(01-01-2021 03:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 03:48 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Brutal. That BS targeting call at the end of the first half very well could have been the difference.

About that targeting call---if that play is targeting---then targeting can be called on almost every single offensive lineman on almost every single run play.

Its ashamed. Cinci had the team to win this game and just shot themselves in the foot too many times on offense in the second half.

Yeah, but if you head butt and knock the guy into next week on the sideline before half of sports/America looking on, you deserve an ejection ...

Good game Cincy. Disappointing loss. I expect to see you battling at the top of the league again next year.

(01-01-2021 08:49 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 08:40 PM)Lurkercat Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 08:34 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  I honestly see things quite a bit different than a lot of people. I don't think ND played that bad tonight against Alabama relative to how good Alabama is. The biggest issue for ND is on offense. Smith was the best player on the field and deserving of the Heisman. Even so, the 31 points was the fewest 'Bama scored all year...and still won by 17.

I love FCS football but I think a 24 team playoff is WAAAY too many. It's simply too many meaningless fluff games to fill out the bracket and make it feel "inclusive". Most years 8 teams would be fine and there's seasons when 2 would be fine. If nothing else go back to 16. I'm pretty much at that point with FBS. I'm not interested in bracket fillers and feel good stories. There's too much attrition/risk of injury in football for the NDSU's, 'Bama's and Clemson's of the world to be forced to play inferior competition for the sake of entertainment and "opportunity" imo. Football isn't basketball....

I just don't see anyone who can hold the top 1 or 2 team's jock straps most years. The semifinal scores for the most part bear that out...

I completely agree with you. If I had a say, I'd play the NY6 games and then choose the top 2 from those. Still the same number of post season games, but makes all the NY6 games meaningful. Cfp is a 2 MAYBE 3 team sport pretty much every year.

Disagree. 16 is the right number of teams for the FBS playoff, 10 conference champs, 6 at-large. I believe this would raise the level of G5 play, since every coach in America could sell a possible trip to the playoffs to recruits. There is no reason Alabama, ND, Clemson or Ohio State should be entitled to be the sole participants most years. Settle it on the field!

I agree with you, access would supercharge recruiting for the former G5 in that scenario. The top teams would still take the super recruits but having access would at least level the field somewhat due to coaches being able to tell a kid they have a chance if they come.

I mean discrimination in all forms is illegal in this county with the exception of the FBS. Essentially being locked out of the chance for a chance at the brass ring is discrimination no matter what the P5 sycophants say on a daily basis. There is no defending it and it needs to change now.

The G5 signed on for this rotten system but when you have zero leverage what choice did they have? That is not an argument for not fixing it.

(01-01-2021 08:59 PM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  Great game. Cincinnati showed the AAC and G5 can play with the big boys

Hopefully the Playoff committee and ESPN blowhards take note and stop slighting the AAC and G5

I was at the game and haven’t watched the replay

Did the announcers mention that UC was missing
2 All Americans
starting RB
Starting Center
Vann (Key DL)
Hudson in the second half

or did they just focus on Georgia having a few opt outs?

Nah, they were pretty fair, they discussed those issues and were fairly complementary of UC. Of course "G5" was mentioned but it wasn't hammered on.

(01-01-2021 09:53 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 08:49 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 08:40 PM)Lurkercat Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 08:34 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  I honestly see things quite a bit different than a lot of people. I don't think ND played that bad tonight against Alabama relative to how good Alabama is. The biggest issue for ND is on offense. Smith was the best player on the field and deserving of the Heisman. Even so, the 31 points was the fewest 'Bama scored all year...and still won by 17.

I love FCS football but I think a 24 team playoff is WAAAY too many. It's simply too many meaningless fluff games to fill out the bracket and make it feel "inclusive". Most years 8 teams would be fine and there's seasons when 2 would be fine. If nothing else go back to 16. I'm pretty much at that point with FBS. I'm not interested in bracket fillers and feel good stories. There's too much attrition/risk of injury in football for the NDSU's, 'Bama's and Clemson's of the world to be forced to play inferior competition for the sake of entertainment and "opportunity" imo. Football isn't basketball....

