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Does Bryant still transfer if Dez leaves? He’s being projected anywhere from 2-4 round pick. With a kid on the way, unless he moves into the 2022 first round, no reason for him to come back.
 
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(01-04-2021 11:32 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  Does Bryant still transfer if Dez leaves? He’s being projected anywhere from 2-4 round pick. With a kid on the way, unless he moves into the 2022 first round, no reason for him to come back.

Probably not. We’ll hopefully find out soon.
 
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(01-04-2021 11:32 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  Does Bryant still transfer if Dez leaves? He’s being projected anywhere from 2-4 round pick. With a kid on the way, unless he moves into the 2022 first round, no reason for him to come back.

I would like to think he's had that discussion with the coaching staff, so I'm going to say "Yes." For whatever reason, I think the writing is on the wall here, Bryant will not be the starting QB at Cincinnati... It's time to accept that and be the sideline guy or part ways.

I wish him well.
 
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Ridder will need to make a decision one way or the other soon- well before the draft deadline which is normally one week after the national championship game. Only fair to both sides not to mention Ben Bryant. Bryant would easily win the job over anyone else on the roster.
 
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So what's the deal with Evan Prater?

Ridder stepped in and took over as a RS Soph, so why can't the highest rated recruit we've ever gotten?
 
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Prater isn’t ready.
 
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Beavers is officially official. Looks like our LB corps will likely be Van Fossen, Ingle, and Beavers next year.


 
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(01-05-2021 08:40 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Beavers is officially official. Looks like our LB corps will likely be Van Fossen, Ingle, and Beavers next year.



Feel really good about linebacker and our secondary. Feel ok about defensive line. I'd feel great if sanders comes back. Offense needs to figure out left tackle and qb (hopefully ridder comes back).
 
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(01-05-2021 08:49 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 08:40 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Beavers is officially official. Looks like our LB corps will likely be Van Fossen, Ingle, and Beavers next year.



Feel really good about linebacker and our secondary. Feel ok about defensive line. I'd feel great if sanders comes back. Offense needs to figure out left tackle and qb (hopefully ridder comes back).

It's crazy to say, but how we fill that LT void may play the largest role in our success next year.
 
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(01-05-2021 09:40 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 08:49 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 08:40 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Beavers is officially official. Looks like our LB corps will likely be Van Fossen, Ingle, and Beavers next year.



Feel really good about linebacker and our secondary. Feel ok about defensive line. I'd feel great if sanders comes back. Offense needs to figure out left tackle and qb (hopefully ridder comes back).

It's crazy to say, but how we fill that LT void may play the largest role in our success next year.

Yep...to me that won't make a big impact in most of our conference games, but it will absolutely be the difference between having a chance to win out or not.
 
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(01-05-2021 08:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So what's the deal with Evan Prater?

Ridder stepped in and took over as a RS Soph, so why can't the highest rated recruit we've ever gotten?

He was actually a RS Freshman but accounted for 3,017 yards and 25 touchdowns. This season with only playing 10 games instead of 13 he had 2,888 and 31 touchdowns. With 3 more games that would've been roughly 40 touchdowns and 3750 yards. We could probably get Ridder's RS Freshman season's level of play out of Prater at this point, but if this team wants to hit the heights its capable of, it'd obviously be preferable to keep Ridder or maybe Bryant who I still think has probably the best pure arm talent on the team. The difference is that basically the only other QB on the roster Ridder's first year was a tough as nails but not the greatest Hayden Moore.
 
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(01-05-2021 09:49 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 08:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So what's the deal with Evan Prater?

Ridder stepped in and took over as a RS Soph, so why can't the highest rated recruit we've ever gotten?

He was actually a RS Freshman but accounted for 3,017 yards and 25 touchdowns. This season with only playing 10 games instead of 13 he had 2,888 and 31 touchdowns. With 3 more games that would've been roughly 40 touchdowns and 3750 yards. We could probably get Ridder's RS Freshman season's level of play out of Prater at this point, but if this team wants to hit the heights its capable of, it'd obviously be preferable to keep Ridder or maybe Bryant who I still think has probably the best pure arm talent on the team. The difference is that basically the only other QB on the roster Ridder's first year was a tough as nails but not the greatest Hayden Moore.

