(01-04-2021 09:47 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  Who knew Cincinnati and Temple would be a drag on NET for the conference?

We were just doing our part to get Jank fired.

(01-08-2021 12:03 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Son much for no big swings in the NET. 20 point jump by UC after last night. Could get another big bump on Sunday.

It's still early so big swings can happen.

There are also vast differences between number of games played. Some teams have three or four games some have twelve or thirteen. Depending on who you played and who they played their numbers may jump which will move your numbers some too.

Also this is a ranking based on a rating. So if ten teams are within a point of each other on rating, a good win may only improve your rating two points but you may move up twelve spots with your ranking, jumping those ten and then a couple more.

(01-04-2021 09:47 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  Who knew Cincinnati and Temple would be a drag on NET for the conference?

One of Temple's problems is that, while Coach McKie has many of the required skills to be a fine Head Coach, he hasn't yet come to grips with the fact that, due in part to his teams have had an ongoing injury problem.

One of the main problems the team had last season was that too many key players were hobbled by injuries, most of which occurred during practices and scrimmages.

For example, one of Temple's best players last season had a severe eye injury during practice at the beginning of conference play. Eye injuries during practice are relatively rare and very preventable. by taking measures such as holding whistled/refereed scrimmages.

As an unfortunate consequence, the Owls went on to lose a long string of games. Despite starting out with an 8-3 record, the team ended the season 14-17.

It has just been announced that the second player this season has gone down with what appears to be a season-ending knee injury. Both took place during the pre-season, presumably during practice scrimmages.

Two players have underperformed after shoulder injuries that required surgery. One of these players has reinjured his shoulders more than once and has barely played this season. The other has played ineffectively

Another player has been unable to play, to date, due to a hamstring injury. Based on the fact that multiple players have been reinjured over the past two seasons, it would not be surprising if the player with the hamstring injury is rushed back into action too soon and ends up with a reaggravated hamstring injury

Altogether, 2 of the players who were expected to give the team a much-needed boost this season have had severe knee injuries, while a third has not been able to play yet and may only be able to play for limited stretches to prevent re-injury.

.

Since Coach McKie will only have a few years to get the team back on track, he won't have the luxury to delay taking action to minimize injuries too much longer.

He's going to need to take steps, soon to reduce injuries. Various types of prosthetics, such as knee braces can be invaluable, as can refereed practices, ensuring trimmed nails, discouraging PFs and physical contact, etc.

(01-08-2021 12:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-08-2021 12:03 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Son much for no big swings in the NET. 20 point jump by UC after last night. Could get another big bump on Sunday.

It's still early so big swings can happen.

There are also vast differences between number of games played. Some teams have three or four games some have twelve or thirteen. Depending on who you played and who they played their numbers may jump which will move your numbers some too.

Also this is a ranking based on a rating. So if ten teams are within a point of each other on rating, a good win may only improve your rating two points but you may move up twelve spots with your ranking, jumping those ten and then a couple more.

After jumping 20 spots with the win Thursday, this morning UC jumped another 18 spots without playing.

Win tomorrow and UC could go from #146 to the 80’s in just 4 days.

I really don’t get the NET. Like houston is good but do we have a better resume than Texas??

(01-10-2021 01:29 AM)vcoog Wrote:  I really don’t get the NET. Like houston is good but do we have a better resume than Texas??

net is more than resume... half the equation is how you do in those game

(01-10-2021 01:38 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-10-2021 01:29 AM)vcoog Wrote:  I really don’t get the NET. Like houston is good but do we have a better resume than Texas??

net is more than resume... half the equation is how you do in those game

Or at least some percentage of it is. They are very coy with the formula for NET. Hard to say exactly what goes into it. It's kind of a mess, but with enough data by the end of the year has typically been ok (and better than RPI). I have no idea how its going to do this year with such an abbreviated and odd nonconference.

(01-10-2021 01:29 AM)vcoog Wrote:  I really don’t get the NET. Like houston is good but do we have a better resume than Texas??

NET isn't suppose to just rank teams on how good they are for seeding. It's used to rank teams to decide if they are a good win or not for other teams, then they use that data combined with all the other crap they wanna throw in to seed teams.

Yes I realize that seems very backwards and only half makes sense as you can be a "good win" for another team, yet not good enough of a team to make it in...

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UC's magical run is going to give Tulsa another Q1 win.

(01-05-2021 11:14 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Watch out, Bichez...if UC loses its road games at SMU and Wichita this week we will likely drop below #160 and will then count as a Q4 game. Woot!

Kick out Cincy add Dayton!

(01-10-2021 11:59 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-10-2021 01:38 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-10-2021 01:29 AM)vcoog Wrote:  I really don’t get the NET. Like houston is good but do we have a better resume than Texas??

net is more than resume... half the equation is how you do in those game

Or at least some percentage of it is. They are very coy with the formula for NET. Hard to say exactly what goes into it. It's kind of a mess, but with enough data by the end of the year has typically been ok (and better than RPI). I have no idea how its going to do this year with such an abbreviated and odd nonconference.

