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RE: Can we all just acknowledge: the CFP and March Madness are NOT sports competitions
(12-28-2020 11:21 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
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(12-26-2020 09:30 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  The best team always wins the college basketball title.

You cannot say that about college football

You can't say it about college basketball either. Determining who the best team is is not the goal of the NCAAT. "Champion" doesn't mean "Best". It just means the winner of a tournament.

In the modern era, the NCAAT has done a good job of producing a champion from a field that includes all the teams that could be considered realistic candidates to be described as the "best". That wasn't always the case.

The BCS "champion" didn't win such a tournament, and we can make a good case that in many years of the BCS a team that wasn't invited to play in the championship game might very well have been the "best", and some of those might have actually won had they been given a chance to play.

Even with only a four team tournament, the CFP has done a pretty good job of including every team that could have won that tournament, and maybe even could have won an 8 team tournament. It's why the winner is almost universally accepted as a worthy champion. But like the NCAAT, no college football playoff can ever be said to determine which team is "best". Not even the Super Bowl does that.


Actually you can. The best team is the one that can win 6 in a row when it really matters.

If you lose in the tournament, you just proved you aren't the best team. I thought that was the whole point of sports - to determine the winner on the field. Otherwise, why bother to play?

Are you suggesting that the best team always wins, every time? I don't know anybody who believes that. If it were true every champion in every sport would be unbeaten. And there would be no point for a school to continue playing once they lose their first game, since they have already "proven" that they aren't the best.

News flash. The better team doesn't always win. That's what makes sports interesting.
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(12-28-2020 11:19 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
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(12-26-2020 11:30 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  I’m not sure why you would measure it any other way then who’s best at the end of the season

Well because the end of the season is just part of the season. It's not the whole season.

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So why have a post-season at all? Or have a champion for each month. Makes as much sense as what you are saying.

You have a post-season when there's no other way to do it. It's a very flawed method but sometimes necessary. What makes the most sense is to have a champion that proved itself over an entire season, not just part of it. Playoffs are only used when you can't do that.

The ideal would be how baseball pennants were earned before divisional play - whoever has the best record over 154 games is the champ. They proved it all season long, not just with a burst at the end.

The CFP is closer to that ideal than the NCAA tournament.
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(12-28-2020 01:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:19 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-26-2020 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-26-2020 11:30 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  I’m not sure why you would measure it any other way then who’s best at the end of the season

Well because the end of the season is just part of the season. It's not the whole season.

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So why have a post-season at all? Or have a champion for each month. Makes as much sense as what you are saying.

You have a post-season when there's no other way to do it. It's a very flawed method but sometimes necessary. What makes the most sense is to have a champion that proved itself over an entire season, not just part of it. Playoffs are only used when you can't do that.

The ideal would be how baseball pennants were earned before divisional play - whoever has the best record over 154 games is the champ. They proved it all season long, not just with a burst at the end.

The CFP is closer to that ideal than the NCAA tournament.


Teams get better or worse over the course of a season. Injuries, player development, opponents figuring out teams/players weaknesses are all apart of a season.

CFP is the least satisfying and least vaild "championship" in sports
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(12-28-2020 02:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 01:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:19 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-26-2020 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-26-2020 11:30 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  I’m not sure why you would measure it any other way then who’s best at the end of the season

Well because the end of the season is just part of the season. It's not the whole season.

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So why have a post-season at all? Or have a champion for each month. Makes as much sense as what you are saying.

You have a post-season when there's no other way to do it. It's a very flawed method but sometimes necessary. What makes the most sense is to have a champion that proved itself over an entire season, not just part of it. Playoffs are only used when you can't do that.

The ideal would be how baseball pennants were earned before divisional play - whoever has the best record over 154 games is the champ. They proved it all season long, not just with a burst at the end.

The CFP is closer to that ideal than the NCAA tournament.


Teams get better or worse over the course of a season. Injuries, player development, opponents figuring out teams/players weaknesses are all apart of a season.

CFP is the least satisfying and least vaild "championship" in sports

Yes, teams get better or worse over a season, so a season-long process is best, as it doesn't ignore what happened early or middle or late, it takes it all in to consideration.

The NCAA tournament is too "end heavy", IMO. It puts too much emphasis on getting hot. You can be merely pretty good for much of the year but catch fire and win.

The CFP, it's harder to do that. No team has ever made the playoffs without having had a really good regular season, I think 11-1 is the worst record ever to get in. Then, you have to win two game against two other teams that also were extremely good, went 12-0 or 11-1 just like you did.

That's why if we look at the last 10 years or so, there's much less doubt about the CFP picking the best football team than the NCAA tournament picking the best hoops team. Was Virginia the best hoops team in 2018-2019? Possibly, but possibly not. Was Clemson the best football team in 2018? No doubt at all. Etc.
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(12-28-2020 11:19 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-26-2020 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-26-2020 11:30 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  I’m not sure why you would measure it any other way then who’s best at the end of the season

Well because the end of the season is just part of the season. It's not the whole season.

