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Taylor’s performance Saturday night was truly special. I got goosebumps watching him make play after play. About halfway through the game, I felt like I was watching a remake of “Rocky”. The dude just kept fighting back, taking a pounding and still making plays. You could see Tampa Bay getting tense and wondering, “who the heck is this guy?” And just like Rocky, he lost the game but won over the hearts of most of the nation.

TH made me so proud to be a Monarch. I wish him nothing but the best going forward.
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RE: Heinicke in for WFT...
For those did not see this Vikings/49ers preseason game for TH, does this look familiar?





This is a great breakdown of Heinicke's fourth quarter play against the Panthers in Week 16.





Finally, here is the breakdown of his game against the Bucs. Enjoy.



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Unless another team signs TH to an offer sheet, I think TH will be back in Washington for around 2.2 million
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(01-12-2021 11:09 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Unless another team signs TH to an offer sheet, I think TH will be back in Washington for around 2.2 million

Those Math courses will come in handy.
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(01-12-2021 11:09 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Unless another team signs TH to an offer sheet, I think TH will be back in Washington for around 2.2 million

Correct. And if another team does give an offer sheet, Washington has the opportunity to match it, correct? Where are you getting the $2.2M?
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Theisman made a few good points if he was WFT coaching staff and in TH shoes, he spends the next 6 months studying every successful QB that is sub 6ft tall to improve on durability. Theisman said he had to look at how running backs trained and practice taking hits because he was similar in size to an RB than a QB. A caller called in and said TH playing style looked like the Vanilla Vick 03-lmfao
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Vanilla Vick, oh please TH don't get any dogs.
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(01-12-2021 12:13 PM)AimHigher Wrote:  Theisman made a few good points if he was WFT coaching staff and in TH shoes, he spends the next 6 months studying every successful QB that is sub 6ft tall to improve on durability. Theisman said he had to look at how running backs trained and practice taking hits because he was similar in size to an RB than a QB. A caller called in and said TH playing style looked like the Vanilla Vick 03-lmfao

Thanks Joe! Taylor will do what he's done for years then.
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(01-12-2021 12:13 PM)AimHigher Wrote:  Theisman made a few good points if he was WFT coaching staff and in TH shoes, he spends the next 6 months studying every successful QB that is sub 6ft tall to improve on durability. Theisman said he had to look at how running backs trained and practice taking hits because he was similar in size to an RB than a QB. A caller called in and said TH playing style looked like the Vanilla Vick 03-lmfao

The durability thing is very odd to me. There are other players his size that are able to survive in the NFL. I wonder if hitting the weights would help? I wonder also if he wasn't fighting for a career everytime he stepped on the field if he would refrain from standing in the pocket and getting crushed to try and make a special play and maybe that would keep him healthy.
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(01-12-2021 02:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 12:13 PM)AimHigher Wrote:  Theisman made a few good points if he was WFT coaching staff and in TH shoes, he spends the next 6 months studying every successful QB that is sub 6ft tall to improve on durability. Theisman said he had to look at how running backs trained and practice taking hits because he was similar in size to an RB than a QB. A caller called in and said TH playing style looked like the Vanilla Vick 03-lmfao

The durability thing is very odd to me. There are other players his size that are able to survive in the NFL. I wonder if hitting the weights would help? I wonder also if he wasn't fighting for a career everytime he stepped on the field if he would refrain from standing in the pocket and getting crushed to try and make a special play and maybe that would keep him healthy.

Its more reality than just being odd. He even got hurt in the game the other night (although that one wasn't serious at all). Every other time he's out of the game and then more games beyond that. Obviously that doesn't necessarily mean that will always happen, but any team that wants him as a starter better have a solid back up plan.

Regardless - even though I loathe the franchise he plays for, I'm happy he was given the chance the other night and he'll be given another.
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Its been 3 times, the only 3 times he's played regular season (or postseason) games. Though, he did not miss any time in the 3rd game.

People love to make statements based on small samples. Yes, it's happened every time but I don't think it particularly means anything. He got injured diving for the pylon in a weird way. Another time he got concussed (had one in college too).

It could be a thing or it could be nothing. We would have to see him on the field more to find out.
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For a guy that lives for stats, you'd have to admit that his track record indicates that he is injury prone. It's up to him to prove that isn't true by showing some longevity by staying on the field through several games. He got a start in that direction by staying in to finish the game Saturday, but had they advanced it's not a sure thing that he would be ready for this weekend with his shoulder being separated. I read that injury sometimes takes months to heal.

