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(02-06-2022 12:53 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 11:47 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 09:50 AM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 09:42 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  Think about this: you all are shrieking about DEMOCRACY in this thread. For months, Governor Whitmer abused a law meant to contain riots to assume dictatorial control of the state, suspending rights so basic they weren’t even included in the bill of rights. She was literally forbidding you from receiving medical care! And when our separation of powers kicked in and her abuse of authority was addressed by the courts, she had her administration try to enforce her dictates anyway. And this was at a point no hospital was in threat of being swamped.

Listen to yourselves, guys. You make a mockery of democracy by supporting the concept of “one man, one vote, one time.”

We were dealing with a global pandemic. Leaders all around the world had to make tough decisions. Some decisions were right. Some decisions were wrong. In Michigan, we watched Trump's mob plan a murder/kidnap of our Governor over her decisions. And you think Governor Whitmer is on the wrong side of history.

Now back to the actual subject of this thread, how does anything Governor Whitmer did compare to Donald Trump deciding to try and overrule the results of a Presidential election, organizing a rally on the day they certified the election, and telling his mob to go invade the Capitol, and continuing to lie about it for over a year.

The level of cognivate dissonance you have to have to believe Governor Whitmer was showing fascist behavior over haircuts & cottages, but be OK with the actions of Donald Trump trying to change the results of a Presidential election, is truly staggering.

You seem perfectly willing to accept tyranny as long as it’s being exercised by the right people. For all his faults, the oaf in chief never cancelled your surgery, abridged the first amendment, directed corporations to fire you for not following his orders, etc.

You seem perfectly willing to forget “your side” attacked the White House and attempted to breach security, and “your side” laughed about the security situation: “the president is hiding! Hahaha.”

Just consider that someday you will no longer be part of the club and the massive power apparatus you excuse in the name of public health hysteria is going to decide it’s time to run over you.

My side? So, Barack Obama or Joe Biden or Hillary organized a rally in DC & told the protesters to march to the WH? That’s what happened on January 6th. Protesters on your WH event were protesting a black man being killed The January 6th protesters were protesting a white guy losing a fair election & trying to overthrow democracy.

I bet you think these are the same.

Same goal: illegally breach security and harm the people within. The difference is I reject the violence and you implicitly support it.

(02-07-2022 08:51 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 12:53 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 11:47 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 09:50 AM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 09:42 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  Think about this: you all are shrieking about DEMOCRACY in this thread. For months, Governor Whitmer abused a law meant to contain riots to assume dictatorial control of the state, suspending rights so basic they weren’t even included in the bill of rights. She was literally forbidding you from receiving medical care! And when our separation of powers kicked in and her abuse of authority was addressed by the courts, she had her administration try to enforce her dictates anyway. And this was at a point no hospital was in threat of being swamped.

Listen to yourselves, guys. You make a mockery of democracy by supporting the concept of “one man, one vote, one time.”

We were dealing with a global pandemic. Leaders all around the world had to make tough decisions. Some decisions were right. Some decisions were wrong. In Michigan, we watched Trump's mob plan a murder/kidnap of our Governor over her decisions. And you think Governor Whitmer is on the wrong side of history.

Now back to the actual subject of this thread, how does anything Governor Whitmer did compare to Donald Trump deciding to try and overrule the results of a Presidential election, organizing a rally on the day they certified the election, and telling his mob to go invade the Capitol, and continuing to lie about it for over a year.

The level of cognivate dissonance you have to have to believe Governor Whitmer was showing fascist behavior over haircuts & cottages, but be OK with the actions of Donald Trump trying to change the results of a Presidential election, is truly staggering.

You seem perfectly willing to accept tyranny as long as it’s being exercised by the right people. For all his faults, the oaf in chief never cancelled your surgery, abridged the first amendment, directed corporations to fire you for not following his orders, etc.

You seem perfectly willing to forget “your side” attacked the White House and attempted to breach security, and “your side” laughed about the security situation: “the president is hiding! Hahaha.”

Just consider that someday you will no longer be part of the club and the massive power apparatus you excuse in the name of public health hysteria is going to decide it’s time to run over you.

My side? So, Barack Obama or Joe Biden or Hillary organized a rally in DC & told the protesters to march to the WH? That’s what happened on January 6th. Protesters on your WH event were protesting a black man being killed The January 6th protesters were protesting a white guy losing a fair election & trying to overthrow democracy.

