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RE: Another sad showing by AAC
(01-04-2021 02:59 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This argument never ceases to make me chuckle. Of course, this year's Cincy and Coastal Carolina teams (hypothetically) would not have done as well with an SEC schedule. But give a handful of select G5 programs membership to a power league and let them "recruit up" for a few years and perhaps they would do fairly well at that point. That is the "better hypothetical" to use because it provides context. The tired, generic point some of you make ... not so much.

I'm in a foul state given Cincy, Indiana and North Carolina lost their respective bowl games and, as such, I can't do something outlandish to celebrate what I was hoping would be three victories. We could have had on this board photos of Bill Dazzle in a compromised situation involving juggling torches, small mammals, S&M garb and Chinese folk music. This is the most significant "loss" related to the bowls. I feel badly for you lads for not getting to experience this.
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(01-04-2021 02:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:18 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  Troll thread.

The AAC consistently produces a champion on the same level of other P5 champions.

The past three years, the top G5 team has lost to the 4th place SEC team, the 3rd place B1G team and the 4th place SEC team, respectively in NY6 bowls. That's not really showing you are on the same level as a P5 champion.

The push for 5/1/2 is IMO primarily an AAC push, as the AAC stands to benefit far more than any other conference. It would mean that probably 4 years in 5, the AAC places a team in the playoffs. Other G5 will go many years without getting in (no SBC or CUSA team has made the NY6 in seven years) so would be IMO fools to agree to this. Among the P5, the PAC would also benefit, as they struggle to get their champ in the current CFP. But that's about it.

I would argue that teams like Oklahoma, Texas A&M, and Georgia, would benefit just as much from a 5th conference champ and two at-large's getting in as the AAC compared to the current situation.

Compared to a 5-3, the AAC benefits most.

From a 10-0-0, Texas A&M and Georgia would benefit the most.
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(01-04-2021 02:59 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This argument never ceases to make me chuckle. Of course, this year's Cincy and Coastal Carolina teams (hypothetically) would not have done as well with an SEC schedule. But give a handful of select G5 programs membership to a power league and let them "recruit up" for a few years and perhaps they would do fairly well at that point. That is the "better hypothetical" to use because it provides context. The tired, generic point some of you make ... not so much.

With all due respect, I've never understood the "well if my school was allowed in to the SEC then we'd recruit better, draw more fans, etc.". Sure, but so what? If Bill Gates adopted me I'd suddenly be a lot richer too, for whatever that's worth.

In these discussions, we are talking about the actual real-world talent and ability of schools as they are, not what they would be if God suddenly smiled on them.
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RE: Another sad showing by AAC
(01-04-2021 01:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 01:40 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Losing by 3 points to Georgia by their champ is miles more impressive than a champ losing by 3 to a 3rd year FBS program. Does anyone really believe Liberty would have stayed within 2 or 3 scores of Georgia. I don't. Maybe I am wrong, but I see Liberty and Coastal losing by 10-17 to Georgia.

On the eyeball test, Coastal Carolina and Liberty would only be mid-level in the SEC and Big 12. Yes, #2 Sun Belt ULL did beat Iowa St. and Arkansas St. beat Kansas St., but it was in the first week. Coastal Carolina did beat last place Kansas of the Big 12 by 15. But everyone in the Big 12 but Texas Tech beat Kansas by at least 21 and 6 of their 8 conference losses were by over 30. All but Texas Tech scored as many against Kansas as CCU and nobody gave up more points.

So I agree with you. CCU and Liberty could do well, but weren't quite at Cincinnati's level on a consistent basis.

Georgia has a lot of talent. They just do. Unless there was something fluky happening, I see Georgia beating both Coastal and Liberty by 2-3 scores. And both Coastal and Liberty are good. Really good. They just don't have the overall talent of a Georgia.

Cincinnati losing by 3 on basically a last second FG to Georgia is not an indication of the AAC being bad. If anything, it indicates the AAC champ is good. Georgia is just good. I was very impressed with the amount of big bodies they ran at Cincinnati at a variety of positions. I feel like Cincinnati would have been an upper level SEC team this year, if they had played an SEC schedule all year.
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(01-04-2021 03:48 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:59 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This argument never ceases to make me chuckle. Of course, this year's Cincy and Coastal Carolina teams (hypothetically) would not have done as well with an SEC schedule. But give a handful of select G5 programs membership to a power league and let them "recruit up" for a few years and perhaps they would do fairly well at that point. That is the "better hypothetical" to use because it provides context. The tired, generic point some of you make ... not so much.

