(12-22-2020 10:08 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  This was always going to be a shoot out. UCF's reciever dropped that wide open touch down early in the game. It was like a sprinter stumbling out of the blocks, UCF never recovered.

What bothered me was UCF looked disinterested from the get go. Memphis has been doing the same thing for a few of their bowl games too. That's on coaching. We win, we all win. We lose, we all lose. Both Tulane and UCF played teams that wanted to win more than they did. That bothers me for the conference.

I hope Memphis shows up tomorrow. We've got a players coach which I'm not a fan of. We already have a Penny tucking these kids into bed every night coach. We don't need two of them.

Give me Wichita Marshall fire every day. Yeah I know he gave a couple of kids a spanking but, in this day of everyone gets a trophy you need a hard nose coach. There I said it.

(12-22-2020 10:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:37 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Heupal is not a motivator. He will never recruit like the big schools. He allowed the best QB to transfer. I want the best for UCF, but am doubting if the HC is really the answer.

Some wags in New England who prefer Brady over Belichik like to say that "Tom Brady was The System".

Maybe in UCF's case, McKenzie Milton was the system, made some mediocre coaches look good?

Mediocre coaches? Was Frost a mediocre coach. Frost was a motivator, a lot like Levine. Frost has to live in the Midwest where the weather makes a difference. Frost's recruiting wasn't that bad. I believe if Frost would have stayed, UCF would be where UC would be, or better.

AS far as Milton, UCF will regret losing him like you say. I just hope he helps FSU kick Clemson's ass.

Heupel has a handicapped roster to play with. UCF willl be fine in the long run. Look forward to next season and pray you don't play Tulsa.

(12-22-2020 10:46 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:08 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  This was always going to be a shoot out. UCF's reciever dropped that wide open touch down early in the game. It was like a sprinter stumbling out of the blocks, UCF never recovered.

What bothered me was UCF looked disinterested from the get go. Memphis has been doing the same thing for a few of their bowl games too. That's on coaching. We win, we all win. We lose, we all lose. Both Tulane and UCF played teams that wanted to win more than they did. That bothers me for the conference.

I hope Memphis shows up tomorrow. We've got a players coach which I'm not a fan of. We already have a Penny tucking these kids into bed every night coach. We don't need two of them.

Give me Wichita Marshall fire every day. Yeah I know he gave a couple of kids a spanking but, in this day of everyone gets a trophy you need a hard nose coach. There I said it.

Careful. The dimwits from the Memphis board may burn you for heresy.

I've heard it said that getting to the top is easy. Staying there, that's the real challenge.

(12-22-2020 11:01 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  Heupel has a handicapped roster to play with. UCF willl be fine in the long run. Look forward to next season and pray you don't play Tulsa.

Thank God you’re not our AD

USF just doesn’t care at all, a deflated tire, but hey, stone crabs for supper...

(12-22-2020 11:04 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:46 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:08 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  This was always going to be a shoot out. UCF's reciever dropped that wide open touch down early in the game. It was like a sprinter stumbling out of the blocks, UCF never recovered.

What bothered me was UCF looked disinterested from the get go. Memphis has been doing the same thing for a few of their bowl games too. That's on coaching. We win, we all win. We lose, we all lose. Both Tulane and UCF played teams that wanted to win more than they did. That bothers me for the conference.

I hope Memphis shows up tomorrow. We've got a players coach which I'm not a fan of. We already have a Penny tucking these kids into bed every night coach. We don't need two of them.

Give me Wichita Marshall fire every day. Yeah I know he gave a couple of kids a spanking but, in this day of everyone gets a trophy you need a hard nose coach. There I said it.

Careful. The dimwits from the Memphis board may burn you for heresy.

Yeah I know.

(12-22-2020 11:05 PM)CrownRoyal Wrote:  I've heard it said that getting to the top is easy. Staying there, that's the real challenge.

Luke Fickell likes to say something along the lines of it’s easy to be a really good team but to go from a really good team to a great team is extremely difficult. UCF was a great team but I think it shows how difficult it is not only to become a great team, but to maintain it for long periods of time.

UCF will be back. I just hope they fix the defense. I get that UCF’s offense handicaps the defense at times, but you can’t blame all of their defensice problems on the offense. There were huge cushions even early and little resistance in the run game. Hopefully they get it together because the American needs UCF, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, and everyone playing as good as possible to push the conference further.

