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If Notre Dame is the 4th best team in the country...
How can they possibly be a 19.5 point dog to Alabama at a neutral site?

Would Florida or Georgia be a 19.5 dog? This is a good Alabama team, but their defense isn’t up to their usual standards. I’m not saying Alabama isn’t 3 TDS better, just that ND shouldn’t be there.
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(12-29-2020 01:48 AM)banker Wrote:  How can they possibly be a 19.5 point dog to Alabama at a neutral site?

Would Florida or Georgia be a 19.5 dog? This is a good Alabama team, but their defense isn’t up to their usual standards. I’m not saying Alabama isn’t 3 TDS better, just that ND shouldn’t be there.

overall this is considered by many to be one of their best teams under Saban. their offense if much better than normal
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Bama was an 18 pt favorite over Florida in the SEC CCG. Close enough.
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ND really isn't that good. That said, Bama would be highly favored over anyone else who took that spot. I think A&M should have been there instead, but likely the betting line would have been somewhat similar.

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Its Bama and everyone else. Last time Notre Dame was in this position, Bama beat them by a 100. Like UK in hoops, Notre Dame has to work hard to prove they suck, otherwise always they will get the benefit of the doubt. Blueblood privilege is real!
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Bama's defense is overall pretty good. The issue lies in Florida's world beater Tight End. Anytime you spread a team out and force a LB to cover a TE of that caliber you are going to score some points. I knew going in that Florida had the right personnel to attack Alabama's defense. The issue that Notre Dame is going to have is size and speed. They just aren't athletic enough to compete for 4 quarters. A healthy Clemson proved that.
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I think Bama will be -4 or so against Clemson. Bama defense was exposed a good bit against FL.
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(12-29-2020 11:32 AM)everyone Wrote:  I think Bama will be -4 or so against Clemson. Bama defense was exposed a good bit against FL.

I don't think Clemson has the weapons that Florida has. We will see.
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(12-29-2020 09:18 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  ND really isn't that good. That said, Bama would be highly favored over anyone else who took that spot. I think A&M should have been there instead, but likely the betting line would have been somewhat similar.

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I disagree. A&M's signature win of the season was their victory over a 3-loss Florida team that also lost to 5-5 LSU. Notre Dame's only loss of the season was to #2 Clemson in the ACC Championship game, a team btw that Notre Dame had already defeated during the regular season, meaning Notre Dame was in effect 1-1 vs. #2.

If 5-5 LSU hadn't also beaten Florida (in Gainesville I might add), and the Gators' only losses had been to A&M and Alabama, I'd agree with you. I think LSU effectively took the guess work out of figuring out whom to choose between the Irish and the Aggies, sealing A&M's fate.
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(12-29-2020 01:18 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 09:18 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  ND really isn't that good. That said, Bama would be highly favored over anyone else who took that spot. I think A&M should have been there instead, but likely the betting line would have been somewhat similar.

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I disagree. A&M's signature win of the season was their victory over a 3-loss Florida team that also lost to 5-5 LSU. Notre Dame's only loss of the season was to #2 Clemson in the ACC Championship game, a team btw that Notre Dame had already defeated during the regular season, meaning Notre Dame was in effect 1-1 vs. #2.

If 5-5 LSU hadn't also beaten Florida (in Gainesville I might add), and the Gators' only losses had been to A&M and Alabama, I'd agree with you. I think LSU effectively took the guess work out of figuring out whom to choose between the Irish and the Aggies, sealing A&M's fate.

You mean the nail biting victory over Clemson without Lawrence in South Bend?
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(12-29-2020 01:29 PM)banker Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:18 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 09:18 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  ND really isn't that good. That said, Bama would be highly favored over anyone else who took that spot. I think A&M should have been there instead, but likely the betting line would have been somewhat similar.

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I disagree. A&M's signature win of the season was their victory over a 3-loss Florida team that also lost to 5-5 LSU. Notre Dame's only loss of the season was to #2 Clemson in the ACC Championship game, a team btw that Notre Dame had already defeated during the regular season, meaning Notre Dame was in effect 1-1 vs. #2.

