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RE: Democracy under attack
(01-06-2021 08:38 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 02:39 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  ...in Washington DC because of Donald Trump.

Literally - physical attack.

You have a very poor and convenient perspective of history this past year if you believe the attack on democracy has come from anyone on the right. But of course, no surprise.

Who then do you believe it has come from? We had an election, the results were not what the current president wanted, he went to court (several times) and lost (several times) because it turns out yelling "stop the steal" and showing photos from "whistle-blowers" that you found on Twitter isn't actually evidence.

Despite that he won't shut up about the election being rigged and how he won and we're all supposed to be shocked that a bunch of his braindead followers stormed the capital building and tried to stop the election certification?
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RE: Democracy under attack
(01-06-2021 08:50 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 08:46 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 08:38 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 02:39 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  ...in Washington DC because of Donald Trump.

Literally - physical attack.

You have a very poor and convenient perspective of history this past year if you believe the attack on democracy has come from anyone on the right. But of course, no surprise.

Because the Democrats are saying the entire election was fraudulent (months before the election even started) despite having no evidence that even a Republican-appointed judge would consider worthy of anything?

Are you referring to the 2016 election? Sounds like it.

Clinton conceded the night of the election. And she did not claim for months ahead of the election, and for 2 months afterward, that the whole thing was a fraud, and come up with 30+ lawsuits with no credible evidence that judges kept having to look at and discard because Trump is incapable of accepting that he lost. Oh, and she did not incite violence among her supporters.

Minor difference.

Also, are the hundreds of Republican politicians still going to dispute Biden's win, leading to further violence? Do they really want Trump in power for 4 more years? Do they have any more spine than a jellyfish?
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RE: Democracy under attack
(01-06-2021 05:30 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 05:25 PM)bronco74 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 03:47 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 03:10 PM)bronco74 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 03:05 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Trump protestors storm the US Capitol.

And now there is an armed standoff in the Capitol.

Worst day in US history.

All thanks to the sociopathic-psychopathic-egomaniac Trump and his sycophants.

Just a “peaceful protest”. If you think this the worst day in US history then your knowledge of US history is not too good.

A "peaceful protest" that storms the US Capitol with gas and guns, and forces Senators and US Reps to go into hiding?!

Are you sane?

Did you see the photo of the "protestor" sitting in the chair of the Speaker of the (empty) House?!
Peaceful protest was in quotes because I was parroting the mainstream media. All summer I heard “peaceful protest” while cities burned. And no I do not condone violence and destruction of property. Ever since Trump was elected I kept hearing “not legitimate”. Special prosecutor found no Russian collusion.
During the summer, do you remember any protesters taking over the capital building of our country?
So if you are destroying property and throwing fireworks at police it is OK? However, taking over the Capital is bad. I think both are bad. Several businesses were destroyed in the “peaceful protests”.
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RE: Democracy under attack
(01-06-2021 08:38 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 02:39 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  ...in Washington DC because of Donald Trump.

Literally - physical attack.

You have a very poor and convenient perspective of history this past year if you believe the attack on democracy has come from anyone on the right. But of course, no surprise.

Everybody has to take a step back. You can’t have a civil democracy when Pelosi rips up a copy of the state of the union on national tv. The left cant think some protests are acceptable and some aren’t. For the last 6 months the tactic used today was copied (but this time it’s by the side they disapprove of). For the last 6 months it was ok to burn a Wendy’s down, loot a macy’s, or Incinerate a precinct house in Minneapolis.
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RE: Democracy under attack
(01-06-2021 09:15 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 08:38 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 02:39 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  ...in Washington DC because of Donald Trump.

Literally - physical attack.

You have a very poor and convenient perspective of history this past year if you believe the attack on democracy has come from anyone on the right. But of course, no surprise.

Everybody has to take a step back. You can’t have a civil democracy when Pelosi rips up a copy of the state of the union on national tv. The left cant think some protests are acceptable and some aren’t. For the last 6 months the tactic used today was copied (but this time it’s by the side they disapprove of). For the last 6 months it was ok to burn a Wendy’s down, loot a macy’s, or Incinerate a precinct house in Minneapolis.
Still trying to put today back on the left.

