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No way we get into any athletics events this spring.
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Spring semester tuition not due until Feb 10. I'd tell Leebron to shove it - no reason they can't keep going in-person with the same rigorous testing protocols that they already have in place.

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My younger sister (a freshman at Wash U) is returning to campus on 1/21.

Just some perspective on what “peer institutions” are doing.
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(01-08-2021 03:59 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  My younger sister (a freshman at Wash U) is returning to campus on 1/21.

Just some perspective on what “peer institutions” are doing.

Trust me you wouldn’t know if athletics started at Wash U or not.
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(01-08-2021 03:59 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  My younger sister (a freshman at Wash U) is returning to campus on 1/21.

Just some perspective on what “peer institutions” are doing.

First, you're right that students can return on campus at WashU [https://students.wustl.edu/academicbreakhousinginformation/], but this piece of information alone is misleading because in-person learning only applies for select courses.
https://ucollege.wustl.edu/resources-stu...nd-faculty
"Spring 2021 Semester
In response to Covid-19, all University College courses will be offered online for the fall semester [sic]. There may be a few courses that will also require limited contact in person (such as the organic chemistry lab), but the vast majority will occur online only."

Plus, this is such a selective vision of "peer institutions"... One thing that's consistent among a wider range of peers is that in-person learning is only being conducted on a course-by-course basis, with priorities given to certain types of courses where virtual delivery cannot sufficiently accomplish course objectives.

Harvard: https://www.fas.harvard.edu/news/harvard...-2021-plan
"For all enrolled students, instruction will continue to be fully remote for the remainder of the academic year."

Stanford: https://healthalerts.stanford.edu/covid-19/
"Classes will be mostly remote for the winter quarter, with limited classes offered in-person."

MIT: https://orgchart.mit.edu/node/5/letters_...g-semester (Note: Spring semester starts February instead of January like Rice)
"Just as in the fall, many of our subjects will be taught exclusively online, with some opportunities for undergraduates living on campus and some graduate students to have in-person instruction."

UChicago: https://news.uchicago.edu/story/uchicago...g-quarters
"January 11 to 15: All College courses will be conducted remotely
January 19: In-person instruction begins for applicable classes"

Yale: https://covid19.yale.edu/community-messa...g-semester
"We will invite sophomores, juniors, and seniors to live on campus or in the New Haven area during the spring semester. We encourage first-year undergraduates to continue their studies with Yale’s faculty remotely."
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UT is now starting online as well.

My daughter heads back to Purdue Monday for her spring semester. Most of her classes will be online now but I imagine she is like many college freshmen and still wants to be experiencing college on campus and not from her bedroom.

I doubt this changes the athletic schedules for the spring. The only thing that would impact their schedules (IMO) is we have a bad outbreak of positive cases among student-athletes and/or staff. As the OP stated though, it does seem unlikely that we'll have the ability to see fans at sporting events. Perhaps they allow limited folks at baseball games and other outdoor venues (soccer/track), but indoor crowds would be hard to fathom.
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(01-08-2021 03:59 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  My younger sister (a freshman at Wash U) is returning to campus on 1/21.

Just some perspective on what “peer institutions” are doing.

UNC has delayed in person classes by 3 weeks. “Normal” start date for remote learning.

Pretty much the same thing as Rice.
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(01-08-2021 10:29 PM)MartelOwl_08 Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 03:59 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  My younger sister (a freshman at Wash U) is returning to campus on 1/21.

Just some perspective on what “peer institutions” are doing.

First, you're right that students can return on campus at WashU [https://students.wustl.edu/academicbreakhousinginformation/], but this piece of information alone is misleading because in-person learning only applies for select courses.
https://ucollege.wustl.edu/resources-stu...nd-faculty
"Spring 2021 Semester
In response to Covid-19, all University College courses will be offered online for the fall semester [sic]. There may be a few courses that will also require limited contact in person (such as the organic chemistry lab), but the vast majority will occur online only."

Plus, this is such a selective vision of "peer institutions"... One thing that's consistent among a wider range of peers is that in-person learning is only being conducted on a course-by-course basis, with priorities given to certain types of courses where virtual delivery cannot sufficiently accomplish course objectives.

