Just hire an assistant that knows how to coach a college team. Quit hiring buddies. Let him run the team, and Penny can be the face and lead recruiter. We have some good players but are terribly coached. It’s not a point guard problem, it’s a coaching problem. This team is just awful now.

(12-22-2020 09:18 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:14 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:10 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:06 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:02 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  I don't listen to TV commentators.

...so you have the sound off ?

Yes

I was watching college basketball before most of those guys parents even met.

GOTCHA LOL......most of the city used to turn the sound down on the TV---and turn up BIG JACK---and that's for real fact LOL

I did that.

Me too---BIG JACK was the best of all time

What the issue is to me is that that game looked last night exactly like it did Penny's very first year. He has not made a single adjustment to the way he calls a game since game 1. At one point last night at the end of the game the camera was on Penny's eyes and i swear i thought i was looking at Forrest Whitaker...there was NOTHING in his eyes. No fire, no disgust, nothing. The offense is horrible so he said i'll take it over and it still looks the same lol. The university is at a point now if Penny left it would not be the death of the program. I love Penny. I was a nerd and never missed school but my mom let me stay home to see Penny announce his college choice back in the day. So it hurts my heart to see that he has no clue how to be the head man on a legitimate Division 1 program. He has money so he does not need this job. It almost seems like he's helping a buddy coach church league games. I thought last night man i'd love to see Mark Few coach this team. I imagined Nolan Richardson in his prime on the sidelines.Everybody on here loves Memphis and wants the best for the program so we need to stop beating each other up when someone has a difference of opinion. I'm a nobody with a beat up body from factory work the last 25 years. But man i have watched the Tigers for 45 of my 50 years. I wore my socks up to my knees and wanted goggles watching EP. I stayed home for Penny. I've never watched a replay of the Championship game and never will. Now, i debate if i even want to watch the Tigers play.
Ive only been able to watch one game live-Penny vs Minnesota at the Pyramid. Every single game that was ever on tv i've watched those 45 years. Never missed one if it wasn't on tv but on the internet. It hurts me to watch this. I know you guys hurt watching it. It just hurts.

(12-22-2020 09:23 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Just hire an assistant that knows how to coach a college team. Quit hiring buddies. Let him run the team, and Penny can be the face and lead recruiter. We have some good players but are terribly coached. It’s not a point guard problem, it’s a coaching problem. This team is just awful now.

The assistant thing is not going to work or will take some major overhauling because Penny has signed these guys under the promise of not playing traditional college ball. I think I remember Harrison Ingram and Greg Brown among other recruits mentioning how different the style is. Unless he has an elite talent and elite athleticism what he does won't work but it's how he got them here so how does he bring in some guy preaching standing around swinging the ball? He would have to first admit his whole plan was bad which I don't see him doing.

(12-21-2020 10:28 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  What or who is your idea for replacing him? I say we ride this thing for the long haul and give him a chance to build his program. And we really don’t have much of a choice.

He is going to figure out that all these coast to coast four and five stars are not all they are cracked up to be and eventually find some dog basketball players and go with that.

(12-22-2020 10:20 AM)dwash Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:23 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Just hire an assistant that knows how to coach a college team. Quit hiring buddies. Let him run the team, and Penny can be the face and lead recruiter. We have some good players but are terribly coached. It’s not a point guard problem, it’s a coaching problem. This team is just awful now.

The assistant thing is not going to work or will take some major overhauling because Penny has signed these guys under the promise of not playing traditional college ball. I think I remember Harrison Ingram and Greg Brown among other recruits mentioning how different the style is. Unless he has an elite talent and elite athleticism what he does won't work but it's how he got them here so how does he bring in some guy preaching standing around swinging the ball? He would have to first admit his whole plan was bad which I don't see him doing.

He already has a bunch of top 100, 4* and 5* players, and you say he needs more elite talent?

(12-22-2020 09:05 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 08:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 08:26 AM)Hoots Wrote:  I'm not ready to jump off of Penny's ship, but I do agree changes need to be made. That was game was UG-LEEEEE. Man, frustrating as heck. No identity, no go-to shooters or scorers, just a mess. And it's not like Tulsa is a world-beater. I'll continue to watch and support, but things cannot look much nastier than that game.

