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25th amendment needs to happen.
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(01-06-2021 03:56 PM)StrikeGold1 Wrote:  Are you a moron? This is not a peaceful transition of power.

What, you want me to insult you back?

When Trump appointees leave office in a few weeks, Biden appointees will move in. That’s what I am saying.
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This won't be the end of the violence. You think people that have been primed for a year to not believe the election was fair and repeatedly told by many Republicans that they would have to fight to "save their democracy" are just going to calm down all of a sudden after this?

These are the same kind of people that attacked the state house in Michigan, and those that planned to kidnap and kill the governor.
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(01-06-2021 04:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  This won't be the end of the violence. You think people that have been primed for a year to not believe the election was fair and repeatedly told by many Republicans that they would have to fight to "save their democracy" are just going to calm down all of a sudden after this?

These are the same kind of people that attacked the state house in Michigan, and those that planned to kidnap and kill the governor.

Did not think of it that way and hope you are wrong.

But fear you are right.

As witnessed by today.
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I've seen a lot of big talk from far right nutjobs about starting a civil war. They think the right wing has a monopoly on the ability to wage war, and that centrists and the general population will either support them or stand idly by.

I'm a combat veteran of the United States Army infantry, and if these cultists want to turn this conflict "hot", I'll be there to meet them in the breach.
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Rudy Giuliani told Trump supporters this morning they need to engage in "Trial by combat"

He has is as insane as Trump.
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(01-06-2021 04:14 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  This won't be the end of the violence. You think people that have been primed for a year to not believe the election was fair and repeatedly told by many Republicans that they would have to fight to "save their democracy" are just going to calm down all of a sudden after this?

These are the same kind of people that attacked the state house in Michigan, and those that planned to kidnap and kill the governor.

Did not think of it that way and hope you are wrong.

But fear you are right.

As witnessed by today.

I hope I am wrong as well. But Trump will not help in any way, as he is unable to process or even admit his loss. It will be SO nice to have an adult in the White House again.
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(01-06-2021 04:17 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I've seen a lot of big talk from far right nutjobs about starting a civil war. They think the right wing has a monopoly on the ability to wage war, and that centrists and the general population will either support them or stand idly by.

I'm a combat veteran of the United States Army infantry, and if these cultists want to turn this conflict "hot", I'll be there to meet them in the breach.

Thanks for your service. And I have little doubt people like you would send the mob running with their tails between their legs.
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(01-06-2021 04:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  This won't be the end of the violence. You think people that have been primed for a year to not believe the election was fair and repeatedly told by many Republicans that they would have to fight to "save their democracy" are just going to calm down all of a sudden after this?

These are the same kind of people that attacked the state house in Michigan, and those that planned to kidnap and kill the governor.

There was no attack at the Michigan Capitol. Nobody was attacked. There was actual violence (small instances) when the unions literally occupied the MI Capitol a few years ago, and I was there, but that was not an attack either, and most people were just standing around inside the building.

The people who tried to kidnap Whitmer were not Trump supporters or particularly political, and that was related to the lockdown, not the election.

Tens of thousands of Trump’s most die hard supported are outside and not causing trouble. They are highly likely to not cause trouble in a couple weeks.

Maybe you think this is what you’ve always feared, but it’s not, and don’t call it in through wishful thinking. Focus on making sure the rioters are properly prosecuted.
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(01-06-2021 04:23 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  This won't be the end of the violence. You think people that have been primed for a year to not believe the election was fair and repeatedly told by many Republicans that they would have to fight to "save their democracy" are just going to calm down all of a sudden after this?

These are the same kind of people that attacked the state house in Michigan, and those that planned to kidnap and kill the governor.

There was no attack at the Michigan Capitol. Nobody was attacked. There was actual violence (small instances) when the unions literally occupied the MI Capitol a few years ago, and I was there, but that was not an attack either, and most people were just standing around inside the building.

The people who tried to kidnap Whitmer were not Trump supporters or particularly political, and that was related to the lockdown, not the election.

Tens of thousands of Trump’s most die hard supported are outside and not causing trouble. They are highly likely to not cause trouble in a couple weeks.

Maybe you think this is what you’ve always feared, but it’s not, and don’t call it in through wishful thinking. Focus on making sure the rioters are properly prosecuted.
Make sure the man who incited the riot is impeached & properly prosecuted.
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And lest you think this is organized, any elected official is likely to get targeted by a cosplayer, so there is strong incentive not for escalating violence, and nobody should be rooting for it: https://thehill.com/briefingroom-blogrol...ted-report
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The people who voted for Trump have all enabled this. There were countless warnings and red flags and people just excused, dismissed, and ignored them. Republicans should all reckon with the damage they've done. Hopefully if they're presented with another chance to risk it on an authoritarian with no regard for democracy they'll remember what it led to last time. GOP needs to be crushed into dust and buried deep underground.
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(01-06-2021 04:27 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:23 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  This won't be the end of the violence. You think people that have been primed for a year to not believe the election was fair and repeatedly told by many Republicans that they would have to fight to "save their democracy" are just going to calm down all of a sudden after this?

