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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-12-2021 05:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: (01-12-2021 05:07 PM)Todor Wrote: I give them 4 seasons in the WAC. This Texas 4 plus Tarleton--I think that they think that some of the better Sunbelt schools will get invited to another conference and they will be in a position to be the backfill if they are already FBS or at least have the process partially underway.
I don't really know, or care, about the specifics of FBS progression, how long it takes, when a school is "countable," or eligible for this that or the other etc. But I suspect they think they will gain some advantage in future realignment by being either in the process or just completed already.
Sunbelt, Conference USA, some new arrangement with the Dakota schools??? Who knows.... Whichever it happens to be, wherever they can squeeze in. Doesn't matter. That's what I think the plan is.
And most likely, they'll prompt other schools (Dixie, SUU or?) to follow suit, who think they are spending all that money because they will then be in an FBS conference, only to have the Texans bolt at their first opportunity and leave a handful of broke Indies who don't have an FBS conference after all.
They're giddy to show Chicago State the door, but I think we better pray they stick around because 6 may not be such an easy number to achieve in an unknown future.
However it happens, none have any real interest in ever being part of the WAC. Many of their fans and even their local media seem justifiably perplexed. I hope their game doesn't end up wrecking the WAC.
If FBS is the plan, I doubt any of the Texas football schools will ever play even one FBS game in an FBS WAC before they leave.
Shades of North Texas joining the Big West in 1996? "No real interest in ever being part of..." sounds similar to what you're saying with respect to Tarleton State and friends.
I'd forgotten about that. And they were an all sports member! The BW had football affiliates all over the place briefly, but I think N Texas was the only full member so far out there. But at least they were just one...
When the Texadus hits the WAC it could be 4 or even 5.
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
Lamar and ACU haven’t even played a down in the WAC and there’s already people fantasizing about them leaving. SMH
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
The one story line I do t get is the one around UCA. What’s their motivation to leave? There’s still 4 football schools in LA, 2 in TX, 2 non-fb schools and then the Bears.
Why do they need to go pursue some wonky conference with the ASUN?! Just stay put and find a program or 2 to reload with and move on.
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-12-2021 08:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: The one story line I do t get is the one around UCA. What’s their motivation to leave? There’s still 4 football schools in LA, 2 in TX, 2 non-fb schools and then the Bears.
Why do they need to go pursue some wonky conference with the ASUN?! Just stay put and find a program or 2 to reload with and move on.
Just look at WHICH schools are left...
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-12-2021 07:37 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote: Lamar and ACU haven’t even played a down in the WAC and there’s already people fantasizing about them leaving. SMH
It's not a fantasy, more like a bad dream. But I'm awake.
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-12-2021 08:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: The one story line I do t get is the one around UCA. What’s their motivation to leave? There’s still 4 football schools in LA, 2 in TX, 2 non-fb schools and then the Bears.
Why do they need to go pursue some wonky conference with the ASUN?! Just stay put and find a program or 2 to reload with and move on.
There's some thought that the ASUN wants an FBS league as well.
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-12-2021 08:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: The one story line I do t get is the one around UCA. What’s their motivation to leave? There’s still 4 football schools in LA, 2 in TX, 2 non-fb schools and then the Bears.
Why do they need to go pursue some wonky conference with the ASUN?! Just stay put and find a program or 2 to reload with and move on.
Dont understand what's wonky about the ASUN? Seems healthier and more stable than ever.
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-08-2021 04:50 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote: (01-08-2021 04:47 PM)BKTopper Wrote: (01-08-2021 04:33 PM)dbackjon Wrote: (01-08-2021 04:04 PM)SDHornet Wrote: (01-08-2021 12:44 AM)AllTideUp Wrote: Fair point, but the conference options in that part of the world have been limited.
The WAC restarting football would present an option that hasn't existed in some time. Assuming they aspire to FBS, and it is an assumption, then the WAC is a better vehicle.
