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(01-07-2021 07:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Universal healthcare is such a wild outrageous concept that only every developed nation apart from the United States has figured it out, many for decades, in many cases(and specifically the countries Senator Sanders models after) the citizens of those countries see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do here. The man that brought socialized healthcare to Canada was voted "The Greatest Canadian".

Those would be the same nations who's citizens regularly come here for medical care because they either cant get care at all--or cant get it in a timely fashion in Utopia? Sounds super swell. Can we be honest? Heathcare---like every other resource---is finite. Every nation rations it. Id rather virtually anyone but an uncaring dont-give-a-crap-cuz-I-cant-be-fired government bureaucrat be in charge of heathcare. When my life is on the line, the last person I want to have to count on is a government official.

Medical tourism exists in every country, the United States included.

This is just an exaggerated talking point, sure wealthy people that can afford to jump to the front of the line by paying thousands, hundreds of thousands in some cases, in airfare and the outrageous cost of the American Healthcare system do travel here.

Half of all Americans report delaying treatment because they can't afford the out of pocket cost, Americans are dying rationing life saving medicine. We already have wait times baked in.
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(01-07-2021 08:46 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
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(01-07-2021 08:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'm nearly 40 friend, and I'll stay in the country of my birth and fight for the causes I believe in, but thanks for calling me young.

Act your age. And get another name. Sounds like a kid. Fight all you want. You will have adversaries.

"Act your age" says the guy casting insults on a message board. I have no need for another name, I signed up with the handle when I was 23 after using it for a few years on another board. If you seek to infer things from a simple message board handle and use them as ammunition in a disagreement you're already taking a step in the wrong direction friend.

Fight for the privatized bull**** system all you want, we will join the rest of the developed nations in making access to healthcare a right and not a privilege based upon income and/or the quality of your employer. I'm sorry that you do not believe our country is strong enough to lead the world in something every other developed nation is and has been doing for years. I do.

Ive been in healthcare almost 25 years.

I dont know of a single patient turned away because of income or any other reason.

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Half of all Americans report delaying treatment due to cost, Americans die rationing life saving medicine. These things, along with medical debt, only exist in the United States among developed nations.

BS.
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(01-07-2021 10:39 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  This MT fruitcake is way on out there where the buses don’t run. Probably believes there’s more than 2 genders and wants to ban all guns. One of those kind

Gender is a spectrum, few if any want to ban all guns.

We could cut the citizen armament in half and we'd still have the most guns per capita in the world, and more than the next highest developed nation(Canada) by more than 50%.

I own multiple guns, friend, and while I'm not advocating for anything so drastic as cutting by half, in my opinion there are far too many guns in this country, but when we punted on gun control after Sandy Hook... well, I'll just say you and I have starkly contrasting views on one of the United States most uniquely American problems.

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(01-07-2021 08:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:00 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  We have wait times baked into the system here based on the cost of our inhumane profits over people outrageously overpriced privatized healthcare system. Your anecdotal experience is noted, Canadians and Brits rate their systems more favorably than we rate ours.

Medical tourism exists in every country, there is a Utah based health insurer that will literally pay you to travel to Mexico for particular prescriptions because it is more cost effective for them than paying the US cost.

My problem is since Obamacare you can’t get into to see your PC because people run to the doctor for everything. They see something on TV or read an article on WebMD and their sure they have it. So they run to they doctor.

My ex wife has worked in the medical field for decades. She has patients in her PC office that call and schedule an appointment every week just so they have someone to talk to. They’re lonely so they go to the doctor to talk to someone that seems sympathetic.

Here in Kentucky the former Governor wanted to put a small copay on PC visits ($5 or less if I remember correctly) to help offset medical costs in the state and force those that use the system the most to have some stake in it. You would have thought he was going to shutdown medical care the way his opponents reacted.

The idea of social medicine, like many liberal ideas, is great until it’s put into practice. They don’t take into the account those people that always want more than their fair share.

And yet, every other developed nation provides some level of socialized medicine to its citizenry and again, in many countries they see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do.

I suppose the United States is just uniquely unable to follow the rest of the developed world, sort of flies in the face of the greatest nation on earth, but then, anyone paying attention knows that hasn't been the case in decades for numerous reasons...

So what we have here is a young idiot. “Trump should have called in the national guard” even though Nancy just took that off the table in her last little ‘pass it to find out what’s in it’ covid relief bill. Keep up you little frat suckin’ America hater. I’ll say it again, if America is so bad get the hell out to your utopia. Should be a wonderful transition for you.

I'm nearly 40 friend, and I'll stay in the country of my birth and fight for the causes I believe in, but thanks for calling me young.

HAHAHA! Nearly 40 IS young. Your balls haven't even fully dropped yet, son.

But I get it, when I was nearly 40 I was still clinging to my idealism too. I was blaming everyone older than me for the mess they'd left us to deal with. 25 years later I understand that it was just more "same as it ever was".