Harvard: https://www.fas.harvard.edu/news/harvard...-2021-plan
"For all enrolled students, instruction will continue to be fully remote for the remainder of the academic year."

Stanford: https://healthalerts.stanford.edu/covid-19/
"Classes will be mostly remote for the winter quarter, with limited classes offered in-person."

MIT: https://orgchart.mit.edu/node/5/letters_...g-semester (Note: Spring semester starts February instead of January like Rice)
"Just as in the fall, many of our subjects will be taught exclusively online, with some opportunities for undergraduates living on campus and some graduate students to have in-person instruction."

UChicago: https://news.uchicago.edu/story/uchicago...g-quarters
"January 11 to 15: All College courses will be conducted remotely
January 19: In-person instruction begins for applicable classes"

Yale: https://covid19.yale.edu/community-messa...g-semester
"We will invite sophomores, juniors, and seniors to live on campus or in the New Haven area during the spring semester. We encourage first-year undergraduates to continue their studies with Yale’s faculty remotely."

Yeah-but my impression is that despite Rice making a big deal of the tent/outdoor classrooms, many of the fall semester classes were online only as well..
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(01-09-2021 10:54 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 10:29 PM)MartelOwl_08 Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 03:59 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  My younger sister (a freshman at Wash U) is returning to campus on 1/21.

Just some perspective on what “peer institutions” are doing.

First, you're right that students can return on campus at WashU [https://students.wustl.edu/academicbreakhousinginformation/], but this piece of information alone is misleading because in-person learning only applies for select courses.
https://ucollege.wustl.edu/resources-stu...nd-faculty
"Spring 2021 Semester
In response to Covid-19, all University College courses will be offered online for the fall semester [sic]. There may be a few courses that will also require limited contact in person (such as the organic chemistry lab), but the vast majority will occur online only."

Plus, this is such a selective vision of "peer institutions"... One thing that's consistent among a wider range of peers is that in-person learning is only being conducted on a course-by-course basis, with priorities given to certain types of courses where virtual delivery cannot sufficiently accomplish course objectives.

Harvard: https://www.fas.harvard.edu/news/harvard...-2021-plan
"For all enrolled students, instruction will continue to be fully remote for the remainder of the academic year."

Stanford: https://healthalerts.stanford.edu/covid-19/
"Classes will be mostly remote for the winter quarter, with limited classes offered in-person."

MIT: https://orgchart.mit.edu/node/5/letters_...g-semester (Note: Spring semester starts February instead of January like Rice)
"Just as in the fall, many of our subjects will be taught exclusively online, with some opportunities for undergraduates living on campus and some graduate students to have in-person instruction."

UChicago: https://news.uchicago.edu/story/uchicago...g-quarters
"January 11 to 15: All College courses will be conducted remotely
January 19: In-person instruction begins for applicable classes"

Yale: https://covid19.yale.edu/community-messa...g-semester
"We will invite sophomores, juniors, and seniors to live on campus or in the New Haven area during the spring semester. We encourage first-year undergraduates to continue their studies with Yale’s faculty remotely."

Yeah-but my impression is that despite Rice making a big deal of the tent/outdoor classrooms, many of the fall semester classes were online only as well..

That's simply not true. The vast majority of classes were hybrid.
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(01-09-2021 11:01 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(01-09-2021 10:54 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 10:29 PM)MartelOwl_08 Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 03:59 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  My younger sister (a freshman at Wash U) is returning to campus on 1/21.

Just some perspective on what “peer institutions” are doing.

First, you're right that students can return on campus at WashU [https://students.wustl.edu/academicbreakhousinginformation/], but this piece of information alone is misleading because in-person learning only applies for select courses.
https://ucollege.wustl.edu/resources-stu...nd-faculty
"Spring 2021 Semester
In response to Covid-19, all University College courses will be offered online for the fall semester [sic]. There may be a few courses that will also require limited contact in person (such as the organic chemistry lab), but the vast majority will occur online only."

Plus, this is such a selective vision of "peer institutions"... One thing that's consistent among a wider range of peers is that in-person learning is only being conducted on a course-by-course basis, with priorities given to certain types of courses where virtual delivery cannot sufficiently accomplish course objectives.

