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Regarding potential FCS to FBS schools, there have been reports that some of the schools like JMU and NDSU that could easily make the jump with success aren't planning to do so.

Why? In the case of JMU, as an administrator stated, they could "go broke," with the suggestion being made that the only way that they could make ends meet would be as a member of the AAC.

NDSU's concerns are also fiscal in nature, although in their case, the travel costs were thought to be prohibitive, and the distances involved were too great to permit them to work out a membership in the MWC.

While JMU and NDSU aren't the only potential FCS to FBS schools, their concerns may be shared by others.

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One might imagine that the SBC, with only 10 members - - several of which are recent FCS to FBS schools, is perfectly positioned to build its viewership by bringing a school like JMU aboard, and yet this doesn't appear likely to happen any time soon, according to the interviewed JMU administrator.

Perhaps the SBC can't find a way to provide a JMU with enough revenue to make the switch because their broadcasting network isn't willing to expand their deal with the SBC at the present time.

Perhaps that will change in a year or two. If so, it might just be a waiting game.

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So what about NDSU? Will they simply be left out in the cold?

It's starting to look that way, unless the MWC gets a large enough boost in their next broadcasting deal to make it affordable to NDSU. Part of the problem is that the nearest MWC schools (Wyoming, CSU) are 800 miles away. The average difference to the schools Eastern Division of the MWC would be ~1,000 miles.

However, what about the MAC?

The closest MAC team (N. Illinois) is ~600 miles away, but the average travel distance to the westernmost MAC schools is ~900 miles. However, unlike the most distant MWC schools, which are ~1,500, ~1,900, or ~3,500 miles away), the average distance to the easternmost MAC schools is only ~1,000 miles).

Clearly, the MAC would appear to be a better geographical fit for NDSU, which is located near the center of the western Minnesota border. However, with every conference game requiring a 1,000 mile flight, the travel costs might be a deal-breaker, unless the MAC's network broadcaster would view it as being profitable to boost their MAC investment enough to make it possible.

Unfortunately for NDSU, the only other conference possibilities would be the Big Ten (the western schools are within a day's drive), the Big 12 (3 are within a long day's drive), or the AAC, all three of which would provide the necessary revenues. But none would be likely to show any interest, given a wealth of other options.

Unless some nearby FCS schools move up to the FBS in the years ahead, the MAC and MWC will be NDSU's only FBS options, unless...

...unless some of the current FBS independents (UMass, NMSU, Liberty, UConn (FB only), and Army (FB)) were to band together with 3-5 FCS to FBS schools and arrange a broadcasting deal with one of the networks (perhaps CBS or Fox would be willing to take the plunge for a small sum).

Call it "The New FBS Football Conference:"

See: College Football Realignment Speculation List

https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/11/04...tion-list/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/7519...the-answer

Eastern Division:[/b]

UMass
UConn
Army
Liberty (FBS)
James Madison (FCS-FBS)
Jacksonville State? (FCS-FBS)

Central Division:

NDSU? (FCS-FBS)
U. Texas-Arlington (FCS-FBS)
Youngstown St.? (FCS-FBS)
Eastern Kentucky? (FCS-FBS)
Tennessee St? (FCS-FBS)
U. Tenn - Chattanooga? (FCS-FBS)

Western Division:

New Mexico St. (FBS)
NDSU? (FCS-FBS)
Eastern Washington? (FCS-FBS)
Southern Utah? (FCS-FBS)
West Texas A&M? (FCS-FBS)

In a non-COVID year, the G5 content doesn't offer much to the TV markets from September to early Novemger. There is just so much stinking content from the p5. It fills five time slots from noon to midnight.

But the place where a G5 tournament would garner eyeballs is in late-November to late-December. In that window, it could legitimately steal eyeballs from p5. Why? America loves tournaments.

NBA viewership flatlines from Dec-April...then the playoffs.
NCAA basketball doesn't exist for most of America until March.

But market a 16 team tourney with mid-majors from all over the country, and casual fans will flock.

Let's see...do I want to watch 7-3 Iowa against 5-5 Minnesota in mid-November or the first round of 9-2 San Jose State versus 10-1 Coastal Carolina in the first round of the G5 tourney? Sure, I may have watched Iowa a few times during the season and the G5 teams zero times...but the excitement and STAKES of a tourney game would get me to watch.

And if that doesn't hook you...how about a mid-December G5 final 4 game while the P5 is on their weird month-long hiatus before the New Year's Six bowls? Those games would be a huge draw.

I know you G5 fans love the illusion that you're "big time football"...but the ADs and presidents of your schools know which way the wind is blowing.

(12-31-2020 12:34 AM)micahandme Wrote:  In a non-COVID year, the G5 content doesn't offer much to the TV markets from September to early Novemger. There is just so much stinking content from the p5. It fills five time slots from noon to midnight.

But the place where a G5 tournament would garner eyeballs is in late-November to late-December. In that window, it could legitimately steal eyeballs from p5. Why? America loves tournaments.

NBA viewership flatlines from Dec-April...then the playoffs.
NCAA basketball doesn't exist for most of America until March.

But market a 16 team tourney with mid-majors from all over the country, and casual fans will flock.

Let's see...do I want to watch 7-3 Iowa against 5-5 Minnesota in mid-November or the first round of 9-2 San Jose State versus 10-1 Coastal Carolina in the first round of the G5 tourney? Sure, I may have watched Iowa a few times during the season and the G5 teams zero times...but the excitement and STAKES of a tourney game would get me to watch.

And if that doesn't hook you...how about a mid-December G5 final 4 game while the P5 is on their weird month-long hiatus before the New Year's Six bowls? Those games would be a huge draw.