I just don't see anyone who can hold the top 1 or 2 team's jock straps most years. The semifinal scores for the most part bear that out...

I completely agree with you. If I had a say, I'd play the NY6 games and then choose the top 2 from those. Still the same number of post season games, but makes all the NY6 games meaningful. Cfp is a 2 MAYBE 3 team sport pretty much every year.

Disagree. 16 is the right number of teams for the FBS playoff, 10 conference champs, 6 at-large. I believe this would raise the level of G5 play, since every coach in America could sell a possible trip to the playoffs to recruits. There is no reason Alabama, ND, Clemson or Ohio State should be entitled to be the sole participants most years. Settle it on the field!

I agree with you, access would supercharge recruiting for the former G5 in that scenario. The top teams would still take the super recruits but having access would at least level the field somewhat due to coaches being able to tell a kid they have a chance if they come.

I mean discrimination in all forms is illegal in this county with the exception of the FBS. Essentially being locked out of the chance for a chance at the brass ring is discrimination no matter what the P5 sycophants say on a daily basis. There is no defending it and it needs to change now.

The G5 signed on for this rotten system but when you have zero leverage what choice did they have? That is not an argument for not fixing it.

The best chance a school like Cincinnati, Boise State, UCF etc has at a national title is under the old voting system imo. Public sentiment and media momentum can go a long way for teams that, i'm being frank, don't want to have to win 3 games to win a national title. TCU finished #2 in both major polls in 2010. Oregon lost a hard fought, down to the wire BCS title game yet finished BEHIND an undefeated MWC team. Think about that. The reason was public and college fan sentiment/momentum and how much that matters. Boise State and TCU at the point were RIGHT THERE.

Voting also allows for splits which in hindsight isn't the worst thing either. I don't think a program like Georgia Tech or Colorado apologizes. It's the only way "mighty" Michigan has a national title to their name in the last 70+ years.

Patriot League programs like Lehigh, Colgate and Fordham have had some excellent teams in 1-AA/FCS but the playoff route for schools with a little less depth, little less size is brutal unless you catch a crazy break. These are schools with lots of $$, winning tradition and good facilities but operate with a different ideology compared to the power conference teams in the CAA, MVFC etc. Then non-scholarship Colgate did make it to the title game in 2003 thanks a #4 seed which gave them two home games vs Umass and Western Illinois in two separate lake effect snowstorms in Upstate NY. That type of luck/homefield isn't happening at the FBS level playoff.

Don’t buy the moral victory or the “uc can play with the big boys” talk.

UC lost the game. Couldn’t get a 1st down on 3rd and 3 to win the game.

Espn win probability was 93% with less than 2 minutes to go and UC does what all teams do. Play it safe and go into prevent to let the other team come back and win. Seen it all too often.


Maybe next year UC. Good season, almost great. Hopefully the more they get on the big stage the better they’ll preform. Schedule a hard non conference game to get some practice.

(01-01-2021 10:48 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Don’t buy the moral victory or the “uc can play with the big boys” talk.

UC lost the game. Couldn’t get a 1st down on 3rd and 3 to win the game.

Espn win probability was 93% with less than 2 minutes to go and UC does what all teams do. Play it safe and go into prevent to let the other team come back and win. Seen it all too often.


Maybe next year UC. Good season, almost great. Hopefully the more they get on the big stage the better they’ll preform. Schedule a hard non conference game to get some practice.

This is how I'm feeling right now too. Ucf and uh showed up and took care of business when their number was called. Uc is now 0-3 in bcs/ny6 games. We're choke artists until proven otherwise. Maybe next year

(01-01-2021 10:48 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Don’t buy the moral victory or the “uc can play with the big boys” talk.

UC lost the game. Couldn’t get a 1st down on 3rd and 3 to win the game.

Espn win probability was 93% with less than 2 minutes to go and UC does what all teams do. Play it safe and go into prevent to let the other team come back and win. Seen it all too often.


