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(01-07-2021 07:40 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Universal healthcare is such a wild outrageous concept that only every developed nation apart from the United States has figured it out, many for decades, in many cases(and specifically the countries Senator Sanders models after) the citizens of those countries see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do here. The man that brought socialized healthcare to Canada was voted "The Greatest Canadian".

The government can't protect the Senate from a 100 unarmed citizens and you want them in charge of our Healthcare. You obviously aren't a veteran and have gotten your taste of government run Healthcare. You need a translator because none of the docs are American. The government is not competent at running anything and some people want them in charge of everything.

Your first point is a complete misrepresentation of what happened, the group which was exponentially larger than 100 citizens, would have met appropriate resistance if POTUS gave a ****, rather than fomenting insuresction and punting on calling in NG. We had plenty of intel(see: watching social media) to predict this happening and we're woefully underprepared by complicit leadership.

And I'm terribly sorry that your doctors aren't American, what a nightmare for a xenophobic such as yourself.
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(01-07-2021 07:41 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Universal healthcare is such a wild outrageous concept that only every developed nation apart from the United States has figured it out, many for decades, in many cases(and specifically the countries Senator Sanders models after) the citizens of those countries see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do here. The man that brought socialized healthcare to Canada was voted "The Greatest Canadian".

Works great until you need a hip replacement or heart surgery. You know, the real reason we need health insurance.

I'm sure cuck Treudaeu can knock your pap smear out real quick though.

You might want to check out what the death rate is for the common flu in countries with universal healthcare.

Half of all Americans report delaying treatment due to an inability to pay.

The United States ranks 27th globally in influenza mortality rate.

07-coffee3

Have you ever paid any attention to these utopian dwellers teeth. Even well off English citizens have horrible dental care.

Ah yes, appealing to stereotypes, solid.
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(01-07-2021 07:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:35 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Universal healthcare is such a wild outrageous concept that only every developed nation apart from the United States has figured it out, many for decades, in many cases(and specifically the countries Senator Sanders models after) the citizens of those countries see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do here. The man that brought socialized healthcare to Canada was voted "The Greatest Canadian".

Then you move there.




Ah yes, the most unamerican of utterances. I suppose abolitionists should have just left for countries that outlawed slavery before we did, or suffragists and civil rights activists should have just packed up for countries that provided equal rights...

You big big patriot you.

Listen frat boy, you are to young and naive to struggle along in this conversation. Most of the world comes here for healthcare. Canadians do it in droves leaving behind their wonderful free healthcare. Anyone else who can get here or other advanced healthcare countries that allow you to pay your bill will quickly leave utopia when the rubber hits the road.
I imagine your ranking was done by some organization such as WHO. I don’t pay any attention to rankings putting Cuba ahead of the US in any meaningful category other than number of ‘57 Chevys.
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(01-07-2021 07:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:24 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Universal healthcare is such a wild outrageous concept that only every developed nation apart from the United States has figured it out, many for decades, in many cases(and specifically the countries Senator Sanders models after) the citizens of those countries see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do here. The man that brought socialized healthcare to Canada was voted "The Greatest Canadian".

I worked for a Canadian Automotive firm for a short time as a consultant. They offered full paid family insurance for all their employees. When I asked their President why the unnecessary expenditure he said because No one else in the industry did it and besides I use the US insurance. He lived in Windsor and had an office in Dearborn. Didn’t speak highly of a Canadian system that makes you wait months to see a doctor.

He’s not the only Canadian I’ve worked with that comes across the border for healthcare.

We have wait times baked into the system here based on the cost of our inhumane profits over people outrageously overpriced privatized healthcare system. Your anecdotal experience is noted, Canadians and Brits rate their systems more favorably than we rate ours.

Medical tourism exists in every country, there is a Utah based health insurer that will literally pay you to travel to Mexico for particular prescriptions because it is more cost effective for them than paying the US cost.

