(01-01-2021 05:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 03:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s how I’d revamp the post season: 5-1-2 playoff

The 4 BCS bowls Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, and Orange serve as the quarter final sites. (Peach and Cotton Bowls go back to having normal tie in likes the Citrus, Outback, Gator, etc.)

Let seeds 1-3 pick their quarter final bowl sites (4 vs 5 gets hosted by the last remaining bowl)

Bid out the semi-final and title game sites to cities/stadia across the country (including the quarter final sites) each year

Play the semi finals 7-10 days after the NYD bowls and the title game the same weekend as the NFL’s Pro Bowl.

So many problems with this idea but it's already been discussed ad nauseam.

If you’re going to waltz in and slam an idea at least take to present an alternative—move along troll.

(01-01-2021 05:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 03:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s how I’d revamp the post season: 5-1-2 playoff

Results like today's Peach Bowl do not help the 5-1-2 cause. That's three straight years that the highest-ranked G5 has been beaten in the NY6 bowl, and by a team that was only runner-up or worse in their P5 conference.

That does not suggest the necessity of having a G5 team in the playoffs.

I disagree. It wasn’t like Cincy did not comport themselves admirably at the Peach Bowl. What is at issue is if the expansion of the CFP is worth the further erosion To the Bowls such a move would cause.

(01-01-2021 06:54 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 05:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 03:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s how I’d revamp the post season: 5-1-2 playoff

The 4 BCS bowls Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, and Orange serve as the quarter final sites. (Peach and Cotton Bowls go back to having normal tie in likes the Citrus, Outback, Gator, etc.)

Let seeds 1-3 pick their quarter final bowl sites (4 vs 5 gets hosted by the last remaining bowl)

Bid out the semi-final and title game sites to cities/stadia across the country (including the quarter final sites) each year

Play the semi finals 7-10 days after the NYD bowls and the title game the same weekend as the NFL’s Pro Bowl.

So many problems with this idea but it's already been discussed ad nauseam.

If you’re going to waltz in and slam an idea at least take to present an alternative—move along troll.

Are fans going to travel for an 8 vs 1 game if 4 vs 1 looks like what we've seen most years in the CFP? Unless we are having COVID issues every year, they won't be able to sell tickets for those games. It will be like early NCAA rounds.

Anything that doesn't involve campus sites or quarterfinals subbing out CCGs is a non-starter. Should be obvious.

(01-01-2021 02:28 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I agree with this but within the existing TV structure I don't see how you can do it. Would the networks be guaranteed a game if "their conference" isn't involved? How would the payouts be distributed? Would neutral sites even work in all cases if there is a geographic disparity? Plus it would have to be 1 vs 8 2 vs 7, etc.

You would have to guarantee a rep from each P5 conference IMO, plus a G5 rep most likely. It will never be equitable regardless with only two At-Larges.

I think a more likely scenario than the OP is that both the SEC and B1G opt out of any alliance and that the B12/P12/ACC rotate hosting quasi-quarterfinals 2 out of 3 years. Rotation has proven necessary for TV involvement. The pairings wouldn’t change much.

Don’t think there is anything against them squeezing out the AAC as the playoff spots are still determined by rank... just limited to the 10 CCG winners. This year the Cincy-A&M winner would have had a decent chance of the playoff if any of the Top 4 were upset. If anything it would weed out G5 teams (or Notre Dame or that one year Wisconsin went undefeated) that aren’t actually playoff material by forcing them to beat another Top 8 team.

Geography? Ya. Putting a PTZ and ETZ team into a game a week after their regular season finale would be difficult under any national format. I’ve not seen a playoff format that does not include cross country travel on 1 week’s rest. But, hey, we would have gotten USC-ND this year! :)

(01-01-2021 07:18 PM)Crayton Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 02:28 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I agree with this but within the existing TV structure I don't see how you can do it. Would the networks be guaranteed a game if "their conference" isn't involved? How would the payouts be distributed? Would neutral sites even work in all cases if there is a geographic disparity? Plus it would have to be 1 vs 8 2 vs 7, etc.