I bet you think these are the same.

Same goal: illegally breach security and harm the people within. The difference is I reject the violence and you implicitly support it.

Now, I’m confused. So, was January 6th violence that should be rejected or is it Legitimate Political Discourse like the Republican Party is now claiming? Try to answer the question w/o using whataboutism as your crutch.

(02-06-2022 03:06 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Let's not forget that several times in 2016 even before the election was held Trump proclaimed that if he lost it would be because the election was "rigged" (without proof-evidence, of course).

Going along with the post about gas prices being high, in 2014 gas prices were also very high with oil companies making huge profits. The timing is interesting in that each seemed to be influencing an upcoming election...this year, midterms.

(02-06-2022 03:06 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Let's not forget that several times in 2016 even before the election was held Trump proclaimed that if he lost it would be because the election was "rigged" (without proof-evidence, of course).

Let’s not forget that in 2016 after trumps win the left called his win illegitimate and Hillary claimed he cheated. Oh and there was that whole fake Russian collusion.

(02-07-2022 06:35 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 03:06 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Let's not forget that several times in 2016 even before the election was held Trump proclaimed that if he lost it would be because the election was "rigged" (without proof-evidence, of course).

Let’s not forget that in 2016 after trumps win the left called his win illegitimate and Hillary claimed he cheated. Oh and there was that whole fake Russian collusion.

Hillary Clinton formally conceded the Presidential Election on Nov 9, 2016, one day after our nation voted.

We are a year & 3 months after the 2020 Presidential Election and Donald Trump has never formally conceded. He still claims there was election fraud despite the fact that Chris Krebs, the Director of Cybersecurity and Trump appointee, says there was no election fraud. Every court case the Trump administration filed in court was rejected besides a few related to how far away witnesses could stand to vote counters.

He organized a rally on the day the election was to be certified, told his supporters to march to the Capitol, & they did. People died, many Capitol police officers sustained serious injuries, our Capitol was vandalized, the Confederate flag entered the Capitol, & people were chanting hang Mike Pence.

Donald Trump & most of the Republican Party now claim it was a peaceful protest. Liz Cheney & Adam Kinzinger have been censured by their party because they believe in Democracy & want to investigate what happened that day.

Yeah....but whatabout Hillary!

(02-07-2022 06:35 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 03:06 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Let's not forget that several times in 2016 even before the election was held Trump proclaimed that if he lost it would be because the election was "rigged" (without proof-evidence, of course).

Let’s not forget that in 2016 after trumps win the left called his win illegitimate and Hillary claimed he cheated. Oh and there was that whole fake Russian collusion.

https://time.com/5565991/russia-influenc...-election/

(02-07-2022 06:35 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 03:06 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Let's not forget that several times in 2016 even before the election was held Trump proclaimed that if he lost it would be because the election was "rigged" (without proof-evidence, of course).

Let’s not forget that in 2016 after trumps win the left called his win illegitimate and Hillary claimed he cheated. Oh and there was that whole fake Russian collusion.

However, Hillary (whom I did not care for as a nominee) did accept a peaceful transition of power and Obama met with Trump during a presidential transition meeting and left him a congratulatory note and best wishes. When Trump was defeated, how did he react, where was his congratulatory note, how was his golf game when he bolted from the Capitol?

(02-07-2022 04:45 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 08:51 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 12:53 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 11:47 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 09:50 AM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  We were dealing with a global pandemic. Leaders all around the world had to make tough decisions. Some decisions were right. Some decisions were wrong. In Michigan, we watched Trump's mob plan a murder/kidnap of our Governor over her decisions. And you think Governor Whitmer is on the wrong side of history.

Now back to the actual subject of this thread, how does anything Governor Whitmer did compare to Donald Trump deciding to try and overrule the results of a Presidential election, organizing a rally on the day they certified the election, and telling his mob to go invade the Capitol, and continuing to lie about it for over a year.

The level of cognivate dissonance you have to have to believe Governor Whitmer was showing fascist behavior over haircuts & cottages, but be OK with the actions of Donald Trump trying to change the results of a Presidential election, is truly staggering.

You seem perfectly willing to accept tyranny as long as it’s being exercised by the right people. For all his faults, the oaf in chief never cancelled your surgery, abridged the first amendment, directed corporations to fire you for not following his orders, etc.