I know you G5 fans love the illusion that you're "big time football"...but the ADs and presidents of your schools know which way the wind is blowing.

I've said for some time that the G5 should collectively skim 5 million a year for 5 years off the top of the 85-90 million they get for the CFP each year and use it to create a series of 3 high paying "Champions Bowls" that would serve as the post season destinations for the 4 G5 champs not playing in the access bowl. After 5 years, the G5 bowl fund would reach 25 million---more than enough to fund the games. The payoff for the participating P5's would be as high as CFP game and 2 of the 3 bowls would pit a G5 champ vs a high ranking P5. The last one would pit the #4 G5 champ vs the #5 G5 champ.

My idea would be play these games in the dead time gap between the NYD games and the National Championship game. Give people something else to do other than watch the talking heads talk about the NCG.

(12-31-2020 12:52 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 12:34 AM)micahandme Wrote:  In a non-COVID year, the G5 content doesn't offer much to the TV markets from September to early Novemger. There is just so much stinking content from the p5. It fills five time slots from noon to midnight.

But the place where a G5 tournament would garner eyeballs is in late-November to late-December. In that window, it could legitimately steal eyeballs from p5. Why? America loves tournaments.

NBA viewership flatlines from Dec-April...then the playoffs.
NCAA basketball doesn't exist for most of America until March.

But market a 16 team tourney with mid-majors from all over the country, and casual fans will flock.

Let's see...do I want to watch 7-3 Iowa against 5-5 Minnesota in mid-November or the first round of 9-2 San Jose State versus 10-1 Coastal Carolina in the first round of the G5 tourney? Sure, I may have watched Iowa a few times during the season and the G5 teams zero times...but the excitement and STAKES of a tourney game would get me to watch.

And if that doesn't hook you...how about a mid-December G5 final 4 game while the P5 is on their weird month-long hiatus before the New Year's Six bowls? Those games would be a huge draw.

I know you G5 fans love the illusion that you're "big time football"...but the ADs and presidents of your schools know which way the wind is blowing.

I've said for some time that the G5 should collectively skim 5 million a year for 5 years off the top of the 85-90 million they get for the CFP each year and use it to create a series of 3 high paying "Champions Bowls" that would serve as the post season destinations for the 4 G5 champs not playing in the access bowl. After 5 years, the G5 bowl fund would reach 25 million---more than enough to fund the games. The payoff for the participating P5's would be as high as CFP game and 2 of the 3 bowls would pit a G5 champ vs a high ranking P5. The last one would pit the #4 G5 champ vs the #5 G5 champ.

My idea would be play these games in the dead time gap between the NYD games and the National Championship game. Give people something else to do other than watch the talking heads talk about the NCG.

That would be better than what we have. But the pinhole leak in that balloon is...the winner gets nothing. Bragging rights? We're the best G5 team...and ended up ranked #9?!?!? Woo hoo. Boring.

If I were a fan of Temple instead of Penn State, I would love a G5 tourney. Playing to win the AAC is great...but playing to win the AAC and then MAYBE win a G5 tourney would be awesome. As it is, Temple has zero shot of winning any kind of "national" championship.

My PSU has a slim chance, but as a P5 school with a decent history and fan base, it's still a chance. So we gotta keep shooting for the moon... :/

(12-31-2020 04:41 PM)micahandme Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 12:52 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 12:34 AM)micahandme Wrote:  In a non-COVID year, the G5 content doesn't offer much to the TV markets from September to early Novemger. There is just so much stinking content from the p5. It fills five time slots from noon to midnight.

But the place where a G5 tournament would garner eyeballs is in late-November to late-December. In that window, it could legitimately steal eyeballs from p5. Why? America loves tournaments.

NBA viewership flatlines from Dec-April...then the playoffs.
NCAA basketball doesn't exist for most of America until March.

But market a 16 team tourney with mid-majors from all over the country, and casual fans will flock.

Let's see...do I want to watch 7-3 Iowa against 5-5 Minnesota in mid-November or the first round of 9-2 San Jose State versus 10-1 Coastal Carolina in the first round of the G5 tourney? Sure, I may have watched Iowa a few times during the season and the G5 teams zero times...but the excitement and STAKES of a tourney game would get me to watch.

And if that doesn't hook you...how about a mid-December G5 final 4 game while the P5 is on their weird month-long hiatus before the New Year's Six bowls? Those games would be a huge draw.

I know you G5 fans love the illusion that you're "big time football"...but the ADs and presidents of your schools know which way the wind is blowing.

I've said for some time that the G5 should collectively skim 5 million a year for 5 years off the top of the 85-90 million they get for the CFP each year and use it to create a series of 3 high paying "Champions Bowls" that would serve as the post season destinations for the 4 G5 champs not playing in the access bowl. After 5 years, the G5 bowl fund would reach 25 million---more than enough to fund the games. The payoff for the participating P5's would be as high as CFP game and 2 of the 3 bowls would pit a G5 champ vs a high ranking P5. The last one would pit the #4 G5 champ vs the #5 G5 champ.

My idea would be play these games in the dead time gap between the NYD games and the National Championship game. Give people something else to do other than watch the talking heads talk about the NCG.

That would be better than what we have. But the pinhole leak in that balloon is...the winner gets nothing. Bragging rights? We're the best G5 team...and ended up ranked #9?!?!? Woo hoo. Boring.

If I were a fan of Temple instead of Penn State, I would love a G5 tourney. Playing to win the AAC is great...but playing to win the AAC and then MAYBE win a G5 tourney would be awesome. As it is, Temple has zero shot of winning any kind of "national" championship.