Maybe next year UC. Good season, almost great. Hopefully the more they get on the big stage the better they’ll preform. Schedule a hard non conference game to get some practice.

This might be a Fickell tendency. He went conservative with 4th qtr lead against Memphis in the AAC Championship, as I recall it. I bet he'd like that 3rd & 2 back to run clock even if they didn't make the 1st down.

(01-01-2021 10:48 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Don’t buy the moral victory or the “uc can play with the big boys” talk.

UC lost the game. Couldn’t get a 1st down on 3rd and 3 to win the game.

Espn win probability was 93% with less than 2 minutes to go and UC does what all teams do. Play it safe and go into prevent to let the other team come back and win. Seen it all too often.


Maybe next year UC. Good season, almost great. Hopefully the more they get on the big stage the better they’ll preform. Schedule a hard non conference game to get some practice.

Well, UC has a 2021 non-conference schedule that includes Indiana at Bloomington and Notre Dame in South Bend. So there is that. We need our 2021 game vs. Houston to rest our players after those difficult OOC games.

(01-01-2021 11:23 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 10:48 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Don’t buy the moral victory or the “uc can play with the big boys” talk.

UC lost the game. Couldn’t get a 1st down on 3rd and 3 to win the game.

Espn win probability was 93% with less than 2 minutes to go and UC does what all teams do. Play it safe and go into prevent to let the other team come back and win. Seen it all too often.


Maybe next year UC. Good season, almost great. Hopefully the more they get on the big stage the better they’ll preform. Schedule a hard non conference game to get some practice.

Well, UC has a 2021 non-conference schedule that includes Indiana at Bloomington and Notre Dame in South Bend. So there is that. We need our 2021 game vs. Houston to rest our players after those difficult OOC games.

You mistake my post for trash talk, I was a Cincinnati fan today but that’s my honest opinion and I don’t think it’s a hot take to not want a moral victory when the game was in reach. No need for houston comment UH is hot garbage right now and we have 4 million reasons why that isn’t going to change.

(01-01-2021 11:23 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 10:48 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Don’t buy the moral victory or the “uc can play with the big boys” talk.

UC lost the game. Couldn’t get a 1st down on 3rd and 3 to win the game.

Espn win probability was 93% with less than 2 minutes to go and UC does what all teams do. Play it safe and go into prevent to let the other team come back and win. Seen it all too often.


Maybe next year UC. Good season, almost great. Hopefully the more they get on the big stage the better they’ll preform. Schedule a hard non conference game to get some practice.

Well, UC has a 2021 non-conference schedule that includes Indiana at Bloomington and Notre Dame in South Bend. So there is that. We need our 2021 game vs. Houston to rest our players after those difficult OOC games.

That should provide some good practice. Luke Fickell is a great coach but he’s going through growing pains like any inexperienced coach. These loses will do him and the program good long term. Georgia went through them a 100 times over on the biggest stages

(01-01-2021 11:27 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 11:23 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 10:48 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Don’t buy the moral victory or the “uc can play with the big boys” talk.

UC lost the game. Couldn’t get a 1st down on 3rd and 3 to win the game.

Espn win probability was 93% with less than 2 minutes to go and UC does what all teams do. Play it safe and go into prevent to let the other team come back and win. Seen it all too often.


Maybe next year UC. Good season, almost great. Hopefully the more they get on the big stage the better they’ll preform. Schedule a hard non conference game to get some practice.

Well, UC has a 2021 non-conference schedule that includes Indiana at Bloomington and Notre Dame in South Bend. So there is that. We need our 2021 game vs. Houston to rest our players after those difficult OOC games.

You mistake my post for trash talk, I was a Cincinnati fan today but that’s my honest opinion and I don’t think it’s a hot take to not want a moral victory when the game was in reach. No need for houston comment UH is hot garbage right now and we have 4 million reasons why that isn’t going to change.

