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And the reason progressives hate Donald Trump so much is he never admits he's wrong, even when he is... which is their basic M.O. Which is why none of you progressives are emotionally capable of criticizing any of "your guys" unless they aren't committed to the cause enough, like dusty old Joe.

So again, to bring us back to the start of the thread, I'm just not going to feel bad about the president feeling personally affronted by the voters, and no he wasn't asking Georgia's SOS to invent votes.

One of you, please prove me wrong, it would make me feel good. Criticize one of your own guys, and explaining away abolishing the police as inartful marketings ain't it.

Here's a helpful example. Years of claims that Russia stole the 2016 election and Trump is a secret Soviet agent, illegal use of US intelligence assets to "prove" it in a manner far worse than Watergate, an impeachment hearing, and absolutely zero Democratic leaders willing to disagree with this patently ridiculous narrative (unlike the election results), and a glimpse of introspection can be found courtesy of Fareed Zakeria: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini...-on-russia

I'm not asking anyone here to praise anything Trump did, just be willing to criticize your own side. You want Trump voters to trash him, show us just once you can trash your own. Just once.

Trump has run for president twice and lost the popular vote both times, including to perhaps the most polarizing figure of our times (Hillary Clinton).

Both times on the campaign trail he claimed before Election Day it was "rigged" and would be "fraudulent."

Beyond that - what has he done in last four years as president that recommends he should have been re-elected, including presiding over worst health crisis in our nation's history?

(01-05-2021 03:15 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Trump has run for president twice and lost the popular vote both times, including to perhaps the most polarizing figure of our times (Hillary Clinton).

Both times on the campaign trail he claimed before Election Day it was "rigged" and would be "fraudulent."

Beyond that - what has he done in last four years as president that recommends he should have been re-elected, including presiding over worst health crisis in our nation's history?

I don't care about that anymore in context of this discussion. If you want to stop Trumps from ever happening again, I want to see something that indicates that reciprocity in political arguments—specifically media narratives—is possible. If not, you will create 80 million more Trumps, just as you have so far.

None of you are showing even an iota of understanding you are creating opponents who talk and believe just like you, because it's the only viable political competitive option.

If you want to understand why people think votes can be rigged, look what he Democrats did to Bernie Sanders on their own, with total control of the process. So when you are asking Trump supporters to suddenly believe these exact same people in the context of secretaries of state or nearly 100% Democrat urban areas are totally fair... what should you rationally expect? Especially when their allies in the press talk of them as a bunch of violent nutjobs ready to storm the Capitol days after reporting on left-wing groups responsible for shooting or burning people alive in their stores. There is zero incentive.

Here's a great read if you are not understanding my point.

If you treat Romney as the devil and Trump as the devil, right wing people will always choose to be Trump, and will not listen to you lecture them about being more like Romney.

https://taylorpearson.me/bookreview/tit-for-tat/

How did Trump lose two historically Red States and others that went for him in 2016?

Democrats somehow got Republican state officials to "cheat"?

(01-05-2021 03:30 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  How did Trump lose two historically Red States and others that went for him in 2016?

Democrats somehow got Republican state officials to "cheat"?

Sweet baby Jamarko Simmons, what is this even a response to in this thread?

(01-05-2021 03:03 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  And the reason progressives hate Donald Trump so much is he never admits he's wrong, even when he is... which is their basic M.O. Which is why none of you progressives are emotionally capable of criticizing any of "your guys" unless they aren't committed to the cause enough, like dusty old Joe.

So again, to bring us back to the start of the thread, I'm just not going to feel bad about the president feeling personally affronted by the voters, and no he wasn't asking Georgia's SOS to invent votes.

One of you, please prove me wrong, it would make me feel good. Criticize one of your own guys, and explaining away abolishing the police as inartful marketings ain't it.

Clinton was wrong for for getting a BJ in the WH & lying about it.

Clinton was wrong to support some of the drug policies that led to mass incarceration.

Any Democrat who supported the war in Iraq, which includes Hillary & Biden, was wrong.