The only real difference is that back then we still loved our constitutional republic, we still saw ourselves as that shining light on the hill. These days you idiots are reveling in the fundamental transformation we are experiencing. That transformation bodes ill for you and for me. But you loons are happy to continue the slide into the anarchy and chaos that your radical agendas will surely bring about as you abandon and overthrow such archaic notions as independence, freedom and personal liberty.
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(01-08-2021 06:41 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 11:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 10:39 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  This MT fruitcake is way on out there where the buses don’t run. Probably believes there’s more than 2 genders and wants to ban all guns. One of those kind

Gender is a spectrum, few if any want to ban all guns.

We could cut the citizen armament in half and we'd still have the most guns per capita in the world, and more than the next highest developed nation(Canada) by more than 50%.

I own multiple guns, friend, and while I'm not advocating for anything so drastic as cutting by half, in my opinion there are far too many guns in this country, but when we punted on gun control after Sandy Hook... well, I'll just say you and I have starkly contrasting views on one of the United States most uniquely American problems.

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Where do all these commies come from?
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(01-08-2021 09:57 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 06:41 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 11:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 10:39 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  This MT fruitcake is way on out there where the buses don’t run. Probably believes there’s more than 2 genders and wants to ban all guns. One of those kind

Gender is a spectrum, few if any want to ban all guns.

We could cut the citizen armament in half and we'd still have the most guns per capita in the world, and more than the next highest developed nation(Canada) by more than 50%.

I own multiple guns, friend, and while I'm not advocating for anything so drastic as cutting by half, in my opinion there are far too many guns in this country, but when we punted on gun control after Sandy Hook... well, I'll just say you and I have starkly contrasting views on one of the United States most uniquely American problems.

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Where do all these commies come from?

Define communism.

(I come from the United States, Georgia to be more specific)
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(01-08-2021 06:41 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 11:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 10:39 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  This MT fruitcake is way on out there where the buses don’t run. Probably believes there’s more than 2 genders and wants to ban all guns. One of those kind

Gender is a spectrum, few if any want to ban all guns.

We could cut the citizen armament in half and we'd still have the most guns per capita in the world, and more than the next highest developed nation(Canada) by more than 50%.

I own multiple guns, friend, and while I'm not advocating for anything so drastic as cutting by half, in my opinion there are far too many guns in this country, but when we punted on gun control after Sandy Hook... well, I'll just say you and I have starkly contrasting views on one of the United States most uniquely American problems.

03-lmfao

Laugh all you want, doesn't make it less true. Sex =/= gender, gender is a social construct and is indeed a spectrum.

Die mad about it.
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(01-08-2021 10:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Define communism.

(I come from the United States, Georgia to be more specific)

Lots of commies in Georgia
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(01-08-2021 10:56 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Laugh all you want, doesn't make it less true. Sex =/= gender, gender is a social construct and is indeed a spectrum.

Die mad about it.

All the prog filth constantly saying "follow the science", until you don't want to acknowledge the science. XX and XY, deal with it.
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(01-08-2021 08:00 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:00 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  My problem is since Obamacare you can’t get into to see your PC because people run to the doctor for everything. They see something on TV or read an article on WebMD and their sure they have it. So they run to they doctor.

My ex wife has worked in the medical field for decades. She has patients in her PC office that call and schedule an appointment every week just so they have someone to talk to. They’re lonely so they go to the doctor to talk to someone that seems sympathetic.

Here in Kentucky the former Governor wanted to put a small copay on PC visits ($5 or less if I remember correctly) to help offset medical costs in the state and force those that use the system the most to have some stake in it. You would have thought he was going to shutdown medical care the way his opponents reacted.

The idea of social medicine, like many liberal ideas, is great until it’s put into practice. They don’t take into the account those people that always want more than their fair share.

And yet, every other developed nation provides some level of socialized medicine to its citizenry and again, in many countries they see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do.

I suppose the United States is just uniquely unable to follow the rest of the developed world, sort of flies in the face of the greatest nation on earth, but then, anyone paying attention knows that hasn't been the case in decades for numerous reasons...

So what we have here is a young idiot. “Trump should have called in the national guard” even though Nancy just took that off the table in her last little ‘pass it to find out what’s in it’ covid relief bill. Keep up you little frat suckin’ America hater. I’ll say it again, if America is so bad get the hell out to your utopia. Should be a wonderful transition for you.

I'm nearly 40 friend, and I'll stay in the country of my birth and fight for the causes I believe in, but thanks for calling me young.

HAHAHA! Nearly 40 IS young. Your balls haven't even fully dropped yet, son.

But I get it, when I was nearly 40 I was still clinging to my idealism too. I was blaming everyone older than me for the mess they'd left us to deal with. 25 years later I understand that it was just more "same as it ever was".

The only real difference is that back then we still loved our constitutional republic, we still saw ourselves as that shining light on the hill. These days you idiots are reveling in the fundamental transformation we are experiencing. That transformation bodes ill for you and for me. But you loons are happy to continue the slide into the anarchy and chaos that your radical agendas will surely bring about as you abandon and overthrow such archaic notions as independence, freedom and personal liberty.

Your attempts at condescension are understandable, people say things like you get more conservative as you age and yet I only move further left. I've moved well left of where I was when I was at my "liberal indoctrination center" during undergrad.