I'm not ready to fire him for sure but if this is what we still have at the end of next season I'm done with him. It's up to him to make some drastic changes in his coaching style. Not that my opinion matters...

.....I am willing to give him --7 years --5 months--2 weeks--4 days--11 hours --23 minutes and 12 seconds--then I am done with him

(12-22-2020 10:09 AM)Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:  What the issue is to me is that that game looked last night exactly like it did Penny's very first year. He has not made a single adjustment to the way he calls a game since game 1. At one point last night at the end of the game the camera was on Penny's eyes and i swear i thought i was looking at Forrest Whitaker...there was NOTHING in his eyes. No fire, no disgust, nothing. The offense is horrible so he said i'll take it over and it still looks the same lol. The university is at a point now if Penny left it would not be the death of the program. I love Penny. I was a nerd and never missed school but my mom let me stay home to see Penny announce his college choice back in the day. So it hurts my heart to see that he has no clue how to be the head man on a legitimate Division 1 program. He has money so he does not need this job. It almost seems like he's helping a buddy coach church league games. I thought last night man i'd love to see Mark Few coach this team. I imagined Nolan Richardson in his prime on the sidelines.Everybody on here loves Memphis and wants the best for the program so we need to stop beating each other up when someone has a difference of opinion. I'm a nobody with a beat up body from factory work the last 25 years. But man i have watched the Tigers for 45 of my 50 years. I wore my socks up to my knees and wanted goggles watching EP. I stayed home for Penny. I've never watched a replay of the Championship game and never will. Now, i debate if i even want to watch the Tigers play.
Ive only been able to watch one game live-Penny vs Minnesota at the Pyramid. Every single game that was ever on tv i've watched those 45 years. Never missed one if it wasn't on tv but on the internet. It hurts me to watch this. I know you guys hurt watching it. It just hurts.

Yep--Penny took over the offense --and we have NEVER looked worse IMO

MEMPHIS has ALWAYS been a fast paced --wear you down program. Last night it looked as if we DELIBERATELY held the ball to the 5 second mark---every single possession . It looked as if that was his directive .

I would rather us shoot an open 3---than a wild forced 2 or wild pass.

I remember someone asked Dana at his hiring presser---would his style be RUN an GUN---he said NO-- RUN an MAKE IT .

MEMPHIS always has superior athletes it seems---so playing slow--plays into our foes hands. Last nights SLOW style was ...well...TWILIGHT ZONE coaching

(12-22-2020 09:02 AM)Claw Wrote:  We've started losing at home. This is going the wrong direction.

I don't like losses anywhere they come but last night was effectively a neutral site game (given no crowd). Any mark in the L column to a team you are supposed to beat is a step in the wrong direction but I'm at least taking the extra sting of home loss out so long as the crowds are gone. That is really the only 'home-field' advantage in-game and it is gone.

(12-22-2020 10:51 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:09 AM)Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:  What the issue is to me is that that game looked last night exactly like it did Penny's very first year. He has not made a single adjustment to the way he calls a game since game 1. At one point last night at the end of the game the camera was on Penny's eyes and i swear i thought i was looking at Forrest Whitaker...there was NOTHING in his eyes. No fire, no disgust, nothing. The offense is horrible so he said i'll take it over and it still looks the same lol. The university is at a point now if Penny left it would not be the death of the program. I love Penny. I was a nerd and never missed school but my mom let me stay home to see Penny announce his college choice back in the day. So it hurts my heart to see that he has no clue how to be the head man on a legitimate Division 1 program. He has money so he does not need this job. It almost seems like he's helping a buddy coach church league games. I thought last night man i'd love to see Mark Few coach this team. I imagined Nolan Richardson in his prime on the sidelines.Everybody on here loves Memphis and wants the best for the program so we need to stop beating each other up when someone has a difference of opinion. I'm a nobody with a beat up body from factory work the last 25 years. But man i have watched the Tigers for 45 of my 50 years. I wore my socks up to my knees and wanted goggles watching EP. I stayed home for Penny. I've never watched a replay of the Championship game and never will. Now, i debate if i even want to watch the Tigers play.
Ive only been able to watch one game live-Penny vs Minnesota at the Pyramid. Every single game that was ever on tv i've watched those 45 years. Never missed one if it wasn't on tv but on the internet. It hurts me to watch this. I know you guys hurt watching it. It just hurts.