There was a common flag today. And I’m not talking about Old Glory. See if you can figure it out.
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RE: Democracy under attack
(01-06-2021 09:15 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 08:38 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 02:39 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  ...in Washington DC because of Donald Trump.

Literally - physical attack.

You have a very poor and convenient perspective of history this past year if you believe the attack on democracy has come from anyone on the right. But of course, no surprise.

Everybody has to take a step back. You can’t have a civil democracy when Pelosi rips up a copy of the state of the union on national tv. The left cant think some protests are acceptable and some aren’t. For the last 6 months the tactic used today was copied (but this time it’s by the side they disapprove of). For the last 6 months it was ok to burn a Wendy’s down, loot a macy’s, or Incinerate a precinct house in Minneapolis.

But who was actually doing the burning? Who was arrested for it? Some of them were not BLM, not even democrats. Righties were at those protests too.

Pelosi did not threaten our democracy. Pelosi did not incite violence and insurrection. Pelosi didn't spend 10 months claiming fraud on an election that hadn't even happened yet. It was obvious that Trump was setting himself up to stay in power even if he lost the election.
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RE: Democracy under attack
(01-06-2021 09:23 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:15 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 08:38 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 02:39 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  ...in Washington DC because of Donald Trump.

Literally - physical attack.

You have a very poor and convenient perspective of history this past year if you believe the attack on democracy has come from anyone on the right. But of course, no surprise.

Everybody has to take a step back. You can’t have a civil democracy when Pelosi rips up a copy of the state of the union on national tv. The left cant think some protests are acceptable and some aren’t. For the last 6 months the tactic used today was copied (but this time it’s by the side they disapprove of). For the last 6 months it was ok to burn a Wendy’s down, loot a macy’s, or Incinerate a precinct house in Minneapolis.

But who was actually doing the burning? Who was arrested for it? Some of them were not BLM, not even democrats. Righties were at those protests too.

Pelosi did not threaten our democracy. Pelosi did not incite violence and insurrection. Pelosi didn't spend 10 months claiming fraud on an election that hadn't even happened yet. It was obvious that Trump was setting himself up to stay in power even if he lost the election.

As soon as trump was elected in 2016 it was said by the left “ we’re gonna impeach the sob”. ON DAY ONE. They then went down the whole rabbit hole for 4 years of trying possible things to base that on.
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RE: Democracy under attack
(01-06-2021 09:36 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:23 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:15 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 08:38 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 02:39 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  ...in Washington DC because of Donald Trump.

Literally - physical attack.

You have a very poor and convenient perspective of history this past year if you believe the attack on democracy has come from anyone on the right. But of course, no surprise.

Everybody has to take a step back. You can’t have a civil democracy when Pelosi rips up a copy of the state of the union on national tv. The left cant think some protests are acceptable and some aren’t. For the last 6 months the tactic used today was copied (but this time it’s by the side they disapprove of). For the last 6 months it was ok to burn a Wendy’s down, loot a macy’s, or Incinerate a precinct house in Minneapolis.

But who was actually doing the burning? Who was arrested for it? Some of them were not BLM, not even democrats. Righties were at those protests too.

Pelosi did not threaten our democracy. Pelosi did not incite violence and insurrection. Pelosi didn't spend 10 months claiming fraud on an election that hadn't even happened yet. It was obvious that Trump was setting himself up to stay in power even if he lost the election.

As soon as trump was elected in 2016 it was said by the left “ we’re gonna impeach the sob”. ON DAY ONE. They then went down the whole rabbit hole for 4 years of trying possible things to base that on.

There was plenty of material to base that on. Romney certainly seemed to think so too.
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RE: Democracy under attack
(01-06-2021 07:37 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 07:30 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
There was a fair election. Case closed.

Biden can then help prove that and then help heal the divided country. He doesn’t have to in normal times, but this is a time of need. There very well could be a type of civil war in the future .
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Every state, all 50, have certified their election results.

