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(01-04-2021 03:59 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
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(01-04-2021 03:17 PM)Banter Wrote:  I would love to find another transfer at OT, but we do have some highly touted (ratings) like Allen who hopefully will be ready. I know there was a lot of flack thrown at Metz, but he likely won't see anyone as talented as GA's D-Line the rest of his career. He likely will be a lot more serviceable against the AAC.

That said...I would still feel more comfortable with a transfer in his slot.

Didn't they already use up all available spots for incoming players next year?

Still have 1 left

My guess is you'll see more transfer activity given the environment. I doubt we're locked into one spot.

Can only sign 25 in a class. We signed 24. Not sure how transfers count against the 25, but believe they do.

We have a player who didn't sign a traditional grant-in-aid as his is using his father's military benefit meaning we still do have one more even with the Briggs transfer, or at least that what multiple individuals have reported.
 
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(01-04-2021 03:36 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I've always wondered, does Metz have English issues? I don't know if he has the tools to be good or not, but he looks amazing. If you were going to create a Left Tackle on NCAA Football 2014, he would look a lot like Metz.

The issue with Metz is that he is almost too tall...when your center of gravity gets too high, people can start really gaining leverage on bull rushes, and you get out of whack quite a bit when dealing with change of direction. I'm thinking that, along with just not being seasoned in the sport, is why he still has a tremendous problem dealing with inside out games and inside swims.
 
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(01-04-2021 04:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I don't know why more of those non-NFL guys don't come back for another year. Why not?

You've got the rest of your freaking life to never play football again. Take our word for it !!

^This was why Peyton Manning stayed for his senior year.
He understood you can't get college back and those years are precious few.

It was also 1997. I would take the paycheck now too. Most don't have the talent to be a generational QB, but maybe they can get 3 years and 5 million in the bank.
 
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(01-04-2021 04:19 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 03:36 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I've always wondered, does Metz have English issues? I don't know if he has the tools to be good or not, but he looks amazing. If you were going to create a Left Tackle on NCAA Football 2014, he would look a lot like Metz.

The issue with Metz is that he is almost too tall...when your center of gravity gets too high, people can start really gaining leverage on bull rushes, and you get out of whack quite a bit when dealing with change of direction. I'm thinking that, along with just not being seasoned in the sport, is why he still has a tremendous problem dealing with inside out games and inside swims.

It's also the reason he has all the false starts. Especially when playing against the caliber of player on Georgia's D-Line he was likely trying to get a step on the end, because he was outclassed in that situation.
 
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(01-04-2021 04:51 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I don't know why more of those non-NFL guys don't come back for another year. Why not?

You've got the rest of your freaking life to never play football again. Take our word for it !!

^This was why Peyton Manning stayed for his senior year.
He understood you can't get college back and those years are precious few.

It was also 1997. I would take the paycheck now too. Most don't have the talent to be a generational QB, but maybe they can get 3 years and 5 million in the bank.

Don't disagree but the college years are special. You can't get them back.
Your adult working life lasts a very long time.
 
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(01-04-2021 04:55 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:51 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I don't know why more of those non-NFL guys don't come back for another year. Why not?

You've got the rest of your freaking life to never play football again. Take our word for it !!

^This was why Peyton Manning stayed for his senior year.
He understood you can't get college back and those years are precious few.

It was also 1997. I would take the paycheck now too. Most don't have the talent to be a generational QB, but maybe they can get 3 years and 5 million in the bank.

Don't disagree but the college years are special. You can't get them back.
Your adult working life lasts a very long time.

My adult life would have started a lot better with a 7 figure signing bonus. I get coming back if you are slotted as a late round pick, but if you can go 5th or higher you are going to start out your adult life with over 3 million. One injury in college can take that away. Take the money...that 3 million can pay to finish your degree later.
 
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(01-04-2021 04:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I don't know why more of those non-NFL guys don't come back for another year. Why not?

You've got the rest of your freaking life to never play football again. Take our word for it !!

^This was why Peyton Manning stayed for his senior year.
He understood you can't get college back and those years are precious few.
From my understanding, UC accommodates athletes who come back and want to finish their degrees. In my eyes, players should always strike while the iron is hot.