(12-22-2020 10:02 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:48 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  BYU is the sort that will keep their foot on the gas until it's humiliating.

Then they start running their yaps.

Then there's fight after the game.

They're an independent. Of course they're going for style points. No way this BYU team is 16th. They could beat anyone in the country.

Except coastal Carolina

(12-23-2020 02:18 AM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:02 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:48 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  BYU is the sort that will keep their foot on the gas until it's humiliating.

Then they start running their yaps.

Then there's fight after the game.

They're an independent. Of course they're going for style points. No way this BYU team is 16th. They could beat anyone in the country.

Except coastal Carolina

Ouch that hurts - good one - but ouch that stings.

Coastal Carolina, BYU, and Boise to the AAC all sports. Army and AF for Football Only. Wipes out all the other G4 NYD at large bowl competition and leaves Army, Navy, and AF with 4 OOC games to pad their win total for bowl eligibility. Sets the AAC up as a true P6. Maybe Aresco could get ESPN to open their purse strings for "POWER CONFERNCE MONEY" and secure some better money making bowls too.

teh ucf decline is gonna make for good internet

(12-23-2020 09:58 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  teh ucf decline is gonna make for good internet

Looking back, it looks like UCF struck lightning in a bottle with Mckenzie Milton. He was on deck for everything great that happened after the 2015 collapse.

As much as I'd like it to be, that's not necessarily a knock on UCF though, it's the nature of college football. The last five years, the best teams are the teams with super-star QBs. As Nick Saban has said, "it used to be that in crunch time, a great defense beats a great offense, but not anymore". And great offenses are run by super-star QBs.

The key to *ongoing* success is to keep finding them, e.g. Clemson followed up DeShaun Watson with Trevor Lawrence. If you can't keep finding them, you end up like Auburn 2010 or FSU 2013, a one hit wonder kind of thing.

UCF has to find another MM. We all do.

(12-23-2020 10:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 09:58 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  teh ucf decline is gonna make for good internet

Looking back, it looks like UCF struck lightning in a bottle with Mckenzie Milton. He was on deck for everything great that happened after the 2015 collapse.

As much as I'd like it to be, that's not necessarily a knock on UCF though, it's the nature of college football. The last five years, the best teams are the teams with super-star QBs. As Nick Saban has said, "it used to be that in crunch time, a great defense beats a great offense, but not anymore". And great offenses are run by super-star QBs.

The key to *ongoing* success is to keep finding them, e.g. Clemson followed up DeShaun Watson with Trevor Lawrence. If you can't keep finding them, you end up like Auburn 2010 or FSU 2013, a one hit wonder kind of thing.

UCF has to find another MM. We all do.

Definitely agree, the times where you could win a national championship with a good run game and defense are gone. As a coach, you have to keep finding great QB’s, and surround them with great talent. Your job as a DC now is to try and make teams one dimensional at the very least. We don’t have a HC or a DC who can do either. Dillon Gabriel is largely here because of Milton. They are best friends and he’s here because of Milton. If only Heup was responsible, DG would be at UGA/USC and we would have nothing after Milton left.

(12-23-2020 10:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 09:58 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  teh ucf decline is gonna make for good internet

Looking back, it looks like UCF struck lightning in a bottle with Mckenzie Milton. He was on deck for everything great that happened after the 2015 collapse.

As much as I'd like it to be, that's not necessarily a knock on UCF though, it's the nature of college football. The last five years, the best teams are the teams with super-star QBs. As Nick Saban has said, "it used to be that in crunch time, a great defense beats a great offense, but not anymore". And great offenses are run by super-star QBs.

The key to *ongoing* success is to keep finding them, e.g. Clemson followed up DeShaun Watson with Trevor Lawrence. If you can't keep finding them, you end up like Auburn 2010 or FSU 2013, a one hit wonder kind of thing.

UCF has to find another MM. We all do.

We also had better line play than Huep’s teams have had. 2017 and to a lesser degree 2018 gave KZ some good protection. When they failed, that’s when he showed that he was an incredible player and could always make something out of nothing. Watch the Auburn game, both lines did amazing against probably the best opponent OL/DL we’ve faced in four years.

