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(01-13-2021 10:30 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  That being said, I do think there’s some Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson fatigue settling in with the CFP that’s an issue outside of the pandemic (as we have discussed in the 8-team playoff threads).

Ohio State hasn't made the championship game in 6 years (first year of the CFP, 2014 season, January 2015) and hasn't played Alabama since the Sugar Bowl New Year's Day 2015. They didn't even make the Playoff two of the last four years. Fans shouldn't be as sick of Ohio State as they are of Alabama and Clemson. I thought Ohio State "saved" college football this year. I didn't want to see another damn Alabama/Clemson championship game. People who were fatigued over Ohio State were unfair to them.
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(01-13-2021 10:48 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 10:30 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  That being said, I do think there’s some Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson fatigue settling in with the CFP that’s an issue outside of the pandemic (as we have discussed in the 8-team playoff threads).

Ohio State hasn't made the championship game in 6 years (first year of the CFP, 2014 season, January 2015) and hasn't played Alabama since the Sugar Bowl New Year's Day 2015. They didn't even make the Playoff two of the last four years. Fans shouldn't be as sick of Ohio State as they are of Alabama and Clemson. I thought Ohio State "saved" college football this year. I didn't want to see another damn Alabama/Clemson championship game. People who were fatigued over Ohio State were unfair to them.

Alabama has the most championships, but Ohio St. has been the top program since the BCS era. They have been in the hunt nearly every single year. Ohio St. getting in with special rules and only 6 games was a threat to college football.
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(01-13-2021 09:26 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 08:59 AM)ken d Wrote:  
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(01-12-2021 08:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think two things will help.

1) Go to the 5-1-2 eight team playoff format.

2) Drop the FBS total scholarship limit to 70 per school---and 20 per year.

The first makes sure every portion of the country has a rooting interest and insures that the forgotten third of the hard core college football viewing audience (the 65 G5 team fan bases) is engaged in the CFP process.

The second forces the talent to be more dispersed and less concentrated hopefully resulting a more interesting race every year.

If you eliminate 15 scholarships per FBS team, that’s almost 2000 players. Care to guess what race most of them are? Good luck trying to cut back on football scholarships. Really benefits nobody.

I get that—but right now the administrations could be sympathetic to that move given the financial pasting they took this year due to Covid. These financial issues due to vastly reduced ticket sales will certainly extend into the Spring and could potentially still be a lingering issue during the fall 2021 football season. Then there is always the effects from the national economic fall out from Covid—-I suspect there will simply not be as many people financially able to buy season tickets coming out of Covid than there were going into Covid.

Cutting scholarships might make a lot of sense at this point—-and we haven’t even discussed the possibility that the Supreme Court decision could increase player compensation (not to mention Congress has shown interest in more player compensation). There are currently an awful lot of potential triggers for this kind of austerity move made in the name of improving “competitive parity”.

As long as there is a college football playoff, there will be a great disparity of talent. The same handful of schools will dominate every year, because the very top players will all want to play for that national championship, and will realize that works better if they coordinate their recruiting with the other top athletes (and they all know who they are).

Cutting scholarships will help fix this, but its most important benefit is cost savings, because every football scholarship cut means two fewer scholarships for the school because it allows a corresponding reduction in scholarships for women's sports under Title IX.

I would also do away with the requirement that all football scholarships be full scholarships. Reduce the number of FTE's even further, and cap the number of players who can have either a full or partial scholarship. If ever there were a time when this kind of change could be politically feasible it is now.

This is where sports fans need to step back and realize that on-the-field competitiveness are a minuscule concern compared to the broader goals of universities.

Every Power 5 school and top tier academic institution is heavily trying to increase their enrollments of underrepresented minorities and low income students, which are underrepresented at virtually all of those schools compared to the overall U.S. population. If you talk to any university president today, they will often state this as their #1 goal above all else.

Football happens to be one sport that actually has a disproportionately high number of underrepresented minorities and low income participants (on top of being a revenue generator a the P5 level). As a result, I can tell you that the desire to reduce FBS scholarships is less than zero. It’s not even in the vicinity of being on the radar and, if anything, virtually every school would rather allocate more scholarships to football and get rid of the “country club” sports. So, you’ll see other sports scholarships getting cut (as has already happened and will likely continue to happen) long before football scholarships (which simultaneously address both societal and financial goals for colleges at least at the P5 level) are ever touched.