My problem is since Obamacare you can’t get into to see your PC because people run to the doctor for everything. They see something on TV or read an article on WebMD and their sure they have it. So they run to they doctor.

My ex wife has worked in the medical field for decades. She has patients in her PC office that call and schedule an appointment every week just so they have someone to talk to. They’re lonely so they go to the doctor to talk to someone that seems sympathetic.

Here in Kentucky the former Governor wanted to put a small copay on PC visits ($5 or less if I remember correctly) to help offset medical costs in the state and force those that use the system the most to have some stake in it. You would have thought he was going to shutdown medical care the way his opponents reacted.

The idea of social medicine, like many liberal ideas, is great until it’s put into practice. They don’t take into the account those people that always want more than their fair share.

And yet, every other developed nation provides some level of socialized medicine to its citizenry and again, in many countries they see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do.

I suppose the United States is just uniquely unable to follow the rest of the developed world, sort of flies in the face of the greatest nation on earth, but then, anyone paying attention knows that hasn't been the case in decades for numerous reasons...
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(01-07-2021 07:51 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:35 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Universal healthcare is such a wild outrageous concept that only every developed nation apart from the United States has figured it out, many for decades, in many cases(and specifically the countries Senator Sanders models after) the citizens of those countries see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do here. The man that brought socialized healthcare to Canada was voted "The Greatest Canadian".

Then you move there.




Ah yes, the most unamerican of utterances. I suppose abolitionists should have just left for countries that outlawed slavery before we did, or suffragists and civil rights activists should have just packed up for countries that provided equal rights...

You big big patriot you.

Listen frat boy, you are to young and naive to struggle along in this conversation. Most of the world comes here for healthcare. Canadians do it in droves leaving behind their wonderful free healthcare. Anyone else who can get here or other advanced healthcare countries that allow you to pay your bill will quickly leave utopia when the rubber hits the road.
I imagine your ranking was done by some organization such as WHO. I don’t pay any attention to rankings putting Cuba ahead of the US in any meaningful category other than number of ‘57 Chevys.

Your ad hominem attack is as accurate as it is effective. I'm not a "frat boy" because of the handle I picked on a sports message board nearly a decade and a half ago.

You are a perfect example of the post fact society we live in and rather than attempting to make a real argument, you attempt to diminish me as a person instead because it's far easier for you than engaging in an adult conversation, which is particularly funny due to your woeful attempt and misdirected condescension.
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(01-07-2021 07:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:24 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Universal healthcare is such a wild outrageous concept that only every developed nation apart from the United States has figured it out, many for decades, in many cases(and specifically the countries Senator Sanders models after) the citizens of those countries see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do here. The man that brought socialized healthcare to Canada was voted "The Greatest Canadian".

I worked for a Canadian Automotive firm for a short time as a consultant. They offered full paid family insurance for all their employees. When I asked their President why the unnecessary expenditure he said because No one else in the industry did it and besides I use the US insurance. He lived in Windsor and had an office in Dearborn. Didn’t speak highly of a Canadian system that makes you wait months to see a doctor.

He’s not the only Canadian I’ve worked with that comes across the border for healthcare.

We have wait times baked into the system here based on the cost of our inhumane profits over people outrageously overpriced privatized healthcare system. Your anecdotal experience is noted, Canadians and Brits rate their systems more favorably than we rate ours.

Medical tourism exists in every country, there is a Utah based health insurer that will literally pay you to travel to Mexico for particular prescriptions because it is more cost effective for them than paying the US cost.

My problem is since Obamacare you can’t get into to see your PC because people run to the doctor for everything. They see something on TV or read an article on WebMD and their sure they have it. So they run to they doctor.

My ex wife has worked in the medical field for decades. She has patients in her PC office that call and schedule an appointment every week just so they have someone to talk to. They’re lonely so they go to the doctor to talk to someone that seems sympathetic.

Here in Kentucky the former Governor wanted to put a small copay on PC visits ($5 or less if I remember correctly) to help offset medical costs in the state and force those that use the system the most to have some stake in it. You would have thought he was going to shutdown medical care the way his opponents reacted.

