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RE: CBS Article: most disappointing college basketball teams in 2020-21 season
The article is not off base. Anyone who has ever been a fan of basketball can tell the offense is broken. It's a hard team to watch, and I not hopeful that the East offense is going to be the magic cure. However I'm no coach, so my opinion means squat. I hope somehow Penny figures it out.
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(12-31-2020 12:05 AM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  The article is not off base. Anyone who has ever been a fan of basketball can tell the offense is broken. It's a hard team to watch, and I not hopeful that the East offense is going to be the magic cure. However I'm no coach, so my opinion means squat. I hope somehow Penny figures it out.

I'm pretty sure if Penny didn't fully understand our offense, our players didn't either. They sure weren't moving around like they did. Even if the new offense isn't great, it should be a lot better than the old ones if the players know where they should be.

Hopefully, a lot of the missed shots yesterday were because the offense isn't intuitive yet, and hopefully, once it is, it will be effective.
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(12-30-2020 10:25 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
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(12-30-2020 09:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  If we shoot 45% from the field, 35% from outside and 75% from the foul line, we average 8 points more per game based on the number of shots we've taken. Part of it is poor shot selection; but most of it is bad shooting from kids that were great shooters in high school. Crazy.

Probably has something to do with the defenses they saw in high school weren’t as good as what they see now. Probably has more to do with the fact that there’s no structured offense to get them open looks. Dribble dribble jack up a 3.

It is a lot of wide open shots.

I’ve noticed that too, & after a couple of missed open jumpers or blown point blank attempts in a row, they tend to follow those up with a couple stagnet sets where the movement stops & someone has to try to do too much or a turnover. Which typically leads to a scoring drought & run by opponents.

I’ve seen them either score or get great looks coming out of a timeout or in bounds pass under the basket that I don’t doubt they have been taught plays that work when executed with focus, it’s the periods of lack of focus that gets frustrating.

That being said, I do wish on offense the ball would stay in the facilitators & scorers hands more often & the younger more raw players touches a little more limited. I get they have to learn, but sometimes I feel they are being put in positions difficult for them to be successful in at their current skill level & that has lead to too many turnovers.
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Shooting percentages are greatly affected by where & when shots are taken. That is determined by the offense & discipline to the offense by the players on the court. The coach sets the offense & determines that acceptable level of discipline by each player on the floor (which is different for each player). If your team is shooting 20-30% from 3, on avg game after game, the wrong guys are shooting 3s in the wrong situations - on avg. It's up to the coach to make the changes. It's clear some of our players should never shoot a 3 & others should only take them at certain locations on the floor. None should be shooting 3s off-balance, drifting sideways or covered up by the defense. These are ALL coachable situations that the coach controls..........or doesn't. It's not enough for the coach to say game after game, 'we just have to shoot better'. Reality is the players have to shoot better shots - and the coach sets the standard of what is a good shot.
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(12-31-2020 08:22 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Shooting percentages are greatly affected by where & when shots are taken. That is determined by the offense & discipline to the offense by the players on the court. The coach sets the offense & determines that acceptable level of discipline by each player on the floor (which is different for each player). If your team is shooting 20-30% from 3, on avg game after game, the wrong guys are shooting 3s in the wrong situations - on avg. It's up to the coach to make the changes. It's clear some of our players should never shoot a 3 & others should only take them at certain locations on the floor. None should be shooting 3s off-balance, drifting sideways or covered up by the defense. These are ALL coachable situations that the coach controls..........or doesn't. It's not enough for the coach to say game after game, 'we just have to shoot better'. Reality is the players have to shoot better shots - and the coach sets the standard of what is a good shot.

Absolutely correct.
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(12-31-2020 08:22 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Shooting percentages are greatly affected by where & when shots are taken. That is determined by the offense & discipline to the offense by the players on the court. The coach sets the offense & determines that acceptable level of discipline by each player on the floor (which is different for each player). If your team is shooting 20-30% from 3, on avg game after game, the wrong guys are shooting 3s in the wrong situations - on avg. It's up to the coach to make the changes. It's clear some of our players should never shoot a 3 & others should only take them at certain locations on the floor. None should be shooting 3s off-balance, drifting sideways or covered up by the defense. These are ALL coachable situations that the coach controls..........or doesn't. It's not enough for the coach to say game after game, 'we just have to shoot better'. Reality is the players have to shoot better shots - and the coach sets the standard of what is a good shot.

