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RE: Penny says he's changing offense because ......
(12-30-2020 01:08 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
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(12-30-2020 12:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

Some observers have been saying this for 3 years now.

I can't believe you smart fellers haven't noticed the same pattern with Penny as Pastner.

Pastner ?---is he the coach that took us to our last 4 trnys ?
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RE: Penny says he's changing offense because ......
(12-30-2020 01:14 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:08 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 12:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

Some observers have been saying this for 3 years now.

I can't believe you smart fellers haven't noticed the same pattern with Penny as Pastner.

Not trying to be smart here but I have more faith and confidence in Penny over Josh.

Josh ?--is he the coach that took us to our last 4 trnys ?
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RE: Penny says he's changing offense because ......
(12-30-2020 01:22 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:14 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:08 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 12:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

Some observers have been saying this for 3 years now.

I can't believe you smart fellers haven't noticed the same pattern with Penny as Pastner.

Not trying to be smart here but I have more faith and confidence in Penny over Josh.

At least Penny is willing to make a change in his 3rd year. Josh refused to listen to anyone, even other coaches about what he needed to do in order to improve as a coach. Took getting ran out of town and starting over before he was willing to consider he might not have all the answers.

Josh ? Is he the coach that took us to our last 4 trnys ?
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RE: Penny says he's changing offense because ......
(12-30-2020 01:26 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:14 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:08 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 12:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Now Penny says he's realizing he might need to shorten the rotation, since some are more productive than others..........SMH. Casual observers have been saying for weeks we need off-ball movement & a shorter rotation. And NOW, last nights announcers said Penny had finally installed a new offense, a couple of new defenses (what's been happening since practice began?). 10 games in the coach now makes the changes after we have lost any chance to make the tourney except win the AAC tourney.

And the forever positive crowd will now say, just be glad Penny is making changes.

Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

Some observers have been saying this for 3 years now.

I can't believe you smart fellers haven't noticed the same pattern with Penny as Pastner.

Not trying to be smart here but I have more faith and confidence in Penny over Josh.

lol no kidding. Scientology religion is not much of a foundation for basketball.

Pastner, I met in person at the Vegas tournament...I'm probably the only person who found him creepy and disingenuous, but o well... nuff said. lol

Nobody's gonna please everybody and nobody's perfect. Some fans will search for Nobody till the end of their days, though. lol

I didn't know Pastner was a Scientologist ---where have I been LOL
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The offense had real movement for the first time in a long time. What is tough with these guys is that when things go good, they completely break from script and start playing to showcase themselves and then when things start to go bad due to showcase ball they seem to double down with one on one hero ball. We saw this with Nolley when just started jacking up wild shots early in the game and then by everyone to start the second half.

Fortunately, last night Alo came in and blew that up by playing his ass off on defense. I have been openly critical of Alo's skill level and decision making. However, last night he deserves 100% of the credit for us winning. His intensity defensively disrupted the USF offense (which was rolling over us) and it also prompted the rest of the team to get after it. And his defense resulted in layups for us when we could not score outside of 2 feet.

I am more frustrated by this team than maybe any team before them. When these guys drop the "cool guy" - "bring all the smoke" act and actually value winning over style they are really good. We saw it against St. Mary, we saw it in the last 10 minutes or so of last night and during other stretches here and there. The problem is they far to often value style above all else. They want to air guitar because they make 1 three despite missing the 5 before it, flex after making a layup despite missing 20 others, stare down people on a block despite the other team being on a 20-5 run. When they cut all of the extra bull$hit out and they are gritty and they grind they are really good.

I have said Alo should be really limited. That is true when he is trying to be Chris Paul on the court. But IF we can get the Alo from last night (more like a Patrick Beverly) and he can ignite the rest of the team to follow then he should see lots of minutes. I think Williams has the natural dawg in him so hopefully Alo and Williams can get everyone else on board and get this season rolling.
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RE: Penny says he's changing offense because ......
(12-30-2020 02:25 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:26 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:14 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:08 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Does that mean you are part of the forever negative crowd?

Some observers have been saying this for 3 years now.

I can't believe you smart fellers haven't noticed the same pattern with Penny as Pastner.

Not trying to be smart here but I have more faith and confidence in Penny over Josh.

lol no kidding. Scientology religion is not much of a foundation for basketball.

Pastner, I met in person at the Vegas tournament...I'm probably the only person who found him creepy and disingenuous, but o well... nuff said. lol

Nobody's gonna please everybody and nobody's perfect. Some fans will search for Nobody till the end of their days, though. lol

I didn't know Pastner was a Scientologist ---where have I been LOL

rumors.... very solid rumors about that from 'insiders'.