I think to the issue of climate...Flagstaff isn't far from Southern CA so it makes sense they've gotten some players. But would they get more if their games stretched from CA to TX rather than CA to MT?
Their last stadium upgrades resulted in a loss of capacity. I don't buy the FBS angle with NAU, but I can buy wanting to be in a better fit for FCS.
yes - Skydome now sits 10K. They replaced the bleachers that officially gave about 20" of seat room with chairback seats.
NAU would have to build a new stadium to go FBS, and unless I win the lottery multiple times, that isn't happening.
Not sure if a bunch of small towns in Texas that most have to look up to spell correctly is really hitting prime Texas recruiting.
Stephensville - Population 21,000
Nacogdoches - Population 32,000
Huntsville - Population 38,000
Abilene - Population 117,000
Beaumont - Population 117,000
Beaumont is prime TX recruiting, about halfway between Houston and NOLA.
There's not a single school in this proposed WAC football league that needs to be thinking about FBS. The one with the most FBS potential is actually still in D2, West Texas, which at least would probably draw a fair amount of fans to the game in Amarillo and used to play at what is now the FBS level. The rest are not even MAC level. I guess we can have Tuesday-Wednesday night WACtion if the FBS league comes to fruition.
WACky Wednesdays?
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
"My understanding right now is that Chicago State intends to continue to compete at the D-I level, and will compete as an independent if no other conference membership opportunities present themselves." - Matt Brown in today’s Extra Points (behind a paywall)
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-13-2021 07:40 AM)TexasTerror Wrote: "My understanding right now is that Chicago State intends to continue to compete at the D-I level, and will compete as an independent if no other conference membership opportunities present themselves." - Matt Brown in today’s Extra Points (behind a paywall)
Poor organizational leadership. Chicago State is a dying institution that is bleeding students and money. They should not be putting money into D1 athletics but should focus on D3 or NAIA athletics that would bring in tuition paying students as athletes.
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-12-2021 10:39 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: (01-12-2021 08:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: The one story line I do t get is the one around UCA. What’s their motivation to leave? There’s still 4 football schools in LA, 2 in TX, 2 non-fb schools and then the Bears.
Why do they need to go pursue some wonky conference with the ASUN?! Just stay put and find a program or 2 to reload with and move on.
There's some thought that the ASUN wants an FBS league as well.
Good lord. Bring up the CAA and SoCon while they're at it!
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-13-2021 07:40 AM)TexasTerror Wrote: "My understanding right now is that Chicago State intends to continue to compete at the D-I level, and will compete as an independent if no other conference membership opportunities present themselves." - Matt Brown in today’s Extra Points (behind a paywall)
Interesting. If Chicago State is headed out then with the incoming five schools the WAC will have 13 members. And if the reports are true that the conference is still looking to add two more, that would push membership to 15 which doesn’t make sense.
The implication is that one of the remaing two additions would be football-only, or that one more existing member could leave.
Here’s one way the latter scenario could play out:
- Northern Arizona is invited to replace Chicago State and accepts
- The Big Sky responds to losing Southern Utah and Northern Arizona by inviting Seattle which accepts
- The WAC backfills for Seattle with West Texas A&M
The WAC would end up with 14 full members (7 in Texas and 7 in SoCal/Utah/Arizona/New Mexico) and 9 FCS teams. The Big Sky would end up with 10 full members and 11 FCS teams. Both conferences would have smaller, more manageable geographic footprints.
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-13-2021 11:20 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: (01-13-2021 07:40 AM)TexasTerror Wrote: "My understanding right now is that Chicago State intends to continue to compete at the D-I level, and will compete as an independent if no other conference membership opportunities present themselves." - Matt Brown in today’s Extra Points (behind a paywall)
Interesting. If Chicago State is headed out then with the incoming five schools the WAC will have 13 members. And if the reports are true that the conference is still looking to add two more, that would push membership to 15 which doesn’t make sense.
The implication is that one of the remaing two additions would be football-only, or that one more existing member could leave.