Yes, like I said, lots of wide open shots and easy shots from close to the basket.
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(12-31-2020 08:22 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Shooting percentages are greatly affected by where & when shots are taken. That is determined by the offense & discipline to the offense by the players on the court. The coach sets the offense & determines that acceptable level of discipline by each player on the floor (which is different for each player). If your team is shooting 20-30% from 3, on avg game after game, the wrong guys are shooting 3s in the wrong situations - on avg. It's up to the coach to make the changes. It's clear some of our players should never shoot a 3 & others should only take them at certain locations on the floor. None should be shooting 3s off-balance, drifting sideways or covered up by the defense. These are ALL coachable situations that the coach controls..........or doesn't. It's not enough for the coach to say game after game, 'we just have to shoot better'. Reality is the players have to shoot better shots - and the coach sets the standard of what is a good shot.

I don’t disagree with the fact shooting %’s are lowered by bad shots whether that bad shot is a forced shot or just wrong player shooting it.

But I have seen more times than not (there are exceptions but not the majority) the correct players taking good shots that you would expect high level recruits to make and they miss them. At this level when a player flashes & gets an open 10ft jumper he should make that 80% + of the time & right now I am not sure we are hitting 50%.

Same with an offensive rebound & put back, that should be a high % of scores or fouled....not the volleyballing at the goal 3+ times until the other team gets possession and starts their break.

Now coach has the responsibility of ensuring the lineups on the floor can execute to the expected level and are focused & playing with the required energy level to do so consistently.
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CBS Article: most disappointing college basketball teams in 2020-21 season
Fair summary.

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I've watched all the games and the offense looks absolutely awful for stretches in every game. But I also know that if we made a just few more 3s and dunks and free throws and a few less TOs, we'd be undefeated. Maybe we should work on that. We have also made some spectacular plays and looked like champions for spurts.

Losses were by 6, 11, 3 and 7 pts.
During those games we went 26-83 for 31% from 3 (1 game was 26%) That's 57 misses and most were open shots
We also missed 33 free throws, those were all unguarded.
We also averaged 17 TOs per game

During our wins we
averaged 29% from 3
averaged 66% from the line with 7 misses per game
averaged 13 TOs
So all you can say is that the teams we beat had worse defenses, we play the same way every time out.

Its a shame they don't have a stat for lay-up/dunk misses.

All in all it shows we are a group of terrible shooters and coaching can't change that.
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(12-30-2020 11:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 11:16 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 11:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 10:56 PM)dwash Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 10:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Only Wiseman, Lomax and Dandridge played at East.

Along with Chandler Lawson and Ryan Boyce.

Chandler Lawson and Ryan Boyce are huge reasons why LQ and Boogie can't shoot from outside, and Dandridge, Williams, Nolley and DJ miss so many easy shots from close in. They are at fault for the team being bad at shooting free throws.

Got it. 01-wingedeagle

My point is when East was dominating local teams (or state teams), they were playing teams that would be lucky for anyone on the team to get a D1 look.

I think we have good players but a lousy coach. We all love Penny, but being a great player doesn’t make you a good coach.

What does that have to do with players missing free throws and wide open shots? We are shooting 29.9% from outside and 53.4% of our free throws in our last 4 games. What does that have to do with East?

So it’s all on the players. Highly ranked players that, up til now, have been very successful.

Why are we shooting poorly? Why do we turn the ball over? Why do we look completely disorganized?

A good coach puts in an offense suited to his players. The poor shooting isn’t always wide open shots. They usually dribble the ball 30 feet from the basket for 25 seconds and then throw up a rushed shot. Good offenses set up open shots (the reason you actually run an offense). And if they can’t make shots, they need to be benched (no matter what their ranking was).

Can’t explain poor free throw shooting. Were they all terrible FT shooters in high school?

The reference to East simply shows Pennys coaching philosophy. Play under matched teams and use incredible athletes to run them off the court. This just doesn’t happen against well coached, decent NCAA teams. He desperately needs someone to take over the offense. There are tons of seasoned coaches out of work. Ones that could coach, but couldn’t recruit (and that’s why they’re out of work, or under employed). Quit hiring your buddies...
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(12-31-2020 09:12 AM)hk25 Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 08:22 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Shooting percentages are greatly affected by where & when shots are taken. That is determined by the offense & discipline to the offense by the players on the court. The coach sets the offense & determines that acceptable level of discipline by each player on the floor (which is different for each player). If your team is shooting 20-30% from 3, on avg game after game, the wrong guys are shooting 3s in the wrong situations - on avg. It's up to the coach to make the changes. It's clear some of our players should never shoot a 3 & others should only take them at certain locations on the floor. None should be shooting 3s off-balance, drifting sideways or covered up by the defense. These are ALL coachable situations that the coach controls..........or doesn't. It's not enough for the coach to say game after game, 'we just have to shoot better'. Reality is the players have to shoot better shots - and the coach sets the standard of what is a good shot.