They're reluctant to talk about their formula because it has been subjected to so much criticism, for two main reasons:

1) Most importantly, unlike the RPI, the numbers can't be generated automatically applying a single formula, available to everyone, which can be checked and independently verified.

--Why? Because the numbers in the formula aren't all objective data. There is a subjective factor, as well, and it's not trivial. Thus, the same kind of criticism that's leveled at the CFP and NCAA selection committees has been leveled at the people who give us the NET.

--Who benefits the most from having this subjective factor in the formula? The P5 and Big East, of course.

2) Another problem with the formula is that it allows schools to get an additional boost in ratings if they win their games by larger than average margins.

--This rewards teams for running up the score when they are ahead late in a game, and for scheduling OOC games against teams that they can beat by large margins.

(01-09-2021 04:57 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 09:47 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  Who knew Cincinnati and Temple would be a drag on NET for the conference?

One of Temple's problems is that, while Coach McKie has many of the required skills to be a fine Head Coach, he hasn't yet come to grips with the fact that, due in part to his teams have had an ongoing injury problem.

One of the main problems the team had last season was that too many key players were hobbled by injuries, most of which occurred during practices and scrimmages.

For example, one of Temple's best players last season had a severe eye injury during practice at the beginning of conference play. Eye injuries during practice are relatively rare and very preventable. by taking measures such as holding whistled/refereed scrimmages.

As an unfortunate consequence, the Owls went on to lose a long string of games. Despite starting out with an 8-3 record, the team ended the season 14-17.

It has just been announced that the second player this season has gone down with what appears to be a season-ending knee injury. Both took place during the pre-season, presumably during practice scrimmages.

Two players have underperformed after shoulder injuries that required surgery. One of these players has reinjured his shoulders more than once and has barely played this season. The other has played ineffectively

Another player has been unable to play, to date, due to a hamstring injury. Based on the fact that multiple players have been reinjured over the past two seasons, it would not be surprising if the player with the hamstring injury is rushed back into action too soon and ends up with a reaggravated hamstring injury

Altogether, 2 of the players who were expected to give the team a much-needed boost this season have had severe knee injuries, while a third has not been able to play yet and may only be able to play for limited stretches to prevent re-injury.

.

Since Coach McKie will only have a few years to get the team back on track, he won't have the luxury to delay taking action to minimize injuries too much longer.

He's going to need to take steps, soon to reduce injuries. Various types of prosthetics, such as knee braces can be invaluable, as can refereed practices, ensuring trimmed nails, discouraging PFs and physical contact, etc.

This is the single stupidest thing I have ever read on the internet.

(01-11-2021 03:03 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-10-2021 11:59 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-10-2021 01:38 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-10-2021 01:29 AM)vcoog Wrote:  I really don’t get the NET. Like houston is good but do we have a better resume than Texas??

net is more than resume... half the equation is how you do in those game

Or at least some percentage of it is. They are very coy with the formula for NET. Hard to say exactly what goes into it. It's kind of a mess, but with enough data by the end of the year has typically been ok (and better than RPI). I have no idea how its going to do this year with such an abbreviated and odd nonconference.

They're reluctant to talk about their formula because it has been subjected to so much criticism, for two main reasons:

1) Most importantly, unlike the RPI, the numbers can't be generated automatically applying a single formula, available to everyone, which can be checked and independently verified.

--Why? Because the numbers in the formula aren't all objective data. There is a subjective factor, as well, and it's not trivial. Thus, the same kind of criticism that's leveled at the CFP and NCAA selection committees has been leveled at the people who give us the NET.

--Who benefits the most from having this subjective factor in the formula? The P5 and Big East, of course.

2) Another problem with the formula is that it allows schools to get an additional boost in ratings if they win their games by larger than average margins.

--This rewards teams for running up the score when they are ahead late in a game, and for scheduling OOC games against teams that they can beat by large margins.

The “black box” part of the formula leads to legitimate concerns about the NET’s integrity. The sports media, normally howling for transparency, is oddly silent. SMH.

(01-04-2021 01:43 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 12:13 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 09:47 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  Who knew Cincinnati and Temple would be a drag on NET for the conference?

I did, that is what a bad coaching hire will do in any sport.

I think it is way early to say McKie was a bad hire. Year 1 started great, playing over their heads a bit, but collapsed due in part to injuries, team dissension and change of culture. McKie will get at least 2 more years to prove himself. If by then things aren’t changing, or are changing too slowly, then I might agree. But Temple basketball is in rebuild/re-culture mode, and additionally, doing so in a pandemic.

I totally agree that Coach Mckie will be fine. Give him a fair chance to build the program with his stamp on it.

(01-11-2021 11:51 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 04:57 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 09:47 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  Who knew Cincinnati and Temple would be a drag on NET for the conference?

