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RE: 2021 NFL Draft
(01-19-2021 01:26 PM)dsquare Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 12:40 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
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(01-19-2021 12:11 PM)Banter Wrote:  Smith should still be able to bring back a lot of dollerydoos to Australia when his time is up. Probably will be able to pay for a lot of long distance calls.

Plus, unlike most NFL players who get a large pile of cash early and blow it, Smith will likely get a great steady income for several years. Once he blows the first batch, he should learn better how to properly manage his later earnings.

Reminds me of the difference between Gronk and Kelce's conversations about first contracts. Gronk was very public about not using a dime of his NFL Contract money and living on endorsements while Kelce said he had used every cent of his first contract by the time he signed his second.

I'm gonna defend Kelce on that. His first contract was for 4 years at $781k/year, and he didn't have Gronk's endorsement income. After the second season it was pretty obvious that Kelce was going to get a massive raise. There was little reason to delay any purchases.

Kelce's second contract was $46 million. The signing bonus alone ($9.8 million) was 3 times his entire 4-year rookie contract.

My guess is Kelce's endorsement money is going to be fairly significant relative to his contracts before it's all over. He's likely to be in football long after his career ends given his personality and looks. Unlikely he's going to ever be short of cash.
I hope you are right but 80% of NFL players are broke 5 years after the career ends. Sad but true.
 
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(01-19-2021 04:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 04:06 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  I’m good with what Kelce does for the program. Now, if I win this week’s PowerBall I will put him to shame.

Oh you best believe I'm giving all the money necessary to lock up the President's Suite for life AND block Doss from re-upping his club tickets so he has to slum it.

No problem when I first bought tickets 30 years ago I sat in I think it was Sec 122? Right behind visitors benches(now UC side). A really fun bunch who abused the visitors badly. The worst was a guy named Decker from Colerain who every game found one player with thin skin and really abused him. I think several times players were about to come into the stands. The best was when Gerry Faust brought Akron in and the week before an Akron coach was arrested on drug charges. The entire game our group chanted "Just Say No" Bad news was Akron won.

I would return to 122 but my wife likes the amenities in THE CLUB SECTION.
 
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Kelce is dabbling in acting, too. He’s set for life.
 
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RE: 2021 NFL Draft
(01-19-2021 06:28 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 04:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 04:06 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  I’m good with what Kelce does for the program. Now, if I win this week’s PowerBall I will put him to shame.

Oh you best believe I'm giving all the money necessary to lock up the President's Suite for life AND block Doss from re-upping his club tickets so he has to slum it.

No problem when I first bought tickets 30 years ago I sat in I think it was Sec 122? Right behind visitors benches(now UC side). A really fun bunch who abused the visitors badly. The worst was a guy named Decker from Colerain who every game found one player with thin skin and really abused him. I think several times players were about to come into the stands. The best was when Gerry Faust brought Akron in and the week before an Akron coach was arrested on drug charges. The entire game our group chanted "Just Say No" Bad news was Akron won.

I would return to 122 but my wife likes the amenities in THE CLUB SECTION.

That sounds like our group of students behind the visitors' bench in basketball in the late 80's. Dana Kirk and his Memphis teams always had thin skins. Denny Crum's Louisville teams had the thickest skin. Kind of explains why one was such a better coach than the other.
 
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Guessing this guy is Tucky's agent, but you can make a pretty nice NFL career out of it if you are good enough.

Bengals' Clark Harris bounced around for a couple of years but has now been their long snapper since 2009. He's 36, made over $1.1M last year and has made over $8M in his NFL career per overthecap.com
 
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(01-22-2021 03:29 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

Guessing this guy is Tucky's agent, but you can make a pretty nice NFL career out of it if you are good enough.

Bengals' Clark Harris bounced around for a couple of years but has now been their long snapper since 2009. He's 36, made over $1.1M last year and has made over $8M in his NFL career per overthecap.com

Windt lasted about 8 or 9 years with the Chargers. Not a shabby gig.
 
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Does the Long Snapper play on defensive special teams plays in the NFL? I honestly have no clue. If you could get him as a punt blocking specialist that you're not wasting a roster spot, I'd imagine that'd be huge.
 
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(01-22-2021 08:50 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  Does the Long Snapper play on defensive special teams plays in the NFL? I honestly have no clue. If you could get him as a punt blocking specialist that you're not wasting a roster spot, I'd imagine that'd be huge.

I mean...they can? Nothing is stopping any player from playing any other position if they see fit.
 
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(01-22-2021 09:16 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 08:50 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  Does the Long Snapper play on defensive special teams plays in the NFL? I honestly have no clue. If you could get him as a punt blocking specialist that you're not wasting a roster spot, I'd imagine that'd be huge.

I mean...they can? Nothing is stopping any player from playing any other position if they see fit.

I don't think some teams want to risk injury to their long snappers that way. Same as their kickers and punters.
 
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(01-22-2021 09:20 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
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(01-22-2021 08:50 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  Does the Long Snapper play on defensive special teams plays in the NFL? I honestly have no clue. If you could get him as a punt blocking specialist that you're not wasting a roster spot, I'd imagine that'd be huge.

