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RE: AAC expansion and ODU
(12-30-2020 02:04 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Yea, I think I've missed any real evidence that the fan base has turned on Wood. I see the frequent writers on here trying to drum up anti-administration support but I also see ODU Athletics raising more money than it ever has year after year with an even larger $5m gift to fund the current pandemic year's scholarship bill. If that isn't evidence to the contrary, I'm following the wrong indicators here.

Or perhaps the real fans are here and fake fans just cut the checks.

Yet, they cut wrestling because they couldn't afford it any longer.
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(12-30-2020 02:04 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Yea, I think I've missed any real evidence that the fan base has turned on Wood. I see the frequent writers on here trying to drum up anti-administration support but I also see ODU Athletics raising more money than it ever has year after year with an even larger $5m gift to fund the current pandemic year's scholarship bill. If that isn't evidence to the contrary, I'm following the wrong indicators here.

Or perhaps the real fans are here and fake fans just cut the checks.

I think the admin is quite good at raising money. They’re just bad at spending it wisely with a good ROI.
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(12-30-2020 02:22 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 02:04 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Yea, I think I've missed any real evidence that the fan base has turned on Wood. I see the frequent writers on here trying to drum up anti-administration support but I also see ODU Athletics raising more money than it ever has year after year with an even larger $5m gift to fund the current pandemic year's scholarship bill. If that isn't evidence to the contrary, I'm following the wrong indicators here.

Or perhaps the real fans are here and fake fans just cut the checks.

Yet, they cut wrestling because they couldn't afford it any longer.

They also couldn't afford the cost of adding another 1-2 female sports as well to get closer to being Title IX compliant.
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Boo hoo

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(12-30-2020 03:56 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  Boo hoo

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cry all you like, but it is what it is
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(12-30-2020 02:31 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 02:04 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Yea, I think I've missed any real evidence that the fan base has turned on Wood. I see the frequent writers on here trying to drum up anti-administration support but I also see ODU Athletics raising more money than it ever has year after year with an even larger $5m gift to fund the current pandemic year's scholarship bill. If that isn't evidence to the contrary, I'm following the wrong indicators here.

Or perhaps the real fans are here and fake fans just cut the checks.

I think the admin is quite good sat raising money. They’re just bad at spending it wisely with a good ROI.


I mean they raised how many millions over a 5-year period on the premise of a Waterfront stadium and boatgating? He is fantastic at the bait and switch. Apparently some people still go for it. At the end of the day we have become what we are and the top secret angel donors can’t and won’t change that.


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Were you swindled?

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I sure wasn't.
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(12-30-2020 02:04 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Yea, I think I've missed any real evidence that the fan base has turned on Wood. I see the frequent writers on here trying to drum up anti-administration support but I also see ODU Athletics raising more money than it ever has year after year with an even larger $5m gift to fund the current pandemic year's scholarship bill. If that isn't evidence to the contrary, I'm following the wrong indicators here.

Or perhaps the real fans are here and fake fans just cut the checks.
That's the problem, Wood it's nothing but a fundraiser. We need some leadership and vision out of the man who leads the athletic department.

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I was just responding to the comment that the fan base has turned on him and was just looking for the evidence. But I think I've elicited enough posts here to see the groundswell. Carry on--don't mind me; I was just stopping in for a day or so.
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Again, compared to the total fan base, what we see here is drop on the ocean stuff. I'm not happy, but I think I have a decent idea of how some things work

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It is just about impossible to be happy with the state of the athletic department. Even some of you holding on are only pretending and just trying do what you think is best to protect/defend ODU. I don't know a solitary live person that is satisfied. Can anyone honestly say with a straight face that Wood Selig has done a good job? No. He knows how to bait and switch and he knows how to circle jerk with the wealthy. The department is a dumpster fire.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing. You are never going to please everyone.

Some of the complaints about WS we have seen here in retrospect:

We shouldn't have added football.
That was on Dr Jarratt, not WS. I happen to think that football was the right move.

We shouldn't have moved to FBS.
At the time it was almost a no brainer given the unique opportunity to move up, a hefty media payout, more national visibility, and a close-by ECU. VCU and GMU were already headed "out of town", leaving the CAA a wasteland for MBB. Despite delusional claims to the contrary, there is zero evidence that we had any shot at the the A10 along with them. The ECU move to the ACC came after the fact, as did the subsequent media monies drop off, and the Cox amendment, which hurt us tremendously. Additionally, this was not an exclusive decision made by the AD. Given the available information at the time, I think it was the correct decision.

We should have fired BW when we moved up. In retrospect, yes. However the PR and effect on donations at the time would have been devastating given his almost deified status. Other opportunities with far less PR kickback were right after the UNC game, after the 2017 season, and the Liberty loss. To hold on to BW as long as he did, was IMO NOT the correct decision, but the pressures of donors who still believed he was God certainly weighed in to the very end.
Hiring Rhane so far looks like a good decision. We will see what "retrospect" says in the future.

Karen Barefoot. 'nuff said. Many here initially questioned the hire and it was an abject disaster.
Subsequent hires look like good decisions. We will see what "retrospect" says later on.