The idea of social medicine, like many liberal ideas, is great until it’s put into practice. They don’t take into the account those people that always want more than their fair share.

And yet, every other developed nation provides some level of socialized medicine to its citizenry and again, in many countries they see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do.

I suppose the United States is just uniquely unable to follow the rest of the developed world, sort of flies in the face of the greatest nation on earth, but then, anyone paying attention knows that hasn't been the case in decades for numerous reasons...

So what we have here is a young idiot. “Trump should have called in the national guard” even though Nancy just took that off the table in her last little ‘pass it to find out what’s in it’ covid relief bill. Keep up you little frat suckin’ America hater. I’ll say it again, if America is so bad get the hell out to your utopia. Should be a wonderful transition for you.
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(01-07-2021 07:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Universal healthcare is such a wild outrageous concept that only every developed nation apart from the United States has figured it out, many for decades, in many cases(and specifically the countries Senator Sanders models after) the citizens of those countries see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do here. The man that brought socialized healthcare to Canada was voted "The Greatest Canadian".

But universal health care does not need to be single-payer (like Canada) or single-provider (like UK). There are other approaches that work far better.
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(01-07-2021 07:30 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:26 PM)maximus Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Universal healthcare is such a wild outrageous concept that only every developed nation apart from the United States has figured it out, many for decades, in many cases(and specifically the countries Senator Sanders models after) the citizens of those countries see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do here. The man that brought socialized healthcare to Canada was voted "The Greatest Canadian".
Figured it out

Oh lord.... you dont even know what you stepped in.

Add on top of that, you are comparing apples and watermelons.

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I assure you I know exactly what I'm talking about, but your solid and thought provoking rebuttal is noted.

04-cheers

You wouldnt last working a full day at one of these profit driven health care organizations you are spewing about.

Funny story, good nurse practitioner friend of mine who is an avowed leftist... great person and friend...picked up and moved to England with her husband to practice in what she thought was the best healthcare system in the world. She quickly found out it was an unorganized bureaucratic mess. She was there 4 years and was never able to get her license to even practice..... in a health system who is woefully short on practitioners.

Look, I know you dont know what youre talking about. I know that because you are pushing the idea.

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(01-07-2021 08:00 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:24 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I worked for a Canadian Automotive firm for a short time as a consultant. They offered full paid family insurance for all their employees. When I asked their President why the unnecessary expenditure he said because No one else in the industry did it and besides I use the US insurance. He lived in Windsor and had an office in Dearborn. Didn’t speak highly of a Canadian system that makes you wait months to see a doctor.

He’s not the only Canadian I’ve worked with that comes across the border for healthcare.

We have wait times baked into the system here based on the cost of our inhumane profits over people outrageously overpriced privatized healthcare system. Your anecdotal experience is noted, Canadians and Brits rate their systems more favorably than we rate ours.

Medical tourism exists in every country, there is a Utah based health insurer that will literally pay you to travel to Mexico for particular prescriptions because it is more cost effective for them than paying the US cost.

My problem is since Obamacare you can’t get into to see your PC because people run to the doctor for everything. They see something on TV or read an article on WebMD and their sure they have it. So they run to they doctor.

My ex wife has worked in the medical field for decades. She has patients in her PC office that call and schedule an appointment every week just so they have someone to talk to. They’re lonely so they go to the doctor to talk to someone that seems sympathetic.

Here in Kentucky the former Governor wanted to put a small copay on PC visits ($5 or less if I remember correctly) to help offset medical costs in the state and force those that use the system the most to have some stake in it. You would have thought he was going to shutdown medical care the way his opponents reacted.

The idea of social medicine, like many liberal ideas, is great until it’s put into practice. They don’t take into the account those people that always want more than their fair share.

And yet, every other developed nation provides some level of socialized medicine to its citizenry and again, in many countries they see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do.