If 5-5 LSU hadn't also beaten Florida (in Gainesville I might add), and the Gators' only losses had been to A&M and Alabama, I'd agree with you. I think LSU effectively took the guess work out of figuring out whom to choose between the Irish and the Aggies, sealing A&M's fate.

You mean the nail biting victory over Clemson without Lawrence in South Bend?

Yep, that's the one.
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(12-29-2020 01:35 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:29 PM)banker Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:18 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 09:18 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  ND really isn't that good. That said, Bama would be highly favored over anyone else who took that spot. I think A&M should have been there instead, but likely the betting line would have been somewhat similar.

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I disagree. A&M's signature win of the season was their victory over a 3-loss Florida team that also lost to 5-5 LSU. Notre Dame's only loss of the season was to #2 Clemson in the ACC Championship game, a team btw that Notre Dame had already defeated during the regular season, meaning Notre Dame was in effect 1-1 vs. #2.

If 5-5 LSU hadn't also beaten Florida (in Gainesville I might add), and the Gators' only losses had been to A&M and Alabama, I'd agree with you. I think LSU effectively took the guess work out of figuring out whom to choose between the Irish and the Aggies, sealing A&M's fate.

You mean the nail biting victory over Clemson without Lawrence in South Bend?

Yep, that's the one.

Lawrence wasn't the only player Clemson was missing. Defensive players, James Skalski and Tyler Davis missed the first game and dominated ND in the second. Who did Notre Dame beat? UNC isn't as impressive as everyone wants to make out.
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(12-29-2020 01:35 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:29 PM)banker Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:18 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 09:18 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  ND really isn't that good. That said, Bama would be highly favored over anyone else who took that spot. I think A&M should have been there instead, but likely the betting line would have been somewhat similar.

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I disagree. A&M's signature win of the season was their victory over a 3-loss Florida team that also lost to 5-5 LSU. Notre Dame's only loss of the season was to #2 Clemson in the ACC Championship game, a team btw that Notre Dame had already defeated during the regular season, meaning Notre Dame was in effect 1-1 vs. #2.

If 5-5 LSU hadn't also beaten Florida (in Gainesville I might add), and the Gators' only losses had been to A&M and Alabama, I'd agree with you. I think LSU effectively took the guess work out of figuring out whom to choose between the Irish and the Aggies, sealing A&M's fate.

You mean the nail biting victory over Clemson without Lawrence in South Bend?

Yep, that's the one.

Notre Dame deserved to get in over A&M and undefeated Cincinnati deserved to get in over both of them.
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(12-29-2020 09:18 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  ND really isn't that good. That said, Bama would be highly favored over anyone else who took that spot. I think A&M should have been there instead, but likely the betting line would have been somewhat similar.

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(12-29-2020 01:18 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 09:18 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  ND really isn't that good. That said, Bama would be highly favored over anyone else who took that spot. I think A&M should have been there instead, but likely the betting line would have been somewhat similar.

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I disagree. A&M's signature win of the season was their victory over a 3-loss Florida team that also lost to 5-5 LSU. Notre Dame's only loss of the season was to #2 Clemson in the ACC Championship game, a team btw that Notre Dame had already defeated during the regular season, meaning Notre Dame was in effect 1-1 vs. #2.

If 5-5 LSU hadn't also beaten Florida (in Gainesville I might add), and the Gators' only losses had been to A&M and Alabama, I'd agree with you. I think LSU effectively took the guess work out of figuring out whom to choose between the Irish and the Aggies, sealing A&M's fate.
I'm fully aware of the records of both teams including who they beat, who they didn't beat, and who wasn't playing when they beat Clemson. All that said, I still think A&M is a better team and would beat ND 7 or so out of 10 games.

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(12-29-2020 02:35 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:35 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:29 PM)banker Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:18 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 09:18 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  ND really isn't that good. That said, Bama would be highly favored over anyone else who took that spot. I think A&M should have been there instead, but likely the betting line would have been somewhat similar.

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I disagree. A&M's signature win of the season was their victory over a 3-loss Florida team that also lost to 5-5 LSU. Notre Dame's only loss of the season was to #2 Clemson in the ACC Championship game, a team btw that Notre Dame had already defeated during the regular season, meaning Notre Dame was in effect 1-1 vs. #2.