The OL has been rubbish the last two years. Every quality team we’ve played has pushed them around, and Gabriel doesn’t have KZ’s elusiveness or improvisation. And with Huep’s style of offense, this usually leads to three and outs with 30 seconds off the clock.

Frost called a lot more small ball plays. I was fine with the hurry up under this style. We could more efficiently move the ball against any type of defense thrown at us. If someone has the athletes to match up with us on defense under the Huepel regime, we lose. Every time. He’s good at beating down on inferior opponents, though.

The defense is another matter. We’re down so many guys on that end I’m not sure we can really take anything from this. Was still an embarrassing effort on that end.

Damn. Really expected UCF to win this and finish the season ranked. One has to think those bowl opt outs played a huge role in the blowout, although I'm not sure if BYU had any important players opt out.

Hopefully UCF gets back on track next year. I understand the frustration a lot of fans have with Huepel.

(12-22-2020 09:48 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  BYU is the sort that will keep their foot on the gas until it's humiliating.

Then they start running their yaps.

Then there's fight after the game.

The board narrative isn't true? But what will Memphis fans have to complain about BYU now?

https://twitter.com/chasepalmer50/status...5250484224

(12-23-2020 11:11 AM)Nameless Wrote:  Damn. Really expected UCF to win this and finish the season ranked. One has to think those bowl opt outs played a huge role in the blowout, although I'm not sure if BYU had any important players opt out.

Hopefully UCF gets back on track next year. I understand the frustration a lot of fans have with Huepel.

BYU was missing two NFL-hopeful starting olineman (C Empey and G Barrington) and one of our starting DBs (CB Wilcox). I'm sure they're justifying the opt out now after seeing starting oline Hoge go down with a bad-looking knee injury in the second half.

Also, Offensive Coordinator (Coach Grimes) and Oline Coach (Coach Mateos) were out because of COVID protocols.

Game plan - especially 3rd down on both sides of the ball - looked really good for BYU last night. Both BYU's offense and the defense played well.

I'm happy we played UCF in the bowl game and have them again on the future schedules a couple of times. Quality program and good sportsmanship on both sides all night.

(12-23-2020 12:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 11:11 AM)Nameless Wrote:  Damn. Really expected UCF to win this and finish the season ranked. One has to think those bowl opt outs played a huge role in the blowout, although I'm not sure if BYU had any important players opt out.

Hopefully UCF gets back on track next year. I understand the frustration a lot of fans have with Huepel.

BYU was missing two NFL-hopeful starting olineman (C Empey and G Barrington) and one of our starting DBs (CB Wilcox). I'm sure they're justifying the opt out now after seeing starting oline Hoge go down with a bad-looking knee injury in the second half.

Also, Offensive Coordinator (Coach Grimes) and Oline Coach (Coach Mateos) were out because of COVID protocols.

Game plan - especially 3rd down on both sides of the ball - looked really good for BYU last night. Both BYU's offense and the defense played well.

I'm happy we played UCF in the bowl game and have them again on the future schedules a couple of times. Quality program and good sportsmanship on both sides all night.

We haven’t been a quality program for a couple of years now and probably for the next few years as well. Should help with our scheduling though so I guess that’s a positive

(12-23-2020 12:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 11:11 AM)Nameless Wrote:  Damn. Really expected UCF to win this and finish the season ranked. One has to think those bowl opt outs played a huge role in the blowout, although I'm not sure if BYU had any important players opt out.

Hopefully UCF gets back on track next year. I understand the frustration a lot of fans have with Huepel.

BYU was missing two NFL-hopeful starting olineman (C Empey and G Barrington) and one of our starting DBs (CB Wilcox). I'm sure they're justifying the opt out now after seeing starting oline Hoge go down with a bad-looking knee injury in the second half.

Also, Offensive Coordinator (Coach Grimes) and Oline Coach (Coach Mateos) were out because of COVID protocols.

Game plan - especially 3rd down on both sides of the ball - looked really good for BYU last night. Both BYU's offense and the defense played well.

I'm happy we played UCF in the bowl game and have them again on the future schedules a couple of times. Quality program and good sportsmanship on both sides all night.

UCF was physically manhandled all night. Men against boys is what it looked like.