You would have to guarantee a rep from each P5 conference IMO, plus a G5 rep most likely. It will never be equitable regardless with only two At-Larges.

I think a more likely scenario than the OP is that both the SEC and B1G opt out of any alliance and that the B12/P12/ACC rotate hosting quasi-quarterfinals 2 out of 3 years. Rotation has proven necessary for TV involvement. The pairings wouldn’t change much.

Don’t think there is anything against them squeezing out the AAC as the playoff spots are still determined by rank... just limited to the 10 CCG winners. This year the Cincy-A&M winner would have had a decent chance of the playoff if any of the Top 4 were upset. If anything it would weed out G5 teams (or Notre Dame or that one year Wisconsin went undefeated) that aren’t actually playoff material by forcing them to beat another Top 8 team.

Geography? Ya. Putting a PTZ and ETZ team into a game a week after their regular season finale would be difficult under any national format. I’ve not seen a playoff format that does not include cross country travel on 1 week’s rest. But, hey, we would have gotten USC-ND this year! :)

I don't know, it seems far fetched. I definitely feel we will get a "Wild Card" game for SEC division runner-up vs ND/B1G runner/ACC runner. Some combination or the other, with the lower seed traveling to the higher seed based on the latest CFP rankings. It would be much easier to string together one game while keeping the existing power structure. I also think this game can be played on Army/Navy weekend to buffer any last minute travel. The committee may push the CFP selection back one week. Short notice for NY6 travelling fans, but we already had short notice this year with the Rose Bowl reshuffle (albeit a lot fewer fans involved).

(01-01-2021 06:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 05:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 03:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s how I’d revamp the post season: 5-1-2 playoff

Results like today's Peach Bowl do not help the 5-1-2 cause. That's three straight years that the highest-ranked G5 has been beaten in the NY6 bowl, and by a team that was only runner-up or worse in their P5 conference.

That does not suggest the necessity of having a G5 team in the playoffs.

The score of this year’s Peach Bowl hardly suggests that Cincinnati didn’t belong. Losing by 3 in your opponent’s backyard is pretty respectable

Yes, but that's losing by 3 to literally the 4th-place SEC team. That just does not suggest that the playoffs are missing anything meaningful when there are no G5 teams in them.

(01-01-2021 07:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 06:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 05:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 03:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s how I’d revamp the post season: 5-1-2 playoff

Results like today's Peach Bowl do not help the 5-1-2 cause. That's three straight years that the highest-ranked G5 has been beaten in the NY6 bowl, and by a team that was only runner-up or worse in their P5 conference.

That does not suggest the necessity of having a G5 team in the playoffs.

The score of this year’s Peach Bowl hardly suggests that Cincinnati didn’t belong. Losing by 3 in your opponent’s backyard is pretty respectable

Yes, but that's losing by 3 to literally the 4th-place SEC team. That just does not suggest that the playoffs are missing anything meaningful when there are no G5 teams in them.

CFP expansion has nothing to do with on the field competition. All of the reasons for going to 8 are money related, just as it is for every other sport.

(01-01-2021 08:06 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 07:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 06:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 05:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 03:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s how I’d revamp the post season: 5-1-2 playoff

Results like today's Peach Bowl do not help the 5-1-2 cause. That's three straight years that the highest-ranked G5 has been beaten in the NY6 bowl, and by a team that was only runner-up or worse in their P5 conference.

That does not suggest the necessity of having a G5 team in the playoffs.

The score of this year’s Peach Bowl hardly suggests that Cincinnati didn’t belong. Losing by 3 in your opponent’s backyard is pretty respectable

Yes, but that's losing by 3 to literally the 4th-place SEC team. That just does not suggest that the playoffs are missing anything meaningful when there are no G5 teams in them.

CFP expansion has nothing to do with on the field competition. All of the reasons for going to 8 are money related, just as it is for every other sport.

I agree, history tells us if the money is there, the playoffs will expand.

I am not convinced the money is there. We shall see.