I don’t disagree with the fact shooting %’s are lowered by bad shots whether that bad shot is a forced shot or just wrong player shooting it.

But I have seen more times than not (there are exceptions but not the majority) the correct players taking good shots that you would expect high level recruits to make and they miss them. At this level when a player flashes & gets an open 10ft jumper he should make that 80% + of the time & right now I am not sure we are hitting 50%.

Same with an offensive rebound & put back, that should be a high % of scores or fouled....not the volleyballing at the goal 3+ times until the other team gets possession and starts their break.

Now coach has the responsibility of ensuring the lineups on the floor can execute to the expected level and are focused & playing with the required energy level to do so consistently.

On avg, I don't see our guys taking good shots. I see guys taking open shots but not with their feet under them or drifting or rushing a wide open shot. Just those poor techniques will substantially reduce shooting percentages - that's for a good shooter. We have several guys taking 3s that should have a coach telling them that's not their shot to take. It's even a more likely problem for guys with good quickness who get themselves open with that quickness but they lack the practiced techniques of being under control shooting with repeated good technique. These things are all coachable by a staff attentive to details FT shooting too. Few guys will ever be Steph Curry, but most perimeter guys with good mechanics can learn to be 33%+ shooters from the 3 with good technique & 68-70%+ at the FT line, on a well run offense that provides opportunity. Those that aren't, shouldn't & that's coaching.
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(12-31-2020 08:55 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 08:22 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Shooting percentages are greatly affected by where & when shots are taken. That is determined by the offense & discipline to the offense by the players on the court. The coach sets the offense & determines that acceptable level of discipline by each player on the floor (which is different for each player). If your team is shooting 20-30% from 3, on avg game after game, the wrong guys are shooting 3s in the wrong situations - on avg. It's up to the coach to make the changes. It's clear some of our players should never shoot a 3 & others should only take them at certain locations on the floor. None should be shooting 3s off-balance, drifting sideways or covered up by the defense. These are ALL coachable situations that the coach controls..........or doesn't. It's not enough for the coach to say game after game, 'we just have to shoot better'. Reality is the players have to shoot better shots - and the coach sets the standard of what is a good shot.

Yes, like I said, lots of wide open shots and easy shots from close to the basket.

I see the same as what you see. I saw the offense working to get players looks, At the beginning of the year, Malcolm missed what 4 dunks at point blank range. DJ has missed what two dunks and also wide open layups. Coming out of a time out, we produce a great look for a layup but DJ, Moussa misses it. Penny will run some great set plays out of time outs and beginning of the half. However, without set plays the guys are a step slow or stand around.

Plus South Florida this past game made tough shots with hands in their face. Our guys miss easy bunnies. Once we miss start to miss layups we go into the tank mentally. Plus South Florida was pulling guys off the bench to play for a few minutes and they contributed. Our bench guys are too one dimensional. If Boogie is not hitting shots, what else does he do? If Moussa can't block shots or rebound, what else can he do? If Alex can't get steals, what else can he do?

All of our games have been the same. Good game plan, roll out to a double digit lead early. Hit an offensive lull with many missed layups and defense starts to suffer. Then we crumble mentally and never get back in it.

I expected too much from Landers. He's just a taller Tyler Harris without the enthusiasm. Once Landers hits one shot, he think he's the microwave and must shoot the next time down. Even Tyler didn't think that. Plus he doesn't do the small things defensively. I think it was no coincidence we made our run, we him on the bench. We could finally get stops to run in transition. Don't get me wrong he did hit a big 3. but he has yet to show the ability to take over a game offensively as much as he tries.
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(12-31-2020 10:29 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 11:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 11:16 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 11:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 10:56 PM)dwash Wrote:  Along with Chandler Lawson and Ryan Boyce.

Chandler Lawson and Ryan Boyce are huge reasons why LQ and Boogie can't shoot from outside, and Dandridge, Williams, Nolley and DJ miss so many easy shots from close in. They are at fault for the team being bad at shooting free throws.

Got it. 01-wingedeagle

My point is when East was dominating local teams (or state teams), they were playing teams that would be lucky for anyone on the team to get a D1 look.

