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RE: Boise State courting the AAC?
(12-28-2020 07:13 PM)southpaw1 Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 05:21 PM)tcountytigerfan Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 05:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  ESPN or another network will determine if a BSU addition would be an asset not the views & opinions of fans. Even AAC member admins will put their personal views of BSU (or expansion in general) aside if there is a revenue boost to conference members to expand.

I think it would have to be that (a revenue boost of significance) or if adding BSU would be key to an automatic bid for the AAC to an 8-team playoff. One can hope.

Yep. It will be a financial decision based on TV revenue.

As a fan I am all for it. Boise does bring a brand name in football. UCF/Boise, Cincy/Boise, Memphis/Boise will be a boost to ESPN ratings for AAC games.

I'm neither for or against Boise per se, but I'm very much for our university adding significant TV revenue & exposure. If & only if adding schools, adds revenue, I'm for it. In a perfect world Memphis would be playing/dominating in the SEC & calling UTK little brother but we have to forge the best alternative possible. We're likely in the AAC for the long haul, so whatever maximizes conference revenue, I'll support including adding schools like Boise. If adding schools doesn't add revenue for Memphis, it should not be supported.
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RE: Boise State courting the AAC?
Boise is one of the preeminent programs in the west. Adding them would
...boost TV sets
...generate more interest in marquee conference match ups
...help make the case for P5 inclusion for the AAC.

To me, adding them, and BYU if they’d consider it, is a given for our conference.
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RE: Boise State courting the AAC?
If this is a real thing, go ahead and get to 14. Get BSU a couple of travel partners that bring good names.

Boise State
Air Force
Colorado State

AFA and CSU bring in the Denver market, and adding all three completely guts the Mountain West.

AAC WEST
Houston
Boise State
Tulsa
Air Force
Navy (Crazy geographic fit, but they've been insistent on staying in the West. I imagine adding AFA would reinforce that.)
SMU
Colorado State

AAC EAST
Memphis
UCF
Cincinnati
South Florida
East Carolina
Tulane
Temple

Renegotiate a new TV deal and let's play some football. That's a hell of a good league.
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(12-29-2020 09:41 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Boise is one of the preeminent programs in the west. Adding them would
...boost TV sets
...generate more interest in marquee conference match ups
...help make the case for P5 inclusion for the AAC.

To me, adding them, and BYU if they’d consider it, is a given for our conference.

I've completely changed my mind based on how Cincinnati was treated this year. Last season I was in favour of adding them because I thought the same things that you are typing. Now, we all know that nothing the conference does is going to make a difference. A win against Memphis, UCF or SMU doesn't help an AAC team. It means that the team they beat, sucks.

North Carolina actually jumped up 4 spots to #8 by beating Syracuse, then jumped 3 spots to #5 by beating Virginia Tech. Two of their losses are to Florida State and Virginia, yet they are ranked #13 going into their bowl game. Any time an AAC team loses they sink like a stone, and Cincinnati gets no credit for beating anyone.

Boise won't help us; they will be competition for NY6. They are a brand, but they are a tiny fraction of the brand they were in 2007. They pissed on us twice, and I went back and looked at conversations I had with different people, and it seems as though we approached them about playing, and they wanted no part of it. Now the shoe is on the other foot. They have a vanishing brand, and they are about to make a lot less money on their tv deal.

You can also argue that the rest of the MWC has finally dragged down their brand once and for all.

San Diego State
- Ended the season ranked 1 time in the last 33 seasons
- #25 in 2016

Utah State
- Ended the season ranked 2 times in the last 58 seasons
- #18 in 2012, #21 in 2018

Air Force
- Ended the season ranked 1 time in the last 21 seasons
- #21 in 2019

San Jose State
- Ended the season ranked 2 times in the last 29 years (including this year)
- #20 currently

Unless they add money, they add nothing except a potential loss that will have the committee dropping the loser 5-10 spots in the rankings.
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(12-29-2020 10:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 09:41 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Boise is one of the preeminent programs in the west. Adding them would
...boost TV sets
...generate more interest in marquee conference match ups
...help make the case for P5 inclusion for the AAC.

To me, adding them, and BYU if they’d consider it, is a given for our conference.

I've completely changed my mind based on how Cincinnati was treated this year. Last season I was in favour of adding them because I thought the same things that you are typing. Now, we all know that nothing the conference does is going to make a difference. A win against Memphis, UCF or SMU doesn't help an AAC team. It means that the team they beat, sucks.

North Carolina actually jumped up 4 spots to #8 by beating Syracuse, then jumped 3 spots to #5 by beating Virginia Tech. Two of their losses are to Florida State and Virginia, yet they are ranked #13 going into their bowl game. Any time an AAC team loses they sink like a stone, and Cincinnati gets no credit for beating anyone.