Trust me, I'm not feeling any "moral victory" tonight after that end-of-game coaching meltdown against UGA. Our guys played well enough to win, but our end of game playcalling was a recipe for our opponent's "miracle comeback". The slap at UH is simply because of some of your fans hype over Holgerson and how he was going to recruit all these 4 and 5-star Texas players and how UH was spending all this money on coaches and how UH fires 8-4 coaches. Watching Holgerson's demeanor on the sidelines, I don't see how any recruit would want to play for that jerk. Problem is that his contract probably means you are stuck with him for another 3-4 years. Which means UH will be stuck in mediocrity for at least that long.

(01-01-2021 11:39 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 11:27 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 11:23 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 10:48 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Don’t buy the moral victory or the “uc can play with the big boys” talk.

UC lost the game. Couldn’t get a 1st down on 3rd and 3 to win the game.

Espn win probability was 93% with less than 2 minutes to go and UC does what all teams do. Play it safe and go into prevent to let the other team come back and win. Seen it all too often.


Maybe next year UC. Good season, almost great. Hopefully the more they get on the big stage the better they’ll preform. Schedule a hard non conference game to get some practice.

Well, UC has a 2021 non-conference schedule that includes Indiana at Bloomington and Notre Dame in South Bend. So there is that. We need our 2021 game vs. Houston to rest our players after those difficult OOC games.

You mistake my post for trash talk, I was a Cincinnati fan today but that’s my honest opinion and I don’t think it’s a hot take to not want a moral victory when the game was in reach. No need for houston comment UH is hot garbage right now and we have 4 million reasons why that isn’t going to change.

Trust me, I'm not feeling any "moral victory" tonight after that end-of-game coaching meltdown against UGA. Our guys played well enough to win, but our end of game playcalling was a recipe for our opponent's "miracle comeback". The slap at UH is simply because of some of your fans hype over Holgerson and how he was going to recruit all these 4 and 5-star Texas players and how UH was spending all this money on coaches and how UH fires 8-4 coaches. Watching Holgerson's demeanor on the sidelines, I don't see how any recruit would want to play for that jerk. Problem is that his contract probably means you are stuck with him for another 3-4 years. Which means UH will be stuck in mediocrity for at least that long.

Yeah... it was frustrating for me and I haven’t really followed UC much so I can only imagine how that was to watch as a UC fan. Especially hearing the announcers saying how UC was able to handle Georgia’s size etc etc but seeing that Georgia’s “comeback” was inevitable. I hate hearing the talking heads trying to console G5 fans like hey you gave it your best shot. No, this post season is rigged.

If UC won Georgia wasn’t motivated and because they lost now G5 teams should never qualify for a chance at a national championship.

And re UH,. I think basically the administration gambled on the athletics program and spent money they didn’t have in order to buy themselves into a P5 conference instead of going the long route like TCU did. So they are now stuck in a money pit that at some point could start to make money if and only if UH is 1. winning championships and 2. Joining a P5 conference with a P5 media contract making all that spending and aggressively changing coaches worth it.

The reasoning behind UH not being in the big 12 at its conception was political and it will continue to be so I guess we decided to let a billionaire take the reigns, but you look at the difference between UH football and basketball now and the glaring difference is continuity. Both programs have new buildings, and new training facilities costing hundreds of millions yet only one is winning games.

So you truly can’t just throw money at the problem, unless it’s the 1980’s and you’re doing it the right way like SMU did.

But re UH fans hyping up houston... I mean.. I agree with it lol. Houston should be able to keep local talent and be at the top of the G5 yearly. We should be Boise with a higher ceiling. Instead the only teams I pick us to be ahead of next year are USF and maybe temple because both just really don’t care to try but hell if they’re fielding a team next year they very well could be ahead of Houston with the shape we’re in.

Back to a playoff, way back in 2009, Death to the BCS was a great book that promoted the 16 team scenario. Many great points were made but the one that stood out was the possibility of seeing a Deep South probably an SEC team traveling to a Wisconsin, Michigan etc for a PLAYOFF GAME , that would be must see tv. Not another meaningless newly named bowl w some of the best players “opting out”, but a real win and advance, balls to the wall playoff. And talk about money?? This would be a huge money maker and it would be fairly inclusive.
This current playoff is stinking a little more every year.