I suppose the United States is just uniquely unable to follow the rest of the developed world, sort of flies in the face of the greatest nation on earth, but then, anyone paying attention knows that hasn't been the case in decades for numerous reasons...

So what we have here is a young idiot. “Trump should have called in the national guard” even though Nancy just took that off the table in her last little ‘pass it to find out what’s in it’ covid relief bill. Keep up you little frat suckin’ America hater. I’ll say it again, if America is so bad get the hell out to your utopia. Should be a wonderful transition for you.

I'm nearly 40 friend, and I'll stay in the country of my birth and fight for the causes I believe in, but thanks for calling me young.
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(01-07-2021 08:04 PM)maximus Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:30 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:26 PM)maximus Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Universal healthcare is such a wild outrageous concept that only every developed nation apart from the United States has figured it out, many for decades, in many cases(and specifically the countries Senator Sanders models after) the citizens of those countries see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do here. The man that brought socialized healthcare to Canada was voted "The Greatest Canadian".
Figured it out

Oh lord.... you dont even know what you stepped in.

Add on top of that, you are comparing apples and watermelons.

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I assure you I know exactly what I'm talking about, but your solid and thought provoking rebuttal is noted.

04-cheers

You wouldnt last working a full day at one of these profit driven health care organizations you are spewing about.

Funny story, good nurse practitioner friend of mine who is an avowed leftist... great person and friend...picked up and moved to England with her husband to practice in what she thought was the best healthcare system in the world. She quickly found out it was an unorganized bureaucratic mess. She was there 4 years and was never able to get her license to even practice..... in a health system who is woefully short on practitioners.

Look, I know you dont know what youre talking about. I know that because you are pushing the idea.

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Your anecdotal experience is noted, Brits rate their healthcare system more favorably than we rate our own.

I don't know a soul that likes their private insurance.
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Too bad you don't know me, I like my healthcare. Fact of the matter my doctor sends me to get tests done that I don't even want to take. Another fact of the matter is that probably for every tests I take she probably gets a cut. It's like when they sell you a gadget and ask you if you want a warranty for that and if you agree the salesperson gets a bonus, it's the same thing. I trust doctors just as much as I trust lawyers, politicians and car salespeople. The only right thing Ilhan ever said was, "it's all about the Benjamins" and she practices that pretty well in her political career.

"It's all about the Benjamins"...in this world. No doctor is going to agree with getting paid with chickens or pigs.
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(01-07-2021 08:06 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:04 PM)maximus Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:30 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:26 PM)maximus Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Universal healthcare is such a wild outrageous concept that only every developed nation apart from the United States has figured it out, many for decades, in many cases(and specifically the countries Senator Sanders models after) the citizens of those countries see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do here. The man that brought socialized healthcare to Canada was voted "The Greatest Canadian".
Figured it out

Oh lord.... you dont even know what you stepped in.

Add on top of that, you are comparing apples and watermelons.

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I assure you I know exactly what I'm talking about, but your solid and thought provoking rebuttal is noted.

04-cheers

You wouldnt last working a full day at one of these profit driven health care organizations you are spewing about.

Funny story, good nurse practitioner friend of mine who is an avowed leftist... great person and friend...picked up and moved to England with her husband to practice in what she thought was the best healthcare system in the world. She quickly found out it was an unorganized bureaucratic mess. She was there 4 years and was never able to get her license to even practice..... in a health system who is woefully short on practitioners.

Look, I know you dont know what youre talking about. I know that because you are pushing the idea.

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Your anecdotal experience is noted, Brits rate their healthcare system more favorably than we rate our own.

I don't know a soul that likes their private insurance.
Give them socialized medicine for a day and get back with me. Hell, go break your leg in England and see how it goes. Just hope the break doesnt need to be surgically repaired.

Most Americans expect a hospital stay to be like a Sandals resort stay... thats a fact. Let folks start burying their parents because they cannot get care; or people have to live in pain because that elective surgery they needed 5 years ago still hasnt happened because it was rationed down the road.