Obama should have told us Russia was meddling in our election. He waited until after the election. That was a mistake.

Many Democrats have made many mistakes while in public office.

I do not support abolishing the police.

Trump is worse than all of them & every other Republican.

BTW...this sure is a lot of identity politics and assumptions being made about strangers on a message board just because we dislike everything Donald Trump stands for. I dislike him because he was a liar & cheat his entire life and continued to be a liar & cheat as POTUS.

(01-05-2021 03:50 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 03:03 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  And the reason progressives hate Donald Trump so much is he never admits he's wrong, even when he is... which is their basic M.O. Which is why none of you progressives are emotionally capable of criticizing any of "your guys" unless they aren't committed to the cause enough, like dusty old Joe.

So again, to bring us back to the start of the thread, I'm just not going to feel bad about the president feeling personally affronted by the voters, and no he wasn't asking Georgia's SOS to invent votes.

One of you, please prove me wrong, it would make me feel good. Criticize one of your own guys, and explaining away abolishing the police as inartful marketings ain't it.

Clinton was wrong for for getting a BJ in the WH & lying about it.
Clinton was wrong to support some of the drug policies that led to mass incarceration.
Any Democrat who supported the war in Iraq, which includes Hillary & Biden, was wrong.
Many Democrats have made many mistakes while in public office.
I do not support abolishing the police.

Trump is worse than all of them & every other Republican.

BTW...this sure is a lot of identity politics and assumptions being made about strangers on a message board just because we dislike everything Donald Trump stands for. I dislike him because he was a liar & cheat his entire life and confined to be a liar & cheat as POTUS.

Notice NOTHING is said here about Biden. The best Biden argument is anti trump. Trump trump trump

(01-05-2021 03:50 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 03:03 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  And the reason progressives hate Donald Trump so much is he never admits he's wrong, even when he is... which is their basic M.O. Which is why none of you progressives are emotionally capable of criticizing any of "your guys" unless they aren't committed to the cause enough, like dusty old Joe.

So again, to bring us back to the start of the thread, I'm just not going to feel bad about the president feeling personally affronted by the voters, and no he wasn't asking Georgia's SOS to invent votes.

One of you, please prove me wrong, it would make me feel good. Criticize one of your own guys, and explaining away abolishing the police as inartful marketings ain't it.

Clinton was wrong for for getting a BJ in the WH & lying about it.
Clinton was wrong to support some of the drug policies that led to mass incarceration.
Any Democrat who supported the war in Iraq, which includes Hillary & Biden, was wrong.
Many Democrats have made many mistakes while in public office.
I do not support abolishing the police.

Trump is worse than all of them & every other Republican.

BTW...this sure is a lot of identity politics and assumptions being made about strangers on a message board just because we dislike everything Donald Trump stands for. I dislike him because he was a liar & cheat his entire life and confined to be a liar & cheat as POTUS.

Notice NOTHING is said here about Biden. The best Biden argument is anti trump. Trump trump trump both trump. It’s either negative trump or positive trump

(01-05-2021 03:55 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 03:50 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 03:03 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  And the reason progressives hate Donald Trump so much is he never admits he's wrong, even when he is... which is their basic M.O. Which is why none of you progressives are emotionally capable of criticizing any of "your guys" unless they aren't committed to the cause enough, like dusty old Joe.

So again, to bring us back to the start of the thread, I'm just not going to feel bad about the president feeling personally affronted by the voters, and no he wasn't asking Georgia's SOS to invent votes.

One of you, please prove me wrong, it would make me feel good. Criticize one of your own guys, and explaining away abolishing the police as inartful marketings ain't it.

Clinton was wrong for for getting a BJ in the WH & lying about it.
Clinton was wrong to support some of the drug policies that led to mass incarceration.
Any Democrat who supported the war in Iraq, which includes Hillary & Biden, was wrong.
Many Democrats have made many mistakes while in public office.
I do not support abolishing the police.

Trump is worse than all of them & every other Republican.