I will now post the Fan Rules for all to see

Rule #1. Everything is fluid

Rule #2. Believe the rumors that support your personal needs

Rule #3. You can never reason a person out of a position he was never really reasoned into.

Rule #4. Stay away from sports fans who think they are logical

Rule #5. Never tell another sport's fan where he's been

Rule #6. See rule #1
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(12-30-2020 02:27 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  The offense had real movement for the first time in a long time. What is tough with these guys is that when things go good, they completely break from script and start playing to showcase themselves and then when things start to go bad due to showcase ball they seem to double down with one on one hero ball. We saw this with Nolley when just started jacking up wild shots early in the game and then by everyone to start the second half.

Fortunately, last night Alo came in and blew that up by playing his ass off on defense. I have been openly critical of Alo's skill level and decision making. However, last night he deserves 100% of the credit for us winning. His intensity defensively disrupted the USF offense (which was rolling over us) and it also prompted the rest of the team to get after it. And his defense resulted in layups for us when we could not score outside of 2 feet.

I am more frustrated by this team than maybe any team before them. When these guys drop the "cool guy" - "bring all the smoke" act and actually value winning over style they are really good. We saw it against St. Mary, we saw it in the last 10 minutes or so of last night and during other stretches here and there. The problem is they far to often value style above all else. They want to air guitar because they make 1 three despite missing the 5 before it, flex after making a layup despite missing 20 others, stare down people on a block despite the other team being on a 20-5 run. When they cut all of the extra bull$hit out and they are gritty and they grind they are really good.

I have said Alo should be really limited. That is true when he is trying to be Chris Paul on the court. But IF we can get the Alo from last night (more like a Patrick Beverly) and he can ignite the rest of the team to follow then he should see lots of minutes. I think Williams has the natural dawg in him so hopefully Alo and Williams can get everyone else on board and get this season rolling.

Agree Alo steals on defense were key to turning the momentum around but got to give LQ some credit too with his defense and timing baskets late. Could add DJ & Williams to that list as well, each had a key part in that comeback. My frustration is that we should have never been in that hole. We were playing well early then Nolley went off script & should have been pulled rather than the entire 5 on the court. We never got back on track after that & dug a big hole until the late team effort to pull out the win.
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RE: Penny says he's changing offense because ......
(12-30-2020 02:37 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 02:25 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:26 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:14 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 01:08 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Some observers have been saying this for 3 years now.

I can't believe you smart fellers haven't noticed the same pattern with Penny as Pastner.

Not trying to be smart here but I have more faith and confidence in Penny over Josh.

lol no kidding. Scientology religion is not much of a foundation for basketball.

Pastner, I met in person at the Vegas tournament...I'm probably the only person who found him creepy and disingenuous, but o well... nuff said. lol

Nobody's gonna please everybody and nobody's perfect. Some fans will search for Nobody till the end of their days, though. lol

I didn't know Pastner was a Scientologist ---where have I been LOL

rumors.... very solid rumors about that from 'insiders'.

I will now post the Fan Rules for all to see

Rule #1. Everything is fluid

Rule #2. Believe the rumors that support your personal needs

Rule #3. You can never reason a person out of a position he was never really reasoned into.

Rule #4. Stay away from sports fans who think they are logical

Rule #5. Never tell another sport's fan where he's been

Rule #6. See rule #1

LOL--Classic
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Well there is the fact that Cissé is an extremely valuable player, but still a WIP.
Not up to speed yet--literally--which is totally understandable. The only way he achieves his potential is to play him. So ....we gotta gird our loins. whatever that means.

I have a feeling he has a strong learning curve. Memphis fans gotta leave room for the really talented players to learn from experience. Most of us never do that--whether it's our QB, or a PG or a Head Coach, for that matter.

We won last night, stole a gazillion inbounds and there wasn't a soul in the Forum to cheer our players on...It had the atmosphere of a pickup practice game. Ain't no fixing that right now.
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RE: Penny says he's changing offense because ......
(12-30-2020 02:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 02:27 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  The offense had real movement for the first time in a long time. What is tough with these guys is that when things go good, they completely break from script and start playing to showcase themselves and then when things start to go bad due to showcase ball they seem to double down with one on one hero ball. We saw this with Nolley when just started jacking up wild shots early in the game and then by everyone to start the second half.

Fortunately, last night Alo came in and blew that up by playing his ass off on defense. I have been openly critical of Alo's skill level and decision making. However, last night he deserves 100% of the credit for us winning. His intensity defensively disrupted the USF offense (which was rolling over us) and it also prompted the rest of the team to get after it. And his defense resulted in layups for us when we could not score outside of 2 feet.