My PSU has a slim chance, but as a P5 school with a decent history and fan base, it's still a chance. So we gotta keep shooting for the moon... :/

I think you misunderstand. I dont support anything that could be percieved to be a separate G5 playoff. My proposed "Champions Bowls" are just 3 stand alone bowls. You go to your bowl and when its over, you go home. Its not a playoff. Im just proposing a series of high quality bowls (two G5 champs playing against ranked P5's and one bowl pitting two G5 champs against one another) that will give the G5 something that is like the Rose Bowl is to the Big 10 or the Sugar Bowl is to the SEC. My proposal operates within the current CFP/bowl system structure. Its only purpose is to insure that all the G5 champs have a quality post season destination.

(12-31-2020 05:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think you misunderstand. I dont support anything that could be percieved to be a separate G5 playoff. My proposed "Champions Bowls" are just 3 stand alone bowls. You go to your bowl and when its over, you go home. Its not a playoff. Im just proposing a series of high quality bowls (two G5 champs playing against ranked P5's and one bowl pitting two G5 champs against one another) that will give the G5 something that is like the Rose Bowl is to the Big 10 or the Sugar Bowl is to the SEC. My proposal operates within the current CFP/bowl system structure. Its only purpose is to insure that all the G5 champs have a quality post season destination.

Some key words in this paragraph are "perceived", "high quality bowls", and "quality post season destination".

Today we had a bowl which kind of fit the definitions on paper of what you proposed as it pit the MAC Champion vs. the MWC Champion. There was also a game between Coastal Carolina and Liberty. I didn't watch a minute of either of those games but I did watch some of the Cotton Bowl. I think the first problem is convincing a "high quality" bowl to take on two G5 teams. It probably was easier this season with limited fan attendance. Most of the bowls would rather take the eighth place SEC team than the MAC Champion. The only reason the MAC-MWC made it to CBS today is because the Sun Bowl was canceled. I don't even remember the name of the MAC-MWC bowl without looking it up nor remember what bowl Coastal Carolina and Liberty played in. Then again I don't care what bowl Mississippi State played in today and the only reason I even care about it is because of the fight. I do remember one year TCU and Boise State played each other in the Fiesta Bowl under the old BCS system but to me that then became the "dud" BCS bowl (and I dislike the Fiesta Bowl anyway). You can create a "major" bowl or two that feature two G5 champions but I have a feeling most casual college football fans will ignore it/them. In fact, what do the G5's gain by proving they are the best among the G5's? If I'm Temple, I'd rather play an SEC or Big Ten team in a bowl and try to prove I belong at their level than play another top G5 team and prove I'm a "better" G5 team. Will beating G5 teams get Temple (or Cincinnati or Boise State) into the P5's? Most likely not. But neither will playing each other. I remember watching TCU winning the Rose Bowl than I remember them in the Fiesta Bowl.

(12-31-2020 07:07 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 05:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think you misunderstand. I dont support anything that could be percieved to be a separate G5 playoff. My proposed "Champions Bowls" are just 3 stand alone bowls. You go to your bowl and when its over, you go home. Its not a playoff. Im just proposing a series of high quality bowls (two G5 champs playing against ranked P5's and one bowl pitting two G5 champs against one another) that will give the G5 something that is like the Rose Bowl is to the Big 10 or the Sugar Bowl is to the SEC. My proposal operates within the current CFP/bowl system structure. Its only purpose is to insure that all the G5 champs have a quality post season destination.

Some key words in this paragraph are "perceived", "high quality bowls", and "quality post season destination".

Today we had a bowl which kind of fit the definitions on paper of what you proposed as it pit the MAC Champion vs. the MWC Champion. There was also a game between Coastal Carolina and Liberty. I didn't watch a minute of either of those games but I did watch some of the Cotton Bowl. I think the first problem is convincing a "high quality" bowl to take on two G5 teams. It probably was easier this season with limited fan attendance. Most of the bowls would rather take the eighth place SEC team than the MAC Champion. The only reason the MAC-MWC made it to CBS today is because the Sun Bowl was canceled. I don't even remember the name of the MAC-MWC bowl without looking it up nor remember what bowl Coastal Carolina and Liberty played in. Then again I don't care what bowl Mississippi State played in today and the only reason I even care about it is because of the fight. I do remember one year TCU and Boise State played each other in the Fiesta Bowl under the old BCS system but to me that then became the "dud" BCS bowl (and I dislike the Fiesta Bowl anyway). You can create a "major" bowl or two that feature two G5 champions but I have a feeling most casual college football fans will ignore it/them. In fact, what do the G5's gain by proving they are the best among the G5's? If I'm Temple, I'd rather play an SEC or Big Ten team in a bowl and try to prove I belong at their level than play another top G5 team and prove I'm a "better" G5 team. Will beating G5 teams get Temple (or Cincinnati or Boise State) into the P5's? Most likely not. But neither will playing each other. I remember watching TCU winning the Rose Bowl than I remember them in the Fiesta Bowl.

Well high quality starts with not being played prior to Christmas. As for the rest of your concerns--I dont get the impression your not that familiar with the proposal.

G5 Bowl 1---#2 G5 champ vs highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl
G5 Bowl 2---#3 G5 Champ vs next highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl

G5 Bowl 3---#4 G5 champ vs #5 G5 champ

So, in two of the bowls "high quality" would be 2 G5 champs vs a ranked P5. The other bowl would be two G5 champions playing after Christmas. My preference would be to place all 3 games in period between the NYD games and the National Championship game. That would be a nice window for these teams to be showcased.

So---the proposal is just for 3 high end bowls. There is no playoff. Two of the games are G5 champs vs ranked P5's. These bowls would have nothing to do with determining the "best of the G5". We theoretically already know that---its the G5 champ heading to the access bowl. They are just showcase games that occur after Christmas--preferably in between NYD and the National Championship game.