Yep--Penny took over the offense --and we have NEVER looked worse IMO

MEMPHIS has ALWAYS been a fast paced --wear you down program. Last night it looked as if we DELIBERATELY held the ball to the 5 second mark---every single possession . It looked as if that was his directive .

I would rather us shoot an open 3---than a wild forced 2 or wild pass.

I remember someone asked Dana at his hiring presser---would his style be RUN an GUN---he said NO-- RUN an MAKE IT .

MEMPHIS always has superior athletes it seems---so playing slow--plays into our foes hands. Last nights SLOW style was ...well...TWILIGHT ZONE coaching

Every player on our team is probably a better "athlete" than Auburn's point guard, I'd rather have him. We need basketball players.

(12-22-2020 11:19 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:51 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:09 AM)Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:  What the issue is to me is that that game looked last night exactly like it did Penny's very first year. He has not made a single adjustment to the way he calls a game since game 1. At one point last night at the end of the game the camera was on Penny's eyes and i swear i thought i was looking at Forrest Whitaker...there was NOTHING in his eyes. No fire, no disgust, nothing. The offense is horrible so he said i'll take it over and it still looks the same lol. The university is at a point now if Penny left it would not be the death of the program. I love Penny. I was a nerd and never missed school but my mom let me stay home to see Penny announce his college choice back in the day. So it hurts my heart to see that he has no clue how to be the head man on a legitimate Division 1 program. He has money so he does not need this job. It almost seems like he's helping a buddy coach church league games. I thought last night man i'd love to see Mark Few coach this team. I imagined Nolan Richardson in his prime on the sidelines.Everybody on here loves Memphis and wants the best for the program so we need to stop beating each other up when someone has a difference of opinion. I'm a nobody with a beat up body from factory work the last 25 years. But man i have watched the Tigers for 45 of my 50 years. I wore my socks up to my knees and wanted goggles watching EP. I stayed home for Penny. I've never watched a replay of the Championship game and never will. Now, i debate if i even want to watch the Tigers play.
Ive only been able to watch one game live-Penny vs Minnesota at the Pyramid. Every single game that was ever on tv i've watched those 45 years. Never missed one if it wasn't on tv but on the internet. It hurts me to watch this. I know you guys hurt watching it. It just hurts.

Yep--Penny took over the offense --and we have NEVER looked worse IMO

MEMPHIS has ALWAYS been a fast paced --wear you down program. Last night it looked as if we DELIBERATELY held the ball to the 5 second mark---every single possession . It looked as if that was his directive .

I would rather us shoot an open 3---than a wild forced 2 or wild pass.

I remember someone asked Dana at his hiring presser---would his style be RUN an GUN---he said NO-- RUN an MAKE IT .

MEMPHIS always has superior athletes it seems---so playing slow--plays into our foes hands. Last nights SLOW style was ...well...TWILIGHT ZONE coaching

Every player on our team is probably a better "athlete" than Auburn's point guard, I'd rather have him. We need basketball players.

I agree

(12-22-2020 09:14 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:00 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 08:55 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 08:37 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 08:17 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  During Penny’s time as head coach, here is what commentators calling our games have said:

I coach 4th graders, and they don’t do that
Memphis finds new and creative ways to turn the ball over
Their offense seems to be “I haven’t shot it in a while, it’s my turn.”
They dribble and move with no intention or purpose - Dicky V
They have no identity on offense.
They look like the same team they were three and years ago.
This is bad basketball.

You decide what those comments point to.

It points to Penny having to take all of the blame for not recruiting a point guard. If we had a point guard, we would look completely different and we would almost never lose. Cisse had 5 turnovers yesterday. At least 3 of them were because one of our guards passed the ball to a spot 2FT in front of an opposing player who had his feet set directly in the flight path of the pass.

The Nembhard kid that ended up at Gonzaga would have solved most of our problems.

I noticed Cisse’s 5 TOs as well. I couldn’t help but think how that even happens. A center should never be put in a position to to turn the ball over that many times. And a lot of it has to do with crappy passes that leave him in an impossible spot.