I think you are wrong. The powers don't want to reduce scholarships because it hampers their ability to make mistakes and still be at the top. But the faculty hates football and would just as soon see it gone. 10 football players does nothing for diversity, especially since a bunch of them are clustered in special programs. And if you look at the overall rosters and the two deep, I think you would find the bottom 10 to be a higher % white than the overall roster.
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(01-13-2021 10:31 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  A lot of yall have given potential reasons for the decline and potential solutions more adequately than I probably could, so I'll just echo some of the prevailing sentiments.

I didn't really watch any of the playoffs. It's not because I'm an alum/fan of a G5 school either. I love college football and I've always consumed as much of it as I could. I didn't watch because it's boring now. This is still entertainment and the predictability of it takes away all the fun. It sucks knowing exactly how the season will play out before it even starts. I'm starting to gravitate more towards the NFL now because at least there's some excitement during their playoffs.

Also, a late kickoff on a work night doesn't help.

I'll also add that I agree that everything should be taken with a grain of salt due to the pandemic. However, my point about how boring CFB is becoming still stands.

I think you hit on it with the predictability.

Watching the game, I was also kind of bored with Alabama's offense. It was pretty predictable too and looked too much like a pro offense. The only difference vs. the pros was that Alabama's athletes were a lot faster than Ohio St.'s. Watching that big linebacker trying to chase DeVonta Smith on that long TD was kind of funny.
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(01-13-2021 11:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 09:26 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 08:59 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 04:08 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 10:13 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  If you eliminate 15 scholarships per FBS team, that’s almost 2000 players. Care to guess what race most of them are? Good luck trying to cut back on football scholarships. Really benefits nobody.

I get that—but right now the administrations could be sympathetic to that move given the financial pasting they took this year due to Covid. These financial issues due to vastly reduced ticket sales will certainly extend into the Spring and could potentially still be a lingering issue during the fall 2021 football season. Then there is always the effects from the national economic fall out from Covid—-I suspect there will simply not be as many people financially able to buy season tickets coming out of Covid than there were going into Covid.

Cutting scholarships might make a lot of sense at this point—-and we haven’t even discussed the possibility that the Supreme Court decision could increase player compensation (not to mention Congress has shown interest in more player compensation). There are currently an awful lot of potential triggers for this kind of austerity move made in the name of improving “competitive parity”.

As long as there is a college football playoff, there will be a great disparity of talent. The same handful of schools will dominate every year, because the very top players will all want to play for that national championship, and will realize that works better if they coordinate their recruiting with the other top athletes (and they all know who they are).

Cutting scholarships will help fix this, but its most important benefit is cost savings, because every football scholarship cut means two fewer scholarships for the school because it allows a corresponding reduction in scholarships for women's sports under Title IX.

I would also do away with the requirement that all football scholarships be full scholarships. Reduce the number of FTE's even further, and cap the number of players who can have either a full or partial scholarship. If ever there were a time when this kind of change could be politically feasible it is now.

This is where sports fans need to step back and realize that on-the-field competitiveness are a minuscule concern compared to the broader goals of universities.

Every Power 5 school and top tier academic institution is heavily trying to increase their enrollments of underrepresented minorities and low income students, which are underrepresented at virtually all of those schools compared to the overall U.S. population. If you talk to any university president today, they will often state this as their #1 goal above all else.

Football happens to be one sport that actually has a disproportionately high number of underrepresented minorities and low income participants (on top of being a revenue generator a the P5 level). As a result, I can tell you that the desire to reduce FBS scholarships is less than zero. It’s not even in the vicinity of being on the radar and, if anything, virtually every school would rather allocate more scholarships to football and get rid of the “country club” sports. So, you’ll see other sports scholarships getting cut (as has already happened and will likely continue to happen) long before football scholarships (which simultaneously address both societal and financial goals for colleges at least at the P5 level) are ever touched.

I think you are wrong. The powers don't want to reduce scholarships because it hampers their ability to make mistakes and still be at the top. But the faculty hates football and would just as soon see it gone. 10 football players does nothing for diversity, especially since a bunch of them are clustered in special programs. And if you look at the overall rosters and the two deep, I think you would find the bottom 10 to be a higher % white than the overall roster.