These are the same kind of people that attacked the state house in Michigan, and those that planned to kidnap and kill the governor.

There was no attack at the Michigan Capitol. Nobody was attacked. There was actual violence (small instances) when the unions literally occupied the MI Capitol a few years ago, and I was there, but that was not an attack either, and most people were just standing around inside the building.

The people who tried to kidnap Whitmer were not Trump supporters or particularly political, and that was related to the lockdown, not the election.

Tens of thousands of Trump’s most die hard supported are outside and not causing trouble. They are highly likely to not cause trouble in a couple weeks.

Maybe you think this is what you’ve always feared, but it’s not, and don’t call it in through wishful thinking. Focus on making sure the rioters are properly prosecuted.
Make sure the man who incited the riot is impeached & properly prosecuted.

To prosecute someone for incitement to riot without them explicitly initiating or calling for a riot is a dangerous precedent that would snag up a lot of people. He obviously should have anticipated this though, but he’ll be gone in a few days anyway.
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(01-06-2021 04:23 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  This won't be the end of the violence. You think people that have been primed for a year to not believe the election was fair and repeatedly told by many Republicans that they would have to fight to "save their democracy" are just going to calm down all of a sudden after this?

These are the same kind of people that attacked the state house in Michigan, and those that planned to kidnap and kill the governor.

There was no attack at the Michigan Capitol. Nobody was attacked. There was actual violence (small instances) when the unions literally occupied the MI Capitol a few years ago, and I was there, but that was not an attack either, and most people were just standing around inside the building.

The people who tried to kidnap Whitmer were not Trump supporters or particularly political, and that was related to the lockdown, not the election.

Tens of thousands of Trump’s most die hard supported are outside and not causing trouble. They are highly likely to not cause trouble in a couple weeks.

Maybe you think this is what you’ve always feared, but it’s not, and don’t call it in through wishful thinking. Focus on making sure the rioters are properly prosecuted.

An armed mob in a capital building threatening politicians if they don't vote against the lockdown is not exactly peaceful.

I would bet 95% of the potential kidnappers were Republicans, regardless of the reason they invaded the statehouse.

There are more right-wing nutjobs than just the ones that invaded the Capital building today. And I don't "wish" for any attacks. I didn't wish for the idiocy by Trump supporters we saw today - and by the way, are STILL seeing.
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(01-06-2021 04:34 PM)HaymondAtThe4 Wrote:  The people who voted for Trump have all enabled this. There were countless warnings and red flags and people just excused, dismissed, and ignored them. Republicans should all reckon with the damage they've done. Hopefully if they're presented with another chance to risk it on an authoritarian with no regard for democracy they'll remember what it led to last time. GOP needs to be crushed into dust and buried deep underground.

Is this exciting you? Should Dems get crushed into dust for that congressional baseball shooting a few years ago by the Bernie Bro?

Please, don’t go there, unless you want to speak more violence into existence.
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Hope that all the Trumplicans like Cruz, Hawley, etc. who helped foment this insurrection on the Capitol and had to go into hiding protected by Capitol police will now realize the crisis they caused by supporting one of the most dangerous men in the world.
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(01-06-2021 04:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:23 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  This won't be the end of the violence. You think people that have been primed for a year to not believe the election was fair and repeatedly told by many Republicans that they would have to fight to "save their democracy" are just going to calm down all of a sudden after this?

These are the same kind of people that attacked the state house in Michigan, and those that planned to kidnap and kill the governor.

There was no attack at the Michigan Capitol. Nobody was attacked. There was actual violence (small instances) when the unions literally occupied the MI Capitol a few years ago, and I was there, but that was not an attack either, and most people were just standing around inside the building.

The people who tried to kidnap Whitmer were not Trump supporters or particularly political, and that was related to the lockdown, not the election.

Tens of thousands of Trump’s most die hard supported are outside and not causing trouble. They are highly likely to not cause trouble in a couple weeks.

Maybe you think this is what you’ve always feared, but it’s not, and don’t call it in through wishful thinking. Focus on making sure the rioters are properly prosecuted.

An armed mob in a capital building threatening politicians if they don't vote against the lockdown is not exactly peaceful.

I would bet 95% of the potential kidnappers were Republicans, regardless of the reason they invaded the statehouse.

There are more right-wing nutjobs than just the ones that invaded the Capital building today. And I don't "wish" for any attacks. I didn't wish for the idiocy by Trump supporters we saw today - and by the way, are STILL seeing.

Wrong. You want them to be, but they are not: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l...060368002/

I guess I should leave the thread if you all are just going to smear away with no thought about your own rhetoric. Again, no introspection to be found here (for example, I did not expect this at all), just more rage.
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(01-06-2021 04:39 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:23 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  This won't be the end of the violence. You think people that have been primed for a year to not believe the election was fair and repeatedly told by many Republicans that they would have to fight to "save their democracy" are just going to calm down all of a sudden after this?