The current playoff is the Alabama-Clemson-Ohio St-Wildcard invitational.

Until they either start letting more teams in or some of these lame-o's in the P5 conferences start stepping it up, it's going to stay that way.

That was a good game, Cinci played the 2nd best sec team toe to toe, the game could've gone either way.
The AAC shined on prime time....

(01-02-2021 02:48 AM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 11:39 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 11:27 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 11:23 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 10:48 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Don’t buy the moral victory or the “uc can play with the big boys” talk.

UC lost the game. Couldn’t get a 1st down on 3rd and 3 to win the game.

Espn win probability was 93% with less than 2 minutes to go and UC does what all teams do. Play it safe and go into prevent to let the other team come back and win. Seen it all too often.


Maybe next year UC. Good season, almost great. Hopefully the more they get on the big stage the better they’ll preform. Schedule a hard non conference game to get some practice.

Well, UC has a 2021 non-conference schedule that includes Indiana at Bloomington and Notre Dame in South Bend. So there is that. We need our 2021 game vs. Houston to rest our players after those difficult OOC games.

You mistake my post for trash talk, I was a Cincinnati fan today but that’s my honest opinion and I don’t think it’s a hot take to not want a moral victory when the game was in reach. No need for houston comment UH is hot garbage right now and we have 4 million reasons why that isn’t going to change.

Trust me, I'm not feeling any "moral victory" tonight after that end-of-game coaching meltdown against UGA. Our guys played well enough to win, but our end of game playcalling was a recipe for our opponent's "miracle comeback". The slap at UH is simply because of some of your fans hype over Holgerson and how he was going to recruit all these 4 and 5-star Texas players and how UH was spending all this money on coaches and how UH fires 8-4 coaches. Watching Holgerson's demeanor on the sidelines, I don't see how any recruit would want to play for that jerk. Problem is that his contract probably means you are stuck with him for another 3-4 years. Which means UH will be stuck in mediocrity for at least that long.

Yeah... it was frustrating for me and I haven’t really followed UC much so I can only imagine how that was to watch as a UC fan. Especially hearing the announcers saying how UC was able to handle Georgia’s size etc etc but seeing that Georgia’s “comeback” was inevitable. I hate hearing the talking heads trying to console G5 fans like hey you gave it your best shot. No, this post season is rigged.

If UC won Georgia wasn’t motivated and because they lost now G5 teams should never qualify for a chance at a national championship.

And re UH,. I think basically the administration gambled on the athletics program and spent money they didn’t have in order to buy themselves into a P5 conference instead of going the long route like TCU did. So they are now stuck in a money pit that at some point could start to make money if and only if UH is 1. winning championships and 2. Joining a P5 conference with a P5 media contract making all that spending and aggressively changing coaches worth it.

The reasoning behind UH not being in the big 12 at its conception was political and it will continue to be so I guess we decided to let a billionaire take the reigns, but you look at the difference between UH football and basketball now and the glaring difference is continuity. Both programs have new buildings, and new training facilities costing hundreds of millions yet only one is winning games.

So you truly can’t just throw money at the problem, unless it’s the 1980’s and you’re doing it the right way like SMU did.

But re UH fans hyping up houston... I mean.. I agree with it lol. Houston should be able to keep local talent and be at the top of the G5 yearly. We should be Boise with a higher ceiling. Instead the only teams I pick us to be ahead of next year are USF and maybe temple because both just really don’t care to try but hell if they’re fielding a team next year they very well could be ahead of Houston with the shape we’re in.

Great post. Thanks. UH, SMU, UCF, Memphis and of course Cincy form the core of what could be a very solid conference in both hoops and football. I hope UH returns to relevancy in football because that is good for the conference. Sampson has done well and it is now to be expected that Houston will compete annually for the basketball championship along with Memphis and Cincy (just not this year for Cincy as our string of 12 consecutive NCAA tournament appearances probably ends this year). Thanks for the civil conversation.

