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RE: From the Denton paper: C-USA's programs, not league office must fix what ails league
A question I have about the CUSA media deal; does it allow for individual institutions to sell their inventory locally? Like if CBSSN and Stadium passes on content rather than have it on ESPN3/+ could say Marshall sell a game or two to a local UHF/VHF station in WV/OH?
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(12-30-2020 12:46 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 06:39 PM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 05:54 PM)blazr Wrote:  These things are cyclical, too. We’re in a period where no one/two programs are going thru a dominate phase. We seem to look over the fact that Memphis (8-3), UCF (6-4), Houston (3-5), and AppSt (9-3) all had relatively down years and may be looking at good conference teams for a few years vs dominating and grabbing National headlines.


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I certainly would like to have one of those 9 - 3 down years.


It’s all relative. You don’t think Alabama would consider a 9-3, no champ, no CFP would consider that a down year? The difference it it takes longer to reload at the G5 level.


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There’s a very big difference between Alabama and App State and expectations of success.
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(12-30-2020 10:08 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  A question I have about the CUSA media deal; does it allow for individual institutions to sell their inventory locally? Like if CBSSN and Stadium passes on content rather than have it on ESPN3/+ could say Marshall sell a game or two to a local UHF/VHF station in WV/OH?

WKU students have been producing games for a long time, probably better off to go on our own like we used to with Fox Sports...WKUs production of games continues to be a lot better than most other CUSA productions I have watched...
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(12-30-2020 10:41 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 10:08 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  A question I have about the CUSA media deal; does it allow for individual institutions to sell their inventory locally? Like if CBSSN and Stadium passes on content rather than have it on ESPN3/+ could say Marshall sell a game or two to a local UHF/VHF station in WV/OH?

WKU students have been producing games for a long time, probably better off to go on our own like we used to with Fox Sports...WKUs production of games continues to be a lot better than most other CUSA productions I have watched...



Yeh, seems that the CUSA TV deal should allow for the ability to sell your own inventory that isn't picked up by the main TV rights holders (CBS/Stadium). If that could get figured out, the only downside to the contract would just being on the bad side of ESPN. One of the biggest complaints I have with ESPN deal the SBC inked is all the 2nd tier has to go to ESPN+ rather than local broadcast stations. When App hosted Wake Forest no station in NC aired the game. It was an ESPN3 exclusive.
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(12-30-2020 09:56 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 05:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 05:03 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  This is just one season, and yes it wasn’t good but this league has bigger issues on the whole than just losing bowl games this year. We get very little exposure, some member schools aren’t even close to the main draw in their market. CUSA leadership has to find a way to increase our national exposure and brand. That leads to better recruits and helps each member school at attract more students as well. Jmo

We fans need to make up our minds on what we are willing to do. I seem to recall most Marshall (CUSA) fans saying Saturday was the day they wanted to play 6 home football games on.

So now Marshall fans are welling to give up 2 to 4 home games each year and play those games on a week night? ESPN gets first and only vote on when those games are played.

I could be wrong but I seem to recall Marshall fans being one of the loudest groups against this. Am I mistaken? That is the one and only way to get espn interested enough to spend money. But even then isnt it a little too late. ESPN owns all of the rights to the conferences they sign and have more content than they can show on their networks....

why do you think CBSSN is showing less CUSA games? ESPN can sell them content to fill slots cheaper than they can buy it from CUSA. Lets be honest once more, the difference in ratings from any of us is not that much difference.

Not one CUSA school or SBC school or MAC school has a big enough built in following to draw ratings that would matter. Especially when it comes to CBSSN.

I'm interested in what any fan on this board thinks CUSA has that is worth more than what they are currently getting? The media contract Judy got for CUSA considering the above. Most every game a fan can sit in their home and watch their school play. Each school getting somewhere in the neighborhood of $400,000. Doing that without Fox or ESPN willing to bid for the games...

deserves a lot more credit than fans give. Once more lets be honest, the leadership of CUSA is trying to polish up a pig, more likely pig **** and getting others to pay for it....

when they are already overloaded with pig ****


The fans against week day games are going to be the most vocal. I wouldn’t mind playing 2 games or so a season on a Thursday or Friday night. Maybe one away and one at home - IF it’s gets the league better exposure. I don’t want all my November games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays like MACtion but I can see why they do it.