BTW...this sure is a lot of identity politics and assumptions being made about strangers on a message board just because we dislike everything Donald Trump stands for. I dislike him because he was a liar & cheat his entire life and confined to be a liar & cheat as POTUS.

Notice NOTHING is said here about Biden. The best Biden argument is anti trump. Trump trump trump

I criticized Biden for supporting the war in Iraq. Get your facts straight.

(01-05-2021 03:50 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 03:03 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  And the reason progressives hate Donald Trump so much is he never admits he's wrong, even when he is... which is their basic M.O. Which is why none of you progressives are emotionally capable of criticizing any of "your guys" unless they aren't committed to the cause enough, like dusty old Joe.

So again, to bring us back to the start of the thread, I'm just not going to feel bad about the president feeling personally affronted by the voters, and no he wasn't asking Georgia's SOS to invent votes.

One of you, please prove me wrong, it would make me feel good. Criticize one of your own guys, and explaining away abolishing the police as inartful marketings ain't it.

Clinton was wrong for for getting a BJ in the WH & lying about it.

Clinton was wrong to support some of the drug policies that led to mass incarceration.

Any Democrat who supported the war in Iraq, which includes Hillary & Biden, was wrong.

Obama should have told us Russia was meddling in our election. He waited until after the election. That was a mistake.

Many Democrats have made many mistakes while in public office.

I do not support abolishing the police.

Trump is worse than all of them & every other Republican.

BTW...this sure is a lot of identity politics and assumptions being made about strangers on a message board just because we dislike everything Donald Trump stands for. I dislike him because he was a liar & cheat his entire life and continued to be a liar & cheat as POTUS.

Most of those are still complaints about them not being left-wing enough, but still, +2 for the first and last points. Thank you.

(01-05-2021 03:29 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  Here's a great read if you are not understanding my point.

If you treat Romney as the devil and Trump as the devil, right wing people will always choose to be Trump, and will not listen to you lecture them about being more like Romney.

https://taylorpearson.me/bookreview/tit-for-tat/

Who in any of these threads said Romney was the devil?

Stop making things up.

(01-05-2021 03:57 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 03:55 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 03:50 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 03:03 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  And the reason progressives hate Donald Trump so much is he never admits he's wrong, even when he is... which is their basic M.O. Which is why none of you progressives are emotionally capable of criticizing any of "your guys" unless they aren't committed to the cause enough, like dusty old Joe.

So again, to bring us back to the start of the thread, I'm just not going to feel bad about the president feeling personally affronted by the voters, and no he wasn't asking Georgia's SOS to invent votes.

One of you, please prove me wrong, it would make me feel good. Criticize one of your own guys, and explaining away abolishing the police as inartful marketings ain't it.

Clinton was wrong for for getting a BJ in the WH & lying about it.
Clinton was wrong to support some of the drug policies that led to mass incarceration.
Any Democrat who supported the war in Iraq, which includes Hillary & Biden, was wrong.
Many Democrats have made many mistakes while in public office.
I do not support abolishing the police.

Trump is worse than all of them & every other Republican.

BTW...this sure is a lot of identity politics and assumptions being made about strangers on a message board just because we dislike everything Donald Trump stands for. I dislike him because he was a liar & cheat his entire life and confined to be a liar & cheat as POTUS.

Notice NOTHING is said here about Biden. The best Biden argument is anti trump. Trump trump trump

I criticized Biden for supporting the war in Iraq. Get your facts straight.

Lmfao, if you did , dude, that war was like 12 years ago. Old man Biden in present day or future please when he’s pres. not a 40 year senator,

(01-05-2021 04:00 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 03:57 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 03:55 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 03:50 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 03:03 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  And the reason progressives hate Donald Trump so much is he never admits he's wrong, even when he is... which is their basic M.O. Which is why none of you progressives are emotionally capable of criticizing any of "your guys" unless they aren't committed to the cause enough, like dusty old Joe.

So again, to bring us back to the start of the thread, I'm just not going to feel bad about the president feeling personally affronted by the voters, and no he wasn't asking Georgia's SOS to invent votes.

