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RE: MBB Games 8 and 9 vs Delaware, Jan 9th and 10th
(01-10-2021 05:43 PM)Rocco Wrote:  
(01-10-2021 05:26 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  What do people think Martin should have done here? I'm genuinely asking.

Maybe we could've forced Delaware to take a forfeit loss, but that seems like a pretty hollow victory to me, and I don't even know if the league would allow this.

That said, add this to the list of reasons the CAA should not be long for the world

Find any reporter that will listen and tell them the CAA decided a team should be allowed to dictate its schedule over our objections.

Bottom Line:

The Delaware team was in Williamsburg at the site of the game with enough healthy athletes to play. There were no issues with COVID or weather that would require returning to Newark early. Why isn't this simple? Play or forfeit. I'd give them slack for travel problems, Covid problems, etc. Being at the game site with enough players to play and no problems in getting home, not so much.
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RE: MBB Games 8 and 9 vs Delaware, Jan 9th and 10th
(01-10-2021 06:00 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  
(01-10-2021 05:43 PM)Rocco Wrote:  
(01-10-2021 05:26 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  What do people think Martin should have done here? I'm genuinely asking.

Maybe we could've forced Delaware to take a forfeit loss, but that seems like a pretty hollow victory to me, and I don't even know if the league would allow this.

That said, add this to the list of reasons the CAA should not be long for the world

Find any reporter that will listen and tell them the CAA decided a team should be allowed to dictate its schedule over our objections.

Bottom Line:

The Delaware team was in Williamsburg at the site of the game with enough healthy athletes to play. There were no issues with COVID or weather that would require returning to Newark early. Why isn't this simple? Play or forfeit. I'd give them slack for travel problems, Covid problems, etc. Being at the game site with enough players to play and no problems in getting home, not so much.
Tell him if playing Sunday is problem,take it up with CAA commissioner, and if there is need for further conversation, have him contact me,not you.I almost guarantee that it would have been gamr on.
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RE: MBB Games 8 and 9 vs Delaware, Jan 9th and 10th
(01-10-2021 06:00 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  
(01-10-2021 05:43 PM)Rocco Wrote:  
(01-10-2021 05:26 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  What do people think Martin should have done here? I'm genuinely asking.

Maybe we could've forced Delaware to take a forfeit loss, but that seems like a pretty hollow victory to me, and I don't even know if the league would allow this.

That said, add this to the list of reasons the CAA should not be long for the world

Find any reporter that will listen and tell them the CAA decided a team should be allowed to dictate its schedule over our objections.

Bottom Line:

The Delaware team was in Williamsburg at the site of the game with enough healthy athletes to play. There were no issues with COVID or weather that would require returning to Newark early. Why isn't this simple? Play or forfeit. I'd give them slack for travel problems, Covid problems, etc. Being at the game site with enough players to play and no problems in getting home, not so much.

I agree with everything but the bolded part 100%. Incredibly lame move on Delaware's part, and an absolute smack in the face to the healthy athletes and the walk ons, who in Delaware's mind I guess don't count as players. I just don't really care enough about getting credited for a forfeit win to have made that a hill I'd die on within the CAA.
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TDenver I don’t think anyone is terribly excited about getting a technical win by forfeit, the point is that Delaware cannot be permitted to simply reschedule a game because they don’t feel like playing today. They should have to take a loss. Every sports league in human history, from tee ball to the NFL, until today apparently, has used those rules. Intramural athletics at WM was stricter about this than the CAA commissioner.

You don’t want to play, fine. Take the forfeit. How is this even a question?
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MBB Games 8 and 9 vs Delaware, Jan 9th and 10th
I'm keeping an eye on UD's mens basketball roster for the remainder of the season.

I have a very hard time believing they had enough players ready to go Saturday afternoon but did not by Saturday night.

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RE: MBB Games 8 and 9 vs Delaware, Jan 9th and 10th
(01-10-2021 09:04 PM)A Quest Called Tribe Wrote:  TDenver I don’t think anyone is terribly excited about getting a technical win by forfeit, the point is that Delaware cannot be permitted to simply reschedule a game because they don’t feel like playing today. They should have to take a loss. Every sports league in human history, from tee ball to the NFL, until today apparently, has used those rules. Intramural athletics at WM was stricter about this than the CAA commissioner.

You don’t want to play, fine. Take the forfeit. How is this even a question?