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(01-04-2021 04:51 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I don't know why more of those non-NFL guys don't come back for another year. Why not?

You've got the rest of your freaking life to never play football again. Take our word for it !!

^This was why Peyton Manning stayed for his senior year.
He understood you can't get college back and those years are precious few.

It was also 1997. I would take the paycheck now too. Most don't have the talent to be a generational QB, but maybe they can get 3 years and 5 million in the bank.

It has been reported that 80% of former NFL players are bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the NFL.
 
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(01-04-2021 03:17 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 03:12 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:48 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I hope that a few of our seniors do decide to take the free COVID year, but maybe not too many of them as it could hinder the development of younger guys. Would be nice to maybe hold on to one guy from each position group on defense. Bryant from the DBs, Beavers from the LBs, and maybe Brooks on the DL would be nice to help stabilize all the turnover. That said, I wouldn't turn down any of the names on that list as long as they come back knowing they aren't guaranteed playing time and will need to compete for starting positions like anyone else on the roster.

I’m now more worried about the OLine.

On the D Line we still have Briggs coming in and Vann returning along with a lot of promising young guys like Wodtly who has a ton of talent. I think the DLine will remain solid, especially if Sanders returns but even without him I think we will be just fine.

On OLine we saw what happened without Hudson at LT. Hopefully Harper returns for one more season and someone like Jonathan Allen is now ready to step in at LT. Otherwise it may be an up and down year with a lot more close games than we should be in.

I would love to find another transfer at OT, but we do have some highly touted (ratings) like Allen who hopefully will be ready. I know there was a lot of flack thrown at Metz, but he likely won't see anyone as talented as GA's D-Line the rest of his career. He likely will be a lot more serviceable against the AAC.

That said...I would still feel more comfortable with a transfer in his slot.

The talent on the GA D-line doesn't account for the procedure penalties, which were absolute drive killers. i was going to put this in the Peach Bowl thread but will just go ahead and place it here. The lack of suitable replacement for Metz as a second stringer is on the coaching staff. i get that you aren't going to get a top shelf transfer to come in to play behind Hudson, but the staff needed to get someone on the second string that is more capable than what we have with Metz. We've seen the ceiling with him. He repeatedly makes the same mistakes over and over. His technique on pass blocking is lousy. He may have the size and strength but lacks the mobility to block on the edge. Putting him out there was a huge mistake. Not protecting him with an additional blocker to double team the end was also a mistake, even though it would have likely compromised other aspects of the offense. The truth of the matter is that we have a problem that GA was able to exploit and Coach Fickell and Co. were unable to solve, and that was a major reason for losing the game.

i'm sure he has a role on the team. Someone mentioned moving him to DL. Why not? it's not like OL is working for him. He simply can't play Tackle.
 
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(01-04-2021 05:03 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:51 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I don't know why more of those non-NFL guys don't come back for another year. Why not?

You've got the rest of your freaking life to never play football again. Take our word for it !!

^This was why Peyton Manning stayed for his senior year.
He understood you can't get college back and those years are precious few.

It was also 1997. I would take the paycheck now too. Most don't have the talent to be a generational QB, but maybe they can get 3 years and 5 million in the bank.

It has been reported that 80% of former NFL players are bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the NFL.

…and if they didn't finish college have no degree to fall back on after they are bankrupt.

Ultimately staying or going early is an individual decision based on their unique circumstances...

I'm sure the money is great if you go early.
If you earn it and save/spend it wisely you would have a great start in life.
But if 80% are bankrupt in 5 years of leaving — most of them are not smart with the Benjamins.

Sitting on the north side of 50...with 30+ years of work behind me...
how many of us wouldn't take another year of the freedom of college life?

And in the end... life is not all about the money.
 
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Earning over a million dollars before turning 23/24 is just more valuable than finishing a final year of school. It just is. As soon as you know you can get a contract you should leave. The risk of injury, falling, etc is too great imo.

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(01-04-2021 05:15 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 05:03 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:51 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I don't know why more of those non-NFL guys don't come back for another year. Why not?