(12-31-2020 10:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 07:07 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 05:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think you misunderstand. I dont support anything that could be percieved to be a separate G5 playoff. My proposed "Champions Bowls" are just 3 stand alone bowls. You go to your bowl and when its over, you go home. Its not a playoff. Im just proposing a series of high quality bowls (two G5 champs playing against ranked P5's and one bowl pitting two G5 champs against one another) that will give the G5 something that is like the Rose Bowl is to the Big 10 or the Sugar Bowl is to the SEC. My proposal operates within the current CFP/bowl system structure. Its only purpose is to insure that all the G5 champs have a quality post season destination.

Some key words in this paragraph are "perceived", "high quality bowls", and "quality post season destination".

Today we had a bowl which kind of fit the definitions on paper of what you proposed as it pit the MAC Champion vs. the MWC Champion. There was also a game between Coastal Carolina and Liberty. I didn't watch a minute of either of those games but I did watch some of the Cotton Bowl. I think the first problem is convincing a "high quality" bowl to take on two G5 teams. It probably was easier this season with limited fan attendance. Most of the bowls would rather take the eighth place SEC team than the MAC Champion. The only reason the MAC-MWC made it to CBS today is because the Sun Bowl was canceled. I don't even remember the name of the MAC-MWC bowl without looking it up nor remember what bowl Coastal Carolina and Liberty played in. Then again I don't care what bowl Mississippi State played in today and the only reason I even care about it is because of the fight. I do remember one year TCU and Boise State played each other in the Fiesta Bowl under the old BCS system but to me that then became the "dud" BCS bowl (and I dislike the Fiesta Bowl anyway). You can create a "major" bowl or two that feature two G5 champions but I have a feeling most casual college football fans will ignore it/them. In fact, what do the G5's gain by proving they are the best among the G5's? If I'm Temple, I'd rather play an SEC or Big Ten team in a bowl and try to prove I belong at their level than play another top G5 team and prove I'm a "better" G5 team. Will beating G5 teams get Temple (or Cincinnati or Boise State) into the P5's? Most likely not. But neither will playing each other. I remember watching TCU winning the Rose Bowl than I remember them in the Fiesta Bowl.

Well high quality starts with not being played prior to Christmas. As for the rest of your concerns--I dont get the impression your not that familiar with the proposal.

G5 Bowl 1---#2 G5 champ vs highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl
G5 Bowl 2---#3 G5 Champ vs next highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl

G5 Bowl 3---#4 G5 champ vs #5 G5 champ

So, in two of the bowls "high quality" would be 2 G5 champs vs a ranked P5. The other bowl would be two G5 champions playing after Christmas. My preference would be to place all 3 games in period between the NYD games and the National Championship game. That would be a nice window for these teams to be showcased.

So---the proposal is just for 3 high end bowls. There is no playoff. Two of the games are G5 champs vs ranked P5's. These bowls would have nothing to do with determining the "best of the G5". We theoretically already know that---its the G5 champ heading to the access bowl. They are just showcase games that occur after Christmas--preferably in between NYD and the National Championship game.

What’s in it for the P5’s or the bowls? You’d have traded ND LSU in the 2018 citrus bowl drawing 58k for ND vs Boise St? I’m not sure your setup benefits anyone other than the G5. Not the bowls, not the fans, not tv and not the P5’s.

It’s entirely possible I missed something in your proposal. Can you provide examples of better matchups?

Thanks, and Happy New Year!

(12-28-2020 07:38 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't believe ESPN is doing anything like this. All you are hearing is spitballing by internet denizens with too much time on their hands.

The people who mine this board, and they've been doing it for well over 10 years, are beat writers looking to drive hits in the offseason, and more than a smattering of sports bloggers. I've seen some of Hokie Mark's ideas, my ideas, HeinousOne's ideas (blast from the past), Frank the Tank's ideas, and many others which were simply lifted out of a post here tweaked ever so lightly and presented as their own.

Since plagiarism and journalism are virtually synonymous now I'm never shocked.

That said Ken D is correct in that I haven't seen a TV Network do it. And when they come close to repeating somebody's ideas here it is because their talking heads are citing the bloggers and beat writers who lifted the posts here.

Edit: For future references concerning a super league or 2 super leagues playing in a NFL like format, that idea was first introduced by Bear Bryant and John McKay way back in '71 to '72. The idea was well ahead of its time in many regards such as pooling rights to the games and pulling them from the NCAA so that everyone maxed out revenue and going with the 24 to 48 of the main contenders. It sparked Barber Shop and Sunday School and Rotary Club conversations everywhere. But it was too much change for the time and the TV money wasn't going to be significant enough to merit the change.

I figure CSNbbs is a go to because we have posters from every conference.

But pushing an 8 or 16 team playoff isn't plagiarism anymore than talking about 4 x 16 or 3 x 20 configurations. Those are games played by everyone fascinated with the social phenomenon that is screwing up their lives. Realignment remains the hostile takeover of the sleepy independent cottage industry called college football and the actual moves have been driven to appease TV market desires of the networks and money was the lure.

(01-01-2021 12:02 AM)VCE Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 10:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 07:07 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 05:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think you misunderstand. I dont support anything that could be percieved to be a separate G5 playoff. My proposed "Champions Bowls" are just 3 stand alone bowls. You go to your bowl and when its over, you go home. Its not a playoff. Im just proposing a series of high quality bowls (two G5 champs playing against ranked P5's and one bowl pitting two G5 champs against one another) that will give the G5 something that is like the Rose Bowl is to the Big 10 or the Sugar Bowl is to the SEC. My proposal operates within the current CFP/bowl system structure. Its only purpose is to insure that all the G5 champs have a quality post season destination. :cheers:

Some key words in this paragraph are "perceived", "high quality bowls", and "quality post season destination".