That's a reasonable enough stance, I guess I just feel like it comes down to more on what the conversations between Delaware/the CAA/WM were, if that were even an option. I thought the outrage at Martin/calls to fire him for allowing this game to be postponed were a little much, but it is frustrating. If Lowe gets hurt before our games next weekend, we won't/shouldn't postpone the game

I'll stop debating this topic though, doesn't honestly matter enough in the long run.
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RE: MBB Games 8 and 9 vs Delaware, Jan 9th and 10th
(01-10-2021 09:15 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  
(01-10-2021 09:04 PM)A Quest Called Tribe Wrote:  TDenver I don’t think anyone is terribly excited about getting a technical win by forfeit, the point is that Delaware cannot be permitted to simply reschedule a game because they don’t feel like playing today. They should have to take a loss. Every sports league in human history, from tee ball to the NFL, until today apparently, has used those rules. Intramural athletics at WM was stricter about this than the CAA commissioner.

You don’t want to play, fine. Take the forfeit. How is this even a question?

That's a reasonable enough stance, I guess I just feel like it comes down to more on what the conversations between Delaware/the CAA/WM were, if that were even an option. I thought the outrage at Martin/calls to fire him for allowing this game to be postponed were a little much, but it is frustrating. If Lowe gets hurt before our games next weekend, we won't/shouldn't postpone the game

I'll stop debating this topic though, doesn't honestly matter enough in the long run.
I didn't read every post, but I hope people aren't really calling for Martin to lose his position because UD quit on the series.

He's Acting AD, no reasonable person believes he honestly had a choice, and he has enough to worry about so standing up to Joey D definitely wasn't worth the effort. Huge would've been in a situation to fire back, and I think she would have done just that.

At the end of the day, this pathetic situation is all on UD so blaming anyone in Williamsburg is just silly.



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I think the CAA may have set a precedent that may come back to bite them. I do think that W&M now should have a "Get Out of Jail Free" card that they should use at the proper time.
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WHY can't we admit W & M made a huge mistake ? If Martin says no ,Joe says no,and we play ball.Martin said yes,so Joe said yes, and we all stay home.
This was Joes call to make 1st ,not Martin.SOMEBODY should stand up a say it was and then we could move on.
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RE: MBB Games 8 and 9 vs Delaware, Jan 9th and 10th
Will be interesting to see how UD/ Hofstra is handled next weekend, if the same scenario.

With all of the Covid postponements, the reality is that this season is just practice fodder. CAA seeding will be based on won/loss percentage, despite what will probably be big discrepancies in total games played before this is over with. Will be hard to put any real validity to what transpires with conference standings across the country and any NCAA tournament.
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(01-10-2021 11:19 PM)LION KING Wrote:  WHY can't we admit W & M made a huge mistake ?

Because that assumes there was a decision to be made by W&M. Given the hypothetical that W&M was genuinely able to choose one way or the other, yeah it's a mistake. Nobody is arguing anything else.
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(01-10-2021 11:06 PM)billymac Wrote:  I think the CAA may have set a precedent that may come back to bite them. I do think that W&M now should have a "Get Out of Jail Free" card that they should use at the proper time.

Why should I have confidence that the CAA will grant W&M a favor instead of pretending to have a new phone and not recognizing who is calling?
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(01-11-2021 01:14 AM)Rocco Wrote:  
(01-10-2021 11:06 PM)billymac Wrote:  I think the CAA may have set a precedent that may come back to bite them. I do think that W&M now should have a "Get Out of Jail Free" card that they should use at the proper time.

Why should I have confidence that the CAA will grant W&M a favor instead of pretending to have a new phone and not recognizing who is calling?

Why does it matter whether a person on a message board has confidence in a hypothetical that we only have surface-level information about?

I mean, I get being upset that it happened, but it's already over and we don't have anything really to go on other than it happened. I don't understand getting this worked up about it in a season that's only barely a season.
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Wow, this is incredibly absurd. I don't really care a ton either way on our end between the two options available, and honestly if there's a chance to make up the game later, that's probably a better outcome for our program than just getting a forfeit which does nothing for us (I also am guessing as well that the league didn't really give us any choice).