One of you, please prove me wrong, it would make me feel good. Criticize one of your own guys, and explaining away abolishing the police as inartful marketings ain't it.

Clinton was wrong for for getting a BJ in the WH & lying about it.
Clinton was wrong to support some of the drug policies that led to mass incarceration.
Any Democrat who supported the war in Iraq, which includes Hillary & Biden, was wrong.
Many Democrats have made many mistakes while in public office.
I do not support abolishing the police.

Trump is worse than all of them & every other Republican.

BTW...this sure is a lot of identity politics and assumptions being made about strangers on a message board just because we dislike everything Donald Trump stands for. I dislike him because he was a liar & cheat his entire life and confined to be a liar & cheat as POTUS.

Notice NOTHING is said here about Biden. The best Biden argument is anti trump. Trump trump trump

I criticized Biden for supporting the war in Iraq. Get your facts straight.

Lmfao, if you did , dude, that war was like 12 years ago. Old man Biden in present day or future please when he’s pres. not a 40 year senator,

Sorry, didn’t know the question was to criticize what people do in the future. I’ll get in my time machine and get back to you.

After tomorrow (maybe Thursday morning if Trumplicans insist on objecting to legal Electoral Ballots) -

What would you approve of Trump's next move to retain the presidency - declare martial law-use the military
(as his pardoned felon Flynn suggested)?

(01-05-2021 04:16 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  After tomorrow (maybe Thursday morning if Trumplicans insist on objecting to legal Electoral Ballots) -

What would you approve of Trump's next move to retain the presidency - declare martial law-use the military
(as his pardoned felon Flynn suggested)?

Being sarcastic I say hand it over to the old man Biden and then we can all bit#h and complain about him, lol. All that’s written here is trump trump trump trump or more trump. Or a Biden vote on a war from 12 years ago.

(01-05-2021 04:20 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 04:16 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  After tomorrow (maybe Thursday morning if Trumplicans insist on objecting to legal Electoral Ballots) -

What would you approve of Trump's next move to retain the presidency - declare martial law-use the military
(as his pardoned felon Flynn suggested)?

Being sarcastic I say hand it over to the old man Biden and then we can all bit#h and complain about him, lol. All that’s written here is trump trump trump trump or more trump. Or a Biden vote on a war from 12 years ago.

Good summary. We’re criticizing the current President. That’s how it works. Biden will get his fair share of criticism when he takes office as every President does. I predict the criticism won’t rise to the same level as the most morally bankrupt President in our nation’s history: Donald Trump

(01-05-2021 03:59 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 03:29 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  Here's a great read if you are not understanding my point.

If you treat Romney as the devil and Trump as the devil, right wing people will always choose to be Trump, and will not listen to you lecture them about being more like Romney.

https://taylorpearson.me/bookreview/tit-for-tat/

Who in any of these threads said Romney was the devil?

Stop making things up.

Did you need read the thread? Major says Trump bad because he wants fake votes. I said he wasn't asking for fake votes. Everyone precedes to rant about Trump supporters believing anything he says; they want them to criticize him.

My point about both Trump supporters and Trump is that progressives have created them. They shouldn't act surprised that when they employ an electoral strategy they termed "Kill Romney" that their opponents are no longer going to play by Marquess of Queensberry rules, and will take the gloves off. They shouldn't be shocked that Dems yucked it up about Clinton getting away with that is today practically considered sexual assault (just considering the Monica incident, and not the previous accusation of rape) and told people to "move on," and then act shocked when Trump supporters decide beating you is more important than personal character.

No, none of you said Romney was the devil in this thread, but all of the people you are complaining about saw that in 2012 and decided to hell with you guys in 2016. If you don't want to understand that or even engage with the point, then such is life. If the most important thing for you is no more Trumps, then stop acting like him all the time...

But mark my words, it won't take until March for major media publications to start up with the "this Republican is worse than Trump" or "at least Trump doesn't believe this" shtick, and those "Trumplicans" you hate are going to see it and internalize it even more.

You all know this. It's all so tiringly predictable.