Yep, everything I've heard is that Prater is a long ways off from making the impact that Ridder or Bryant likely would next year unless something changes significantly with his accuracy in short order. We need one of the upperclassmen to be on the roster if we want to be competing for what we all know we can.
 
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If we have to roll Prater out under center on the road against Indiana and ND in back to back games we are going to get drilled.
 
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(01-05-2021 09:56 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 09:49 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 08:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So what's the deal with Evan Prater?

Ridder stepped in and took over as a RS Soph, so why can't the highest rated recruit we've ever gotten?

He was actually a RS Freshman but accounted for 3,017 yards and 25 touchdowns. This season with only playing 10 games instead of 13 he had 2,888 and 31 touchdowns. With 3 more games that would've been roughly 40 touchdowns and 3750 yards. We could probably get Ridder's RS Freshman season's level of play out of Prater at this point, but if this team wants to hit the heights its capable of, it'd obviously be preferable to keep Ridder or maybe Bryant who I still think has probably the best pure arm talent on the team. The difference is that basically the only other QB on the roster Ridder's first year was a tough as nails but not the greatest Hayden Moore.

Yep, everything I've heard is that Prater is a long ways off from making the impact that Ridder or Bryant likely would next year unless something changes significantly with his accuracy in short order. We need one of the upperclassmen to be on the roster if we want to be competing for what we all know we can.

If Prater has to get to Ridder level of accuracy, he must be a train wreck. Thank god Young can jump 10' or there might not have been any completed passes in the Peach bowl. Is he really that bad? Can it be fixed?
 
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(01-05-2021 10:20 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 09:56 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 09:49 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 08:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So what's the deal with Evan Prater?

Ridder stepped in and took over as a RS Soph, so why can't the highest rated recruit we've ever gotten?

He was actually a RS Freshman but accounted for 3,017 yards and 25 touchdowns. This season with only playing 10 games instead of 13 he had 2,888 and 31 touchdowns. With 3 more games that would've been roughly 40 touchdowns and 3750 yards. We could probably get Ridder's RS Freshman season's level of play out of Prater at this point, but if this team wants to hit the heights its capable of, it'd obviously be preferable to keep Ridder or maybe Bryant who I still think has probably the best pure arm talent on the team. The difference is that basically the only other QB on the roster Ridder's first year was a tough as nails but not the greatest Hayden Moore.

Yep, everything I've heard is that Prater is a long ways off from making the impact that Ridder or Bryant likely would next year unless something changes significantly with his accuracy in short order. We need one of the upperclassmen to be on the roster if we want to be competing for what we all know we can.

If Prater has to get to Ridder level of accuracy, he must be a train wreck. Thank god Young can jump 10' or there might not have been any completed passes in the Peach bowl. Is he really that bad? Can it be fixed?

I have a feeling that's WHY it is so bad...his throwing mechanics were gnarly in high school, and they may be trying to correct it a bit to help with his delivery times, because he looked like Byung Hyun Kim in the backfield throwing the ball for Wyoming and threw a ton of pop flies instead of darts. I had a coach tell me that there was a reason why there weren't a ton of throws on his highlight films...exceptional athlete and runner, but passing form and accuracy needed some work apparently. I never saw him play in high school so I'm just taking the word of some guys in my network down there who did.
 
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Found this on Twitter; seemed helpful:


 
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(01-05-2021 10:40 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 10:20 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 09:56 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 09:49 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 08:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So what's the deal with Evan Prater?

Ridder stepped in and took over as a RS Soph, so why can't the highest rated recruit we've ever gotten?

He was actually a RS Freshman but accounted for 3,017 yards and 25 touchdowns. This season with only playing 10 games instead of 13 he had 2,888 and 31 touchdowns. With 3 more games that would've been roughly 40 touchdowns and 3750 yards. We could probably get Ridder's RS Freshman season's level of play out of Prater at this point, but if this team wants to hit the heights its capable of, it'd obviously be preferable to keep Ridder or maybe Bryant who I still think has probably the best pure arm talent on the team. The difference is that basically the only other QB on the roster Ridder's first year was a tough as nails but not the greatest Hayden Moore.

