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(01-06-2021 01:42 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 12:40 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  They can if it makes them feel better, but the juice still wasn't worth the squeeze and who cares? Isn't that just an argument that 10 years ago they had the money and now they don't? That's like the Jets arguing they have a great franchise because they won Super Bowl IV. Bottom line is right now we are so broke we opted out of playing an entire season of football and all of our programs that anyone gives a hoot about are likely in the bottom half of one of the worst conferences in the country.

So we opted out due to financial concerns and not safety concerns?

Pretty sure that is the case. We are playing basketball right now, and the COVID landscape is worse than it was when they decided to cancel football.

We couldn't even practice with a full team (less than half) in football when the season started. That isn't a problem in basketball. Its much easier to keep 20 people safe than 125.

I have no doubt that financial concerns and safety concerns were both factors whether they will admit it or not. I think the argument is which was the bigger factor. Because the decision was made before the conference made a decision and laid out their safety plan, I think that financial concerns were the driver. With basketball, I don’t know when the decision was made to play but they certainly didn’t opt out before the conference laid out their plan.

Is it possible setting Ricky Rhane for success played a role in the decision? Perhaps they knew we would suck in football this season, and now that RR has some better recruits and transfers he has a chance to win a few his first season? Whereas in basketball we were expected to be a great team and make some noise (oops) so we pulled out all the stops to make it happen.

(01-06-2021 01:42 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 12:40 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  They can if it makes them feel better, but the juice still wasn't worth the squeeze and who cares? Isn't that just an argument that 10 years ago they had the money and now they don't? That's like the Jets arguing they have a great franchise because they won Super Bowl IV. Bottom line is right now we are so broke we opted out of playing an entire season of football and all of our programs that anyone gives a hoot about are likely in the bottom half of one of the worst conferences in the country.

So we opted out due to financial concerns and not safety concerns?

Pretty sure that is the case. We are playing basketball right now, and the COVID landscape is worse than it was when they decided to cancel football.

We couldn't even practice with a full team (less than half) in football when the season started. That isn't a problem in basketball. Its much easier to keep 20 people safe than 125.

I have no doubt that financial concerns and safety concerns were both factors whether they will admit it or not. I think the argument is which was the bigger factor. Because the decision was made before the conference made a decision and laid out their safety plan, I think that financial concerns were the driver. With basketball, I don’t know when the decision was made to play but they certainly didn’t opt out before the conference laid out their plan.

I have not doubt both were considered. Just pointing out the fallacy is assuming that safety was of no concern.

(01-06-2021 02:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:42 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So we opted out due to financial concerns and not safety concerns?

Pretty sure that is the case. We are playing basketball right now, and the COVID landscape is worse than it was when they decided to cancel football.

We couldn't even practice with a full team (less than half) in football when the season started. That isn't a problem in basketball. Its much easier to keep 20 people safe than 125.

I have no doubt that financial concerns and safety concerns were both factors whether they will admit it or not. I think the argument is which was the bigger factor. Because the decision was made before the conference made a decision and laid out their safety plan, I think that financial concerns were the driver. With basketball, I don’t know when the decision was made to play but they certainly didn’t opt out before the conference laid out their plan.

Is it possible setting Ricky Rhane for success played a role in the decision? Perhaps they knew we would suck in football this season, and now that RR has some better recruits and transfers he has a chance to win a few his first season? Whereas in basketball we were expected to be a great team and make some noise (oops) so we pulled out all the stops to make it happen.

It's certainly possible. There are some on here who believe that not playing actually puts us at an advantage due to giving Rhane more time to practice with the team and make preparations that a normal spring season would have provided. I'm undecided on that but I'd sure like to believe it's true. I don't have the optimistic view that we will have a winning record next season but I predict we will have more than 1 win so it should be an improvement.

(01-06-2021 01:40 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Help me understand. Moving to FBS was the wrong decision but staying in FCS would have also been wrong? What was the correct action going forward in 2012?

Hindsight is 20/20. It was the wrong decision, though most of us, myself included, supported the move at the time. It is leadership's job to have the foresight.

(01-06-2021 03:01 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:42 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So we opted out due to financial concerns and not safety concerns?

Pretty sure that is the case. We are playing basketball right now, and the COVID landscape is worse than it was when they decided to cancel football.

We couldn't even practice with a full team (less than half) in football when the season started. That isn't a problem in basketball. Its much easier to keep 20 people safe than 125.

I have no doubt that financial concerns and safety concerns were both factors whether they will admit it or not. I think the argument is which was the bigger factor. Because the decision was made before the conference made a decision and laid out their safety plan, I think that financial concerns were the driver. With basketball, I don’t know when the decision was made to play but they certainly didn’t opt out before the conference laid out their plan.