You've got the rest of your freaking life to never play football again. Take our word for it !!

^This was why Peyton Manning stayed for his senior year.
He understood you can't get college back and those years are precious few.

It was also 1997. I would take the paycheck now too. Most don't have the talent to be a generational QB, but maybe they can get 3 years and 5 million in the bank.

It has been reported that 80% of former NFL players are bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the NFL.

…and if they didn't finish college have no degree to fall back on after they are bankrupt.

Ultimately staying or going early is an individual decision based on their unique circumstances...

I'm sure the money is great if you go early.
If you earn it and save/spend it wisely you would have a great start in life.
But if 80% are bankrupt in 5 years of leaving — most of them are not smart with the Benjamins.

Sitting on the north side of 50...with 30+ years of work behind me...
how many of us wouldn't take another year of the freedom of college life?

And in the end... life is not all about the money.

UC should make all athletes that might go pro take a course in personal finance.

80% go bankrupt because of buying flashy cars, bad investments and paying child support for one or more baby moms.

Teach them to save at least half of what they get.

Invest in a balanced fund. No wild stuff.

Teach them to us BC. Come on man!
 
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(01-04-2021 07:19 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 05:15 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 05:03 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:51 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  ^This was why Peyton Manning stayed for his senior year.
He understood you can't get college back and those years are precious few.

It was also 1997. I would take the paycheck now too. Most don't have the talent to be a generational QB, but maybe they can get 3 years and 5 million in the bank.

It has been reported that 80% of former NFL players are bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the NFL.

…and if they didn't finish college have no degree to fall back on after they are bankrupt.

Ultimately staying or going early is an individual decision based on their unique circumstances...

I'm sure the money is great if you go early.
If you earn it and save/spend it wisely you would have a great start in life.
But if 80% are bankrupt in 5 years of leaving — most of them are not smart with the Benjamins.

Sitting on the north side of 50...with 30+ years of work behind me...
how many of us wouldn't take another year of the freedom of college life?

And in the end... life is not all about the money.

UC should make all athletes that might go pro take a course in personal finance.

80% go bankrupt because of buying flashy cars, bad investments and paying child support for one or more baby moms.

Teach them to save at least half of what they get.

Invest in a balanced fund. No wild stuff.

Teach them to us BC. Come on man!

UC should make all STUDENTS take a course in personal finance.
 
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(01-04-2021 07:36 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 07:19 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 05:15 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 05:03 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:51 PM)Banter Wrote:  It was also 1997. I would take the paycheck now too. Most don't have the talent to be a generational QB, but maybe they can get 3 years and 5 million in the bank.

It has been reported that 80% of former NFL players are bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the NFL.

…and if they didn't finish college have no degree to fall back on after they are bankrupt.

Ultimately staying or going early is an individual decision based on their unique circumstances...

I'm sure the money is great if you go early.
If you earn it and save/spend it wisely you would have a great start in life.
But if 80% are bankrupt in 5 years of leaving — most of them are not smart with the Benjamins.

Sitting on the north side of 50...with 30+ years of work behind me...
how many of us wouldn't take another year of the freedom of college life?

And in the end... life is not all about the money.

UC should make all athletes that might go pro take a course in personal finance.

80% go bankrupt because of buying flashy cars, bad investments and paying child support for one or more baby moms.

Teach them to save at least half of what they get.

Invest in a balanced fund. No wild stuff.

Teach them to us BC. Come on man!

UC should make all STUDENTS take a course in personal finance.

Ohio should make all high school students take a course in personal finance.

There's local elected officials in charge of multibillion dollar budgets who don't even know what a balance sheet or an income statement is.
 
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(01-04-2021 07:19 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 05:15 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 05:03 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:51 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  ^This was why Peyton Manning stayed for his senior year.
He understood you can't get college back and those years are precious few.

It was also 1997. I would take the paycheck now too. Most don't have the talent to be a generational QB, but maybe they can get 3 years and 5 million in the bank.

It has been reported that 80% of former NFL players are bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the NFL.