Scholarships were first limited in 1973, as a result of Title IX, and then reduced again in 1978 and 1992. In no cases did these reductions change the basic structure of football, with Alabama/Notre Dame/USC/Ohio State types on the top and others way below.
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(01-13-2021 11:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 10:31 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  A lot of yall have given potential reasons for the decline and potential solutions more adequately than I probably could, so I'll just echo some of the prevailing sentiments.

I didn't really watch any of the playoffs. It's not because I'm an alum/fan of a G5 school either. I love college football and I've always consumed as much of it as I could. I didn't watch because it's boring now. This is still entertainment and the predictability of it takes away all the fun. It sucks knowing exactly how the season will play out before it even starts. I'm starting to gravitate more towards the NFL now because at least there's some excitement during their playoffs.

Also, a late kickoff on a work night doesn't help.

I'll also add that I agree that everything should be taken with a grain of salt due to the pandemic. However, my point about how boring CFB is becoming still stands.

I think you hit on it with the predictability.

Watching the game, I was also kind of bored with Alabama's offense. It was pretty predictable too and looked too much like a pro offense. The only difference vs. the pros was that Alabama's athletes were a lot faster than Ohio St.'s. Watching that big linebacker trying to chase DeVonta Smith on that long TD was kind of funny.

To me the stunning thing was that despite its predictability, that Alabama offense was relentless. The Buckeyes knew what was coming, too, and even with all their own prodigious array of talent they just couldn't stop it.
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(01-13-2021 11:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 10:48 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 10:30 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  That being said, I do think there’s some Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson fatigue settling in with the CFP that’s an issue outside of the pandemic (as we have discussed in the 8-team playoff threads).

Ohio State hasn't made the championship game in 6 years (first year of the CFP, 2014 season, January 2015) and hasn't played Alabama since the Sugar Bowl New Year's Day 2015. They didn't even make the Playoff two of the last four years. Fans shouldn't be as sick of Ohio State as they are of Alabama and Clemson. I thought Ohio State "saved" college football this year. I didn't want to see another damn Alabama/Clemson championship game. People who were fatigued over Ohio State were unfair to them.

Alabama has the most championships, but Ohio St. has been the top program since the BCS era. They have been in the hunt nearly every single year. Ohio St. getting in with special rules and only 6 games was a threat to college football.

Ohio St has been the top program in the BCS/CFP era? Yes they have 10 more wins, but Alabama has 6 titles to only 2 for Ohio St. That is way more important than 10 wins.

I do agree Ohio St getting in this year was problematic and probably a lot of folks tuned out as a result.
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I guessed really wrong. About half what I thought it'd be.

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There wasn't a marquee QB featured in these games. I don't think Lawrence would have made a difference due to the saturation of Clemson. I also agree that they have to get off Monday night. I was so crapped out with football and all the NFL head coaching firings coming out the following Monday that I forgot the title game was happening until deep into the 1st half. I tuned into ESPN Gamecast and the score was already out of hand. Didn't watch a minute of it aside from highlights of Smith.
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(01-13-2021 10:31 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  A lot of yall have given potential reasons for the decline and potential solutions more adequately than I probably could, so I'll just echo some of the prevailing sentiments.

I didn't really watch any of the playoffs. It's not because I'm an alum/fan of a G5 school either. I love college football and I've always consumed as much of it as I could. I didn't watch because it's boring now. This is still entertainment and the predictability of it takes away all the fun. It sucks knowing exactly how the season will play out before it even starts. I'm starting to gravitate more towards the NFL now because at least there's some excitement during their playoffs.

Also, a late kickoff on a work night doesn't help.

I'll also add that I agree that everything should be taken with a grain of salt due to the pandemic. However, my point about how boring CFB is becoming still stands.

I think the college level is long overdue an overhaul of the game clock and timing rules. A pass-happy pro game hasn’t eaten up that much more time, but the college game is brutally slow. Pick any part of it: limited number of television breaks (ala the pro’s), change in game clock, reviews/replay, player injuries (this is egregious and laughable now...soccer has been dethroned)...it just sucks. And this is on top of why I’m now out of this thing with the power and playoff structure. For how bad college basketball has become (and that, too, is seriously hurting, imo), this level of football just feels like a poor man’s production of the pro level, failing to embrace the nuance and organic traits of what made this level once great.
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(01-13-2021 03:07 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  There wasn't a marquee QB featured in these games. I don't think Lawrence would have made a difference due to the saturation of Clemson. I also agree that they have to get off Monday night. I was so crapped out with football and all the NFL head coaching firings coming out the following Monday that I forgot the title game was happening until deep into the 1st half. I tuned into ESPN Gamecast and the score was already out of hand. Didn't watch a minute of it aside from highlights of Smith.