I truly think if our games against EKU and App St weren’t on ESPN and CBS and nationally aired, we probably wouldn’t have been ranked. The exposure alone was invaluable. Of course we crapped the bed big time and didn’t fully take advantage of it. Jmho

Of course playing on espn and CSB gives you exposer but unless there a "Covid" every year none of us will be shown on CBS. If the CUSA contract was with espn, we get 1 game a year on the flagship and maybe the conference championship game. But when espn controlled that game they put it on espn2.

This year was different than any other year in our lifetime. Any other year and Marshall or the SBC schools wouldnt have been ranked so early on.

To sum all of this up the only way CUSA is going to get weekly games on espn2, espnu (which isnt any better than CBSSN or the OTA/Fox Regional/Stadium) and maybe 1game on espn...

Give espn complete control of the schedule making on dates and times. But for 80% of CUSA games any fan that wanted to watch that CUSA game...can do just that, with the current media deal. CUSA has two football games each week on TV, TV that a fan can scroll through their guild with their TV remote and find. CBS (networks) and ESPN have built in ratings where people leave their TV on those channels. So while it just a guess on my part that 15 to 20% of viewers for those ratings are ghost viewers (not watching). We are not getting many games on the flagships...

ratings this year in games G5 played vs last season were down as much as 80+% . The Marshall vs Appy St game was down over 80% in viewers from the game last season shown on CBS at the same time slot. For most games its the same way on the espn channels.....

Covid and the fear of it is the only reason G5s outside of the AAC got so much attention early on. Winning also helped those SBC schools. That is the one thing in all schools control....

Scoring more points than the other team. Its also what gets you ranked and ranked higher
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RE: From the Denton paper: C-USA's programs, not league office must fix what ails league
(12-30-2020 04:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 09:56 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 05:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 05:03 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  This is just one season, and yes it wasn’t good but this league has bigger issues on the whole than just losing bowl games this year. We get very little exposure, some member schools aren’t even close to the main draw in their market. CUSA leadership has to find a way to increase our national exposure and brand. That leads to better recruits and helps each member school at attract more students as well. Jmo

We fans need to make up our minds on what we are willing to do. I seem to recall most Marshall (CUSA) fans saying Saturday was the day they wanted to play 6 home football games on.

So now Marshall fans are welling to give up 2 to 4 home games each year and play those games on a week night? ESPN gets first and only vote on when those games are played.

I could be wrong but I seem to recall Marshall fans being one of the loudest groups against this. Am I mistaken? That is the one and only way to get espn interested enough to spend money. But even then isnt it a little too late. ESPN owns all of the rights to the conferences they sign and have more content than they can show on their networks....

why do you think CBSSN is showing less CUSA games? ESPN can sell them content to fill slots cheaper than they can buy it from CUSA. Lets be honest once more, the difference in ratings from any of us is not that much difference.

Not one CUSA school or SBC school or MAC school has a big enough built in following to draw ratings that would matter. Especially when it comes to CBSSN.

I'm interested in what any fan on this board thinks CUSA has that is worth more than what they are currently getting? The media contract Judy got for CUSA considering the above. Most every game a fan can sit in their home and watch their school play. Each school getting somewhere in the neighborhood of $400,000. Doing that without Fox or ESPN willing to bid for the games...

deserves a lot more credit than fans give. Once more lets be honest, the leadership of CUSA is trying to polish up a pig, more likely pig **** and getting others to pay for it....

when they are already overloaded with pig ****


The fans against week day games are going to be the most vocal. I wouldn’t mind playing 2 games or so a season on a Thursday or Friday night. Maybe one away and one at home - IF it’s gets the league better exposure. I don’t want all my November games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays like MACtion but I can see why they do it.