I'm in a foul state given Cincy, Indiana and North Carolina lost their respective bowl games and, as such, I can't do something outlandish to celebrate what I was hoping would be three victories. We could have had on this board photos of Bill Dazzle in a compromised situation involving juggling torches, small mammals, S&M garb and Chinese folk music. This is the most significant "loss" related to the bowls. I feel badly for you lads for not getting to experience this.
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RE: Another sad showing by AAC
(01-04-2021 04:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:59 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This argument never ceases to make me chuckle. Of course, this year's Cincy and Coastal Carolina teams (hypothetically) would not have done as well with an SEC schedule. But give a handful of select G5 programs membership to a power league and let them "recruit up" for a few years and perhaps they would do fairly well at that point. That is the "better hypothetical" to use because it provides context. The tired, generic point some of you make ... not so much.

With all due respect, I've never understood the "well if my school was allowed in to the SEC then we'd recruit better, draw more fans, etc.". Sure, but so what? If Bill Gates adopted me I'd suddenly be a lot richer too, for whatever that's worth.

In these discussions, we are talking about the actual real-world talent and ability of schools as they are, not what they would be if God suddenly smiled on them.


My good man ...

1. I did not contend "my G5 schools" (Memphis and Cincy) would automatically (as you perhaps thought I did) recruit better, draw more fans, etc. I simply noted that a select few G5 programs (and I feel your USF is one and UC and UM are two others) could actually do fairly well IF invited to a P5 league and given some time. Louisville is a solid example of this in the ACC.

2. I did not suggest that I feel Memphis and Cincinnati are deserving of being invited to a P5. I have been very clear on this board that both UC and UM have various shortcomings and challenges that make them less then fully attractive to the Big 12. So please don't lump me in with other G5 fans who you feel post messages that suggest they feel their G5 schools are deserving of P5 status, acceptance, respect, etc.

3. I'm disappointed you failed to counter my S&M garb reference.

Good day.
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I'm more disappointed with the MWC bowl showing. After the Nevada and Hawaii wins I was expecting a sweep but SJSU had problems preparing for their matchup with Ball State and got dominated. Credit to the Cardinals for doing the MAC proud.
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(01-03-2021 12:00 PM)westwolf Wrote:  Only win by Memphis; Cincy folded in 2nd half. P6 my a**.

That is one of the strongest arguments for bolstering the AAC by adding a quality FB school like Boise State, which the AAC leadership has elected to do, if only they can find a conference for their BB and olympic sports.
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RE: Another sad showing by AAC
(01-04-2021 04:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:59 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This argument never ceases to make me chuckle. Of course, this year's Cincy and Coastal Carolina teams (hypothetically) would not have done as well with an SEC schedule. But give a handful of select G5 programs membership to a power league and let them "recruit up" for a few years and perhaps they would do fairly well at that point. That is the "better hypothetical" to use because it provides context. The tired, generic point some of you make ... not so much.

With all due respect, I've never understood the "well if my school was allowed in to the SEC then we'd recruit better, draw more fans, etc.". Sure, but so what? If Bill Gates adopted me I'd suddenly be a lot richer too, for whatever that's worth.

In these discussions, we are talking about the actual real-world talent and ability of schools as they are, not what they would be if God suddenly smiled on them.

And the reality is that there are only about a dozen of those schools that could be Texas Tech level even with membership in the P5.
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(01-05-2021 12:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:59 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This argument never ceases to make me chuckle. Of course, this year's Cincy and Coastal Carolina teams (hypothetically) would not have done as well with an SEC schedule. But give a handful of select G5 programs membership to a power league and let them "recruit up" for a few years and perhaps they would do fairly well at that point. That is the "better hypothetical" to use because it provides context. The tired, generic point some of you make ... not so much.

With all due respect, I've never understood the "well if my school was allowed in to the SEC then we'd recruit better, draw more fans, etc.". Sure, but so what? If Bill Gates adopted me I'd suddenly be a lot richer too, for whatever that's worth.

In these discussions, we are talking about the actual real-world talent and ability of schools as they are, not what they would be if God suddenly smiled on them.

And the reality is that there are only about a dozen of those schools that could be Texas Tech level even with membership in the P5.

I agree with that, bullet, but my overall point remains:

Sometimes posters on this board (and folks I talk to) will say essentially the following (and sometimes, though not always, a bit dismissively): "Yeah, Coastal Carolina was good this year but they were not 'SEC good.' Put them in the SEC this year and they would be exposed."