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So why have a post-season at all? Or have a champion for each month. Makes as much sense as what you are saying.

Ultimately, a postseason tourney is just as arbitrary as a poll when it comes crowning a champion. 'Proving it on the field' means nothing when the regular season is invalidated once a postseason begins. Back when MLB played 154 games, the winners of the AL and NL went to the world series. While I feel that system ensured the best team was crowned champion, it was hated because of the narrow qualification field. Playoffs are expanded in the hopes of generating more randomness.

And really, are one and done scenarios the best method for determining who is the best? At this point the NBA with its 7 games series for every round does a better job at ensuring the best teams make it to the final. This is the OP's true premise.
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(12-26-2020 11:30 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  I’m not sure why you would measure it any other way then who’s best at the end of the season

It’s a relevant how well they did in December or January other than to influence seeding

By your logic if a runner leads a marathon for 26 miles but then fades at the end and gets pass by five runners he should be declared cochampion

Only one thing matters how - you finish


College football fails in that regard

Well if you run 5 marathons in a season and one guy wins 4 and the other wins the last one, does that mean the guy who won the last one is best? Of course not.
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(12-28-2020 01:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:21 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-26-2020 10:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-26-2020 09:30 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  The best team always wins the college basketball title.

You cannot say that about college football

You can't say it about college basketball either. Determining who the best team is is not the goal of the NCAAT. "Champion" doesn't mean "Best". It just means the winner of a tournament.

In the modern era, the NCAAT has done a good job of producing a champion from a field that includes all the teams that could be considered realistic candidates to be described as the "best". That wasn't always the case.

The BCS "champion" didn't win such a tournament, and we can make a good case that in many years of the BCS a team that wasn't invited to play in the championship game might very well have been the "best", and some of those might have actually won had they been given a chance to play.

Even with only a four team tournament, the CFP has done a pretty good job of including every team that could have won that tournament, and maybe even could have won an 8 team tournament. It's why the winner is almost universally accepted as a worthy champion. But like the NCAAT, no college football playoff can ever be said to determine which team is "best". Not even the Super Bowl does that.


Actually you can. The best team is the one that can win 6 in a row when it really matters.

If you lose in the tournament, you just proved you aren't the best team. I thought that was the whole point of sports - to determine the winner on the field. Otherwise, why bother to play?

Are you suggesting that the best team always wins, every time? I don't know anybody who believes that. If it were true every champion in every sport would be unbeaten. And there would be no point for a school to continue playing once they lose their first game, since they have already "proven" that they aren't the best.

News flash. The better team doesn't always win. That's what makes sports interesting.

If I played the best chess player in the world 1000 times, math says I would win at least once and probably draw a number of times. Would that mean I was better or equal? No. He would win 900 or 950 or 975 out of 1000 times.
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(12-28-2020 09:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-26-2020 11:30 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  I’m not sure why you would measure it any other way then who’s best at the end of the season

It’s a relevant how well they did in December or January other than to influence seeding

By your logic if a runner leads a marathon for 26 miles but then fades at the end and gets pass by five runners he should be declared cochampion

Only one thing matters how - you finish


College football fails in that regard

Well if you run 5 marathons in a season and one guy wins 4 and the other wins the last one, does that mean the guy who won the last one is best? Of course not.

If the last one is the Olympics or the World championship yes

It’s hard to compare a individual sport to a team sport but many runners that are at the championship caliber will train for a specific race including some warm of races that they may be working on specific goals in the race not necessarily winning it


In the same vein teams that have a real championship at the end I will rest players will you try to break in a player everything is designed for the playoff push

That’s why you see teams resting players in say week 17 of the NFL throughout the season in major league baseball and the NBA. They understand that the playoffs or what is important and keeping players healthy rested and sharp is their goal
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(12-28-2020 09:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 01:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:21 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-26-2020 10:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-26-2020 09:30 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  The best team always wins the college basketball title.

You cannot say that about college football

You can't say it about college basketball either. Determining who the best team is is not the goal of the NCAAT. "Champion" doesn't mean "Best". It just means the winner of a tournament.

In the modern era, the NCAAT has done a good job of producing a champion from a field that includes all the teams that could be considered realistic candidates to be described as the "best". That wasn't always the case.

The BCS "champion" didn't win such a tournament, and we can make a good case that in many years of the BCS a team that wasn't invited to play in the championship game might very well have been the "best", and some of those might have actually won had they been given a chance to play.