Yep, everything I've heard is that Prater is a long ways off from making the impact that Ridder or Bryant likely would next year unless something changes significantly with his accuracy in short order. We need one of the upperclassmen to be on the roster if we want to be competing for what we all know we can.

If Prater has to get to Ridder level of accuracy, he must be a train wreck. Thank god Young can jump 10' or there might not have been any completed passes in the Peach bowl. Is he really that bad? Can it be fixed?

I have a feeling that's WHY it is so bad...his throwing mechanics were gnarly in high school, and they may be trying to correct it a bit to help with his delivery times, because he looked like Byung Hyun Kim in the backfield throwing the ball for Wyoming and threw a ton of pop flies instead of darts. I had a coach tell me that there was a reason why there weren't a ton of throws on his highlight films...exceptional athlete and runner, but passing form and accuracy needed some work apparently. I never saw him play in high school so I'm just taking the word of some guys in my network down there who did.

The D4 competition he faced in HS was a bit forgiving and he was often just the best athlete on the field. He’s always been a development project IMO regardless of his high rating. Yeah, if anyone thought Munchie had some funky mechanics....I haven’t heard how far the staff has come with working on changing those.
 
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(01-05-2021 10:41 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  Found this on Twitter; seemed helpful:



What's the word on Jaheim Thomas and potentially seeing the field next season? I would think with his build he would be a potential Sanders clone off the edge.
 
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(01-05-2021 11:05 AM)Tomcat Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 10:41 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  Found this on Twitter; seemed helpful:



What's the word on Jaheim Thomas and potentially seeing the field next season? I would think with his build he would be a potential Sanders clone off the edge.

I believe he is more likely to replace Beavers than Sanders, but that is just personal opinion, not based on any hard facts. Wild thought, but Sanders' replacement might not be on campus yet.
 
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(01-05-2021 10:53 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
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(01-05-2021 10:20 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 09:56 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 09:49 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  He was actually a RS Freshman but accounted for 3,017 yards and 25 touchdowns. This season with only playing 10 games instead of 13 he had 2,888 and 31 touchdowns. With 3 more games that would've been roughly 40 touchdowns and 3750 yards. We could probably get Ridder's RS Freshman season's level of play out of Prater at this point, but if this team wants to hit the heights its capable of, it'd obviously be preferable to keep Ridder or maybe Bryant who I still think has probably the best pure arm talent on the team. The difference is that basically the only other QB on the roster Ridder's first year was a tough as nails but not the greatest Hayden Moore.

Yep, everything I've heard is that Prater is a long ways off from making the impact that Ridder or Bryant likely would next year unless something changes significantly with his accuracy in short order. We need one of the upperclassmen to be on the roster if we want to be competing for what we all know we can.

If Prater has to get to Ridder level of accuracy, he must be a train wreck. Thank god Young can jump 10' or there might not have been any completed passes in the Peach bowl. Is he really that bad? Can it be fixed?

I have a feeling that's WHY it is so bad...his throwing mechanics were gnarly in high school, and they may be trying to correct it a bit to help with his delivery times, because he looked like Byung Hyun Kim in the backfield throwing the ball for Wyoming and threw a ton of pop flies instead of darts. I had a coach tell me that there was a reason why there weren't a ton of throws on his highlight films...exceptional athlete and runner, but passing form and accuracy needed some work apparently. I never saw him play in high school so I'm just taking the word of some guys in my network down there who did.

The D4 competition he faced in HS was a bit forgiving and he was often just the best athlete on the field. He’s always been a development project IMO regardless of his high rating. Yeah, if anyone thought Munchie had some funky mechanics....I haven’t heard how far the staff has come with working on changing those.

Agreed. That's what I've been saying since the day he signed. A lot of people got a little too excited by his high rating. He was a product of being the best player on the field against lower level competition. I'll be mildly surprised if he ever lives up to his billing. I think it's a little easier to get overrated as a QB, because it takes more than just being a good athlete to be successful. Take Corey Kiner for instance. It will be interesting to see how he turns out at LSU after facing Div III competition throughout his career. He doesn't have to throw the ball/read defenses/go thru progressions/etc. His success/failure will mainly be a result of how good of an athlete he is.

In comparing Ridder to Prater, I thought someone had mentioned that Ridder played in a higher Division in KY than the Div IV in Ohio that Prater played in.
 
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