Man, you have no freakin clue.


I was laughing at my dope brother who has turned into a raving leftist lunatic. He is pissed at how the COVID vaccine has been rolled out in Memphis. At the same time he wants the same people to take over health care? They cannot even provide the simplest form of health care... an injection in the arm a monkey can do.

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Btw... start a health care thread and hop on out unless you have anything to add to what is being produced by whacko leftists



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(01-07-2021 08:15 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Too bad you don't know me, I like my healthcare. Fact of the matter my doctor sends me to get tests done that I don't even want to take. Another fact of the matter is that probably for every tests I take she probably gets a cut. It's like when they sell you a gadget and ask you if you want a warranty for that and if you agree the salesperson gets a bonus, it's the same thing. I trust doctors just as much as I trust lawyers, politicians and car salespeople. The only right thing Ilhan ever said was, "it's all about the Benjamins" and she practices that pretty well in her political career.

"It's all about the Benjamins"...in this world. No doctor is going to agree with getting paid with chickens or pigs.

Ah yes, because the doctors in the rest of the developed nations of the world are paid with chickens and pigs. Solid arguments strawman.
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(01-07-2021 08:18 PM)maximus Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:06 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:04 PM)maximus Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:30 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:26 PM)maximus Wrote:  Figured it out

Oh lord.... you dont even know what you stepped in.

Add on top of that, you are comparing apples and watermelons.

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I assure you I know exactly what I'm talking about, but your solid and thought provoking rebuttal is noted.

04-cheers

You wouldnt last working a full day at one of these profit driven health care organizations you are spewing about.

Funny story, good nurse practitioner friend of mine who is an avowed leftist... great person and friend...picked up and moved to England with her husband to practice in what she thought was the best healthcare system in the world. She quickly found out it was an unorganized bureaucratic mess. She was there 4 years and was never able to get her license to even practice..... in a health system who is woefully short on practitioners.

Look, I know you dont know what youre talking about. I know that because you are pushing the idea.

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

Your anecdotal experience is noted, Brits rate their healthcare system more favorably than we rate our own.

I don't know a soul that likes their private insurance.
Give them socialized medicine for a day and get back with me. Hell, go break your leg in England and see how it goes. Just hope the break doesnt need to be surgically repaired.

Most Americans expect a hospital stay to be like a Sandals resort stay... thats a fact. Let folks start burying their parents because they cannot get care; or people have to live in pain because that elective surgery they needed 5 years ago still hasnt happened because it was rationed down the road.

Man, you have no freakin clue.


I was laughing at my dope brother who has turned into a raving leftist lunatic. He is pissed at how the COVID vaccine has been rolled out in Memphis. At the same time he wants the same people to take over health care? They cannot even provide the simplest form of health care... an injection in the arm a monkey can do.

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The vaccine roll out is a failing of the outgoing laughing stock of an administration, I certainly wouldn't want the outgoing administration to have anything to do with healthcare, so points to you?
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(01-07-2021 08:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:00 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  We have wait times baked into the system here based on the cost of our inhumane profits over people outrageously overpriced privatized healthcare system. Your anecdotal experience is noted, Canadians and Brits rate their systems more favorably than we rate ours.

Medical tourism exists in every country, there is a Utah based health insurer that will literally pay you to travel to Mexico for particular prescriptions because it is more cost effective for them than paying the US cost.

My problem is since Obamacare you can’t get into to see your PC because people run to the doctor for everything. They see something on TV or read an article on WebMD and their sure they have it. So they run to they doctor.

My ex wife has worked in the medical field for decades. She has patients in her PC office that call and schedule an appointment every week just so they have someone to talk to. They’re lonely so they go to the doctor to talk to someone that seems sympathetic.

Here in Kentucky the former Governor wanted to put a small copay on PC visits ($5 or less if I remember correctly) to help offset medical costs in the state and force those that use the system the most to have some stake in it. You would have thought he was going to shutdown medical care the way his opponents reacted.