I disagree in that I think the committee felt the country should recognize the roster of Ohio State, and make you believe that at so many games less than what other teams played, we were supposed to believe OSU looked the part. And Fields was a huge part of that.

You may be right, and that is how it was, and the committee failed in its projection to hype that squad and read any narratives on OSU, but, the committee wanted us so hard to buy into this Ohio State squad. They got some validation against Clemson, though.

I’d go so far as to say that if you flip the title game score, I bet the ratings increase and the new narrative becomes whether Fields deserves to be a top pick over Lawrence. But, I think the injury and then subsequent bad play in the national title threw that one off the table.
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(01-13-2021 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 11:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 09:26 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 08:59 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 04:08 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I get that—but right now the administrations could be sympathetic to that move given the financial pasting they took this year due to Covid. These financial issues due to vastly reduced ticket sales will certainly extend into the Spring and could potentially still be a lingering issue during the fall 2021 football season. Then there is always the effects from the national economic fall out from Covid—-I suspect there will simply not be as many people financially able to buy season tickets coming out of Covid than there were going into Covid.

Cutting scholarships might make a lot of sense at this point—-and we haven’t even discussed the possibility that the Supreme Court decision could increase player compensation (not to mention Congress has shown interest in more player compensation). There are currently an awful lot of potential triggers for this kind of austerity move made in the name of improving “competitive parity”.

As long as there is a college football playoff, there will be a great disparity of talent. The same handful of schools will dominate every year, because the very top players will all want to play for that national championship, and will realize that works better if they coordinate their recruiting with the other top athletes (and they all know who they are).

Cutting scholarships will help fix this, but its most important benefit is cost savings, because every football scholarship cut means two fewer scholarships for the school because it allows a corresponding reduction in scholarships for women's sports under Title IX.

I would also do away with the requirement that all football scholarships be full scholarships. Reduce the number of FTE's even further, and cap the number of players who can have either a full or partial scholarship. If ever there were a time when this kind of change could be politically feasible it is now.

This is where sports fans need to step back and realize that on-the-field competitiveness are a minuscule concern compared to the broader goals of universities.

Every Power 5 school and top tier academic institution is heavily trying to increase their enrollments of underrepresented minorities and low income students, which are underrepresented at virtually all of those schools compared to the overall U.S. population. If you talk to any university president today, they will often state this as their #1 goal above all else.

Football happens to be one sport that actually has a disproportionately high number of underrepresented minorities and low income participants (on top of being a revenue generator a the P5 level). As a result, I can tell you that the desire to reduce FBS scholarships is less than zero. It’s not even in the vicinity of being on the radar and, if anything, virtually every school would rather allocate more scholarships to football and get rid of the “country club” sports. So, you’ll see other sports scholarships getting cut (as has already happened and will likely continue to happen) long before football scholarships (which simultaneously address both societal and financial goals for colleges at least at the P5 level) are ever touched.

I think you are wrong. The powers don't want to reduce scholarships because it hampers their ability to make mistakes and still be at the top. But the faculty hates football and would just as soon see it gone. 10 football players does nothing for diversity, especially since a bunch of them are clustered in special programs. And if you look at the overall rosters and the two deep, I think you would find the bottom 10 to be a higher % white than the overall roster.

Scholarships were first limited in 1973, as a result of Title IX, and then reduced again in 1978 and 1992. In no cases did these reductions change the basic structure of football, with Alabama/Notre Dame/USC/Ohio State types on the top and others way below.

Going to 70 wont change it either---but it will change the size of the gap.
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(01-13-2021 01:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 11:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 10:48 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 10:30 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  That being said, I do think there’s some Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson fatigue settling in with the CFP that’s an issue outside of the pandemic (as we have discussed in the 8-team playoff threads).