I have not doubt both were considered. Just pointing out the fallacy is assuming that safety was of no concern.

Safety was a concern in the public relations and less so in reality. Unlike a lot of the schools acting in abundance of caution because of safety concerns that never opened or shut down quickly after opening, ODU opened its dorms and campus to in-person instruction and stayed open. They didn't risk losing more people to gap years that weren't going to pay tuition for online only because they were concerned with their safety. It was a PR stunt to cover up financial woes.

At least this guy wasn't still coaching for us:

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colle...dQ8hATIZqk

I hope Selig and Bourne are on the phone with each other trying to figure out a home for both ODU and JMU sports. The CAA sucks.

(01-08-2021 03:44 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I hope Selig and Bourne are on the phone with each other trying to figure out a home for both ODU and JMU sports. The CAA sucks.

Ditto. As long as it has high quality basketball, games on tv and some regional interest, Im happy. I wouldnt mind sticking with Marshall too. They've shown they can put together a decent basketball team if they want to. Add Liberty (I know, I know) and you've got a pretty decent 4 to start with.

Or, perhaps the rumors are true and WM, SB & Albany leave the CAA. Boot out Elon, Hofstra and NE and make Towson and UD move up to FBS.

FBS football: ODU, JMU, LU, Towson, Delaware, Marshall, Charlotte, WKU
Basketball, ODU, JMU, Liberty, Towson, Delaware, Marshall, Charlotte, Charleston, Drexel, UNCW, WKU

Maybe we can bring along App St and MTSU too.

(01-08-2021 04:01 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-08-2021 03:44 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I hope Selig and Bourne are on the phone with each other trying to figure out a home for both ODU and JMU sports. The CAA sucks.

Ditto. As long as it has high quality basketball, games on tv and some regional interest, Im happy. I wouldnt mind sticking with Marshall too. They've shown they can put together a decent basketball team if they want to. Add Liberty (I know, I know) and you've got a pretty decent 4 to start with.

Or, perhaps the rumors are true and WM, SB & Albany leave the CAA. Boot out Elon, Hofstra and NE and make Towson and UD move up to FBS.

FBS football: ODU, JMU, LU, Towson, Delaware, Marshall, Charlotte, WKU
Basketball, ODU, JMU, Liberty, Towson, Delaware, Marshall, Charlotte, Charleston, Drexel, UNCW, Towson

Maybe we can bring along App St and MTSU too.

That is one of the most palatable proposals I have actually seen on this board.

(01-08-2021 04:07 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-08-2021 04:01 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-08-2021 03:44 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I hope Selig and Bourne are on the phone with each other trying to figure out a home for both ODU and JMU sports. The CAA sucks.

Ditto. As long as it has high quality basketball, games on tv and some regional interest, Im happy. I wouldnt mind sticking with Marshall too. They've shown they can put together a decent basketball team if they want to. Add Liberty (I know, I know) and you've got a pretty decent 4 to start with.

Or, perhaps the rumors are true and WM, SB & Albany leave the CAA. Boot out Elon, Hofstra and NE and make Towson and UD move up to FBS.

FBS football: ODU, JMU, LU, Towson, Delaware, Marshall, Charlotte, WKU
Basketball, ODU, JMU, Liberty, Towson, Delaware, Marshall, Charlotte, Charleston, Drexel, UNCW, Towson

Maybe we can bring along App St and MTSU too.

That is one of the most palatable proposals I have actually seen on this board.

Same, but don't see Towson coming along. Throw Charleston and UNCW a bone and swap in Coastal.

(01-07-2021 10:40 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 03:01 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:42 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 01:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Pretty sure that is the case. We are playing basketball right now, and the COVID landscape is worse than it was when they decided to cancel football.

We couldn't even practice with a full team (less than half) in football when the season started. That isn't a problem in basketball. Its much easier to keep 20 people safe than 125.

I have no doubt that financial concerns and safety concerns were both factors whether they will admit it or not. I think the argument is which was the bigger factor. Because the decision was made before the conference made a decision and laid out their safety plan, I think that financial concerns were the driver. With basketball, I don’t know when the decision was made to play but they certainly didn’t opt out before the conference laid out their plan.

I have not doubt both were considered. Just pointing out the fallacy is assuming that safety was of no concern.

Safety was a concern in the public relations and less so in reality. Unlike a lot of the schools acting in abundance of caution because of safety concerns that never opened or shut down quickly after opening, ODU opened its dorms and campus to in-person instruction and stayed open. They didn't risk losing more people to gap years that weren't going to pay tuition for online only because they were concerned with their safety. It was a PR stunt to cover up financial woes.

EXACTLY and it some level it was a distraction for the Admin. They would have lost way more money they didn't have.