These are the same kind of people that attacked the state house in Michigan, and those that planned to kidnap and kill the governor.

There was no attack at the Michigan Capitol. Nobody was attacked. There was actual violence (small instances) when the unions literally occupied the MI Capitol a few years ago, and I was there, but that was not an attack either, and most people were just standing around inside the building.

The people who tried to kidnap Whitmer were not Trump supporters or particularly political, and that was related to the lockdown, not the election.

Tens of thousands of Trump’s most die hard supported are outside and not causing trouble. They are highly likely to not cause trouble in a couple weeks.

Maybe you think this is what you’ve always feared, but it’s not, and don’t call it in through wishful thinking. Focus on making sure the rioters are properly prosecuted.

An armed mob in a capital building threatening politicians if they don't vote against the lockdown is not exactly peaceful.

I would bet 95% of the potential kidnappers were Republicans, regardless of the reason they invaded the statehouse.

There are more right-wing nutjobs than just the ones that invaded the Capital building today. And I don't "wish" for any attacks. I didn't wish for the idiocy by Trump supporters we saw today - and by the way, are STILL seeing.

Wrong. You want them to be, but they are not: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l...060368002/

I guess I should leave the thread if you all are just going to smear away with no thought about your own rhetoric. Again, no introspection to be found here (for example, I did not expect this at all), just more rage.
Rage is an appropriate reaction to Domestic terrorists storming the capital building of the United States of America.
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(01-06-2021 04:39 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:23 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  This won't be the end of the violence. You think people that have been primed for a year to not believe the election was fair and repeatedly told by many Republicans that they would have to fight to "save their democracy" are just going to calm down all of a sudden after this?

These are the same kind of people that attacked the state house in Michigan, and those that planned to kidnap and kill the governor.

There was no attack at the Michigan Capitol. Nobody was attacked. There was actual violence (small instances) when the unions literally occupied the MI Capitol a few years ago, and I was there, but that was not an attack either, and most people were just standing around inside the building.

The people who tried to kidnap Whitmer were not Trump supporters or particularly political, and that was related to the lockdown, not the election.

Tens of thousands of Trump’s most die hard supported are outside and not causing trouble. They are highly likely to not cause trouble in a couple weeks.

Maybe you think this is what you’ve always feared, but it’s not, and don’t call it in through wishful thinking. Focus on making sure the rioters are properly prosecuted.

An armed mob in a capital building threatening politicians if they don't vote against the lockdown is not exactly peaceful.

I would bet 95% of the potential kidnappers were Republicans, regardless of the reason they invaded the statehouse.

There are more right-wing nutjobs than just the ones that invaded the Capital building today. And I don't "wish" for any attacks. I didn't wish for the idiocy by Trump supporters we saw today - and by the way, are STILL seeing.

Wrong. You want them to be, but they are not: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l...060368002/

I guess I should leave the thread if you all are just going to smear away with no thought about your own rhetoric. Again, no introspection to be found here (for example, I did not expect this at all), just more rage.

Nowhere does that say that the guy they were talking about wasn't a Republican. And it doesn't say anything about the other plotters.
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(01-06-2021 04:49 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:39 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:23 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 04:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  This won't be the end of the violence. You think people that have been primed for a year to not believe the election was fair and repeatedly told by many Republicans that they would have to fight to "save their democracy" are just going to calm down all of a sudden after this?

These are the same kind of people that attacked the state house in Michigan, and those that planned to kidnap and kill the governor.

There was no attack at the Michigan Capitol. Nobody was attacked. There was actual violence (small instances) when the unions literally occupied the MI Capitol a few years ago, and I was there, but that was not an attack either, and most people were just standing around inside the building.

The people who tried to kidnap Whitmer were not Trump supporters or particularly political, and that was related to the lockdown, not the election.

Tens of thousands of Trump’s most die hard supported are outside and not causing trouble. They are highly likely to not cause trouble in a couple weeks.

Maybe you think this is what you’ve always feared, but it’s not, and don’t call it in through wishful thinking. Focus on making sure the rioters are properly prosecuted.

An armed mob in a capital building threatening politicians if they don't vote against the lockdown is not exactly peaceful.

I would bet 95% of the potential kidnappers were Republicans, regardless of the reason they invaded the statehouse.

There are more right-wing nutjobs than just the ones that invaded the Capital building today. And I don't "wish" for any attacks. I didn't wish for the idiocy by Trump supporters we saw today - and by the way, are STILL seeing.

Wrong. You want them to be, but they are not: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l...060368002/

I guess I should leave the thread if you all are just going to smear away with no thought about your own rhetoric. Again, no introspection to be found here (for example, I did not expect this at all), just more rage.
Rage is an appropriate reaction to Domestic terrorists storming the capital building of the United States of America.

Especially when it was incited by Trumpists for months.

One thing I'm confused about. They had been saying they were going to have the National Guard there (before the event). Where were they?
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