Jeff Jones. Many here questioned that hire at the time, including myself. JJ brought name recognition but also some personal baggage. He also brought a mediocre performance resume from American. I thought it was the wrong hire at the time. I think "retrospect" has already spoken on this one, however we on this board are not necessarily representative of all fans, donors, and the ODU admin. Until last season He had not had a losing record, won the conference, and has had four post season appearances. While not good enough for many posters on this board, that is arguably good enough for many fans, and donors.

Decision to cancel Fall 2020 sports. That was certainly not all on WS, and he did not even have the final say. It may be some time before "retrospect" gives us the proper answer to this one.

Dropping sports, including wrestling. That was hardly on WS or even the athletic department as a whole, and was seen all over the country, even at the highest level of the P5. It was not unique. It was a matter of finances.

Stadium location controversy I have some insight on that as at the time I still had my BOV contacts. What I will say is that the decision to vacate Powhatan was made in November, but was not made public until the following January or February.
That was not all on WS. The President's office knew, as well as ODAF. That is all I can say. The final authority here was with the BOV.

So, WS has had some successes and some failures. As for FB and WBB he seems to have made good choices subsequent to some not so good choices.
Many choices have been made due to financial constraints. The effect of the Cox legislation cannot be overstated.
NO AD is perfect, and there will be perceived failings no matter who an AD is at most Div 1 programs.

Looking at the above body of work, extenuating circumstances, and Selig's actual authority, I conclude that WS has done a decent job.
The AD is not an island. and is subject to influence, constraints, and actual authority from he office of the President, Financial Office (Controller) and the BOV. Further, ODAF has more influence than some of you understand, even to dictating or restricting decisions made by the AD.
As with high profile leadership positions everywhere, he will likely get more credit than is actually due for successes, and more blame than is warranted when things go wrong. That is the way of the world.

Having said all that, I think Wood's immediate task should be to address MBB. JJ does not have the "mythical creature" shield that adorned BW for so many years.

04-cheers
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When is Selig's contract up?

Do you think we would hear before or after if an extension is given?

How long is a typical extension?
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I guess fund raising, dealing with all sports, administration duties, etc all have their place. IMHO, an AD is ultimately judged on one thing and one thing only. His coaching hires and success, or lack of, in football and men's basketball.
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@'78, you left out the handling of Wendy's contract right before Karen's hire. That must've been tough, tough, tough, given her status her legendary ODU status.

As far as AD performance, most college athletics departments outside of the ESPN chosen circle struggle mightily to fund the number of scholarships required to operate at this level. And generating enough revenue from playing games and attracting gifts is a very fundamental role of the athletic director. To me, ODU is doing ok with its finances. Not excessive to the good, but certainly not far below average either. So I'm not sure there is evidence that Wood is doing a bad job. I definitely believe ODU needs to think differently about its coaching hires. It's been a longstanding issue of mine that I haven't talked about on here, but as long as there are people willing to give good money to help him fund that scholarship bill, I am not going to say that a athletics administrator was able to swindle them out of it. I think people that are successful enough to have that kind of loot are also smart enough to know how to spend what they've earned without the stupidity of being swindled over how many years has he been here now?

All that said, I just want to see ODU playing at the highest level possible. And for me, I just hold onto the amount of future NFL talent coming thru Ballard Stadium vs what we've ever had before. I want us to aggressiively stack up recruiting talent like never before and match up against the other schools in this league. And if we can do that, we can win CUSA in football and basketball. Basketball is there for the taking too, but Rick Stansbury is recruiting and WKU is trying to revive its national respect. Maybe he's cheating but I leave the judging to the authorities. Until then, I just think ODU needs to recruit and compete. And if the coaches aren't willing to work hard to recruit within the rules, get em out of here and find the coach that will--for all sports. If we would just take care of winning, we could stop with all the "Wood should call other ADs and set up a new conference" talk. ADs don't set up conferences, TV networks do, but you have to be good to be chosen. If we were winning this league consistently, the AAC would probably be calling for all the reasons that Harry Minium has written about for years, but instead they called Wichita State, who doesn't even have all the sports that they play. Wins matter and our coaches have to set us up to be outstanding.
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Good luck in 2021 ODU. I was jealous when ODU moved to CUSA while JMU did nothing. What was right long term, hell if I know. At least you have reason to believe ODU will be part of whatever the G5s do while JMU is watching CAA football come apart and no guarantee that a G5 landing spot will present when the G5s shift.
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(01-01-2021 10:49 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Good luck in 2021 ODU. I was jealous when ODU moved to CUSA while JMU did nothing. What was right long term, hell if I know. At least you have reason to believe ODU will be part of whatever the G5s do while JMU is watching CAA football come apart and no guarantee that a G5 landing spot will present when the G5s shift.

How is CAA falling apart?
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Really good article about the state of CUSA from a football perspective. Pretty spot on.

https://www.underdogdynasty.com/conferen...v-contract

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(01-01-2021 12:11 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Really good article about the state of CUSA from a football perspective. Pretty spot on.

https://www.underdogdynasty.com/conferen...v-contract

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Wow. That article spells out very clearly the reality of being in this conference. It’s a great, and sadly accurate analysis. The only thing I think it misses is that it focuses exclusively on football. Basketball in CUSA (while not the old CAA) Has some reasonable interest and rivalries. It’s better than the Belt or current CAA. But does any of that matter if it’s still a one bid league? Probably not much.
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