Here’s one way the latter scenario could play out:
- Northern Arizona is invited to replace Chicago State and accepts
- The Big Sky responds to losing Southern Utah and Northern Arizona by inviting Seattle which accepts
- The WAC backfills for Seattle with West Texas A&M
The WAC would end up with 14 full members (7 in Texas and 7 in SoCal/Utah/Arizona/New Mexico) and 9 FCS teams. The Big Sky would end up with 10 full members and 11 FCS teams. Both conferences would have smaller, more manageable geographic footprints.
There you go spouting logical realignment again
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-13-2021 12:30 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote: (01-08-2021 04:50 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote: (01-08-2021 04:47 PM)BKTopper Wrote: (01-08-2021 04:33 PM)dbackjon Wrote: (01-08-2021 04:04 PM)SDHornet Wrote: Their last stadium upgrades resulted in a loss of capacity. I don't buy the FBS angle with NAU, but I can buy wanting to be in a better fit for FCS.
yes - Skydome now sits 10K. They replaced the bleachers that officially gave about 20" of seat room with chairback seats.
NAU would have to build a new stadium to go FBS, and unless I win the lottery multiple times, that isn't happening.
Not sure if a bunch of small towns in Texas that most have to look up to spell correctly is really hitting prime Texas recruiting.
Stephensville - Population 21,000
Nacogdoches - Population 32,000
Huntsville - Population 38,000
Abilene - Population 117,000
Beaumont - Population 117,000
Beaumont is prime TX recruiting, about halfway between Houston and NOLA.
There's not a single school in this proposed WAC football league that needs to be thinking about FBS. The one with the most FBS potential is actually still in D2, West Texas, which at least would probably draw a fair amount of fans to the game in Amarillo and used to play at what is now the FBS level. The rest are not even MAC level. I guess we can have Tuesday-Wednesday night WACtion if the FBS league comes to fruition.
WACky Wednesdays?
Towns of these sizes seem to be more successful than the larger ones. Boone, Statesboro and Conway look better than Charlotte right now.
Recruits will come to these schools as much as any other lower level FBS school. Your staff will need to develop players better than the competition.
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
I'm not sure the Big Sky would be interested in Seattle unless the conference were desperate for members. For whatever reason, having odd numbers of BB (11) and FB (13) teams doesn't seem to bother the Big Sky enough to do anything about it. Also, I believe sponsoring FB is currently a requirement for full Big Sky members, although they could certainly change (or ignore) their by-laws if the situation warranted it.
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-13-2021 11:24 AM)solohawks Wrote: (01-13-2021 11:20 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: (01-13-2021 07:40 AM)TexasTerror Wrote: "My understanding right now is that Chicago State intends to continue to compete at the D-I level, and will compete as an independent if no other conference membership opportunities present themselves." - Matt Brown in today’s Extra Points (behind a paywall)
Interesting. If Chicago State is headed out then with the incoming five schools the WAC will have 13 members. And if the reports are true that the conference is still looking to add two more, that would push membership to 15 which doesn’t make sense.
The implication is that one of the remaing two additions would be football-only, or that one more existing member could leave.
Here’s one way the latter scenario could play out:
- Northern Arizona is invited to replace Chicago State and accepts
- The Big Sky responds to losing Southern Utah and Northern Arizona by inviting Seattle which accepts
- The WAC backfills for Seattle with West Texas A&M
The WAC would end up with 14 full members (7 in Texas and 7 in SoCal/Utah/Arizona/New Mexico) and 9 FCS teams. The Big Sky would end up with 10 full members and 11 FCS teams. Both conferences would have smaller, more manageable geographic footprints.
There you go spouting logical realignment again
This is the scenario that I brought up in the other WAC thread.
This actually makes sense and is the primary goal in this, I think. There are plenty of in between scenarios that work for almost everyone as well. The move isn't earth shattering like the Big Ten taking Maryland or the ACC getting into the Big East. But it's a move that could be a major positive, but really ends up being a positive no matter how it all shakes out.