Harvard: https://www.fas.harvard.edu/news/harvard...-2021-plan
"For all enrolled students, instruction will continue to be fully remote for the remainder of the academic year."

Stanford: https://healthalerts.stanford.edu/covid-19/
"Classes will be mostly remote for the winter quarter, with limited classes offered in-person."

MIT: https://orgchart.mit.edu/node/5/letters_...g-semester (Note: Spring semester starts February instead of January like Rice)
"Just as in the fall, many of our subjects will be taught exclusively online, with some opportunities for undergraduates living on campus and some graduate students to have in-person instruction."

UChicago: https://news.uchicago.edu/story/uchicago...g-quarters
"January 11 to 15: All College courses will be conducted remotely
January 19: In-person instruction begins for applicable classes"

Yale: https://covid19.yale.edu/community-messa...g-semester
"We will invite sophomores, juniors, and seniors to live on campus or in the New Haven area during the spring semester. We encourage first-year undergraduates to continue their studies with Yale’s faculty remotely."

Yeah-but my impression is that despite Rice making a big deal of the tent/outdoor classrooms, many of the fall semester classes were online only as well..

That's simply not true. The vast majority of classes were hybrid.

Obviously this is a super small sample size so maybe it’s just luck of the draw but I’m friends with four of my former professors on Facebook and of those four, only one held in-person classes. I don’t have an exact % of what was hybrid vs. full-remote university-wide. That’s why I said “many.”
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My daughter starts back today... with the same protocols as before... Routine testing, random well-checks. Monitoring of comings and goings from campus. Classes can be done in person or from the dorm as necessary. On campus housing for anyone needing to quarantine (positive test or suspected exposure)

What I don't understand is that we demonstrated that we can greatly outperform almost any decent sized city in the US, often by a WIDE margin in the fall, so why are students now 'safer' remaining in those more risky situations? They aren't. The value of the education is greatly diminished, as is the value of 'student life' and 'diversity'.

Whom are we protecting by remaining closed? Are we saying that students on campus at Rice are LESS safe than anywhere else to the point where we're willing to further diminish most of that which makes us a top 20 University? That's what these actions imply.... and that has absolutely nothing to do with sports.
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(01-11-2021 11:54 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  My daughter starts back today... with the same protocols as before... Routine testing, random well-checks. Monitoring of comings and goings from campus. Classes can be done in person or from the dorm as necessary. On campus housing for anyone needing to quarantine (positive test or suspected exposure)

What I don't understand is that we demonstrated that we can greatly outperform almost any decent sized city in the US, often by a WIDE margin in the fall, so why are students now 'safer' remaining in those more risky situations? They aren't. The value of the education is greatly diminished, as is the value of 'student life' and 'diversity'.

Whom are we protecting by remaining closed? Are we saying that students on campus at Rice are LESS safe than anywhere else to the point where we're willing to further diminish most of that which makes us a top 20 University? That's what these actions imply.... and that has absolutely nothing to do with sports.

Bones, the vast majority of Universities are doing exactly what Rice is doing. UT announced the same today. Many of the other Top 20 universities are remaining closed well past February 15th. It would be one thing if the students were currently on campus, but they are not. They've been scattered all over the country and the world since just before Thanksgiving-- 6+ weeks ago. Sure, you can say that's what testing is for, but testing students upon arrival doesn't mean they don't have the virus incubating in their systems.

No one is question whether the value of one's education is diminished when done remotely, which is why the university hopes to get students back on campus after the first month of the Spring semester when, hopefully, the current holiday-induced surge diminishes.
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(01-11-2021 04:25 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(01-11-2021 11:54 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  My daughter starts back today... with the same protocols as before... Routine testing, random well-checks. Monitoring of comings and goings from campus. Classes can be done in person or from the dorm as necessary. On campus housing for anyone needing to quarantine (positive test or suspected exposure)

What I don't understand is that we demonstrated that we can greatly outperform almost any decent sized city in the US, often by a WIDE margin in the fall, so why are students now 'safer' remaining in those more risky situations? They aren't. The value of the education is greatly diminished, as is the value of 'student life' and 'diversity'.