The idea of social medicine, like many liberal ideas, is great until it’s put into practice. They don’t take into the account those people that always want more than their fair share.

And yet, every other developed nation provides some level of socialized medicine to its citizenry and again, in many countries they see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do.

I suppose the United States is just uniquely unable to follow the rest of the developed world, sort of flies in the face of the greatest nation on earth, but then, anyone paying attention knows that hasn't been the case in decades for numerous reasons...

So what we have here is a young idiot. “Trump should have called in the national guard” even though Nancy just took that off the table in her last little ‘pass it to find out what’s in it’ covid relief bill. Keep up you little frat suckin’ America hater. I’ll say it again, if America is so bad get the hell out to your utopia. Should be a wonderful transition for you.

I'm nearly 40 friend, and I'll stay in the country of my birth and fight for the causes I believe in, but thanks for calling me young.

Act your age. And get another name. Sounds like a kid. Fight all you want. You will have adversaries.
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(01-07-2021 08:06 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:04 PM)maximus Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:30 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:26 PM)maximus Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Universal healthcare is such a wild outrageous concept that only every developed nation apart from the United States has figured it out, many for decades, in many cases(and specifically the countries Senator Sanders models after) the citizens of those countries see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do here. The man that brought socialized healthcare to Canada was voted "The Greatest Canadian".
Figured it out

Oh lord.... you dont even know what you stepped in.

Add on top of that, you are comparing apples and watermelons.

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I assure you I know exactly what I'm talking about, but your solid and thought provoking rebuttal is noted.

04-cheers

You wouldnt last working a full day at one of these profit driven health care organizations you are spewing about.

Funny story, good nurse practitioner friend of mine who is an avowed leftist... great person and friend...picked up and moved to England with her husband to practice in what she thought was the best healthcare system in the world. She quickly found out it was an unorganized bureaucratic mess. She was there 4 years and was never able to get her license to even practice..... in a health system who is woefully short on practitioners.

Look, I know you dont know what youre talking about. I know that because you are pushing the idea.

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Your anecdotal experience is noted, Brits rate their healthcare system more favorably than we rate our own.

I don't know a soul that likes their private insurance.

Loved mine before Barry and the democrats destroyed it.
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RE: Leftist Utopia Thread
(01-07-2021 08:28 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:18 PM)maximus Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:06 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:04 PM)maximus Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:30 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I assure you I know exactly what I'm talking about, but your solid and thought provoking rebuttal is noted.

04-cheers

You wouldnt last working a full day at one of these profit driven health care organizations you are spewing about.

Funny story, good nurse practitioner friend of mine who is an avowed leftist... great person and friend...picked up and moved to England with her husband to practice in what she thought was the best healthcare system in the world. She quickly found out it was an unorganized bureaucratic mess. She was there 4 years and was never able to get her license to even practice..... in a health system who is woefully short on practitioners.

Look, I know you dont know what youre talking about. I know that because you are pushing the idea.

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Your anecdotal experience is noted, Brits rate their healthcare system more favorably than we rate our own.

I don't know a soul that likes their private insurance.
Give them socialized medicine for a day and get back with me. Hell, go break your leg in England and see how it goes. Just hope the break doesnt need to be surgically repaired.

Most Americans expect a hospital stay to be like a Sandals resort stay... thats a fact. Let folks start burying their parents because they cannot get care; or people have to live in pain because that elective surgery they needed 5 years ago still hasnt happened because it was rationed down the road.

Man, you have no freakin clue.


I was laughing at my dope brother who has turned into a raving leftist lunatic. He is pissed at how the COVID vaccine has been rolled out in Memphis. At the same time he wants the same people to take over health care? They cannot even provide the simplest form of health care... an injection in the arm a monkey can do.

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The vaccine roll out is a failing of the outgoing laughing stock of an administration, I certainly wouldn't want the outgoing administration to have anything to do with healthcare, so points to you?

