

2) The Courts and its extended officers continue to fail the general public on both sides of the pond. Until we can overcome "one law for the political elites and another for everyone else" there will be frustration among the 'great unwashed' that will not always be readily 'controlled'. The politicalization and weaponization of the Courts, the DoJ, and other government agencies must be reversed with more than "all deliberate speed".

3) To allow strategic industries to be offshored is unconscionable. No discussion or clarification required.


1) Military spending needs to be reviewed. A standing Army / Navy / Air Force / Coast Guard should cost "x". The infrastructure should cost "y". Development of future weapons systems / capability and everything else costs "z". Cost and infrastructure can be discussed openly, future weapons systems/capability not so much.

2 / 3) As for military intervention I agree a different approach needs to be found. Various factions (not to be impolite) have been fighting in the Middle East since Biblical times. Actually pretty much since the beginning of time and without resolution. The recent implementation of political Islam by Turkey is especially troubling. A return to the failed policies of Obama in this area and with respect to China and Russia would be problematic. China continues to be provocative with impunity (?). [Glad to see the recent US change in its stance with Taiwan.]

4) I'm perplexed that China is getting a pass on COVID. Their actions in the past twelve plus months clearly indicate a willingness to exploit a situation that they created. Some have argued that it was anything but accidental. It was clearly negligent at the very least. Not holding them accountable should not be an option. China's ability to manipulate the WHO, et. al., should be troubling and addressed accordingly. Thankfully the Thousand Talents Program is now recognized as a vehicle “to facilitate the legal and illicit transfer of US technology, intellectual property and know-how” to China.

Additionally...
On the legislative front I'd like to see a line item veto. This would allow legislation to 'pass' to the Executive rather than the impasse we've seen time and again. The Executive can veto those 'lines' they disagree with and avoid government by Executive Order. The Executive veto could be overturned, but hopefully on a line by line basis.

I think the idea of line item veto is good and support it.

Newt's contract with America program implemented it -- however it was challenged and found to be unconstitutional in the 1998 case that went to the SCOTUS (Clinton v. City of New York).

Some have tried to massage the process to address the CvCNY problems, both in 2006 and 2009, but each time the efforts failed in Congress. And, unless there is an underlying vote in Congress to allow any specific line item issue, there probably wont be any viable unilateral line item veto without an amendment to the Constitution.
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I do NOT support the line item veto. In the wrong hands, like the ones we are about to have, it amounts to government by a dictator.
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(01-10-2021 05:09 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Again, I dont see Joe (or any progressive for that matter) doing anything but performing a body wash on Iran. But again, we shall see. I hope that I would be proved wrong on that point.

One could be forgiven for noting that the "progressive" attitude toward America's enemies might be nicely summarized by the age-old adage: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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(01-11-2021 11:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I do NOT support the line item veto. In the wrong hands, like the ones we are about to have, it amounts to government by a dictator.

You could easily be right and I could easily be wrong.

I'm just trying to think of a way of avoiding the nonsense we see time and time again where funding for the unthinkable is inextricably tied to paying for someone's iron lung. If one votes against said legislation it just gets reported that you wanted to pull the plug on a loved one's life.

Plus the fact that certain activist judges seemingly feel that Executive Orders should be maintained indefinitely if the judge is in agreement with same. in my humble opinion all Executive Orders should be sunsetted one month after the end of a presidential term. There would be nothing to prevent them from being reintroduced in the following term if the then President is like minded.
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(01-11-2021 06:53 PM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  
(01-11-2021 11:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I do NOT support the line item veto. In the wrong hands, like the ones we are about to have, it amounts to government by a dictator.

You could easily be right and I could easily be wrong.

I'm just trying to think of a way of avoiding the nonsense we see time and time again where funding for the unthinkable is inextricably tied to paying for someone's iron lung. If one votes against said legislation it just gets reported that you wanted to pull the plug on a loved one's life.

Plus the fact that certain activist judges seemingly feel that Executive Orders should be maintained indefinitely if the judge is in agreement with same. in my humble opinion all Executive Orders should be sunsetted one month after the end of a presidential term. There would be nothing to prevent them from being reintroduced in the following term if the then President is like minded.

And correspondingly, some activist judges apparently deem that a first Executive Action cant be undone by a following Executive Action if the judge is in agreement with the form EA.

Also known as the progressive ratchet form of judicial decision.
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(01-11-2021 06:53 PM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  You could easily be right and I could easily be wrong.

Talk about obsolete thinking! Didn't 2020 (or the years leading up to it) teach you anything? People one disagrees with are NECESSARILY wrong -- and stupid, and evil.
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(01-12-2021 12:07 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-11-2021 06:53 PM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  You could easily be right and I could easily be wrong.

Talk about obsolete thinking! Didn't 2020 (or the years leading up to it) teach you anything? People one disagrees with are NECESSARILY wrong -- and stupid, and evil.

My Father didn't necessarily teach me how to get ahead, but he did teach me what was fair and what was honest. I have failed innumerous times to meet this standard. I'll keep trying regardless.
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(01-12-2021 07:12 AM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:07 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-11-2021 06:53 PM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  You could easily be right and I could easily be wrong.

Talk about obsolete thinking! Didn't 2020 (or the years leading up to it) teach you anything? People one disagrees with are NECESSARILY wrong -- and stupid, and evil.

My Father didn't necessarily teach me how to get ahead, but he did teach me what was fair and what was honest. I have failed innumerous times to meet this standard. I'll keep trying regardless.

Well said. I have similar thoughts toward my father and mother.
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RE: Thoughts about China, the USA, and the world
(01-12-2021 12:07 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-11-2021 06:53 PM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  You could easily be right and I could easily be wrong.

Talk about obsolete thinking! Didn't 2020 (or the years leading up to it) teach you anything? People one disagrees with are NECESSARILY wrong -- and stupid, and evil.

And they should be restrained from spreading their wrong, stupid, evil ideas through social media.
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