And even if Biden did what you are saying in good faith, Trump would still claim there was voter fraud. He said months before the election that the only way he could lose is if there were was voter fraud. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

BTW...it is very hard to prove something didn’t occur. That is why the burden of proof in the courts is to prove something DID occur. Rudy & his team of incompetent lawyers have tried roughly 60 times to show evidence of fraud. They failed every time.
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Biden can clearly answer why did the left fight so hard to add in and protect all the new mail in voting loopholes. People have been standing in Line for Starbucks or target, but yet can’t stand in line to vote.
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RE: Democracy under attack
(01-06-2021 09:38 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 07:37 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 07:30 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
There was a fair election. Case closed.

Biden can then help prove that and then help heal the divided country. He doesn’t have to in normal times, but this is a time of need. There very well could be a type of civil war in the future .
Every state, all 50, have certified their election results.

And even if Biden did what you are saying in good faith, Trump would still claim there was voter fraud. He said months before the election that the only way he could lose is if there were was voter fraud. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

BTW...it is very hard to prove something didn’t occur. That is why the burden of proof in the courts is to prove something DID occur. Rudy & his team of incompetent lawyers have tried roughly 60 times to show evidence of fraud. They failed every time.
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Biden can clearly answer why did the left fight so hard to add in and protect all the new mail in voting loopholes. People have been standing in Line for Starbucks or target, but yet can’t stand in line to vote.
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I can clearly answer that for you. We’re dealing with a pandemic & don’t want to risk lives to vote.
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RE: Democracy under attack
(01-06-2021 09:38 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 07:37 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 07:30 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
There was a fair election. Case closed.

Biden can then help prove that and then help heal the divided country. He doesn’t have to in normal times, but this is a time of need. There very well could be a type of civil war in the future .
Every state, all 50, have certified their election results.

And even if Biden did what you are saying in good faith, Trump would still claim there was voter fraud. He said months before the election that the only way he could lose is if there were was voter fraud. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

BTW...it is very hard to prove something didn’t occur. That is why the burden of proof in the courts is to prove something DID occur. Rudy & his team of incompetent lawyers have tried roughly 60 times to show evidence of fraud. They failed every time.
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Biden can clearly answer why did the left fight so hard to add in and protect all the new mail in voting loopholes. People have been standing in Line for Starbucks or target, but yet can’t stand in line to vote.
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Lots of states have been doing mail in voting for years with no problems. What is the issue?
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RE: Democracy under attack
(01-06-2021 09:15 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 08:38 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 02:39 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  ...in Washington DC because of Donald Trump.

Literally - physical attack.

You have a very poor and convenient perspective of history this past year if you believe the attack on democracy has come from anyone on the right. But of course, no surprise.

Everybody has to take a step back. You can’t have a civil democracy when Pelosi rips up a copy of the state of the union on national tv. The left cant think some protests are acceptable and some aren’t. For the last 6 months the tactic used today was copied (but this time it’s by the side they disapprove of). For the last 6 months it was ok to burn a Wendy’s down, loot a macy’s, or Incinerate a precinct house in Minneapolis.

I despise the Portland Antifa rioters and the violent element of BLM (only a small fraction of the movement, btw) as well. Watching those scenes unfold during the summer made me cringe as much as the ones in DC today.

Here's the difference, though: We don't have Democratic officials at the highest levels of government egging the violence on. I never heard Biden or Harris or Pelosi give any "stand back and stand by" dog whistles, tacit approval of civil unrest at rallies, or forewarn a disputed election if results didn't go their way.

And while it's very wrong to ransack an after-hours Wendy's location, it's a far cry from ransacking our federal Capitol building where hundreds of elected officials from across the country are convening and exercising a cornerstone process of democracy.
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Do it. Do it now.

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(01-06-2021 09:47 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Do it. Do it now.


Yes please. Two weeks is a long time for Trump to do further damage.
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(01-06-2021 09:54 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:47 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Do it. Do it now.