Today we had a bowl which kind of fit the definitions on paper of what you proposed as it pit the MAC Champion vs. the MWC Champion. There was also a game between Coastal Carolina and Liberty. I didn't watch a minute of either of those games but I did watch some of the Cotton Bowl. I think the first problem is convincing a "high quality" bowl to take on two G5 teams. It probably was easier this season with limited fan attendance. Most of the bowls would rather take the eighth place SEC team than the MAC Champion. The only reason the MAC-MWC made it to CBS today is because the Sun Bowl was canceled. I don't even remember the name of the MAC-MWC bowl without looking it up nor remember what bowl Coastal Carolina and Liberty played in. Then again I don't care what bowl Mississippi State played in today and the only reason I even care about it is because of the fight. I do remember one year TCU and Boise State played each other in the Fiesta Bowl under the old BCS system but to me that then became the "dud" BCS bowl (and I dislike the Fiesta Bowl anyway). You can create a "major" bowl or two that feature two G5 champions but I have a feeling most casual college football fans will ignore it/them. In fact, what do the G5's gain by proving they are the best among the G5's? If I'm Temple, I'd rather play an SEC or Big Ten team in a bowl and try to prove I belong at their level than play another top G5 team and prove I'm a "better" G5 team. Will beating G5 teams get Temple (or Cincinnati or Boise State) into the P5's? Most likely not. But neither will playing each other. I remember watching TCU winning the Rose Bowl than I remember them in the Fiesta Bowl.

Well high quality starts with not being played prior to Christmas. As for the rest of your concerns--I dont get the impression your not that familiar with the proposal.

G5 Bowl 1---#2 G5 champ vs highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl
G5 Bowl 2---#3 G5 Champ vs next highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl

G5 Bowl 3---#4 G5 champ vs #5 G5 champ

So, in two of the bowls "high quality" would be 2 G5 champs vs a ranked P5. The other bowl would be two G5 champions playing after Christmas. My preference would be to place all 3 games in period between the NYD games and the National Championship game. That would be a nice window for these teams to be showcased.

So---the proposal is just for 3 high end bowls. There is no playoff. Two of the games are G5 champs vs ranked P5's. These bowls would have nothing to do with determining the "best of the G5". We theoretically already know that---its the G5 champ heading to the access bowl. They are just showcase games that occur after Christmas--preferably in between NYD and the National Championship game.

What’s in it for the P5’s or the bowls? You’d have traded ND LSU in the 2018 citrus bowl drawing 58k for ND vs Boise St? I’m not sure your setup benefits anyone other than the G5. Not the bowls, not the fans, not tv and not the P5’s.

It’s entirely possible I missed something in your proposal. Can you provide examples of better matchups?

Thanks, and Happy New Year!

Teams going to the Playoff or to a CFP affiliated bowl (Rose, Cotton, Orange, Sugar, Peach, Fiesta) are not affected. The 2 P5 opponents would ideally be the next two highest rated P5 teams left after all these CFP sponsored bowls are filled. They would be paid the same amount as teams going to a CFP bowl. Thus, Notre Dame’s destination wouldn’t change.

(12-31-2020 10:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Well high quality starts with not being played prior to Christmas. A

G5 Bowl 1---#2 G5 champ vs highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl
G5 Bowl 2---#3 G5 Champ vs next highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl

G5 Bowl 3---#4 G5 champ vs #5 G5 champ

My preference would be to place all 3 games in period between the NYD games and the National Championship game. That would be a nice window for these teams to be showcased.

Bowls 1 and 2 look pretty good, noting that with no G5 team in the CFP, the top two G5 teams would be Cincy and Coastal Carolina. Whether the top two G5 champs or the two top G5 teams should be invited could be debated.

G5 Bowls 1 and 2 should have the required viewership potential (not quite as sure about Bowl 3).

If they were to be held this season, they would be:

Bowl 1 Cincy vs. Texas A&M (Compelling match-up!)

Bowl 2 Coastal Carolina vs. Oklahoma (Very interesting match-up!)

Bowl 3 San Jose State vs. Buffalo (not too sure about this match-up)

alternate Bowl 3: San Jose State vs. Georgia or Florida, or Indiana (?)

It might be good for the G5 sponsors to have enough of an "invitational" prerogative to invite Oklahoma, since the Sooners might be able to draw twice the number of viewers that the Hoosiers would draw.

One of the benefits of making it flexible - in that way - is that, if any of the P5 teams were to quietly turn down a private invitation, whichever P5 teams (e.g., Oklahoma or Florida or Georgia) accept the invitation
would simply be presented as the most exciting or popular P5 teams that didn't play in the CFP ("back, by popular demand!").

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These invitational bowl games should have a distinctive name with some pizzazz.

Ideas:

1) They could be titled the "Platinum Cup" and "Gold Cup" games (similar to the NHL's "Stanley Cup") (or Platinum & Gold Bowls).

2) The "(Knute) Rockne Cup" and the "(Pop) Warner" or "Heisman Cup" games (or the "Rockne," "Warner," or "Heisman Bowls").

3) The "Power Bowl" and the "Valour Bowl."

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The networks might prefer something more like this, from a ratings standpoint (if they were to be played this season):

Bowl 1: Cincinnati vs. Coastal Carolina (Cincy wins) (5 million viewers)

Bowl 2: Texas A&M vs. Oklahoma (A&M wins) (10+ million viewers)

Bowl 3: Cincinnati vs. Texas A&M (10+ million viewers)

The winner of Bowl 3 game takes the "Platinum/Rockne Cup."