…and if they didn't finish college have no degree to fall back on after they are bankrupt.

Ultimately staying or going early is an individual decision based on their unique circumstances...

I'm sure the money is great if you go early.
If you earn it and save/spend it wisely you would have a great start in life.
But if 80% are bankrupt in 5 years of leaving — most of them are not smart with the Benjamins.

Sitting on the north side of 50...with 30+ years of work behind me...
how many of us wouldn't take another year of the freedom of college life?

And in the end... life is not all about the money.

UC should make all athletes that might go pro take a course in personal finance.

80% go bankrupt because of buying flashy cars, bad investments and paying child support for one or more baby moms.

Teach them to save at least half of what they get.

Invest in a balanced fund. No wild stuff.

Teach them to us BC. Come on man!

I really was just talking about the guys who aren't going to even come close to the NFL getting another year of ball in, that's all.
 
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(01-04-2021 04:59 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I don't know why more of those non-NFL guys don't come back for another year. Why not?

You've got the rest of your freaking life to never play football again. Take our word for it !!

^This was why Peyton Manning stayed for his senior year.
He understood you can't get college back and those years are precious few.
From my understanding, UC accommodates athletes who come back and want to finish their degrees. In my eyes, players should always strike while the iron is hot.

No one wants to go back to college after they have been out for a year or more. It is no fun being the old guy with all the young kids.
 
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(01-04-2021 04:53 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:19 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 03:36 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I've always wondered, does Metz have English issues? I don't know if he has the tools to be good or not, but he looks amazing. If you were going to create a Left Tackle on NCAA Football 2014, he would look a lot like Metz.

The issue with Metz is that he is almost too tall...when your center of gravity gets too high, people can start really gaining leverage on bull rushes, and you get out of whack quite a bit when dealing with change of direction. I'm thinking that, along with just not being seasoned in the sport, is why he still has a tremendous problem dealing with inside out games and inside swims.

It's also the reason he has all the false starts. Especially when playing against the caliber of player on Georgia's D-Line he was likely trying to get a step on the end, because he was outclassed in that situation.

Always wondered if Metz would be better as a guard than as a tackle. Wouldn't have to get that quick start to block an outside rusher.
 
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(01-04-2021 11:25 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:53 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:19 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 03:36 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I've always wondered, does Metz have English issues? I don't know if he has the tools to be good or not, but he looks amazing. If you were going to create a Left Tackle on NCAA Football 2014, he would look a lot like Metz.

The issue with Metz is that he is almost too tall...when your center of gravity gets too high, people can start really gaining leverage on bull rushes, and you get out of whack quite a bit when dealing with change of direction. I'm thinking that, along with just not being seasoned in the sport, is why he still has a tremendous problem dealing with inside out games and inside swims.

It's also the reason he has all the false starts. Especially when playing against the caliber of player on Georgia's D-Line he was likely trying to get a step on the end, because he was outclassed in that situation.

Always wondered if Metz would be better as a guard than as a tackle. Wouldn't have to get that quick start to block an outside rusher.

His height would make him a non-starter there. He'd be blocking throwing lanes left and right as a guard...he could be the best blocker in the world but it wouldn't matter in there when he's essentially blinding his QB.
 
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(01-04-2021 11:25 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:53 PM)Banter Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:19 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 03:36 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I've always wondered, does Metz have English issues? I don't know if he has the tools to be good or not, but he looks amazing. If you were going to create a Left Tackle on NCAA Football 2014, he would look a lot like Metz.

The issue with Metz is that he is almost too tall...when your center of gravity gets too high, people can start really gaining leverage on bull rushes, and you get out of whack quite a bit when dealing with change of direction. I'm thinking that, along with just not being seasoned in the sport, is why he still has a tremendous problem dealing with inside out games and inside swims.

It's also the reason he has all the false starts. Especially when playing against the caliber of player on Georgia's D-Line he was likely trying to get a step on the end, because he was outclassed in that situation.

Always wondered if Metz would be better as a guard than as a tackle. Wouldn't have to get that quick start to block an outside rusher.

He’s too tall to play on the interior. QB couldn’t see over him.
 
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