Local governments and agencies, who would be arms of a socialized system, are failing.

The same administration who leftists said could never get a vaccine through approval by the end of the year, same leftists who said they would have to think twice about taking the vaccine if it was out before the election....

Move along


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RE: Leftist Utopia Thread
(01-07-2021 08:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:00 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  My problem is since Obamacare you can’t get into to see your PC because people run to the doctor for everything. They see something on TV or read an article on WebMD and their sure they have it. So they run to they doctor.

My ex wife has worked in the medical field for decades. She has patients in her PC office that call and schedule an appointment every week just so they have someone to talk to. They’re lonely so they go to the doctor to talk to someone that seems sympathetic.

Here in Kentucky the former Governor wanted to put a small copay on PC visits ($5 or less if I remember correctly) to help offset medical costs in the state and force those that use the system the most to have some stake in it. You would have thought he was going to shutdown medical care the way his opponents reacted.

The idea of social medicine, like many liberal ideas, is great until it’s put into practice. They don’t take into the account those people that always want more than their fair share.

And yet, every other developed nation provides some level of socialized medicine to its citizenry and again, in many countries they see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do.

I suppose the United States is just uniquely unable to follow the rest of the developed world, sort of flies in the face of the greatest nation on earth, but then, anyone paying attention knows that hasn't been the case in decades for numerous reasons...

So what we have here is a young idiot. “Trump should have called in the national guard” even though Nancy just took that off the table in her last little ‘pass it to find out what’s in it’ covid relief bill. Keep up you little frat suckin’ America hater. I’ll say it again, if America is so bad get the hell out to your utopia. Should be a wonderful transition for you.

I'm nearly 40 friend, and I'll stay in the country of my birth and fight for the causes I believe in, but thanks for calling me young.

Act your age. And get another name. Sounds like a kid. Fight all you want. You will have adversaries.

"Act your age" says the guy casting insults on a message board. I have no need for another name, I signed up with the handle when I was 23 after using it for a few years on another board. If you seek to infer things from a simple message board handle and use them as ammunition in a disagreement you're already taking a step in the wrong direction friend.

Fight for the privatized bull**** system all you want, we will join the rest of the developed nations in making access to healthcare a right and not a privilege based upon income and/or the quality of your employer. I'm sorry that you do not believe our country is strong enough to lead the world in something every other developed nation is and has been doing for years. I do.
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RE: Leftist Utopia Thread
(01-07-2021 08:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 08:00 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-07-2021 07:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  And yet, every other developed nation provides some level of socialized medicine to its citizenry and again, in many countries they see their doctors more frequently and rate their system more favorably than we do.

I suppose the United States is just uniquely unable to follow the rest of the developed world, sort of flies in the face of the greatest nation on earth, but then, anyone paying attention knows that hasn't been the case in decades for numerous reasons...

So what we have here is a young idiot. “Trump should have called in the national guard” even though Nancy just took that off the table in her last little ‘pass it to find out what’s in it’ covid relief bill. Keep up you little frat suckin’ America hater. I’ll say it again, if America is so bad get the hell out to your utopia. Should be a wonderful transition for you.

I'm nearly 40 friend, and I'll stay in the country of my birth and fight for the causes I believe in, but thanks for calling me young.

Act your age. And get another name. Sounds like a kid. Fight all you want. You will have adversaries.

"Act your age" says the guy casting insults on a message board. I have no need for another name, I signed up with the handle when I was 23 after using it for a few years on another board. If you seek to infer things from a simple message board handle and use them as ammunition in a disagreement you're already taking a step in the wrong direction friend.

Fight for the privatized bull**** system all you want, we will join the rest of the developed nations in making access to healthcare a right and not a privilege based upon income and/or the quality of your employer. I'm sorry that you do not believe our country is strong enough to lead the world in something every other developed nation is and has been doing for years. I do.

Ive been in healthcare almost 25 years.

I dont know of a single patient turned away because of income or any other reason.

Just stop, put down the pipe.

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