I remember a play where Boogie takes the defender off the dribble, takes a few steps and attempts to dump the ball to Cisse in the paint, who is surrounded by two guys. What the heck are these guys thinking half the time?

The problem with off ball movement isn't limited to when we are running our offense. When players drive the ball, especially Lomax and DJ, the other players are standing around. The player driving the ball has no option after the first couple of steps, because the rest of the team aren't filling passing lanes or finding gaps for open jump shots.

Boogie and Baugh drive with their head down. Even if they wanted to pass the ball they can't see anyone. Boogie had the nice alley oop to Cisse. That play should be available much more often than we see it. Baugh, Boogie and Lomax can get into the lane.

It happens all the time, but on one play in particular, one of our players drove to the basket and Boogie and Baugh were both standing next to each other at the 3 point line.

Maybe Penny should make them watch film of Steph Curry moving without the ball. Dude stays in constant motion and makes it super hard to defend. They tire out tracking him everywhere.

Another thing that I noticed, is that it isn't quite as simple to say that the players don't move without the ball. Baugh usually starts "running" the offense by pointing at something, and then letting the air out of the ball for 10-15 seconds 40FT from the basket. He then passes the ball to another player 35FT from the basket.

So there is no trigger to start the offense in motion from the point guard. The rest of the team has to wait for the point guard to start the offense and you never know when they will.

(12-22-2020 11:07 AM)angusbethune Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:02 AM)Claw Wrote:  We've started losing at home. This is going the wrong direction.

I don't like losses anywhere they come but last night was effectively a neutral site game (given no crowd). Any mark in the L column to a team you are supposed to beat is a step in the wrong direction but I'm at least taking the extra sting of home loss out so long as the crowds are gone. That is really the only 'home-field' advantage in-game and it is gone.

Yeah--it was a neutral site ---SMH

(12-22-2020 11:32 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 11:19 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:51 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:09 AM)Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:  What the issue is to me is that that game looked last night exactly like it did Penny's very first year. He has not made a single adjustment to the way he calls a game since game 1. At one point last night at the end of the game the camera was on Penny's eyes and i swear i thought i was looking at Forrest Whitaker...there was NOTHING in his eyes. No fire, no disgust, nothing. The offense is horrible so he said i'll take it over and it still looks the same lol. The university is at a point now if Penny left it would not be the death of the program. I love Penny. I was a nerd and never missed school but my mom let me stay home to see Penny announce his college choice back in the day. So it hurts my heart to see that he has no clue how to be the head man on a legitimate Division 1 program. He has money so he does not need this job. It almost seems like he's helping a buddy coach church league games. I thought last night man i'd love to see Mark Few coach this team. I imagined Nolan Richardson in his prime on the sidelines.Everybody on here loves Memphis and wants the best for the program so we need to stop beating each other up when someone has a difference of opinion. I'm a nobody with a beat up body from factory work the last 25 years. But man i have watched the Tigers for 45 of my 50 years. I wore my socks up to my knees and wanted goggles watching EP. I stayed home for Penny. I've never watched a replay of the Championship game and never will. Now, i debate if i even want to watch the Tigers play.
Ive only been able to watch one game live-Penny vs Minnesota at the Pyramid. Every single game that was ever on tv i've watched those 45 years. Never missed one if it wasn't on tv but on the internet. It hurts me to watch this. I know you guys hurt watching it. It just hurts.

Yep--Penny took over the offense --and we have NEVER looked worse IMO

MEMPHIS has ALWAYS been a fast paced --wear you down program. Last night it looked as if we DELIBERATELY held the ball to the 5 second mark---every single possession . It looked as if that was his directive .

I would rather us shoot an open 3---than a wild forced 2 or wild pass.

I remember someone asked Dana at his hiring presser---would his style be RUN an GUN---he said NO-- RUN an MAKE IT .

MEMPHIS always has superior athletes it seems---so playing slow--plays into our foes hands. Last nights SLOW style was ...well...TWILIGHT ZONE coaching

Every player on our team is probably a better "athlete" than Auburn's point guard, I'd rather have him. We need basketball players.