He's shown that he can play the game. Now he just has to show that he can remain on the field. It might mean taking a few less risks and also realizing that he may have to throw the ball out of bounds a few more times than he'd like in order to live for the next play. I'm sure that his always hanging by a thread and trying to make a good showing is pushing him to make every play a positive one even at the increased risk of getting injured.
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I think like someone else said. If he's named starter and it's a regular season game and he isn't trying to make a statement, he isn't diving like that. He's running out of bounds 1st and goal to preserve himself.
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(01-12-2021 03:48 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  For a guy that lives for stats, you'd have to admit that his track record indicates that he is injury prone. It's up to him to prove that isn't true by showing some longevity by staying on the field through several games. He got a start in that direction by staying in to finish the game Saturday, but had they advanced it's not a sure thing that he would be ready for this weekend with his shoulder being separated. I read that injury sometimes takes months to heal.

He's shown that he can play the game. Now he just has to show that he can remain on the field. It might mean taking a few less risks and also realizing that he may have to throw the ball out of bounds a few more times than he'd like in order to live for the next play. I'm sure that his always hanging by a thread and trying to make a good showing is pushing him to make every play a positive one even at the increased risk of getting injured.
If it was his throwing arm he would probably require surgery to regain full capacity. I've had the same injury to my throwing arm and it has not been the same as it was before the injury. My collar bone sticks up like a sore thumb. Every time he got hit after the injury he risked making it worse. But he was determined. You could see the pain on his face though.
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(01-12-2021 04:52 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  I think like someone else said. If he's named starter and it's a regular season game and he isn't trying to make a statement, he isn't diving like that. He's running out of bounds 1st and goal to preserve himself.
I'm not so sure. He was a starter at ODU and still made those type of plays.
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(01-12-2021 05:04 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 04:52 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  I think like someone else said. If he's named starter and it's a regular season game and he isn't trying to make a statement, he isn't diving like that. He's running out of bounds 1st and goal to preserve himself.
I'm not so sure. He was a starter at ODU and still made those type of plays.

Big difference between staying healthy in the league and being able to gamble in a college game.
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As to his injuries:

1. In 2015 TH was on the Vikings 53-man roster and suffered no injuries in preseason games. He did not play in the regular season.

2. In 2016 the first injury resulted in TH missing most of the season, but it was a non-football related injury, as likely we all recall. Kicking doors does not count toward being prone to injury on the field.

3. In 2017, after an injury settlement with the Vikings due to a concussion, TH was picked up by Houston where he suffered another concussion in his first game. He had earlier suffered a "mild" concussion at ODU in 2013 for a total of three concussions. Multiple concussions can lead to mental health complications in the long term. That is exactly the reason that concussion protocols have been established to protect the players, and in no way am I intending to minimize his history with concussions. But there is good news. TH has not had a concussion since December of 2017, and his time out of football for the last two years has provided absolute relief from any exposure to further brain trauma during that time.

4. The injury at Carolina in 2018 was a torn triceps -- real, painful and requiring surgery. But TH returned to complete the game despite the injury.

5. The injury at WTF was an AC sprain -- painful, but not enough to keep him out of the game. In fact, he did not even miss a series or part of a series.

6. He played four years of Division I football, without missing a game. His one "mild" concussion happened against Liberty and he stayed in the game. Concussion symptoms showed up later and he was diagnosed with a "mild" concussion. With a bye week before the Pitt game, he did not miss a game while following ODU's concussion protocol.

So, here is the reality that dispels the myth.

1. Over two years as the starter, TH never missed a high school game due to injury that I could find.
2. Despite one mild concussion, TH did not miss one game at ODU over almost a four full seasons as the starting QB.
3. During his time in the NFL, TH had only one occasion to leave a game due to injury and not be able to return -- and that was due to the concussion protocol.

What all of this does mean is that three specific realities now exist for Taylor Heinicke.

1. Over five years he was never able to successfully establish in the NFL what we all knew -- that he is a talented QB with a remarkable skill set.
2. Through a false narrative, he has been saddled with an unwarranted reputation for being fragile and injury prone.
3. Saturday night, when given the opportunity, he was able demonstrate conclusively that he belongs in the NFL.
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(01-12-2021 07:12 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  As to his injuries:

1. In 2015 TH was on the Vikings 53-man roster and suffered no injuries in preseason games. He did not play in the regular season.