That is true — so to even make the hypothetical point is a waste of time. So, if we're going to deal in hypotheticals, let's use one that provides better context. IF, hypothetically, Colorado State (for example) joined the Big 12 and we're given time to "recruit up" and build its fan base ... it could be a better program than it is now.

The Colorado State hypothetical is more fair than the Coastal hypothetical.

I've noted this point at various times on the board and I'll stick with it.
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(01-05-2021 12:38 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 12:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:59 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This argument never ceases to make me chuckle. Of course, this year's Cincy and Coastal Carolina teams (hypothetically) would not have done as well with an SEC schedule. But give a handful of select G5 programs membership to a power league and let them "recruit up" for a few years and perhaps they would do fairly well at that point. That is the "better hypothetical" to use because it provides context. The tired, generic point some of you make ... not so much.

With all due respect, I've never understood the "well if my school was allowed in to the SEC then we'd recruit better, draw more fans, etc.". Sure, but so what? If Bill Gates adopted me I'd suddenly be a lot richer too, for whatever that's worth.

In these discussions, we are talking about the actual real-world talent and ability of schools as they are, not what they would be if God suddenly smiled on them.

And the reality is that there are only about a dozen of those schools that could be Texas Tech level even with membership in the P5.

I agree with that, bullet, but my overall point remains:

Sometimes posters on this board (and folks I talk to) will say essentially the following (and sometimes, though not always, a bit dismissively): "Yeah, Coastal Carolina was good this year but they were not 'SEC good.' Put them in the SEC this year and they would be exposed."

That is true — so to even make the hypothetical point is a waste of time. So, if we're going to deal in hypotheticals, let's use one that provides better context. IF, hypothetically, Colorado State (for example) joined the Big 12 and we're given time to "recruit up" and build its fan base ... it could be a better program than it is now.

The Colorado State hypothetical is more fair than the Coastal hypothetical.

I've noted this point at various times on the board and I'll stick with it.

Houston, from their years in the SWC, have proven they can be a mid-level power conference school and could sometimes win conference titles. There are some others who could do the same. But they are a minority of the G5. I'm not sure anyone in the MAC/CUSA/Sun Belt could. They just don't have the resources, fan base and size.
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If given access to more monetary resources, better TV exposure, higher coaches' salaries, bigger recruiting budgets and better facilities, every current G5 team could be a better program than they are now. Could they compete for conference championships in the strongest conferences? Who knows? The only current teams that we can draw conclusions from are Utah, Louisville and TCU, each of which were elevated in the last round of major realignment. The jury is still out on each, but the early verdict is probably that they can compete and sometimes succeed, but not really at the very highest levels as yet.
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RE: Another sad showing by AAC
(01-04-2021 02:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:18 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  Troll thread.

The AAC consistently produces a champion on the same level of other P5 champions.

The past three years, the top G5 team has lost to the 4th place SEC team, the 3rd place B1G team and the 4th place SEC team, respectively in NY6 bowls. That's not really showing you are on the same level as a P5 champion.

The push for 5/1/2 is IMO primarily an AAC push, as the AAC stands to benefit far more than any other conference. It would mean that probably 4 years in 5, the AAC places a team in the playoffs. Other G5 will go many years without getting in (no SBC or CUSA team has made the NY6 in seven years) so would be IMO fools to agree to this. Among the P5, the PAC would also benefit, as they struggle to get their champ in the current CFP. But that's about it.

That isn't an entirely fair argument. UCF had a bad backup QB and Memphis' coaching staff decided Florida was nicer than the Cotton Bowl. UCF with Milton or Memphis with a coaching staff probably leads to wins based on how the games actually played out. Cincy was really the only full-ish strength AAC team to play recently and they choked away a win.
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(01-05-2021 02:00 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:18 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  Troll thread.

The AAC consistently produces a champion on the same level of other P5 champions.

The past three years, the top G5 team has lost to the 4th place SEC team, the 3rd place B1G team and the 4th place SEC team, respectively in NY6 bowls. That's not really showing you are on the same level as a P5 champion.

The push for 5/1/2 is IMO primarily an AAC push, as the AAC stands to benefit far more than any other conference. It would mean that probably 4 years in 5, the AAC places a team in the playoffs. Other G5 will go many years without getting in (no SBC or CUSA team has made the NY6 in seven years) so would be IMO fools to agree to this. Among the P5, the PAC would also benefit, as they struggle to get their champ in the current CFP. But that's about it.

That isn't an entirely fair argument. UCF had a bad backup QB and Memphis' coaching staff decided Florida was nicer than the Cotton Bowl. UCF with Milton or Memphis with a coaching staff probably leads to wins based on how the games actually played out. Cincy was really the only full-ish strength AAC team to play recently and they choked away a win.