I agree

Our basketball players are Jayden, LQ, Williams, maybe Nolley, and no matter what anyone says; Lomax. Lomax is too physically limited to be truly effective. I think if he was healthy, Dandridge would also fall into that category.

The way I define that is that they know where they should be on the court, know what to do when they have the ball or don't have it. The other players aren't quite there yet. I think that there is hope for most of them; especially Cisse and Boogie.

I really want him to do well, but Baugh has no basketball instincts at all as a point guard. The entire team would benefit so much from having a quality point guard. Baugh could be a real asset playing the 2 or even the 3. As a point guard, he misses the open man, is rarely in the right place when he doesn't have the ball and can't keep defenses honest with his outside shot or by driving.

Maybe we aren't a Porsche, but we are a damn good car that has no steering wheel.

(12-22-2020 09:27 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:18 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:14 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:10 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:06 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  ...so you have the sound off ?

Yes

I was watching college basketball before most of those guys parents even met.

GOTCHA LOL......most of the city used to turn the sound down on the TV---and turn up BIG JACK---and that's for real fact LOL

I did that.

Me too---BIG JACK was the best of all time

You always knew where Big Jack stood. Unlike that idiot loafer lightner drinking feller they got now.

(12-22-2020 11:07 AM)angusbethune Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:02 AM)Claw Wrote:  We've started losing at home. This is going the wrong direction.

I don't like losses anywhere they come but last night was effectively a neutral site game (given no crowd). Any mark in the L column to a team you are supposed to beat is a step in the wrong direction but I'm at least taking the extra sting of home loss out so long as the crowds are gone. That is really the only 'home-field' advantage in-game and it is gone.

That's a good point. Still, it's their regular game court and facilities. They should be comfortable there, but they don't look like it.

(12-22-2020 10:20 AM)dwash Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:23 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Just hire an assistant that knows how to coach a college team. Quit hiring buddies. Let him run the team, and Penny can be the face and lead recruiter. We have some good players but are terribly coached. It’s not a point guard problem, it’s a coaching problem. This team is just awful now.

The assistant thing is not going to work or will take some major overhauling because Penny has signed these guys under the promise of not playing traditional college ball. I think I remember Harrison Ingram and Greg Brown among other recruits mentioning how different the style is. Unless he has an elite talent and elite athleticism what he does won't work but it's how he got them here so how does he bring in some guy preaching standing around swinging the ball? He would have to first admit his whole plan was bad which I don't see him doing.

Ridiculous! You think the players are happy now? Is this helping any of their NBA dreams? It’s just chaos. Chaos works in AAU or high school when you have real superior talent. It doesn’t work against well coached teams with decent talent. How many players on Tulsa or VCU would you be happy with signing? We have highly ranked talent, but without leadership they just look awful.

By now Penny knows what he’s doing just isn’t working. He had the talent to thrive in a system like this, but none of these guys do. They’re good players but none have his talent. He desperately needs a veteran coach that can install an offense and be able to make adjustments during the game. It’s just not happening now.

Look, I’m not saying fire Penny. But get in someone that can fill a need.

Yeah. He just got out coached (badly), by Frank Haith.

Let that sink in.

The problem I see, we do run a motion offense, but we only get two or three passes into it and then it breaks down and players don’t go to their assignment and we end up playing hero ball.

(12-22-2020 10:35 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:20 AM)dwash Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:23 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Just hire an assistant that knows how to coach a college team. Quit hiring buddies. Let him run the team, and Penny can be the face and lead recruiter. We have some good players but are terribly coached. It’s not a point guard problem, it’s a coaching problem. This team is just awful now.

The assistant thing is not going to work or will take some major overhauling because Penny has signed these guys under the promise of not playing traditional college ball. I think I remember Harrison Ingram and Greg Brown among other recruits mentioning how different the style is. Unless he has an elite talent and elite athleticism what he does won't work but it's how he got them here so how does he bring in some guy preaching standing around swinging the ball? He would have to first admit his whole plan was bad which I don't see him doing.

He already has a bunch of top 100, 4* and 5* players, and you say he needs more elite talent?

Yep. Particularly a guard like a Jalen Green. That's the only way what he does will work. Or maybe a super transfer like a Jeremiah Martin type that is already there.