I mean...they can? Nothing is stopping any player from playing any other position if they see fit.

I don't think some teams want to risk injury to their long snappers that way. Same as their kickers and punters.

Agreed, but there is not administratively stopping players from playing multiple positions on the field. That's all I'm saying.
 
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(01-22-2021 03:29 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

Guessing this guy is Tucky's agent, but you can make a pretty nice NFL career out of it if you are good enough.

Having a second talent - backing up the long snapper - sounds line a good way to help yourself make an NFL roster. Being another good tackler to the punt coverage team is a nice plus for any team.
 
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(01-22-2021 11:41 AM)ucbandguy Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 03:29 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

Guessing this guy is Tucky's agent, but you can make a pretty nice NFL career out of it if you are good enough.

Having a second talent - backing up the long snapper - sounds line a good way to help yourself make an NFL roster. Being another good tackler to the punt coverage team is a nice plus for any team.

I have a feeling he'll make the NFL one way or another. Seems to be one of those grinders that doesn't take no for an answer. Good luck to him either way!
 
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(01-22-2021 03:29 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

Guessing this guy is Tucky's agent, but you can make a pretty nice NFL career out of it if you are good enough.

Bengals' Clark Harris bounced around for a couple of years but has now been their long snapper since 2009. He's 36, made over $1.1M last year and has made over $8M in his NFL career per overthecap.com

OT update: reading between the lines, I'm wondering if Harris (actually the NFL salary structure) is about to price Harris out of the NFL.

Quote:The Cincinnati Bengals gave out one of the biggest signing bonuses to a reserve/future contract of any team in the NFL recently.

The big bonus went to long snapper Dan Godsil at $27,482, which ranked among the six biggest signing bonuses on those sorts of contracts this offseason, according to ESPN’s Field Yates.

It’s a pretty interesting, albeit small development — Most reserve/future deals don’t have any extra cash, so Godsil getting so much and locking him in for the future means the team sees some great potential or knows something we don’t.
 
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I know this will probably bring about the usual "comedy", but I'd love to see the Bengals add Hudson at some point. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up on draft boards. I'm guessing late R2/early R3 but I'm not ruling out he gets late R1 consideration.
 
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(01-27-2021 08:37 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

I know this will probably bring about the usual "comedy", but I'd love to see the Bengals add Hudson at some point. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up on draft boards. I'm guessing late R2/early R3 but I'm not ruling out he gets late R1 consideration.

I agree. I make fun of the "Bungholes" but I root for them and would love to see a few Bearcats on the team and making them better.
 
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Thought I'd do a quick browse to see if anybody else was talking Hudson. My answer: too many to post. But here's some tidbits:

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The Athletic's draft guru currently has Hudson 77th in his top 100 and says:

Quote:With a strong week in Mobile, he might not get out of the top 40 picks.

There are a bunch more clips and comments out there. This link includes a few and also some of D Forrest and E Tucky from the CGS.

Watch: Bearcats’ OT James Hudson clips at the Senior Bowl
 
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(01-27-2021 08:44 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 08:37 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I know this will probably bring about the usual "comedy", but I'd love to see the Bengals add Hudson at some point. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up on draft boards. I'm guessing late R2/early R3 but I'm not ruling out he gets late R1 consideration.

I agree. I make fun of the "Bungholes" but I root for them and would love to see a few Bearcats on the team and making them better.

If nothing else, you'd think it would make it convenient for a guy like him to visit a UC practice or two just to tell guys what it's like and maybe pass along some NFL tips. But I'm now getting the feeling he won't make it to the Bengals in R3. Man, I wish he wouldn't have gotten DQ'ed against Georgia.
 
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The knock on Hudson is arm length. He measured only 33 inches and the cut off for most tackles in the NFL is 34. Jonah Williams is 33.5 and he was dinged for having a short reach for a guy playing on the outside. A lot of teams may value him at guard.
 
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Still love when people were hoping the Bengals could get him in the 7th while I was sitting there saying he wouldn't even make it halfway through the 2nd Day. I guess I should add NFL Talent Evaluator to my title line.
 
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(01-27-2021 10:36 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  The knock on Hudson is arm length. He measured only 33 inches and the cut off for most tackles in the NFL is 34. Jonah Williams is 33.5 and he was dinged for having a short reach for a guy playing on the outside. A lot of teams may value him at guard.

He could end up at guard but don't forget that Jonah was a top 10 pick for the Bengals as an OT and he wasn't considered a reach (at the time anyway - we'll see how it all works out.) FWIW, there are several senior bowl practice clips out there and I've seen him at RT quite a bit, but I haven't seen him at Guard although that doesn't mean he didn't get some looks there too.

I can certainly believe that some scouts/analysts can get very hung up on arm length, but I'm not sold on it being a big issue compared to other characteristics. FWIW, a PFF writer did an analysis on this very issue in 2013. His conclusion: "Any way I break it down, there doesn’t seem to be any correlation between arm length and performance. "

Of course, such studies have their limits and things may have evolved some since 2013. You can see his method, charts and caveats, etc. at the link:

Does Arm Length Affect OT Play?
 
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