One of Temple's problems is that, while Coach McKie has many of the required skills to be a fine Head Coach, he hasn't yet come to grips with the fact that, due in part to his teams have had an ongoing injury problem.

One of the main problems the team had last season was that too many key players were hobbled by injuries, most of which occurred during practices and scrimmages.

For example, one of Temple's best players last season had a severe eye injury during practice at the beginning of conference play. Eye injuries during practice are relatively rare and very preventable. by taking measures such as holding whistled/refereed scrimmages.

As an unfortunate consequence, the Owls went on to lose a long string of games. Despite starting out with an 8-3 record, the team ended the season 14-17.

It has just been announced that the second player this season has gone down with what appears to be a season-ending knee injury. Both took place during the pre-season, presumably during practice scrimmages.

Two players have underperformed after shoulder injuries that required surgery. One of these players has reinjured his shoulders more than once and has barely played this season. The other has played ineffectively

Another player has been unable to play, to date, due to a hamstring injury. Based on the fact that multiple players have been reinjured over the past two seasons, it would not be surprising if the player with the hamstring injury is rushed back into action too soon and ends up with a reaggravated hamstring injury

Altogether, 2 of the players who were expected to give the team a much-needed boost this season have had severe knee injuries, while a third has not been able to play yet and may only be able to play for limited stretches to prevent re-injury.

.

Since Coach McKie will only have a few years to get the team back on track, he won't have the luxury to delay taking action to minimize injuries too much longer.

He's going to need to take steps, soon to reduce injuries. Various types of prosthetics, such as knee braces can be invaluable, as can refereed practices, ensuring trimmed nails, discouraging PFs and physical contact, etc.

This is the single stupidest thing I have ever read on the internet.

Definitely in his top 5, which like the Dude's ranking as laziest man in LA County puts him up there in the running for the world title.

Updated for 1/14 - We now have 5 teams that are considered Q1 Road games .. only 1 that is a Q1 Home game.

(01-11-2021 02:18 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-11-2021 11:51 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(01-09-2021 04:57 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 09:47 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  Who knew Cincinnati and Temple would be a drag on NET for the conference?

One of Temple's problems is that, while Coach McKie has many of the required skills to be a fine Head Coach, he hasn't yet come to grips with the fact that, due in part to his teams have had an ongoing injury problem.

One of the main problems the team had last season was that too many key players were hobbled by injuries, most of which occurred during practices and scrimmages.

For example, one of Temple's best players last season had a severe eye injury during practice at the beginning of conference play. Eye injuries during practice are relatively rare and very preventable. by taking measures such as holding whistled/refereed scrimmages.

As an unfortunate consequence, the Owls went on to lose a long string of games. Despite starting out with an 8-3 record, the team ended the season 14-17.

It has just been announced that the second player this season has gone down with what appears to be a season-ending knee injury. Both took place during the pre-season, presumably during practice scrimmages.

Two players have underperformed after shoulder injuries that required surgery. One of these players has reinjured his shoulders more than once and has barely played this season. The other has played ineffectively

Another player has been unable to play, to date, due to a hamstring injury. Based on the fact that multiple players have been reinjured over the past two seasons, it would not be surprising if the player with the hamstring injury is rushed back into action too soon and ends up with a reaggravated hamstring injury

Altogether, 2 of the players who were expected to give the team a much-needed boost this season have had severe knee injuries, while a third has not been able to play yet and may only be able to play for limited stretches to prevent re-injury.

.

Since Coach McKie will only have a few years to get the team back on track, he won't have the luxury to delay taking action to minimize injuries too much longer.

He's going to need to take steps, soon to reduce injuries. Various types of prosthetics, such as knee braces can be invaluable, as can refereed practices, ensuring trimmed nails, discouraging PFs and physical contact, etc.

This is the single stupidest thing I have ever read on the internet.

Definitely in his top 5, which like the Dude's ranking as laziest man in LA County puts him up there in the running for the world title.

He’s the worst spammer on the board. He knows nothing about sports either. He writes fake essays in school probably, pages full of words that mean absolutely nothing. He’s also a liar.

Updated 1/15 - Temple Jumps up, UCF falls. WSU moves to Top 50

Memphis hasn't played in 17 days, and during that time, we dropped from #96 to #107.

(01-15-2021 12:14 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Memphis hasn't played in 17 days, and during that time, we dropped from #96 to #107.

In general the teams you've played haven't done well in that time frame. Since you last played:
St Mary's: 1 win, 2 losses
WKU: 2 wins, 2 losses
VCU: 2 wins, 1 Loss
Ark St: 2 Losses
C Ark: 2 wins 2 losses
MVS: 0 wins, 2 losses
Auburn: 1 win, 4 losses
Tulane: 1 win, 1 loss
Tulsa: 2 wins, 1 loss
USF: 2 wins, 1 loss

So every team you've played as dropped at least 1 game and up to 4 games.