I think we have good players but a lousy coach. We all love Penny, but being a great player doesn’t make you a good coach.

What does that have to do with players missing free throws and wide open shots? We are shooting 29.9% from outside and 53.4% of our free throws in our last 4 games. What does that have to do with East?

So it’s all on the players. Highly ranked players that, up til now, have been very successful.

Why are we shooting poorly? Why do we turn the ball over? Why do we look completely disorganized?

A good coach puts in an offense suited to his players. The poor shooting isn’t always wide open shots. They usually dribble the ball 30 feet from the basket for 25 seconds and then throw up a rushed shot. Good offenses set up open shots (the reason you actually run an offense). And if they can’t make shots, they need to be benched (no matter what their ranking was).

Can’t explain poor free throw shooting. Were they all terrible FT shooters in high school?

The reference to East simply shows Pennys coaching philosophy. Play under matched teams and use incredible athletes to run them off the court. This just doesn’t happen against well coached, decent NCAA teams. He desperately needs someone to take over the offense. There are tons of seasoned coaches out of work. Ones that could coach, but couldn’t recruit (and that’s why they’re out of work, or under employed). Quit hiring your buddies...

Cody Toppert wasn't a buddy. He was the offensive coordinator. He's running a offense that depends on players being multidimensional and we don't have enough of those.
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(12-31-2020 11:00 AM)rolexjames Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 10:29 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 11:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 11:16 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 11:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Chandler Lawson and Ryan Boyce are huge reasons why LQ and Boogie can't shoot from outside, and Dandridge, Williams, Nolley and DJ miss so many easy shots from close in. They are at fault for the team being bad at shooting free throws.

Got it. 01-wingedeagle

My point is when East was dominating local teams (or state teams), they were playing teams that would be lucky for anyone on the team to get a D1 look.

I think we have good players but a lousy coach. We all love Penny, but being a great player doesn’t make you a good coach.

What does that have to do with players missing free throws and wide open shots? We are shooting 29.9% from outside and 53.4% of our free throws in our last 4 games. What does that have to do with East?

So it’s all on the players. Highly ranked players that, up til now, have been very successful.

Why are we shooting poorly? Why do we turn the ball over? Why do we look completely disorganized?

A good coach puts in an offense suited to his players. The poor shooting isn’t always wide open shots. They usually dribble the ball 30 feet from the basket for 25 seconds and then throw up a rushed shot. Good offenses set up open shots (the reason you actually run an offense). And if they can’t make shots, they need to be benched (no matter what their ranking was).

Can’t explain poor free throw shooting. Were they all terrible FT shooters in high school?

The reference to East simply shows Pennys coaching philosophy. Play under matched teams and use incredible athletes to run them off the court. This just doesn’t happen against well coached, decent NCAA teams. He desperately needs someone to take over the offense. There are tons of seasoned coaches out of work. Ones that could coach, but couldn’t recruit (and that’s why they’re out of work, or under employed). Quit hiring your buddies...

Cody Toppert wasn't a buddy. He was the offensive coordinator. He's running a offense that depends on players being multidimensional and we don't have enough of those.

Yep, it’s the players. Top ranked class in conference, yet we struggle to beat USF.

I don’t know what team you’ve been watching, but our offensive sets are non-existent.

The article was spot on..
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RE: CBS Article: most disappointing college basketball teams in 2020-21 season
(12-31-2020 11:49 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 11:00 AM)rolexjames Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 10:29 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 11:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 11:16 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  My point is when East was dominating local teams (or state teams), they were playing teams that would be lucky for anyone on the team to get a D1 look.

I think we have good players but a lousy coach. We all love Penny, but being a great player doesn’t make you a good coach.

What does that have to do with players missing free throws and wide open shots? We are shooting 29.9% from outside and 53.4% of our free throws in our last 4 games. What does that have to do with East?

So it’s all on the players. Highly ranked players that, up til now, have been very successful.

Why are we shooting poorly? Why do we turn the ball over? Why do we look completely disorganized?

A good coach puts in an offense suited to his players. The poor shooting isn’t always wide open shots. They usually dribble the ball 30 feet from the basket for 25 seconds and then throw up a rushed shot. Good offenses set up open shots (the reason you actually run an offense). And if they can’t make shots, they need to be benched (no matter what their ranking was).

Can’t explain poor free throw shooting. Were they all terrible FT shooters in high school?