Yes please. Two weeks is a long time for Trump to do further damage.
Yeah, the rhetoric will continue to ramp up. Plus, he’s banned from Twitter, so he wouldn’t know how to be a President anyways.

I’m in for President Pence for 2 weeks.
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(01-06-2021 09:40 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:38 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 07:37 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 07:30 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
There was a fair election. Case closed.

Biden can then help prove that and then help heal the divided country. He doesn’t have to in normal times, but this is a time of need. There very well could be a type of civil war in the future .
Every state, all 50, have certified their election results.

And even if Biden did what you are saying in good faith, Trump would still claim there was voter fraud. He said months before the election that the only way he could lose is if there were was voter fraud. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

BTW...it is very hard to prove something didn’t occur. That is why the burden of proof in the courts is to prove something DID occur. Rudy & his team of incompetent lawyers have tried roughly 60 times to show evidence of fraud. They failed every time.



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Biden can clearly answer why did the left fight so hard to add in and protect all the new mail in voting loopholes. People have been standing in Line for Starbucks or target, but yet can’t stand in line to vote.
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Lots of states have been doing mail in voting for years with no problems. What is the issue?
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Just some of the issues are that millions more of mail in ballots were sent to people who didn’t even request them. Hence there being millions of ballots out there to fill out when not needed. Another is accepting invalid ballots. Typical reasons in years past in which mail in ballots are rejected are largely for signature issues, missed deadlines, etc. Lets just use Georgia for example. In 2016, 6.9% Mail in ballots were rejected. In 2020, only 0.6% mail ins were rejected. Yet in 2020 millions more mail in ballots were casted. This is one state, and one example.
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(01-06-2021 10:20 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:40 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:38 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 07:37 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 07:30 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
There was a fair election. Case closed.

Biden can then help prove that and then help heal the divided country. He doesn’t have to in normal times, but this is a time of need. There very well could be a type of civil war in the future .
Every state, all 50, have certified their election results.

And even if Biden did what you are saying in good faith, Trump would still claim there was voter fraud. He said months before the election that the only way he could lose is if there were was voter fraud. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

BTW...it is very hard to prove something didn’t occur. That is why the burden of proof in the courts is to prove something DID occur. Rudy & his team of incompetent lawyers have tried roughly 60 times to show evidence of fraud. They failed every time.



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Biden can clearly answer why did the left fight so hard to add in and protect all the new mail in voting loopholes. People have been standing in Line for Starbucks or target, but yet can’t stand in line to vote.

Lots of states have been doing mail in voting for years with no problems. What is the issue?
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Just some of the issues are that millions more of mail in ballots were sent to people who didn’t even request them. Hence there being millions of ballots out there to fill out when not needed. Another is accepting invalid ballots. Typical reasons in years past in which mail in ballots are rejected are largely for signature issues, missed deadlines, etc. Lets just use Georgia for example. In 2016, 6.9% Mail in ballots were rejected. In 2020, only 0.6% mail ins were rejected. Yet in 2020 millions more mail in ballots were casted. This is one state, and one example.
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Even if ballots were sent to people who didn't request them, that doesn't result in illegal votes. Either they are eligible to vote or they aren't.

Obviously there were way more mail in ballots this year. If you hadn't noticed, there has been a pandemic this year. If you have more ballots, chances are the percentage of bad ballots would be lower.

Democrats have been saying for 4 years that Trump is a monster. Only now are Republicans starting to realize that.
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Did anyone else vote by mail in Michigan? It could not have been easier or legitimate. The people of Michigan voted to be able to do this. Democracy...what a great thing.
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RE: Democracy under attack
(01-06-2021 10:28 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 10:20 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:40 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:38 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 07:37 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  There was a fair election. Case closed.

Biden can then help prove that and then help heal the divided country. He doesn’t have to in normal times, but this is a time of need. There very well could be a type of civil war in the future .
Every state, all 50, have certified their election results.