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A series in this format wouldn't get quite the viewership that the CFP gets, but the ratings might be somewhat comparable.

(01-01-2021 02:55 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 10:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Well high quality starts with not being played prior to Christmas. A

G5 Bowl 1---#2 G5 champ vs highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl
G5 Bowl 2---#3 G5 Champ vs next highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl

G5 Bowl 3---#4 G5 champ vs #5 G5 champ

My preference would be to place all 3 games in period between the NYD games and the National Championship game. That would be a nice window for these teams to be showcased.

Bowls 1 and 2 look pretty good, noting that with no G5 team in the CFP, the top two G5 teams would be Cincy and Coastal Carolina. Whether the top two G5 champs or the two top G5 teams should be invited could be debated.

G5 Bowls 1 and 2 should have the required viewership potential (not quite as sure about Bowl 3).

If they were to be held this season, they would be:

Bowl 1 Cincy vs. Texas A&M (Compelling match-up!)

Bowl 2 Coastal Carolina vs. Oklahoma (Very interesting match-up!)

Bowl 3 San Jose State vs. Buffalo (not too sure about this match-up)

alternate Bowl 3: San Jose State vs. Georgia or Florida, or Indiana (?)

It might be good for the G5 sponsors to have enough of an "invitational" prerogative to invite Oklahoma, since the Sooners might be able to draw twice the number of viewers that the Hoosiers would draw.

One of the benefits of making it flexible - in that way - is that, if any of the P5 teams were to quietly turn down a private invitation, whichever P5 teams (e.g., Oklahoma or Florida or Georgia) accept the invitation
would simply be presented as the most exciting or popular P5 teams that didn't play in the CFP ("back, by popular demand!").

.

These invitational bowl games should have a distinctive name with some pizzazz.

Ideas:

1) They could be titled the "Platinum Cup" and "Gold Cup" games (similar to the NHL's "Stanley Cup") (or Platinum & Gold Bowls).

2) The "(Knute) Rockne Cup" and the "(Pop) Warner" or "Heisman Cup" games (or the "Rockne," "Warner," or "Heisman Bowls").

3) The "Power Bowl" and the "Valour Bowl."

.

The networks might prefer something more like this, from a ratings standpoint (if they were to be played this season):

Bowl 1: Cincinnati vs. Coastal Carolina (Cincy wins) (5 million viewers)

Bowl 2: Texas A&M vs. Oklahoma (A&M wins) (10+ million viewers)

Bowl 3: Cincinnati vs. Texas A&M (10+ million viewers)

The winner of Bowl 3 game takes the "Platinum/Rockne Cup."

.

A series in this format wouldn't get quite the viewership that the CFP gets, but the ratings might be somewhat comparable.

Thats not correct. Cinci would get the access bowl vs Georgia. Remember---CFP sponsored bowls (that includes the playoffs and the contract bowls) all stay the same in my proposal. Those slots are still filled first. The 3 new G5 bowls would then get the top two P5 teams left after all the playoffs and contract bowls are filled. So---Oklahoma and A&M went to CFP contract bowls---those teams would not have been available to fill the proposed new G5 bowls. Using this years example, Cincy's situation as the the number one G5 champ is unchanged from what it is today---they would play Georgia in the Peach Bowl (G5 access bowl slot). The #2 G5 champ (Coastal Carolina) would play #11 Indiana in one of the new G5 bowls. San Jose St would have been the #3 G5 champ and would be playing #14 Northwestern in the second G5 bowl. The third G5 bowl would have been Ball St (MAC champ) vs UAB (CUSA champ).

(01-01-2021 03:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 02:55 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 10:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Well high quality starts with not being played prior to Christmas. A

G5 Bowl 1---#2 G5 champ vs highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl
G5 Bowl 2---#3 G5 Champ vs next highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl

G5 Bowl 3---#4 G5 champ vs #5 G5 champ

My preference would be to place all 3 games in period between the NYD games and the National Championship game. That would be a nice window for these teams to be showcased.

Bowls 1 and 2 look pretty good, noting that with no G5 team in the CFP, the top two G5 teams would be Cincy and Coastal Carolina. Whether the top two G5 champs or the two top G5 teams should be invited could be debated.

G5 Bowls 1 and 2 should have the required viewership potential (not quite as sure about Bowl 3).

If they were to be held this season, they would be:

Bowl 1 Cincy vs. Texas A&M (Compelling match-up!)

Bowl 2 Coastal Carolina vs. Oklahoma (Very interesting match-up!)

Bowl 3 San Jose State vs. Buffalo (not too sure about this match-up)

alternate Bowl 3: San Jose State vs. Georgia or Florida, or Indiana (?)

It might be good for the G5 sponsors to have enough of an "invitational" prerogative to invite Oklahoma, since the Sooners might be able to draw twice the number of viewers that the Hoosiers would draw.

One of the benefits of making it flexible - in that way - is that, if any of the P5 teams were to quietly turn down a private invitation, whichever P5 teams (e.g., Oklahoma or Florida or Georgia) accept the invitation
would simply be presented as the most exciting or popular P5 teams that didn't play in the CFP ("back, by popular demand!").

.

These invitational bowl games should have a distinctive name with some pizzazz.

Ideas:

1) They could be titled the "Platinum Cup" and "Gold Cup" games (similar to the NHL's "Stanley Cup") (or Platinum & Gold Bowls).

2) The "(Knute) Rockne Cup" and the "(Pop) Warner" or "Heisman Cup" games (or the "Rockne," "Warner," or "Heisman Bowls").

3) The "Power Bowl" and the "Valour Bowl."

.