The reference to East simply shows Pennys coaching philosophy. Play under matched teams and use incredible athletes to run them off the court. This just doesn’t happen against well coached, decent NCAA teams. He desperately needs someone to take over the offense. There are tons of seasoned coaches out of work. Ones that could coach, but couldn’t recruit (and that’s why they’re out of work, or under employed). Quit hiring your buddies...

Cody Toppert wasn't a buddy. He was the offensive coordinator. He's running a offense that depends on players being multidimensional and we don't have enough of those.

Yep, it’s the players. Top ranked class in conference, yet we struggle to beat USF.

I don’t know what team you’ve been watching, but our offensive sets are non-existent.

The article was spot on..

If you are in an Open gym and you can take any guard in the AAC you want, or any player in the AAC you want, do you start with a guard or player from Memphis? If you do, that choice is based on potential and reputation not results. Do we have a guard better than Marcus Sasser, Caleb Mills or Caleb Murphy? Marcus Sasser and Caleb Mills gets more shots than the 5 star on the Houston roster Quinton Grimes. Why? Because they can make a play or create a shot for themselves and others. We don't have a guy who can do that regardless of how many stars they have.

When Penny had two guards who could finish at the rim, or even create their own shot (Jeremiah Martin, Kareem Brewton) we averaged the most points in the league. We don't have that now consistently enough. Even in 2008, Cal would simply look at CDR or Derrick Rose at times and just yell "Make a play" He didn't call plays all time.

Yes the offense is disappointing considering the freshmen are now sophomores. The level of development and growth from last year to this year is completely non-existent. We could blame it on COVID and no off season workout or whatever. Penny has work to do definitely. But this team lacks what Penny previous two teams were especially known for and that's playing hard. This team stops playing hard whenever they hit adversity. That's mental toughness. Everyone has to do better.
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(12-31-2020 12:18 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 11:49 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 11:00 AM)rolexjames Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 10:29 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 11:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What does that have to do with players missing free throws and wide open shots? We are shooting 29.9% from outside and 53.4% of our free throws in our last 4 games. What does that have to do with East?

So it’s all on the players. Highly ranked players that, up til now, have been very successful.

Why are we shooting poorly? Why do we turn the ball over? Why do we look completely disorganized?

A good coach puts in an offense suited to his players. The poor shooting isn’t always wide open shots. They usually dribble the ball 30 feet from the basket for 25 seconds and then throw up a rushed shot. Good offenses set up open shots (the reason you actually run an offense). And if they can’t make shots, they need to be benched (no matter what their ranking was).

Can’t explain poor free throw shooting. Were they all terrible FT shooters in high school?

The reference to East simply shows Pennys coaching philosophy. Play under matched teams and use incredible athletes to run them off the court. This just doesn’t happen against well coached, decent NCAA teams. He desperately needs someone to take over the offense. There are tons of seasoned coaches out of work. Ones that could coach, but couldn’t recruit (and that’s why they’re out of work, or under employed). Quit hiring your buddies...

Cody Toppert wasn't a buddy. He was the offensive coordinator. He's running a offense that depends on players being multidimensional and we don't have enough of those.

Yep, it’s the players. Top ranked class in conference, yet we struggle to beat USF.

I don’t know what team you’ve been watching, but our offensive sets are non-existent.

The article was spot on..



When Penny had two guards who could finish at the rim, or even create their own shot (Jeremiah Martin, Kareem Brewton) we averaged the most points in the league. We don't have that now consistently enough. Even in 2008, Cal would simply look at CDR or Derrick Rose at times and just yell "Make a play" He didn't call plays all time.

This is the big difference. We literally have nobody that can consistently go one on one and get to their spot or create an open shot for someone else.

Our offense relies 100% on running good sets to create opportunities via turnovers and fast breaks. When our guys stop running their sets is when you see one guy dribbling for 20 seconds and then taking a bad and contested shot.

USF and Tulane were the best examples. We came out hot, hitting shots, running sets and getting good looks. The team decided they no longer needed to run an offense and boom we fell into major slumps. And Penny does not have the luxury telling someone like DJ or Boogie to go get some buckets to get things back on track.
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(12-31-2020 12:18 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  
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(12-30-2020 11:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What does that have to do with players missing free throws and wide open shots? We are shooting 29.9% from outside and 53.4% of our free throws in our last 4 games. What does that have to do with East?

So it’s all on the players. Highly ranked players that, up til now, have been very successful.

Why are we shooting poorly? Why do we turn the ball over? Why do we look completely disorganized?

A good coach puts in an offense suited to his players. The poor shooting isn’t always wide open shots. They usually dribble the ball 30 feet from the basket for 25 seconds and then throw up a rushed shot. Good offenses set up open shots (the reason you actually run an offense). And if they can’t make shots, they need to be benched (no matter what their ranking was).