I truly think if our games against EKU and App St weren’t on ESPN and CBS and nationally aired, we probably wouldn’t have been ranked. The exposure alone was invaluable. Of course we crapped the bed big time and didn’t fully take advantage of it. Jmho

Of course playing on espn and CSB gives you exposer but unless there a "Covid" every year none of us will be shown on CBS. If the CUSA contract was with espn, we get 1 game a year on the flagship and maybe the conference championship game. But when espn controlled that game they put it on espn2.

This year was different than any other year in our lifetime. Any other year and Marshall or the SBC schools wouldnt have been ranked so early on.

To sum all of this up the only way CUSA is going to get weekly games on espn2, espnu (which isnt any better than CBSSN or the OTA/Fox Regional/Stadium) and maybe 1game on espn...

Give espn complete control of the schedule making on dates and times. But for 80% of CUSA games any fan that wanted to watch that CUSA game...can do just that, with the current media deal. CUSA has two football games each week on TV, TV that a fan can scroll through their guild with their TV remote and find. CBS (networks) and ESPN have built in ratings where people leave their TV on those channels. So while it just a guess on my part that 15 to 20% of viewers for those ratings are ghost viewers (not watching). We are not getting many games on the flagships...

ratings this year in games G5 played vs last season were down as much as 80+% . The Marshall vs Appy St game was down over 80% in viewers from the game last season shown on CBS at the same time slot. For most games its the same way on the espn channels.....

Covid and the fear of it is the only reason G5s outside of the AAC got so much attention early on. Winning also helped those SBC schools. That is the one thing in all schools control....

Scoring more points than the other team. Its also what gets you ranked and ranked higher
I sure wish it could be different with ESPN, but you are probably right !

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If we had a different conference patch on our jersey we would win more games.
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I think Bowl wins and losses are overated in terms of what it means for a team or conference. The team that is most motivated or thinks they have something to prove usually wins. I believe out of conference games during regular season a better indicator of team and conference strength. The Sun Belt clearly feels like it has something to prove to Conf USA and it showed this year in Bowl performance. I would not however use it as a baramoter for total stregnth of conference.
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(12-31-2020 07:29 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  I think Bowl wins and losses are overated in terms of what it means for a team or conference. The team that is most motivated or thinks they have something to prove usually wins. I believe out of conference games during regular season a better indicator of team and conference strength. The Sun Belt clearly feels like it has something to prove to Conf USA and it showed this year in Bowl performance. I would not however use it as a baramoter for total stregnth of conference.

Well CUSA did a good job of showing we suck during the regular season too.
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(12-31-2020 07:03 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  If we had a different conference patch on our jersey we would win more games.

yep. It will solve our problems.
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What I believe to be an informative article posted on different forum. It certainly touches on many of CUSA issues both as a conference and individual teams

https://www.underdogdynasty.com/conferen...jMqL0dLino
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(12-31-2020 07:03 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  If we had a different conference patch on our jersey we would win more games.

Finally someone gets it.

Do I think Judy is good at her job, no but that has nothing to do with the product on the field.
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In reality, how many programs in this conference are truly improving? The article posted here mentions that the old guard is not playing well and the expansion programs, with a small exception, are not rapidly improving.
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(01-01-2021 04:34 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  In reality, how many programs in this conference are truly improving? The article posted here mentions that the old guard is not playing well and the expansion programs, with a small exception, are not rapidly improving.

In 2020, those programs seemed to all be in the West - UTSA, Rice and UTEP. Granted, they all improved out of Bottom 10 country. 2021 will tell if this a continuing trend.