And even if Biden did what you are saying in good faith, Trump would still claim there was voter fraud. He said months before the election that the only way he could lose is if there were was voter fraud. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

BTW...it is very hard to prove something didn’t occur. That is why the burden of proof in the courts is to prove something DID occur. Rudy & his team of incompetent lawyers have tried roughly 60 times to show evidence of fraud. They failed every time.



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Biden can clearly answer why did the left fight so hard to add in and protect all the new mail in voting loopholes. People have been standing in Line for Starbucks or target, but yet can’t stand in line to vote.

Lots of states have been doing mail in voting for years with no problems. What is the issue?

Just some of the issues are that millions more of mail in ballots were sent to people who didn’t even request them. Hence there being millions of ballots out there to fill out when not needed. Another is accepting invalid ballots. Typical reasons in years past in which mail in ballots are rejected are largely for signature issues, missed deadlines, etc. Lets just use Georgia for example. In 2016, 6.9% Mail in ballots were rejected. In 2020, only 0.6% mail ins were rejected. Yet in 2020 millions more mail in ballots were casted. This is one state, and one example.
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Even if ballots were sent to people who didn't request them, that doesn't result in illegal votes. Either they are eligible to vote or they aren't.

Obviously there were way more mail in ballots this year. If you hadn't noticed, there has been a pandemic this year. If you have more ballots, chances are the percentage of bad ballots would be lower.

Democrats have been saying for 4 years that Trump is a monster. Only now are Republicans starting to realize that.
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Using the historical rate of 6.9% of rejected mail ins in GA, that’s roughly 150,000 mail in Biden votes that would typically be removed due to errors. Your telling me in a pandemic year, when Millions more mail in ballets were casted, you’d have less mail ins rejected. I’ll accept your inefficiencies to understand because your using NIU logic and math.
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(01-06-2021 10:39 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 10:28 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 10:20 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:40 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:38 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  Biden can then help prove that and then help heal the divided country. He doesn’t have to in normal times, but this is a time of need. There very well could be a type of civil war in the future .
Every state, all 50, have certified their election results.

And even if Biden did what you are saying in good faith, Trump would still claim there was voter fraud. He said months before the election that the only way he could lose is if there were was voter fraud. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

BTW...it is very hard to prove something didn’t occur. That is why the burden of proof in the courts is to prove something DID occur. Rudy & his team of incompetent lawyers have tried roughly 60 times to show evidence of fraud. They failed every time.



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Biden can clearly answer why did the left fight so hard to add in and protect all the new mail in voting loopholes. People have been standing in Line for Starbucks or target, but yet can’t stand in line to vote.

Lots of states have been doing mail in voting for years with no problems. What is the issue?

Just some of the issues are that millions more of mail in ballots were sent to people who didn’t even request them. Hence there being millions of ballots out there to fill out when not needed. Another is accepting invalid ballots. Typical reasons in years past in which mail in ballots are rejected are largely for signature issues, missed deadlines, etc. Lets just use Georgia for example. In 2016, 6.9% Mail in ballots were rejected. In 2020, only 0.6% mail ins were rejected. Yet in 2020 millions more mail in ballots were casted. This is one state, and one example.

Even if ballots were sent to people who didn't request them, that doesn't result in illegal votes. Either they are eligible to vote or they aren't.

Obviously there were way more mail in ballots this year. If you hadn't noticed, there has been a pandemic this year. If you have more ballots, chances are the percentage of bad ballots would be lower.

Democrats have been saying for 4 years that Trump is a monster. Only now are Republicans starting to realize that.
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Using the historical rate of 6.9% of rejected mail ins in GA, that’s roughly 150,000 mail in Biden votes that would typically be removed due to errors. Your telling me in a pandemic year, when Millions more mail in ballets were casted, you’d have less mail ins rejected. I’ll accept your inefficiencies to understand because your using NIU logic and math.
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Before, it was 6.9% of how many votes?

Also, the first time people vote by mail there are always more errors. It's laughable that you think NIU is any worse than your school.

Also, why would rejected or not rejected ballots affect Trump's election but not the Senate and house elections?
(This post was last modified: 01-06-2021 10:47 PM by NIU007.)
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