Can’t explain poor free throw shooting. Were they all terrible FT shooters in high school?

The reference to East simply shows Pennys coaching philosophy. Play under matched teams and use incredible athletes to run them off the court. This just doesn’t happen against well coached, decent NCAA teams. He desperately needs someone to take over the offense. There are tons of seasoned coaches out of work. Ones that could coach, but couldn’t recruit (and that’s why they’re out of work, or under employed). Quit hiring your buddies...

Cody Toppert wasn't a buddy. He was the offensive coordinator. He's running a offense that depends on players being multidimensional and we don't have enough of those.

Yep, it’s the players. Top ranked class in conference, yet we struggle to beat USF.

I don’t know what team you’ve been watching, but our offensive sets are non-existent.

The article was spot on..

If you are in an Open gym and you can take any guard in the AAC you want, or any player in the AAC you want, do you start with a guard or player from Memphis? If you do, that choice is based on potential and reputation not results. Do we have a guard better than Marcus Sasser, Caleb Mills or Caleb Murphy? Marcus Sasser and Caleb Mills gets more shots than the 5 star on the Houston roster Quinton Grimes. Why? Because they can make a play or create a shot for themselves and others. We don't have a guy who can do that regardless of how many stars they have.

When Penny had two guards who could finish at the rim, or even create their own shot (Jeremiah Martin, Kareem Brewton) we averaged the most points in the league. We don't have that now consistently enough. Even in 2008, Cal would simply look at CDR or Derrick Rose at times and just yell "Make a play" He didn't call plays all time.

Yes the offense is disappointing considering the freshmen are now sophomores. The level of development and growth from last year to this year is completely non-existent. We could blame it on COVID and no off season workout or whatever. Penny has work to do definitely. But this team lacks what Penny previous two teams were especially known for and that's playing hard. This team stops playing hard whenever they hit adversity. That's mental toughness. Everyone has to do better.

Tell me about Penny’s previous two teams. Neither did or would (Covid year) have made the tournament. His tenure has been disappointing and this year is shaping up to be the same. Penny’s the coach and is responsible for recruiting, developing, and motivating his players. This is on him...
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(12-30-2020 09:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  If we shoot 45% from the field, 35% from outside and 75% from the foul line, we average 8 points more per game based on the number of shots we've taken. Part of it is poor shot selection; but most of it is bad shooting from kids that were great shooters in high school. Crazy.

Probably has something to do with the defenses they saw in high school weren’t as good as what they see now. Probably has more to do with the fact that there’s no structured offense to get them open looks. Dribble dribble jack up a 3.

It is a lot of wide open shots.

I’ve noticed that too, & after a couple of missed open jumpers or blown point blank attempts in a row, they tend to follow those up with a couple stagnet sets where the movement stops & someone has to try to do too much or a turnover. Which typically leads to a scoring drought & run by opponents.

I’ve seen them either score or get great looks coming out of a timeout or in bounds pass under the basket that I don’t doubt they have been taught plays that work when executed with focus, it’s the periods of lack of focus that gets frustrating.

That being said, I do wish on offense the ball would stay in the facilitators & scorers hands more often & the younger more raw players touches a little more limited. I get they have to learn, but sometimes I feel they are being put in positions difficult for them to be successful in at their current skill level & that has lead to too many turnovers.

It is not all scheme...There are a bunch of open looks that are created...

It seems to be an environment issue. It doesn't seem like these guys are getting better especially at things repetition would just make you better at. (FTs and shooting).

The head coach has to demand that these guys put in the 'required' work on their own. Require they badge in and out of the Finch and keep track of who is there since you cant 'require' extra practice but you can hold them accountable for not doing it.

Steph Curry didn't hit 105 3 pointers in a row on talent...Even as an NBA MVP he is still putting in the work
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it bothers me that it seems like most of their short "shots" arent even real shots. its like they just toss the ball towards the basket with no intent of trying to actually make it. Seems they just want to get the ball up near the rim and then try to out athlete on the tip ins, which doesnt work at all since our "tip ins" never go in.
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(12-31-2020 07:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  it bothers me that it seems like most of their short "shots" arent even real shots. its like they just toss the ball towards the basket with no intent of trying to actually make it. Seems they just want to get the ball up near the rim and then try to out athlete on the tip ins, which doesnt work at all since our "tip ins" never go in.

That is 100% Moussa's MO
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