And these teams were all competitive, even if they didn't get Ws. The best AAC teams are competitive with the best P5 teams, and I would have taken Cincy over an Pac-12 school this year. That's all I was saying. I wasn't saying the AAC is a Big Ten or SEC slayer.
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(01-05-2021 02:00 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:18 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  Troll thread.

The AAC consistently produces a champion on the same level of other P5 champions.

The past three years, the top G5 team has lost to the 4th place SEC team, the 3rd place B1G team and the 4th place SEC team, respectively in NY6 bowls. That's not really showing you are on the same level as a P5 champion.

The push for 5/1/2 is IMO primarily an AAC push, as the AAC stands to benefit far more than any other conference. It would mean that probably 4 years in 5, the AAC places a team in the playoffs. Other G5 will go many years without getting in (no SBC or CUSA team has made the NY6 in seven years) so would be IMO fools to agree to this. Among the P5, the PAC would also benefit, as they struggle to get their champ in the current CFP. But that's about it.

That isn't an entirely fair argument. UCF had a bad backup QB and Memphis' coaching staff decided Florida was nicer than the Cotton Bowl. UCF with Milton or Memphis with a coaching staff probably leads to wins based on how the games actually played out. Cincy was really the only full-ish strength AAC team to play recently and they choked away a win.

Cincinnati was missing 5 players - the starting center, the starting RB, the starting strong safety (All-American James Wiggins), a starting corner (All-American Ahmad Gardner), and a backup DL who plays a lot of snaps each game rotating with the #1. When LT James Hudson was ejected from the half at the half for a targeting call they were down six players in the second half.

So no, they were not at full strength.
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(01-04-2021 11:10 AM)leofrog Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 01:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  They're bowl games. They don't count for jack unless they're the playoff games. There were players opting out right and left, being "injured," whatever...

Cracks me up that peeps brag when they win them and chastise others when they lose. Especially when they are selective with their outrage.

Like UCF claiming a bogus national championship after beating Auburn? Thanks for clearing that up.

Bragging about winning or losing some random bowl game, vs. going undefeated for a season, then beating a team in an NY6 game who had beaten a team in the playoffs, and then being certified by one poll as national champs, well, that's not exactly apples to apples.

But if you get your jollies feeling superior b/c you root for a P5 team, then go off in a corner and have at it, Jeff Toobin.
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(01-05-2021 12:57 PM)Jared7 Wrote:  If given access to more monetary resources, better TV exposure, higher coaches' salaries, bigger recruiting budgets and better facilities, every current G5 team could be a better program than they are now. Could they compete for conference championships in the strongest conferences? Who knows? The only current teams that we can draw conclusions from are Utah, Louisville and TCU, each of which were elevated in the last round of major realignment. The jury is still out on each, but the early verdict is probably that they can compete and sometimes succeed, but not really at the very highest levels as yet.

That's like saying if I had a million dollars then I could buy a bigger house. Sure I could, but how am I going to acquire a million dollars?

Such a statement makes no argument that said programs actually deserve additional monetary resources just as me playing the hypothetical about a million dollars is irrelevant to whether I actually deserve to have a million dollars in my bank account.

The point is there is no such thing as granted access or restricted access to these resources. There is no central authority that is arbitrarily deciding who gets the money and who doesn't.
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(01-04-2021 02:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:09 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(01-03-2021 01:39 PM)NJMark Wrote:  Is it supposed to prove something that the bigger brothers beat the smaller brothers?

I wonder what might happen if the AAC had anywhere close to the same financial resources as the P5.

To be fair, the P5 has earned their power. But the current system prevents anyone else from earning it too.

There's nothing preventing the AAC from having more resources.

Resources have to be created. They are not doled out by a central authority.

The market has determined that the AAC programs are not as attractive to fans and donors. That could change in time, but these programs have to achieve it themselves.

Power schools get more TV revenue because their products are more attractive and thus draw more eyeballs...that makes them more attractive to TV networks because they need eyeballs to make money.

And it's not nearly as much about TV money as people think. TV revenue is less than half of what the typical Power program takes in. The monetary disparities would be just as significant if ESPN or the like didn't exist. In fact, large checks from TV companies are a relatively new thing in and of itself.

That's true for the top 2/3 of the P5. Its not true for Washington St. and the like.

Washington State and the like got grandfathered in, I suppose. That's true as far as the current power structure, but even their resources are limited to what they can produce. The only caveat is they receive a disproportionate amount of TV revenue, but they are still poor compared to their peers.