Whom are we protecting by remaining closed? Are we saying that students on campus at Rice are LESS safe than anywhere else to the point where we're willing to further diminish most of that which makes us a top 20 University? That's what these actions imply.... and that has absolutely nothing to do with sports.

Bones, the vast majority of Universities are doing exactly what Rice is doing. UT announced the same today. Many of the other Top 20 universities are remaining closed well past February 15th. It would be one thing if the students were currently on campus, but they are not. They've been scattered all over the country and the world since just before Thanksgiving-- 6+ weeks ago. Sure, you can say that's what testing is for, but testing students upon arrival doesn't mean they don't have the virus incubating in their systems.

No one is question whether the value of one's education is diminished when done remotely, which is why the university hopes to get students back on campus after the first month of the Spring semester when, hopefully, the current holiday-induced surge diminishes.

Just like the clown who governs NY I’m sure Leebron will change his tune shortly since Biden’s inauguration is looming.
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(01-09-2021 11:43 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(01-09-2021 11:01 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(01-09-2021 10:54 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 10:29 PM)MartelOwl_08 Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 03:59 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  My younger sister (a freshman at Wash U) is returning to campus on 1/21.

Just some perspective on what “peer institutions” are doing.

First, you're right that students can return on campus at WashU [https://students.wustl.edu/academicbreakhousinginformation/], but this piece of information alone is misleading because in-person learning only applies for select courses.
https://ucollege.wustl.edu/resources-stu...nd-faculty
"Spring 2021 Semester
In response to Covid-19, all University College courses will be offered online for the fall semester [sic]. There may be a few courses that will also require limited contact in person (such as the organic chemistry lab), but the vast majority will occur online only."

Plus, this is such a selective vision of "peer institutions"... One thing that's consistent among a wider range of peers is that in-person learning is only being conducted on a course-by-course basis, with priorities given to certain types of courses where virtual delivery cannot sufficiently accomplish course objectives.

Harvard: https://www.fas.harvard.edu/news/harvard...-2021-plan
"For all enrolled students, instruction will continue to be fully remote for the remainder of the academic year."

Stanford: https://healthalerts.stanford.edu/covid-19/
"Classes will be mostly remote for the winter quarter, with limited classes offered in-person."

MIT: https://orgchart.mit.edu/node/5/letters_...g-semester (Note: Spring semester starts February instead of January like Rice)
"Just as in the fall, many of our subjects will be taught exclusively online, with some opportunities for undergraduates living on campus and some graduate students to have in-person instruction."

UChicago: https://news.uchicago.edu/story/uchicago...g-quarters
"January 11 to 15: All College courses will be conducted remotely
January 19: In-person instruction begins for applicable classes"

Yale: https://covid19.yale.edu/community-messa...g-semester
"We will invite sophomores, juniors, and seniors to live on campus or in the New Haven area during the spring semester. We encourage first-year undergraduates to continue their studies with Yale’s faculty remotely."

Yeah-but my impression is that despite Rice making a big deal of the tent/outdoor classrooms, many of the fall semester classes were online only as well..

That's simply not true. The vast majority of classes were hybrid.

Obviously this is a super small sample size so maybe it’s just luck of the draw but I’m friends with four of my former professors on Facebook and of those four, only one held in-person classes. I don’t have an exact % of what was hybrid vs. full-remote university-wide. That’s why I said “many.”

I don't know what the experience is for undergrads right now, but in the MBA program, a little more than half of the second-year students make the effort to be in person if the professor is in person. If the professor has chosen to be remote, the class still has a room (or two), but students are almost universally remote because it's more comfortable for essentially the same experience.
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(01-11-2021 05:14 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(01-11-2021 04:25 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(01-11-2021 11:54 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  My daughter starts back today... with the same protocols as before... Routine testing, random well-checks. Monitoring of comings and goings from campus. Classes can be done in person or from the dorm as necessary. On campus housing for anyone needing to quarantine (positive test or suspected exposure)

What I don't understand is that we demonstrated that we can greatly outperform almost any decent sized city in the US, often by a WIDE margin in the fall, so why are students now 'safer' remaining in those more risky situations? They aren't. The value of the education is greatly diminished, as is the value of 'student life' and 'diversity'.