If 5-5 LSU hadn't also beaten Florida (in Gainesville I might add), and the Gators' only losses had been to A&M and Alabama, I'd agree with you. I think LSU effectively took the guess work out of figuring out whom to choose between the Irish and the Aggies, sealing A&M's fate.

You mean the nail biting victory over Clemson without Lawrence in South Bend?

Yep, that's the one.

Notre Dame deserved to get in over A&M and undefeated Cincinnati deserved to get in over both of them.
IMHO, Cincinnati and Texas A&M both deserved to get in over Ohio State and Notre Dame. There is an argument for Notre Dame but allowing Ohio State to get in with only 2 wins over winning teams is down right wrong. I think it took every semblance of legitimacy left from the College Football Playoff.
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(12-29-2020 02:38 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 02:35 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:35 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:29 PM)banker Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:18 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  I disagree. A&M's signature win of the season was their victory over a 3-loss Florida team that also lost to 5-5 LSU. Notre Dame's only loss of the season was to #2 Clemson in the ACC Championship game, a team btw that Notre Dame had already defeated during the regular season, meaning Notre Dame was in effect 1-1 vs. #2.

If 5-5 LSU hadn't also beaten Florida (in Gainesville I might add), and the Gators' only losses had been to A&M and Alabama, I'd agree with you. I think LSU effectively took the guess work out of figuring out whom to choose between the Irish and the Aggies, sealing A&M's fate.

You mean the nail biting victory over Clemson without Lawrence in South Bend?

Yep, that's the one.

Notre Dame deserved to get in over A&M and undefeated Cincinnati deserved to get in over both of them.
IMHO, Cincinnati and Texas A&M both deserved to get in over Ohio State and Notre Dame. There is an argument for Notre Dame but allowing Ohio State to get in with only 2 wins over winning teams is down right wrong. I think it took every semblance of legitimacy left from the College Football Playoff.

A&M also only has two wins over winning teams. They played 3 teams with winning records, but only won two.
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(12-29-2020 04:19 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 02:38 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 02:35 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:35 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:29 PM)banker Wrote:  You mean the nail biting victory over Clemson without Lawrence in South Bend?

Yep, that's the one.

Notre Dame deserved to get in over A&M and undefeated Cincinnati deserved to get in over both of them.
IMHO, Cincinnati and Texas A&M both deserved to get in over Ohio State and Notre Dame. There is an argument for Notre Dame but allowing Ohio State to get in with only 2 wins over winning teams is down right wrong. I think it took every semblance of legitimacy left from the College Football Playoff.

A&M also only has two wins over winning teams. They played 3 teams with winning records, but only won two.

Yet they played 4 more games than Ohio State.
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(12-29-2020 04:42 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  
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(12-29-2020 02:38 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 02:35 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 01:35 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Yep, that's the one.

Notre Dame deserved to get in over A&M and undefeated Cincinnati deserved to get in over both of them.
IMHO, Cincinnati and Texas A&M both deserved to get in over Ohio State and Notre Dame. There is an argument for Notre Dame but allowing Ohio State to get in with only 2 wins over winning teams is down right wrong. I think it took every semblance of legitimacy left from the College Football Playoff.

A&M also only has two wins over winning teams. They played 3 teams with winning records, but only won two.

Yet they played 4 more games than Ohio State.

They played 3 more games, and so what?

A&M played nine games, three against teams with winning records, and won two of them. So 33% of their games were against teams with winning records.

Ohio State played six games, two against teams with winning records, and won both of them. So 33% of their games were against teams with winning records as well.

A&M finished 8-1, and Ohio State finished 6-0, and 6-0 trumps 8-1. In case you haven't caught on, the overall number of games played didn't play a big role in any sort of standings or rankings this year due to COVID. If A&M hadn't lost to 'Bama by almost 30 points, they might've been looked at in a more favorable light.

Having said that, Coastal Carolina finished 11-0, Cincinnati finished 9-0, and San Jose State finished 7-0. Someone could make the argument that one of them should've been in there as well. But you and I both know, whether we feel it's right or not, that they're not gonna let a G5 into a 4-team national championship playoff. Unless they expand the field to eight teams, we're pretty much locked out.
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