Nonetheless, this reality does not prevent AAC schools or others from attaining equivalent or better resources. There is no entity out there giving away free money to some and randomly deciding some others shouldn't have it. There are no gatekeepers. The economics are organic.

Now, in the event we have schools that ascend economically, they will likely be welcomed into the P5 club. We can discuss the implications of being absorbed by the club as opposed to ascending in opposition to the club, which ironically is something that Notre Dame did generations ago. Either way, there's no system in place to arbitrarily reward some and punish others.
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(01-05-2021 05:07 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:09 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(01-03-2021 01:39 PM)NJMark Wrote:  Is it supposed to prove something that the bigger brothers beat the smaller brothers?

I wonder what might happen if the AAC had anywhere close to the same financial resources as the P5.

To be fair, the P5 has earned their power. But the current system prevents anyone else from earning it too.

There's nothing preventing the AAC from having more resources.

Resources have to be created. They are not doled out by a central authority.

The market has determined that the AAC programs are not as attractive to fans and donors. That could change in time, but these programs have to achieve it themselves.

Power schools get more TV revenue because their products are more attractive and thus draw more eyeballs...that makes them more attractive to TV networks because they need eyeballs to make money.

And it's not nearly as much about TV money as people think. TV revenue is less than half of what the typical Power program takes in. The monetary disparities would be just as significant if ESPN or the like didn't exist. In fact, large checks from TV companies are a relatively new thing in and of itself.

That's true for the top 2/3 of the P5. Its not true for Washington St. and the like.

Washington State and the like got grandfathered in, I suppose. That's true as far as the current power structure, but even their resources are limited to what they can produce. The only caveat is they receive a disproportionate amount of TV revenue, but they are still poor compared to their peers.

Nonetheless, this reality does not prevent AAC schools or others from attaining equivalent or better resources. There is no entity out there giving away free money to some and randomly deciding some others shouldn't have it. There are no gatekeepers. The economics are organic.

Now, in the event we have schools that ascend economically, they will likely be welcomed into the P5 club. We can discuss the implications of being absorbed by the club as opposed to ascending in opposition to the club, which ironically is something that Notre Dame did generations ago. Either way, there's no system in place to arbitrarily reward some and punish others.

Roughly 15 years ago there was no barrier. The Pac 12 distributed $2.5 million to Washington St. when the Big East schools were getting a little over $1 million. USC was only getting about $7.5 million.

But now the gap is $20 million or more from the conference in addition to local resources.
01-05-2021 06:01 PM
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RE: Another sad showing by AAC
(01-05-2021 12:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 12:38 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(01-05-2021 12:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:59 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This argument never ceases to make me chuckle. Of course, this year's Cincy and Coastal Carolina teams (hypothetically) would not have done as well with an SEC schedule. But give a handful of select G5 programs membership to a power league and let them "recruit up" for a few years and perhaps they would do fairly well at that point. That is the "better hypothetical" to use because it provides context. The tired, generic point some of you make ... not so much.

With all due respect, I've never understood the "well if my school was allowed in to the SEC then we'd recruit better, draw more fans, etc.". Sure, but so what? If Bill Gates adopted me I'd suddenly be a lot richer too, for whatever that's worth.

In these discussions, we are talking about the actual real-world talent and ability of schools as they are, not what they would be if God suddenly smiled on them.

And the reality is that there are only about a dozen of those schools that could be Texas Tech level even with membership in the P5.

I agree with that, bullet, but my overall point remains:

Sometimes posters on this board (and folks I talk to) will say essentially the following (and sometimes, though not always, a bit dismissively): "Yeah, Coastal Carolina was good this year but they were not 'SEC good.' Put them in the SEC this year and they would be exposed."

That is true — so to even make the hypothetical point is a waste of time. So, if we're going to deal in hypotheticals, let's use one that provides better context. IF, hypothetically, Colorado State (for example) joined the Big 12 and we're given time to "recruit up" and build its fan base ... it could be a better program than it is now.

The Colorado State hypothetical is more fair than the Coastal hypothetical.

I've noted this point at various times on the board and I'll stick with it.

Houston, from their years in the SWC, have proven they can be a mid-level power conference school and could sometimes win conference titles. There are some others who could do the same. But they are a minority of the G5. I'm not sure anyone in the MAC/CUSA/Sun Belt could. They just don't have the resources, fan base and size.


Houston is an excellent example. I agree.

I also agree that the most football programs in the MAC, C-USA and Belt simply are not as suited for a call-up as some programs in the MWC and AAC.
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