Whom are we protecting by remaining closed? Are we saying that students on campus at Rice are LESS safe than anywhere else to the point where we're willing to further diminish most of that which makes us a top 20 University? That's what these actions imply.... and that has absolutely nothing to do with sports.

Bones, the vast majority of Universities are doing exactly what Rice is doing. UT announced the same today. Many of the other Top 20 universities are remaining closed well past February 15th. It would be one thing if the students were currently on campus, but they are not. They've been scattered all over the country and the world since just before Thanksgiving-- 6+ weeks ago. Sure, you can say that's what testing is for, but testing students upon arrival doesn't mean they don't have the virus incubating in their systems.

No one is question whether the value of one's education is diminished when done remotely, which is why the university hopes to get students back on campus after the first month of the Spring semester when, hopefully, the current holiday-induced surge diminishes.

Just like the clown who governs NY I’m sure Leebron will change his tune shortly since Biden’s inauguration is looming.

I'm no Cuomo fan (I won't vote for him in 2022) but in fairness to him, NY is actually fairly "open" compared to some other states right now. For example, limited fans at Bills games are allowed again, ski areas are able to have 75% of peak day capacity (i.e. pretty much normal except Xmas and MLK Day weekend), etc...

The major thing that is closed is indoor dining in the city which is annoying but the goons are no longer out doing enforcement so lots of places are letting you inside.

But NY is far more open than CA and IL to name two other states with similar political persuasions, it's just Cuomo's brash personality that gets him the news more...
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(01-11-2021 07:50 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(01-11-2021 05:14 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(01-11-2021 04:25 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(01-11-2021 11:54 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  My daughter starts back today... with the same protocols as before... Routine testing, random well-checks. Monitoring of comings and goings from campus. Classes can be done in person or from the dorm as necessary. On campus housing for anyone needing to quarantine (positive test or suspected exposure)

What I don't understand is that we demonstrated that we can greatly outperform almost any decent sized city in the US, often by a WIDE margin in the fall, so why are students now 'safer' remaining in those more risky situations? They aren't. The value of the education is greatly diminished, as is the value of 'student life' and 'diversity'.

Whom are we protecting by remaining closed? Are we saying that students on campus at Rice are LESS safe than anywhere else to the point where we're willing to further diminish most of that which makes us a top 20 University? That's what these actions imply.... and that has absolutely nothing to do with sports.

Bones, the vast majority of Universities are doing exactly what Rice is doing. UT announced the same today. Many of the other Top 20 universities are remaining closed well past February 15th. It would be one thing if the students were currently on campus, but they are not. They've been scattered all over the country and the world since just before Thanksgiving-- 6+ weeks ago. Sure, you can say that's what testing is for, but testing students upon arrival doesn't mean they don't have the virus incubating in their systems.

No one is question whether the value of one's education is diminished when done remotely, which is why the university hopes to get students back on campus after the first month of the Spring semester when, hopefully, the current holiday-induced surge diminishes.

Just like the clown who governs NY I’m sure Leebron will change his tune shortly since Biden’s inauguration is looming.

I'm no Cuomo fan (I won't vote for him in 2022) but in fairness to him, NY is actually fairly "open" compared to some other states right now. For example, limited fans at Bills games are allowed again, ski areas are able to have 75% of peak day capacity (i.e. pretty much normal except Xmas and MLK Day weekend), etc...

The major thing that is closed is indoor dining in the city which is annoying but the goons are no longer out doing enforcement so lots of places are letting you inside.

But NY is far more open than CA and IL to name two other states with similar political persuasions, it's just Cuomo's brash personality that gets him the news more...