Even with only a four team tournament, the CFP has done a pretty good job of including every team that could have won that tournament, and maybe even could have won an 8 team tournament. It's why the winner is almost universally accepted as a worthy champion. But like the NCAAT, no college football playoff can ever be said to determine which team is "best". Not even the Super Bowl does that.


Actually you can. The best team is the one that can win 6 in a row when it really matters.

If you lose in the tournament, you just proved you aren't the best team. I thought that was the whole point of sports - to determine the winner on the field. Otherwise, why bother to play?

Are you suggesting that the best team always wins, every time? I don't know anybody who believes that. If it were true every champion in every sport would be unbeaten. And there would be no point for a school to continue playing once they lose their first game, since they have already "proven" that they aren't the best.

News flash. The better team doesn't always win. That's what makes sports interesting.

If I played the best chess player in the world 1000 times, math says I would win at least once and probably draw a number of times. Would that mean I was better or equal? No. He would win 900 or 950 or 975 out of 1000 times.

If it was at the world championship and you won more than he did then yes.

You’re completely missing the point. Losing a game in the regular season when you may be working on things have injured players resting players etc. should not be at the death knell like it is in college football

You use the regular season to determine the pool of eligible candidates and for seating and then let them settle it on the playing field

Was Maryland Baltimore County a better team than Virginia? On that night they were. But there’s no way that you can claim Virginia was the best team if they couldn’t even beat a 16 seed
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(12-24-2020 12:33 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(12-24-2020 12:11 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I'll reiterate my Madness reform: 96 teams, autobids to RS and tourney champ. (32 at-large)

Conference tournaments are fun but they really negate the regular season. I do like your RS auto berth idea though.

Conference tourneys should just be canned. The regular season has to mean something.

And the committee should be prohibited from including at-large teams that are .500 or less overall or in conference play. No one wants to see .500 Big East teams getting in over mid-major teams with far better records.
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(12-29-2020 09:57 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 09:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 01:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:21 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-26-2020 10:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  You can't say it about college basketball either. Determining who the best team is is not the goal of the NCAAT. "Champion" doesn't mean "Best". It just means the winner of a tournament.

In the modern era, the NCAAT has done a good job of producing a champion from a field that includes all the teams that could be considered realistic candidates to be described as the "best". That wasn't always the case.

The BCS "champion" didn't win such a tournament, and we can make a good case that in many years of the BCS a team that wasn't invited to play in the championship game might very well have been the "best", and some of those might have actually won had they been given a chance to play.

Even with only a four team tournament, the CFP has done a pretty good job of including every team that could have won that tournament, and maybe even could have won an 8 team tournament. It's why the winner is almost universally accepted as a worthy champion. But like the NCAAT, no college football playoff can ever be said to determine which team is "best". Not even the Super Bowl does that.


Actually you can. The best team is the one that can win 6 in a row when it really matters.

If you lose in the tournament, you just proved you aren't the best team. I thought that was the whole point of sports - to determine the winner on the field. Otherwise, why bother to play?

Are you suggesting that the best team always wins, every time? I don't know anybody who believes that. If it were true every champion in every sport would be unbeaten. And there would be no point for a school to continue playing once they lose their first game, since they have already "proven" that they aren't the best.

News flash. The better team doesn't always win. That's what makes sports interesting.

If I played the best chess player in the world 1000 times, math says I would win at least once and probably draw a number of times. Would that mean I was better or equal? No. He would win 900 or 950 or 975 out of 1000 times.

If it was at the world championship and you won more than he did then yes.

You’re completely missing the point. Losing a game in the regular season when you may be working on things have injured players resting players etc. should not be at the death knell like it is in college football

You use the regular season to determine the pool of eligible candidates and for seating and then let them settle it on the playing field

Was Maryland Baltimore County a better team than Virginia? On that night they were. But there’s no way that you can claim Virginia was the best team if they couldn’t even beat a 16 seed

No. You are completely missing the point. One game does not mean someone is better. There's a reason the NBA finals and World Series are 7 games. There's a reason a lot of top chess players boycotted the FIDE world chess championship when they turned it into a quick knockout match with ties decided by blitz games.

College basketball is a one game knockout match.
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(12-29-2020 12:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 09:57 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 09:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 01:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:21 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Actually you can. The best team is the one that can win 6 in a row when it really matters.

If you lose in the tournament, you just proved you aren't the best team. I thought that was the whole point of sports - to determine the winner on the field. Otherwise, why bother to play?

Are you suggesting that the best team always wins, every time? I don't know anybody who believes that. If it were true every champion in every sport would be unbeaten. And there would be no point for a school to continue playing once they lose their first game, since they have already "proven" that they aren't the best.

News flash. The better team doesn't always win. That's what makes sports interesting.

If I played the best chess player in the world 1000 times, math says I would win at least once and probably draw a number of times. Would that mean I was better or equal? No. He would win 900 or 950 or 975 out of 1000 times.