The platforms being sought by the likes of Bernie, AOC etc are popular and successful throughout the rest of the developed world, Joe Biden would be moderate right in most other developed countries.

Clutch those pearls tighter...
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(01-08-2021 10:56 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Laugh all you want, doesn't make it less true. Sex =/= gender, gender is a social construct and is indeed a spectrum.

Die mad about it.

All the prog filth constantly saying "follow the science", until you don't want to acknowledge the science. XX and XY, deal with it.

Again, that's sex, not gender.

Chromosomes have **** all to do with gender.
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(01-08-2021 10:58 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 10:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Define communism.

(I come from the United States, Georgia to be more specific)

Lots of commies in Georgia

Right, so you can't define it, got it.

But if there's "lots of 'commies'(03-lmfao) in Georgia" why ask where we come from?
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(01-08-2021 12:26 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 12:08 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Universal healthcare is such a wild outrageous concept that only every developed nation apart from the United States has figured it out, many for decades, in many cases(and specifically the countries Senator Sanders models after) the citizens of those countries see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do here. The man that brought socialized healthcare to Canada was voted "The Greatest Canadian".

Those would be the same nations who's citizens regularly come here for medical care because they either cant get care at all--or cant get it in a timely fashion in Utopia? Sounds super swell. Can we be honest? Heathcare---like every other resource---is finite. Every nation rations it. Id rather virtually anyone but an uncaring dont-give-a-crap-cuz-I-cant-be-fired government bureaucrat be in charge of heathcare. When my life is on the line, the last person I want to have to count on is a government official.

Medical tourism exists in every country, the United States included.

This is just an exaggerated talking point, sure wealthy people that can afford to jump to the front of the line by paying thousands, hundreds of thousands in some cases, in airfare and the outrageous cost of the American Healthcare system do travel here.

Half of all Americans report delaying treatment because they can't afford the out of pocket cost, Americans are dying rationing life saving medicine. We already have wait times baked in.

Government Healthcare is nothing more than the VA. The VA was a failure until the recently when the president allowed veterans to jump to the private system when the VA could not attend to them in a timely or effective manner. The idea that long waiting lines and rationed care is a "talking point" is preposterous. Long waits are a death sentence for many conditions (cancer for instance) are a reality of socialized medicine. Any google search will prove that as fact. A wait of weeks or months can be deadly and they are the rule rather than the exception in the overworked and underfunded socialized medicine programs around the world.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli.../98693856/

https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practic...a-bad-idea

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/world...virus.html
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(01-08-2021 11:01 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 10:59 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 10:56 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Laugh all you want, doesn't make it less true. Sex =/= gender, gender is a social construct and is indeed a spectrum.

Die mad about it.

All the prog filth constantly saying "follow the science", until you don't want to acknowledge the science. XX and XY, deal with it.

Again, that's sex, not gender.

Chromosomes have **** all to do with gender.

lol...thats like saying pedophiles are just children caught in adult bodies.

There are two genders. Everything else is just a mental condition. To state it differently is not science--its the flat out rejection of science. Its physco-babble--its pseudo science from the same type of "scientists" who brought us other crap "sciences" like eugenics.
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(01-08-2021 11:01 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 10:59 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 10:56 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Laugh all you want, doesn't make it less true. Sex =/= gender, gender is a social construct and is indeed a spectrum.

Die mad about it.

All the prog filth constantly saying "follow the science", until you don't want to acknowledge the science. XX and XY, deal with it.

Again, that's sex, not gender.

Chromosomes have **** all to do with gender.

lol...thats like saying pedophiles are just children caught in adult bodies.

There are two genders. Everything else is just a mental condition. To state it differently is not science. Its physco-babble--its pseudo science form the same type of "scientists" who brought us other crap "sciences" like eugenics.

It's nothing like that and the scientific community is in agreement with regards to sex vs gender. They aren't the same thing, sex is indeed biological, gender is not.
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(01-08-2021 11:01 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 10:59 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 10:56 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Laugh all you want, doesn't make it less true. Sex =/= gender, gender is a social construct and is indeed a spectrum.

Die mad about it.

All the prog filth constantly saying "follow the science", until you don't want to acknowledge the science. XX and XY, deal with it.

Again, that's sex, not gender.

Chromosomes have **** all to do with gender.

lol...thats like saying pedophiles are just children caught in adult bodies.

There are two genders. Everything else is just a mental condition. To state it differently is not science--its the flat out rejection of science. Its physco-babble--its pseudo science from the same type of "scientists" who brought us other crap "sciences" like eugenics.

Our world is doomed. It's become full of unhinged idiots.
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Let’s see

More government intervention, meaning higher tax and less freedom
More welfare for the poorest and the URM
Higher minimum wage and less business friendly policies meaning less jobs
More accomdation for foreign countries
War on law and order
Less religious liberty (particularly against Christianity)
Rewritten history
Intolerance against non PC
LGBT first
America last
Globalism
Open border
Discrimination against straight people
Discrimination against white males
Arbotion on demand

Maybe I should go back to Asia...lol

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