Was referring to his change of heart today
https://twitter.com/nygovcuomo/status/13...91296?s=21
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(01-11-2021 04:25 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(01-11-2021 11:54 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  My daughter starts back today... with the same protocols as before... Routine testing, random well-checks. Monitoring of comings and goings from campus. Classes can be done in person or from the dorm as necessary. On campus housing for anyone needing to quarantine (positive test or suspected exposure)

What I don't understand is that we demonstrated that we can greatly outperform almost any decent sized city in the US, often by a WIDE margin in the fall, so why are students now 'safer' remaining in those more risky situations? They aren't. The value of the education is greatly diminished, as is the value of 'student life' and 'diversity'.

Whom are we protecting by remaining closed? Are we saying that students on campus at Rice are LESS safe than anywhere else to the point where we're willing to further diminish most of that which makes us a top 20 University? That's what these actions imply.... and that has absolutely nothing to do with sports.

Bones, the vast majority of Universities are doing exactly what Rice is doing. UT announced the same today. Many of the other Top 20 universities are remaining closed well past February 15th. It would be one thing if the students were currently on campus, but they are not. They've been scattered all over the country and the world since just before Thanksgiving-- 6+ weeks ago. Sure, you can say that's what testing is for, but testing students upon arrival doesn't mean they don't have the virus incubating in their systems.

No one is question whether the value of one's education is diminished when done remotely, which is why the university hopes to get students back on campus after the first month of the Spring semester when, hopefully, the current holiday-induced surge diminishes.

The vast majority of Universities (particularly larger ones) had infection rates that were higher than their local populations.... and with respect, 'following the crowd' is not what we should be doing. We made a point of noting how much better we were doing than 'the crowd' of Houston just a few months ago.

What you describe also isn't what my daughter had to do. They had to have a test 'x' days before they arrived and then were tested once they arrived and quarantined if they failed or had any symptoms... reducing/eliminating the risk you speak of. My son's girlfriend was also required to quarantine before she arrived... Hard to enforce, but a good practice anyway. Why didn't we do that? Wouldn't that be a good use of the Rice Honor Code?

With so many kids remaining at 'home' as you describe for the next month, there is little reason to suspect that the infection rate for returning Rice students will be meaningfully lower 2/15 than 1/15. They are now in areas where the infection rate is VASTLY higher than it would be at Rice, and much more likely to become infected and then spread it to each other. The disease doesn't have a calendar, it simply moves from place to place as the opportunity presents itself... and we are subjecting many of our students to a vastly higher risk of infection by leaving them subject to the rules and customs of their environment and NOT allow them to return to the relative safety of the Rice campus.

Bring the kids on campus and make them take classes from their rooms for the first week or two... if you feel safer at home, stay there... the possible solutions are almost endless. Telling kids to deal with whatever they have at home and check back in a month, where we may push if back again is great for Rice... it's just not great for the students.

Bottom line, whether we are looking out for 50 potential cases coming on campus in January or 20 in February, the responses should be the same... and if you address them correctly, it doesn't make any difference whether it is 50 or 20, other than no OTHER kids got infected during the interim. If there are 50 kids with no symptoms returning to school, aren't they (and everyone around them) MUCH better off having them go to a place where they will be tested and confined as necessary as opposed to one where they potentially won't be tested or confined at all?


ETA: It's not a HORRIBLE decision. It's safe for the University and is not without ANY support.... I just think we shouldn't shy away from an opportunity to protect our students... ESPECIALLY under the 'guise' of doing so.
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New post rather than another edit....

If we have (in my example) 50 infected kids who don't know it... and they JUST got infected such that it isn't showing up on their 'pre-return test' or their 'just returned' test.... aren't we ALL (our students plus society) better off having them in a controlled space where they can be assisted to 'shelter in place' for a week or more and have that infection get caught rather than having them remain at home, oblivious to their infection and taking no precautions whatsoever?
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(01-13-2021 04:06 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  New post rather than another edit....

If we have (in my example) 50 infected kids who don't know it... and they JUST got infected such that it isn't showing up on their 'pre-return test' or their 'just returned' test.... aren't we ALL (our students plus society) better off having them in a controlled space where they can be assisted to 'shelter in place' for a week or more and have that infection get caught rather than having them remain at home, oblivious to their infection and taking no precautions whatsoever?

This is Leebron covering his ass plain and simple. Tuition money is due at the latest right before this cutoff. I’d be shocked if Rice students return to in person classes this year.
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