If it was at the world championship and you won more than he did then yes.

You’re completely missing the point. Losing a game in the regular season when you may be working on things have injured players resting players etc. should not be at the death knell like it is in college football

You use the regular season to determine the pool of eligible candidates and for seating and then let them settle it on the playing field

Was Maryland Baltimore County a better team than Virginia? On that night they were. But there’s no way that you can claim Virginia was the best team if they couldn’t even beat a 16 seed

No. You are completely missing the point. One game does not mean someone is better. There's a reason the NBA finals and World Series are 7 games. There's a reason a lot of top chess players boycotted the FIDE world chess championship when they turned it into a quick knockout match with ties decided by blitz games.

College basketball is a one game knockout match.

The Super Bowl is one game. That's the nature of football. You can't play a 7 game series. So yes, losing a game that matters is the end of you.
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The NCAA tournament is probably the pinnacle of pure competition and a level playing field. Every conference has an auto bid, even the ones that haven't won a game in 20 years.
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(12-24-2020 04:40 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(12-24-2020 04:37 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  As I already said, midmajors need a perfect storm to get into the CFP or March Madness. The power schools get a benefit of the doubt mid-majors aren't afforded.
Midmajors can get into March Madness through the autobid. There is no autobid in the CFP. Apples vs oranges.

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Not only that, multi round upsets happen quite regularly. Butler made back to back title games.
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(12-29-2020 09:57 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 09:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 01:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:21 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-26-2020 10:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  You can't say it about college basketball either. Determining who the best team is is not the goal of the NCAAT. "Champion" doesn't mean "Best". It just means the winner of a tournament.

In the modern era, the NCAAT has done a good job of producing a champion from a field that includes all the teams that could be considered realistic candidates to be described as the "best". That wasn't always the case.

The BCS "champion" didn't win such a tournament, and we can make a good case that in many years of the BCS a team that wasn't invited to play in the championship game might very well have been the "best", and some of those might have actually won had they been given a chance to play.

Even with only a four team tournament, the CFP has done a pretty good job of including every team that could have won that tournament, and maybe even could have won an 8 team tournament. It's why the winner is almost universally accepted as a worthy champion. But like the NCAAT, no college football playoff can ever be said to determine which team is "best". Not even the Super Bowl does that.


Actually you can. The best team is the one that can win 6 in a row when it really matters.

If you lose in the tournament, you just proved you aren't the best team. I thought that was the whole point of sports - to determine the winner on the field. Otherwise, why bother to play?

Are you suggesting that the best team always wins, every time? I don't know anybody who believes that. If it were true every champion in every sport would be unbeaten. And there would be no point for a school to continue playing once they lose their first game, since they have already "proven" that they aren't the best.

News flash. The better team doesn't always win. That's what makes sports interesting.

If I played the best chess player in the world 1000 times, math says I would win at least once and probably draw a number of times. Would that mean I was better or equal? No. He would win 900 or 950 or 975 out of 1000 times.

If it was at the world championship and you won more than he did then yes.

You’re completely missing the point. Losing a game in the regular season when you may be working on things have injured players resting players etc. should not be at the death knell like it is in college football

You use the regular season to determine the pool of eligible candidates and for seating and then let them settle it on the playing field

Was Maryland Baltimore County a better team than Virginia? On that night they were. But there’s no way that you can claim Virginia was the best team if they couldn’t even beat a 16 seed

For the record, UMBC played a really good game...and Virginia seemed slow on defense and didn’t shoot well. It was not a fluky game (other than D’Andre Hunter not being able to play). UMBC was clearly the better team that entire game.

But if we are judging the best team in college basketball, Virginia had the credentials during the regular season & conference championships. They only lost two regular season games and were 20-1 against ACC opponents. I thought that there were two other championship caliber teams: Villanova and Duke. UVA somehow managed to beat Duke at Cameron Stadium. As a season ticket holder for Villanova basketball, I also saw all the Wildcats games (live or on TV). UVA would have played well against Villanova and was hoping for that finals match-up.

Bottom-line, Virginia had a statistically better regular season than all other NCAA D1 teams. Virginia also had a historically bad loss in the tournament. Villanova achieved a solid #1 seed and then got better throughout the tournament. I’d argue that Villanova was the “best” team that season because of their overall body of work.

Nevertheless, I believe that the NCAA tournament champion is the “best” team only about half of all the seasons. I don’t discount nor disregard the regular season games because it’s part of the teams accomplishment. I also pay good money to watch regular season games.
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RE: Can we all just acknowledge: the CFP and March Madness are NOT sports competitions
CitrusUCF: I'd be fine with abolishing conference tournaments and taking the 32 RS champs, and going to 64 teams, RS Champs higher seeds.
12-29-2020 09:33 PM
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