(01-02-2021 09:59 AM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(01-02-2021 02:48 AM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 11:39 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 11:27 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 11:23 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Well, UC has a 2021 non-conference schedule that includes Indiana at Bloomington and Notre Dame in South Bend. So there is that. We need our 2021 game vs. Houston to rest our players after those difficult OOC games.

You mistake my post for trash talk, I was a Cincinnati fan today but that’s my honest opinion and I don’t think it’s a hot take to not want a moral victory when the game was in reach. No need for houston comment UH is hot garbage right now and we have 4 million reasons why that isn’t going to change.

Trust me, I'm not feeling any "moral victory" tonight after that end-of-game coaching meltdown against UGA. Our guys played well enough to win, but our end of game playcalling was a recipe for our opponent's "miracle comeback". The slap at UH is simply because of some of your fans hype over Holgerson and how he was going to recruit all these 4 and 5-star Texas players and how UH was spending all this money on coaches and how UH fires 8-4 coaches. Watching Holgerson's demeanor on the sidelines, I don't see how any recruit would want to play for that jerk. Problem is that his contract probably means you are stuck with him for another 3-4 years. Which means UH will be stuck in mediocrity for at least that long.

Yeah... it was frustrating for me and I haven’t really followed UC much so I can only imagine how that was to watch as a UC fan. Especially hearing the announcers saying how UC was able to handle Georgia’s size etc etc but seeing that Georgia’s “comeback” was inevitable. I hate hearing the talking heads trying to console G5 fans like hey you gave it your best shot. No, this post season is rigged.

If UC won Georgia wasn’t motivated and because they lost now G5 teams should never qualify for a chance at a national championship.

And re UH,. I think basically the administration gambled on the athletics program and spent money they didn’t have in order to buy themselves into a P5 conference instead of going the long route like TCU did. So they are now stuck in a money pit that at some point could start to make money if and only if UH is 1. winning championships and 2. Joining a P5 conference with a P5 media contract making all that spending and aggressively changing coaches worth it.

The reasoning behind UH not being in the big 12 at its conception was political and it will continue to be so I guess we decided to let a billionaire take the reigns, but you look at the difference between UH football and basketball now and the glaring difference is continuity. Both programs have new buildings, and new training facilities costing hundreds of millions yet only one is winning games.

So you truly can’t just throw money at the problem, unless it’s the 1980’s and you’re doing it the right way like SMU did.

But re UH fans hyping up houston... I mean.. I agree with it lol. Houston should be able to keep local talent and be at the top of the G5 yearly. We should be Boise with a higher ceiling. Instead the only teams I pick us to be ahead of next year are USF and maybe temple because both just really don’t care to try but hell if they’re fielding a team next year they very well could be ahead of Houston with the shape we’re in.

Great post. Thanks. UH, SMU, UCF, Memphis and of course Cincy form the core of what could be a very solid conference in both hoops and football. I hope UH returns to relevancy in football because that is good for the conference. Sampson has done well and it is now to be expected that Houston will compete annually for the basketball championship along with Memphis and Cincy (just not this year for Cincy as our string of 12 consecutive NCAA tournament appearances probably ends this year). Thanks for the civil conversation.

Cincy lost a close game to UGA.

It happens.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

The melts by non cincy fans about broader implications are asinine.

The day people quit questioning the validity of the conf over a bowl game loss will mean more than losing.

What folks are missing is that it was once again an AAC team playing in the NY6 G5 slot. Might seem like small potatoes but perception is that that slot is the AAC's to lose every year. A long way from when this league was formed and no one thought it would even last. That loss sucks but Cincy went toe to toe with a perennial SEC football power and, most pundits would agree, lost due to bad play calling at the end as opposed to being over matched.

Looking forward to a "normal" 2021 season and the noise this little old conference of misfit toys will make yet again.