UAB, Louisiana Tech, Marshall, and FAU are able to maintain success. Even this author points out that ODU and Charlotte seemed to make good hires. We’ve seen USM make significant changes. Bring on 2021.
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(12-30-2020 04:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 09:56 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 05:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 05:03 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  This is just one season, and yes it wasn’t good but this league has bigger issues on the whole than just losing bowl games this year. We get very little exposure, some member schools aren’t even close to the main draw in their market. CUSA leadership has to find a way to increase our national exposure and brand. That leads to better recruits and helps each member school at attract more students as well. Jmo

We fans need to make up our minds on what we are willing to do. I seem to recall most Marshall (CUSA) fans saying Saturday was the day they wanted to play 6 home football games on.

So now Marshall fans are welling to give up 2 to 4 home games each year and play those games on a week night? ESPN gets first and only vote on when those games are played.

I could be wrong but I seem to recall Marshall fans being one of the loudest groups against this. Am I mistaken? That is the one and only way to get espn interested enough to spend money. But even then isnt it a little too late. ESPN owns all of the rights to the conferences they sign and have more content than they can show on their networks....

why do you think CBSSN is showing less CUSA games? ESPN can sell them content to fill slots cheaper than they can buy it from CUSA. Lets be honest once more, the difference in ratings from any of us is not that much difference.

Not one CUSA school or SBC school or MAC school has a big enough built in following to draw ratings that would matter. Especially when it comes to CBSSN.

I'm interested in what any fan on this board thinks CUSA has that is worth more than what they are currently getting? The media contract Judy got for CUSA considering the above. Most every game a fan can sit in their home and watch their school play. Each school getting somewhere in the neighborhood of $400,000. Doing that without Fox or ESPN willing to bid for the games...

deserves a lot more credit than fans give. Once more lets be honest, the leadership of CUSA is trying to polish up a pig, more likely pig **** and getting others to pay for it....

when they are already overloaded with pig ****


The fans against week day games are going to be the most vocal. I wouldn’t mind playing 2 games or so a season on a Thursday or Friday night. Maybe one away and one at home - IF it’s gets the league better exposure. I don’t want all my November games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays like MACtion but I can see why they do it.

I truly think if our games against EKU and App St weren’t on ESPN and CBS and nationally aired, we probably wouldn’t have been ranked. The exposure alone was invaluable. Of course we crapped the bed big time and didn’t fully take advantage of it. Jmho

Of course playing on espn and CSB gives you exposer but unless there a "Covid" every year none of us will be shown on CBS. If the CUSA contract was with espn, we get 1 game a year on the flagship and maybe the conference championship game. But when espn controlled that game they put it on espn2.

This year was different than any other year in our lifetime. Any other year and Marshall or the SBC schools wouldnt have been ranked so early on.

To sum all of this up the only way CUSA is going to get weekly games on espn2, espnu (which isnt any better than CBSSN or the OTA/Fox Regional/Stadium) and maybe 1game on espn...

Give espn complete control of the schedule making on dates and times. But for 80% of CUSA games any fan that wanted to watch that CUSA game...can do just that, with the current media deal. CUSA has two football games each week on TV, TV that a fan can scroll through their guild with their TV remote and find. CBS (networks) and ESPN have built in ratings where people leave their TV on those channels. So while it just a guess on my part that 15 to 20% of viewers for those ratings are ghost viewers (not watching). We are not getting many games on the flagships...

ratings this year in games G5 played vs last season were down as much as 80+% . The Marshall vs Appy St game was down over 80% in viewers from the game last season shown on CBS at the same time slot. For most games its the same way on the espn channels.....

Covid and the fear of it is the only reason G5s outside of the AAC got so much attention early on. Winning also helped those SBC schools. That is the one thing in all schools control....

Scoring more points than the other team. Its also what gets you ranked and ranked higher

Excellent post.

All in media deal for ESPN is terrible ideal. Just look at the Sunbelt. Tuesday and Wednesday night games on majority of games on ESPN3\+ for peanuts. Plus their bowl ties-in are terrible
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(12-31-2020 07:03 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  If we had a different conference patch on our jersey we would win more games.

Probably...also wouldn't play down to the competition as much either I am guessing.
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