You seem perfectly willing to forget “your side” attacked the White House and attempted to breach security, and “your side” laughed about the security situation: “the president is hiding! Hahaha.”

Just consider that someday you will no longer be part of the club and the massive power apparatus you excuse in the name of public health hysteria is going to decide it’s time to run over you.

My side? So, Barack Obama or Joe Biden or Hillary organized a rally in DC & told the protesters to march to the WH? That’s what happened on January 6th. Protesters on your WH event were protesting a black man being killed The January 6th protesters were protesting a white guy losing a fair election & trying to overthrow democracy.

I bet you think these are the same.

Same goal: illegally breach security and harm the people within. The difference is I reject the violence and you implicitly support it.

Now, I’m confused. So, was January 6th violence that should be rejected or is it Legitimate Political Discourse like the Republican Party is now claiming? Try to answer the question w/o using whataboutism as your crutch.

I stated earlier that the resolution didn’t say the people in the Capitol were legitimate, it was about the committee going after people who weren’t in there. The media mischaracterized it. Ashli Babbitt had it coming for breaching the final barrier.

You seem incapable of denouncing the similar violence at the White House. I can only surmise you fear to denounce it, or you actually support it without being seen as supporting it. That’s not me engaging in whataboutism, it’s me calling you a hypocrite or a coward, to be frank. As I said many months ago, this hypocrisy can only last so long. If you keep holding the other team and the refs aren’t going to call it, the other team is going to respond in kind.

Kind of like seeing Trudeau impotently complain about truckers shutting down the economy. Suddenly a general strike seems less wise…

Let’s see if the words of Mitt Romney(R-Utah) can drive this point home.

“Shame falls on a party that would censure persons of conscience, who seek truth in the face of vitriol. Honor attaches to Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for seeking truth even when doing so comes at great personal cost.”

Interesting: Infrastructure passed, booming economy, lowest unemployment in years, robust stock market, housing market surging, building everywhere, Chip factory being built to end dependency on China, recharging factories to accommodate the increase in electric vehicles. Chevron (6.11 billion in profits last quarter) and other oil companies rake in huge profits causing high gasoline prices and inflation across the country.

(02-08-2022 04:09 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  Let’s see if the words of Mitt Romney(R-Utah) can drive this point home.

“Shame falls on a party that would censure persons of conscience, who seek truth in the face of vitriol. Honor attaches to Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for seeking truth even when doing so comes at great personal cost.”

You can’t even pay the personal cost of saying attacking the White House is bad—or good.

(02-08-2022 06:31 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 04:09 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  Let’s see if the words of Mitt Romney(R-Utah) can drive this point home.

“Shame falls on a party that would censure persons of conscience, who seek truth in the face of vitriol. Honor attaches to Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for seeking truth even when doing so comes at great personal cost.”

You can’t even pay the personal cost of saying attacking the White House is bad—or good.

I stopped reading anything you have to say when you suggested I was a coward. Our back & forth is over.

My quick two cents is this: most of the Republic party has gone completely off the rails. If they want to continue to follow Trump I certainly will have nothing to do with them.

(02-09-2022 04:37 PM)BroncoMD Wrote:  My quick two cents is this: most of the Republic party has gone completely off the rails. If they want to continue to follow Trump I certainly will have nothing to do with them.

Agreed.

(02-09-2022 04:43 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 04:37 PM)BroncoMD Wrote:  My quick two cents is this: most of the Republic party has gone completely off the rails. If they want to continue to follow Trump I certainly will have nothing to do with them.

Agreed.

I second that.

(02-09-2022 04:37 PM)BroncoMD Wrote:  My quick two cents is this: most of the Republic party has gone completely off the rails. If they want to continue to follow Trump I certainly will have nothing to do with them.

How so?

(02-09-2022 07:28 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 04:37 PM)BroncoMD Wrote:  My quick two cents is this: most of the Republic party has gone completely off the rails. If they want to continue to follow Trump I certainly will have nothing to do with them.

How so?

What's the address to the cave you've been living in for the past 5 years so that we can send you some examples?

(02-09-2022 07:28 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 04:37 PM)BroncoMD Wrote:  My quick two cents is this: most of the Republic party has gone completely off the rails. If they want to continue to follow Trump I certainly will have nothing to do with them.

How so?

"Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind's made up."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/t...li=BBnbfcL

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...d=msedgntp

The Man Who Would be President - again.