The networks might prefer something more like this, from a ratings standpoint (if they were to be played this season):

Bowl 1: Cincinnati vs. Coastal Carolina (Cincy wins) (5 million viewers)

Bowl 2: Texas A&M vs. Oklahoma (A&M wins) (10+ million viewers)

Bowl 3: Cincinnati vs. Texas A&M (10+ million viewers)

The winner of Bowl 3 game takes the "Platinum/Rockne Cup."

.

A series in this format wouldn't get quite the viewership that the CFP gets, but the ratings might be somewhat comparable.

Thats not correct. Cinci would get the access bowl vs Georgia. Remember---CFP sponsored bowls (that includes the playoffs and the contract bowls) all stay the same in my proposal. Those slots are still filled first. The 3 new G5 bowls would then get the top two P5 teams left after all the playoffs and contract bowls are filled. So---Oklahoma and A&M went to CFP contract bowls---those teams would not have been available to fill the proposed new G5 bowls. Using this years example, Cincy's situation as the the number one G5 champ is unchanged from what it is today---they would play Georgia in the Peach Bowl (G5 access bowl slot). The #2 G5 champ (Coastal Carolina) would play #11 Indiana in one of the new G5 bowls. San Jose St would have been the #3 G5 champ and would be playing #14 Northwestern in the second G5 bowl. The third G5 bowl would have been Ball St (MAC champ) vs UAB (CUSA champ).

I would definitely keep Cincinnati in, because the "G5 Bowls" wouldn't be worth playing without the top G5 team. No decent P5 team would accept an invitation without Cincy being part of the series.

(I'm sure that the "boys in black" wouldn't mind....)

If I were a broadcaster, approached with the idea of putting Indiana in a major bowl game vs. Coastal in a featured prime-time slot with "game-day" type coverage." I would nix it immediately. No way.

In the broadcaster's eyes (and we have to see things through their eyes to make this work), a traditional powerhouse like Oklahoma would seem likely to generate a lot more viewers.

Why? Because to pump up the viewership, there needs to be a dramatic set-up, building on Jungian archetypes, as in the great plays of Aeschylus or Euripides, such as a match-up between "the tough bully at the end of the block" and the "new kid in town," or "Black Bart" vs. "Dudley Doright."

It's just like "casting" a "play:"

Coastal is "the new kid on the block;" i.e., (the clean) "Dudley Doright."

Oklahoma (but not Indiana) is a perfect "Bully" or "Black Bart."

.

San Jose St. vs. Northwestern? I see zero dramatic appeal, zilch, other than possibly the battle of the "surfer dudes vs. the nerds." (BILL, MEET TED)

However, San Jose St. vs. Stanford is a regional rivalry type of game, and those two teams haven't played since 2013.

It would be a "backyard brawl." ...Perfect! Instant drama....presto!

Even so, it would only be option #3, with the top two G5 teams being Cincy and Coastal if it were my decision to make.

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The third G5 bowl would have been Ball St (MAC champ) vs UAB (CUSA champ).

How many ways could I think of to turn down that notion. Just, "Nope."

I'm just sayin' that, if I'm asked to broadcast this game, it either wouldn't get a good time slot or would end up on ESPN+. Maybe a Tuesday evening game with a ton of promotion (and David Letterman, Ball State alum promoting the hell out of it), at best. Who in the blue blazes is going to want to sponsor that game, anyway? Maybe some farm equipment company? Could it even compete with a decent NCAA basketball game?

Including a game between two of the lesser G5 "champs" might well run the risk of undermining the whole idea of "G5 Bowls," altogether and could turn the whole thing into a laughing-stock. If that were to happen, you would never be able to get any P5 teams to play in a future "G5 Bowl" game.

Speaking strictly for myself, I would probably be just as (i.e., "not very") interested in watching an Ivy League or FCS Championship Game (NDSU vs. JMU) as I would be in watching Ball St. vs. UAB. The first two games would be watchable just for the h*ll of it as a lark, just for fun, but Ball State vs. UAB would bore me into oblivion. I'm not sure that I'd even be willing to watch Ball State vs. UAB all the way through for anything less than $100.

NOTE: That is not intended as a slight, because I would be more interested in watching NDSU play JMU, Harvard vs. Princeton, or even Lehigh vs. Lafayette, than Arizona vs. AZ State, Texas vs. Texas Tech, NC State vs. S. Carolina, or Minnesota vs. Wisconsin.

(The gods' honest truth is that I would probably find it more enjoyable to go back to my home town and watch my high school team play their top rivals than watch any of those P5 vs. P5 games.)

ESPN could call them P5 and G5.

(01-01-2021 08:20 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 03:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 02:55 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 10:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Well high quality starts with not being played prior to Christmas. A

G5 Bowl 1---#2 G5 champ vs highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl
G5 Bowl 2---#3 G5 Champ vs next highest P5 not taken by a CFP sponsored bowl

G5 Bowl 3---#4 G5 champ vs #5 G5 champ

My preference would be to place all 3 games in period between the NYD games and the National Championship game. That would be a nice window for these teams to be showcased.

Bowls 1 and 2 look pretty good, noting that with no G5 team in the CFP, the top two G5 teams would be Cincy and Coastal Carolina. Whether the top two G5 champs or the two top G5 teams should be invited could be debated.

G5 Bowls 1 and 2 should have the required viewership potential (not quite as sure about Bowl 3).

If they were to be held this season, they would be:

Bowl 1 Cincy vs. Texas A&M (Compelling match-up!)

Bowl 2 Coastal Carolina vs. Oklahoma (Very interesting match-up!)

Bowl 3 San Jose State vs. Buffalo (not too sure about this match-up)

alternate Bowl 3: San Jose State vs. Georgia or Florida, or Indiana (?)