From where they are now it's really just trading Seattle for NAU (as long as the schools do not object) because it makes more sense for everyone. With nine football schools they have enough that a few might make it FBS. Really as long as three of them can it means they along with NMST could fairly easily maintain FBS status by scheduling each other and their FCS home game (probably against the WAC FCS left back) in November and doing 2-1s or buy games September and October as pay days. Toss in a home and home with an eastern independent and they could make some decent schedules.
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-06-2021 05:55 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: (01-06-2021 05:51 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: Gotta give credit to the WAC and its leadership. It's not long ago that a lot of folks here viewed the WAC as having one foot in the grave and referred to it as the conference of misfit toys. I'm particularly glad for NMSU which was the last school from the old FBS WAC left behind when everyone else bailed from 2010 to 2014 and has persevered through the difficult conference rebuilding process ever since.
While it's an improvement to have schools wanting to leave current D1 conferences to join the WAC, I would not say the conference is dramatically improved by these additions. Also, regarding the appeal to the newcomers, it's not that the WAC is a destination conference, but rather one that is weak enough to be co-opted for their own purposes.
The new look WAC dramatically improves basketball and can field a credible FCS football conference within a reasonable geographic footprint. Without breaking down Olympic sports on a sport by sport basis, some very good teams are coming the WAC’s way.
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
(01-13-2021 12:10 PM)Foreverandever Wrote: (01-13-2021 11:24 AM)solohawks Wrote: (01-13-2021 11:20 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: (01-13-2021 07:40 AM)TexasTerror Wrote: "My understanding right now is that Chicago State intends to continue to compete at the D-I level, and will compete as an independent if no other conference membership opportunities present themselves." - Matt Brown in today’s Extra Points (behind a paywall)
Interesting. If Chicago State is headed out then with the incoming five schools the WAC will have 13 members. And if the reports are true that the conference is still looking to add two more, that would push membership to 15 which doesn’t make sense.
The implication is that one of the remaing two additions would be football-only, or that one more existing member could leave.
Here’s one way the latter scenario could play out:
- Northern Arizona is invited to replace Chicago State and accepts
- The Big Sky responds to losing Southern Utah and Northern Arizona by inviting Seattle which accepts
- The WAC backfills for Seattle with West Texas A&M
The WAC would end up with 14 full members (7 in Texas and 7 in SoCal/Utah/Arizona/New Mexico) and 9 FCS teams. The Big Sky would end up with 10 full members and 11 FCS teams. Both conferences would have smaller, more manageable geographic footprints.
There you go spouting logical realignment again
This is the scenario that I brought up in the other WAC thread.
This actually makes sense and is the primary goal in this, I think. There are plenty of in between scenarios that work for almost everyone as well. The move isn't earth shattering like the Big Ten taking Maryland or the ACC getting into the Big East. But it's a move that could be a major positive, but really ends up being a positive no matter how it all shakes out.
From where they are now it's really just trading Seattle for NAU (as long as the schools do not object) because it makes more sense for everyone. With nine football schools they have enough that a few might make it FBS. Really as long as three of them can it means they along with NMST could fairly easily maintain FBS status by scheduling each other and their FCS home game (probably against the WAC FCS left back) in November and doing 2-1s or buy games September and October as pay days. Toss in a home and home with an eastern independent and they could make some decent schedules.
Ive mentioned this scenario too. Seattle to Big Sky, Northern Arizona to WAC, and Northern Colorado to Summit/WAC football just makes a ton of sense and allows all 3 conferences to solidify their footprint.
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RE: David St Rejoice, or Guess Who's WAC, WAC Again?
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Sources: Four of the schools heading to the WAC will do so in all sports effective July 1 of this year. Those are Abilene Christian, Lamar, Sam Houston and Stephen F. Austin, which had been slated to go in 2022. Southern Utah is still slated to join in July of 2022 in all sports.
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This move expedites the newly formed WAC conference, which now plans to start FCS play in 2021.
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