Ohio State hasn't made the championship game in 6 years (first year of the CFP, 2014 season, January 2015) and hasn't played Alabama since the Sugar Bowl New Year's Day 2015. They didn't even make the Playoff two of the last four years. Fans shouldn't be as sick of Ohio State as they are of Alabama and Clemson. I thought Ohio State "saved" college football this year. I didn't want to see another damn Alabama/Clemson championship game. People who were fatigued over Ohio State were unfair to them.

Alabama has the most championships, but Ohio St. has been the top program since the BCS era. They have been in the hunt nearly every single year. Ohio St. getting in with special rules and only 6 games was a threat to college football.

Ohio St has been the top program in the BCS/CFP era? Yes they have 10 more wins, but Alabama has 6 titles to only 2 for Ohio St. That is way more important than 10 wins.

I do agree Ohio St getting in this year was problematic and probably a lot of folks tuned out as a result.

You just proved my point
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(01-13-2021 01:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 11:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 10:48 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(01-13-2021 10:30 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  That being said, I do think there’s some Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson fatigue settling in with the CFP that’s an issue outside of the pandemic (as we have discussed in the 8-team playoff threads).

Ohio State hasn't made the championship game in 6 years (first year of the CFP, 2014 season, January 2015) and hasn't played Alabama since the Sugar Bowl New Year's Day 2015. They didn't even make the Playoff two of the last four years. Fans shouldn't be as sick of Ohio State as they are of Alabama and Clemson. I thought Ohio State "saved" college football this year. I didn't want to see another damn Alabama/Clemson championship game. People who were fatigued over Ohio State were unfair to them.

Alabama has the most championships, but Ohio St. has been the top program since the BCS era. They have been in the hunt nearly every single year. Ohio St. getting in with special rules and only 6 games was a threat to college football.

Ohio St has been the top program in the BCS/CFP era? Yes they have 10 more wins, but Alabama has 6 titles to only 2 for Ohio St. That is way more important than 10 wins.

I do agree Ohio St getting in this year was problematic and probably a lot of folks tuned out as a result.
Folks tune out because they're tired of the same team winning all the time. I heard from a lot of people that they were done with the NFL last year if the Patriots won again. I imagine you're seeing a decline in viewership outside of the Deep South. If college football's going to be as regional as college baseball or wrestling, then why bother watching if you're outside of said region?

The Pac-12 in particular, but the Big 12 and Big 10 are getting to be like the MAC, where you're just playing for a conference title and hoping good things happen after that. You can't compete with the South and ESPN spending fall Saturdays giving weekly recruiting pitches for the SEC.
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Same teams--- too late on weeknight---games too long.

P.S.-- IMO if game was on ABC you would have had a few more viewers. Why? More incidental non-sports or passive sports fans running across the game. Some people(general public) rarely check sports channels.
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What if the Basketball Championship was Duke and Kansas year after year ...??? Would You watch ...???


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IMO, the main reason for the tanking rating was playing the game the day after a weekend of NFL playoff games. All of the sports world focus and chatter on Monday was on those games. Sucked the oxygen out of the room.
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(01-13-2021 06:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the main reason for the tanking rating was playing the game the day after a weekend of NFL playoff games. All of the sports world focus and chatter on Monday was on those games. Sucked the oxygen out of the room.

But the CFP Championship Game is the day after NFL playoff games every year (or almost every year). This is the first year of "Super Wild Card" weekend where there were three games on Sunday, maybe that had an effect.
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RE: Guess the TV rating for Alabama-Ohio State
(01-13-2021 06:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the main reason for the tanking rating was playing the game the day after a weekend of NFL playoff games. All of the sports world focus and chatter on Monday was on those games. Sucked the oxygen out of the room.

Well there was a lot of political news too sucking the air out of everything.
01-13-2021 07:19 PM
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RE: Guess the TV rating for Alabama-Ohio State
(01-13-2021 03:07 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  There wasn't a marquee QB featured in these games. I don't think Lawrence would have made a difference due to the saturation of Clemson. I also agree that they have to get off Monday night. I was so crapped out with football and all the NFL head coaching firings coming out the following Monday that I forgot the title game was happening until deep into the 1st half. I tuned into ESPN Gamecast and the score was already out of hand. Didn't watch a minute of it aside from highlights of Smith.

Really? Fields is projected top 5 in the NFL Draft.
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