2. In 2016 the first injury resulted in TH missing most of the season, but it was a non-football related injury, as likely we all recall. Kicking doors does not count toward being prone to injury on the field.

3. In 2017, after an injury settlement with the Vikings due to a concussion, TH was picked up by Houston where he suffered another concussion in his first game. He had earlier suffered a "mild" concussion at ODU in 2013 for a total of three concussions. Multiple concussions can lead to mental health complications in the long term. That is exactly the reason that concussion protocols have been established to protect the players, and in no way am I intending to minimize his history with concussions. But there is good news. TH has not had a concussion since December of 2017, and his time out of football for the last two years has provided absolute relief from any exposure to further brain trauma during that time.

4. The injury at Carolina in 2018 was a torn triceps -- real, painful and requiring surgery. But TH returned to complete the game despite the injury.

5. The injury at WTF was an AC sprain -- painful, but not enough to keep him out of the game. In fact, he did not even miss a series or part of a series.

6. He played four years of Division I football, without missing a game. His one "mild" concussion happened against Liberty and he stayed in the game. Concussion symptoms showed up later and he was diagnosed with a "mild" concussion. With a bye week before the Pitt game, he did not miss a game while following ODU's concussion protocol.

So, here is the reality that dispels the myth.

1. Over two years as the starter, TH never missed a high school game due to injury that I could find.
2. Despite one mild concussion, TH did not miss one game at ODU over almost a four full seasons as the starting QB.
3. During his time in the NFL, TH had only one occasion to leave a game due to injury and not be able to return -- and that was due to the concussion protocol.

What all of this does mean is that three specific realities now exist for Taylor Heinicke.

1. Over five years he was never able to successfully establish in the NFL what we all knew -- that he is a talented QB with a remarkable skill set.
2. Through a false narrative, he has been saddled with an unwarranted reputation for being fragile and injury prone.
3. Saturday night, when given the opportunity, he was able demonstrate conclusively that he belongs in the NFL.

Bam! Laying down some truth bombs.
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(01-12-2021 08:32 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(01-12-2021 07:12 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  As to his injuries:

1. In 2015 TH was on the Vikings 53-man roster and suffered no injuries in preseason games. He did not play in the regular season.

2. In 2016 the first injury resulted in TH missing most of the season, but it was a non-football related injury, as likely we all recall. Kicking doors does not count toward being prone to injury on the field.

3. In 2017, after an injury settlement with the Vikings due to a concussion, TH was picked up by Houston where he suffered another concussion in his first game. He had earlier suffered a "mild" concussion at ODU in 2013 for a total of three concussions. Multiple concussions can lead to mental health complications in the long term. That is exactly the reason that concussion protocols have been established to protect the players, and in no way am I intending to minimize his history with concussions. But there is good news. TH has not had a concussion since December of 2017, and his time out of football for the last two years has provided absolute relief from any exposure to further brain trauma during that time.

4. The injury at Carolina in 2018 was a torn triceps -- real, painful and requiring surgery. But TH returned to complete the game despite the injury.

5. The injury at WTF was an AC sprain -- painful, but not enough to keep him out of the game. In fact, he did not even miss a series or part of a series.

6. He played four years of Division I football, without missing a game. His one "mild" concussion happened against Liberty and he stayed in the game. Concussion symptoms showed up later and he was diagnosed with a "mild" concussion. With a bye week before the Pitt game, he did not miss a game while following ODU's concussion protocol.

So, here is the reality that dispels the myth.

1. Over two years as the starter, TH never missed a high school game due to injury that I could find.
2. Despite one mild concussion, TH did not miss one game at ODU over almost a four full seasons as the starting QB.
3. During his time in the NFL, TH had only one occasion to leave a game due to injury and not be able to return -- and that was due to the concussion protocol.

What all of this does mean is that three specific realities now exist for Taylor Heinicke.

1. Over five years he was never able to successfully establish in the NFL what we all knew -- that he is a talented QB with a remarkable skill set.
2. Through a false narrative, he has been saddled with an unwarranted reputation for being fragile and injury prone.
3. Saturday night, when given the opportunity, he was able demonstrate conclusively that he belongs in the NFL.

Bam! Laying down some truth bombs.

+1000%. 04-rock04-cheers
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Nah. He's had other injuries. One during an exhibition when he again dove into the end zone and sprained something. Think he got hurt in Houston as well
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