I am more frustrated by this team than maybe any team before them. When these guys drop the "cool guy" - "bring all the smoke" act and actually value winning over style they are really good. We saw it against St. Mary, we saw it in the last 10 minutes or so of last night and during other stretches here and there. The problem is they far to often value style above all else. They want to air guitar because they make 1 three despite missing the 5 before it, flex after making a layup despite missing 20 others, stare down people on a block despite the other team being on a 20-5 run. When they cut all of the extra bull$hit out and they are gritty and they grind they are really good.

I have said Alo should be really limited. That is true when he is trying to be Chris Paul on the court. But IF we can get the Alo from last night (more like a Patrick Beverly) and he can ignite the rest of the team to follow then he should see lots of minutes. I think Williams has the natural dawg in him so hopefully Alo and Williams can get everyone else on board and get this season rolling.

Agree Alo steals on defense were key to turning the momentum around but got to give LQ some credit too with his defense and timing baskets late. Could add DJ & Williams to that list as well, each had a key part in that comeback. My frustration is that we should have never been in that hole. We were playing well early then Nolley went off script & should have been pulled rather than the entire 5 on the court. We never got back on track after that & dug a big hole until the late team effort to pull out the win.

Ya, I certainly am not trying to say he did it alone because it definitely became a full team effort. My thought process was essentially - had Alo not turned it on and started caring more about winning than being too cool give 100% effort then Lester, DJ and so on would never have been in a position to hit big shots because we would have been down 20 instead of 2.

And I agree. Penny said in his press conference a day or so before the game that he had been too slow to pull guys who started playing selfishly and was going to start having a quicker trigger on that. I thought he had the perfect opportunity to drive that home to his players last night when Nolley started playing wildly out of control and instead left him in and then made a full line change. I was really confused. IMO he missed a massive chance to make his statement to his team.
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(12-30-2020 02:48 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Well there is the fact that Cissé is an extremely valuable player, but still a WIP.
Not up to speed yet--literally--which is totally understandable. The only way he achieves his potential is to play him. So ....we gotta gird our loins. whatever that means.

I have a feeling he has a strong learning curve. Memphis fans gotta leave room for the really talented players to learn from experience. Most of us never do that--whether it's our QB, or a PG or a Head Coach, for that matter.

We won last night, stole a gazillion inbounds and there wasn't a soul in the Forum to cheer our players on...It had the atmosphere of a pickup practice game. Ain't no fixing that right now.

Cisse has not been as bad as some are acting like. He is extremely raw offensively. He needs to gain strength to finish down low. Defensively he is slow to react when he switches on a guard. But he has been a pretty good rim protector, by far our best on the roster. He will gain speed, strength and instincts as the season goes but only if he is getting the time on the court as you said.

I thought we all saw development last night. That USF guard dunked on Cisse because he was slow to get off the ground expecting a layup. The guard went at Cisse two more times and he was ready. He learned from the mistake and shut him down at the rim the last two times.
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Agree with many posts. I have been critical of A-lo - and still was on some of his drives last night. But his D was something to watch. He was determined to get that ball - and he did more times than not. Nolley was okay - he just had a few moment in H1. I thought DJ showed a lot more hustle than he has been. Cisse blew some chances, but he had his moments. Jayden and Boogie had rough nights.

One thing I've noticed is that when the refs allow "teams to play" - that is, they don't call many fouls - we really struggle offensively. (And when they do call fouls, we miss the FTs.) The playbook seems to be to rough us up because we're physically soft and can't hit FTs. It's why we need Cisse to keep improving and we really need a healthy Dandridge. And why we need shooters to start taking FTs seriously.

Again, I think Penny has to look at the strength training this offseason.
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(12-30-2020 05:54 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Agree with many posts. I have been critical of A-lo - and still was on some of his drives last night. But his D was something to watch. He was determined to get that ball - and he did more times than not. Nolley was okay - he just had a few moment in H1. I thought DJ showed a lot more hustle than he has been. Cisse blew some chances, but he had his moments. Jayden and Boogie had rough nights.

One thing I've noticed is that when the refs allow "teams to play" - that is, they don't call many fouls - we really struggle offensively. (And when they do call fouls, we miss the FTs.) The playbook seems to be to rough us up because we're physically soft and can't hit FTs. It's why we need Cisse to keep improving and we really need a healthy Dandridge. And why we need shooters to start taking FTs seriously.

Again, I think Penny has to look at the strength training this offseason.

Agree...This team needs to learn how to play with contact.

And the whole FT/Open Jump Shot debacle is going to require players wanting to put in the work.
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