It might be good for the G5 sponsors to have enough of an "invitational" prerogative to invite Oklahoma, since the Sooners might be able to draw twice the number of viewers that the Hoosiers would draw.

One of the benefits of making it flexible - in that way - is that, if any of the P5 teams were to quietly turn down a private invitation, whichever P5 teams (e.g., Oklahoma or Florida or Georgia) accept the invitation
would simply be presented as the most exciting or popular P5 teams that didn't play in the CFP ("back, by popular demand!").

.

These invitational bowl games should have a distinctive name with some pizzazz.

Ideas:

1) They could be titled the "Platinum Cup" and "Gold Cup" games (similar to the NHL's "Stanley Cup") (or Platinum & Gold Bowls).

2) The "(Knute) Rockne Cup" and the "(Pop) Warner" or "Heisman Cup" games (or the "Rockne," "Warner," or "Heisman Bowls").

3) The "Power Bowl" and the "Valour Bowl."

.

The networks might prefer something more like this, from a ratings standpoint (if they were to be played this season):

Bowl 1: Cincinnati vs. Coastal Carolina (Cincy wins) (5 million viewers)

Bowl 2: Texas A&M vs. Oklahoma (A&M wins) (10+ million viewers)

Bowl 3: Cincinnati vs. Texas A&M (10+ million viewers)

The winner of Bowl 3 game takes the "Platinum/Rockne Cup."

.

A series in this format wouldn't get quite the viewership that the CFP gets, but the ratings might be somewhat comparable.

Thats not correct. Cinci would get the access bowl vs Georgia. Remember---CFP sponsored bowls (that includes the playoffs and the contract bowls) all stay the same in my proposal. Those slots are still filled first. The 3 new G5 bowls would then get the top two P5 teams left after all the playoffs and contract bowls are filled. So---Oklahoma and A&M went to CFP contract bowls---those teams would not have been available to fill the proposed new G5 bowls. Using this years example, Cincy's situation as the the number one G5 champ is unchanged from what it is today---they would play Georgia in the Peach Bowl (G5 access bowl slot). The #2 G5 champ (Coastal Carolina) would play #11 Indiana in one of the new G5 bowls. San Jose St would have been the #3 G5 champ and would be playing #14 Northwestern in the second G5 bowl. The third G5 bowl would have been Ball St (MAC champ) vs UAB (CUSA champ).

I would definitely keep Cincinnati in, because the "G5 Bowls" wouldn't be worth playing without the top G5 team. No decent P5 team would accept an invitation without Cincy being part of the series.

(I'm sure that the "boys in black" wouldn't mind....)

If I were a broadcaster, approached with the idea of putting Indiana in a major bowl game vs. Coastal in a featured prime-time slot with "game-day" type coverage." I would nix it immediately. No way.

In the broadcaster's eyes (and we have to see things through their eyes to make this work), a traditional powerhouse like Oklahoma would seem likely to generate a lot more viewers.

Why? Because to pump up the viewership, there needs to be a dramatic set-up, building on Jungian archetypes, as in the great plays of Aeschylus or Euripides, such as a match-up between "the tough bully at the end of the block" and the "new kid in town," or "Black Bart" vs. "Dudley Doright."

It's just like "casting" a "play:"

Coastal is "the new kid on the block;" i.e., (the clean) "Dudley Doright."

Oklahoma (but not Indiana) is a perfect "Bully" or "Black Bart."

.

San Jose St. vs. Northwestern? I see zero dramatic appeal, zilch, other than possibly the battle of the "surfer dudes vs. the nerds." (BILL, MEET TED)

However, San Jose St. vs. Stanford is a regional rivalry type of game, and those two teams haven't played since 2013.

It would be a "backyard brawl." ...Perfect! Instant drama....presto!

Even so, it would only be option #3, with the top two G5 teams being Cincy and Coastal if it were my decision to make.

.

The third G5 bowl would have been Ball St (MAC champ) vs UAB (CUSA champ).

How many ways could I think of to turn down that notion. Just, "Nope."

I'm just sayin' that, if I'm asked to broadcast this game, it either wouldn't get a good time slot or would end up on ESPN+. Maybe a Tuesday evening game with a ton of promotion (and David Letterman, Ball State alum promoting the hell out of it), at best. Who in the blue blazes is going to want to sponsor that game, anyway? Maybe some farm equipment company? Could it even compete with a decent NCAA basketball game?

Including a game between two of the lesser G5 "champs" might well run the risk of undermining the whole idea of "G5 Bowls," altogether and could turn the whole thing into a laughing-stock. If that were to happen, you would never be able to get any P5 teams to play in a future "G5 Bowl" game.

Speaking strictly for myself, I would probably be just as (i.e., "not very") interested in watching an Ivy League or FCS Championship Game (NDSU vs. JMU) as I would be in watching Ball St. vs. UAB. The first two games would be watchable just for the h*ll of it as a lark, just for fun, but Ball State vs. UAB would bore me into oblivion. I'm not sure that I'd even be willing to watch Ball State vs. UAB all the way through for anything less than $100.

NOTE: That is not intended as a slight, because I would be more interested in watching NDSU play JMU, Harvard vs. Princeton, or even Lehigh vs. Lafayette, than Arizona vs. AZ State, Texas vs. Texas Tech, NC State vs. S. Carolina, or Minnesota vs. Wisconsin.

(The gods' honest truth is that I would probably find it more enjoyable to go back to my home town and watch my high school team play their top rivals than watch any of those P5 vs. P5 games.)

The Cincinnati game you envision already exists. It’s called the access bowl. The whole point of the champions series I am proposing is to give the other four G5 champions who are not going to the access bowl a suitable postseason destination.