But I don't know how anyone can take Delaware seriously after this and I have no idea how they even make this request with a straight face. Absolutely embarrassing from them and the conference.
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(01-11-2021 09:43 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  Wow, this is incredibly absurd. I don't really care a ton either way on our end between the two options available, and honestly if there's a chance to make up the game later, that's probably a better outcome for our program than just getting a forfeit which does nothing for us (I also am guessing as well that the league didn't really give us any choice).

But I don't know how anyone can take Delaware seriously after this and I have no idea how they even make this request with a straight face. Absolutely embarrassing from them and the conference.

We do this ,because we can't go to games and need an oulet for our frustration.
They would not have forfeited, they had players and would have played,W & M gave them a way out,no one else will .
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RE: MBB Games 8 and 9 vs Delaware, Jan 9th and 10th
The idea behind play or forfeit is not to gain a win by forfeit, but to force Delaware to play, even if under protest.

If I was Delaware and was presented with this choice, I'd play because as slim as it might be, there is always a chance to win vs forfeit on one level.

On another level it sends the right message to the players down the bench that their sacrifices to practice without getting game time are valuable to the program. They also may have someone emerge that helps them going forward that has been overlooked who may be a better game day player than a practice player.

I seem to vaguely remember a historical situation in football where we missed a regular season game because of a (cough) legitimate reason, were given assurances that it wouldn't be held against us, but lost out of a playoff spot because we had one fewer wins than another CAA team even though we had the same number of losses. Can anyone confirm my fault prone memory?
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(01-11-2021 01:39 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  The idea behind play or forfeit is not to gain a win by forfeit, but to force Delaware to play, even if under protest.

If I was Delaware and was presented with this choice, I'd play because as slim as it might be, there is always a chance to win vs forfeit on one level.

On another level it sends the right message to the players down the bench that their sacrifices to practice without getting game time are valuable to the program. They also may have someone emerge that helps them going forward that has been overlooked who may be a better game day player than a practice player.

I seem to vaguely remember a historical situation in football where we missed a regular season game because of a (cough) legitimate reason, were given assurances that it wouldn't be held against us, but lost out of a playoff spot because we had one fewer wins than another CAA team even though we had the same number of losses. Can anyone confirm my fault prone memory?

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(01-11-2021 03:07 PM)heferbovine Wrote:  
(01-11-2021 01:39 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  The idea behind play or forfeit is not to gain a win by forfeit, but to force Delaware to play, even if under protest.

If I was Delaware and was presented with this choice, I'd play because as slim as it might be, there is always a chance to win vs forfeit on one level.

On another level it sends the right message to the players down the bench that their sacrifices to practice without getting game time are valuable to the program. They also may have someone emerge that helps them going forward that has been overlooked who may be a better game day player than a practice player.

I seem to vaguely remember a historical situation in football where we missed a regular season game because of a (cough) legitimate reason, were given assurances that it wouldn't be held against us, but lost out of a playoff spot because we had one fewer wins than another CAA team even though we had the same number of losses. Can anyone confirm my fault prone memory?

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But we were unjustifiably kept out of the playoffs.

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CAA just announced that this weekend's games between Delaware and Hofstra will be played on Friday and Sunday instead, of course, on Saturday and Sunday like all other schools have to play. This is for the health, safety, and well being of the Delaware players who, presumably, are not fit enough to play more than 35 minutes two days in a row (like all other schools have to do; Hofstra, for instance, always plays a limited roster, it seems). Under this logic, why didn't Delaware play W&M last Monday (after resting on Sunday)?

Since I apparently missed the coup, what I want to know is when did Delaware take over the CAA? How does JMU feel about being dethroned?
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(01-15-2021 10:33 AM)Zorch Wrote:  CAA just announced that this weekend's games between Delaware and Hofstra will be played on Friday and Sunday instead, of course, on Saturday and Sunday like all other schools have to play. This is for the health, safety, and well being of the Delaware players who, presumably, are not fit enough to play more than 35 minutes two days in a row (like all other schools have to do; Hofstra, for instance, always plays a limited roster, it seems). Under this logic, why didn't Delaware play W&M last Monday (after resting on Sunday)?

Since I apparently missed the coup, what I want to know is when did Delaware take over the CAA? How does JMU feel about being dethroned?

That will, also, be two weeks in a row that Hofstra gets a day in between games, though, it didn't help them last week.

Again, with all of the schedule anomalies and adjustments, it appears NCAA basketball is simply being looked at as a "practice" season this year.
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