Boise won't help us; they will be competition for NY6. They are a brand, but they are a tiny fraction of the brand they were in 2007. They pissed on us twice, and I went back and looked at conversations I had with different people, and it seems as though we approached them about playing, and they wanted no part of it. Now the shoe is on the other foot. They have a vanishing brand, and they are about to make a lot less money on their tv deal.

You can also argue that the rest of the MWC has finally dragged down their brand once and for all.

San Diego State
- Ended the season ranked 1 time in the last 33 seasons
- #25 in 2016

Utah State
- Ended the season ranked 2 times in the last 58 seasons
- #18 in 2012, #21 in 2018

Air Force
- Ended the season ranked 1 time in the last 21 seasons
- #21 in 2019

San Jose State
- Ended the season ranked 2 times in the last 29 years (including this year)
- #20 currently

Unless they add money, they add nothing except a potential loss that will have the committee dropping the loser 5-10 spots in the rankings.

I believe that's the biggest holdup - the AAC has proven that, more times than not, it will land the NY6 game. We don't need to add BSU and everything else stay put. Again, it would have to be a significant revenue boost (which I don't think it would be, not enough to move the needle anyway) or it would have to be the setup for a guaranteed spot in an 8-team playoff (perhaps, we'll see).
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The emails from the Boise AD to the AAC are now months old, with no action taken on either side.

The Boise AD who penned those emails is no longer the AD.
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(12-29-2020 06:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  The emails from the Boise AD to the AAC are now months old, with no action taken on either side.

The Boise AD who penned those emails is no longer the AD.

Maybe because he couldn't get it done......
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[quote='HornLakeTiger' pid='17190689' dateline='1609253642']
If this is a real thing, go ahead and get to 14. Get BSU a couple of travel partners that bring good names.

Boise State
Air Force
Colorado State

AFA and CSU bring in the Denver market, and adding all three completely guts the Mountain West.

AAC WEST
Houston
Boise State
Tulsa
Air Force
Navy (Crazy geographic fit, but they've been insistent on staying in the West. I imagine adding AFA would reinforce that.)
SMU
Colorado State

AAC EAST
Memphis
UCF
Cincinnati
South Florida
East Carolina
Tulane
Temple

Renegotiate a new TV deal and let's play some football. That's a hell of a good league.
[/quote

Boys down the alley dig this. Still want WVa and TCU also. This sixteen team conference is far and away better than the remainder of the bxii or the pac for that matter. TV should finally recognize the value.

Many keep wanting to leave this conference I am not one of them. I am for growing and forcing college football to face reality and stop the dominance of the talking heads. The heads always say the AAC is under rated. It is only under rated because of the heads!
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(12-29-2020 08:23 PM)Keeper Wrote:  [quote='HornLakeTiger' pid='17190689' dateline='1609253642']
If this is a real thing, go ahead and get to 14. Get BSU a couple of travel partners that bring good names.

Boise State
Air Force
Colorado State

AFA and CSU bring in the Denver market, and adding all three completely guts the Mountain West.

AAC WEST
Houston
Boise State
Tulsa
Air Force
Navy (Crazy geographic fit, but they've been insistent on staying in the West. I imagine adding AFA would reinforce that.)
SMU
Colorado State

AAC EAST
Memphis
UCF
Cincinnati
South Florida
East Carolina
Tulane
Temple

Renegotiate a new TV deal and let's play some football. That's a hell of a good league.
[/quote

Boys down the alley dig this. Still want WVa and TCU also. This sixteen team conference is far and away better than the remainder of the bxii or the pac for that matter. TV should finally recognize the value.

Many keep wanting to leave this conference I am not one of them. I am for growing and forcing college football to face reality and stop the dominance of the talking heads. The heads always say the AAC is under rated. It is only under rated because of the heads!

Horrible garbage setup. Plus Texas, SMU and Tulsa would never go for it. That's even assuming any AAC member would be insane enough to go for it. It's awful.
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(12-29-2020 09:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 08:23 PM)Keeper Wrote:  [quote='HornLakeTiger' pid='17190689' dateline='1609253642']
If this is a real thing, go ahead and get to 14. Get BSU a couple of travel partners that bring good names.

Boise State
Air Force
Colorado State

AFA and CSU bring in the Denver market, and adding all three completely guts the Mountain West.

AAC WEST
Houston
Boise State
Tulsa
Air Force
Navy (Crazy geographic fit, but they've been insistent on staying in the West. I imagine adding AFA would reinforce that.)
SMU
Colorado State

AAC EAST
Memphis
UCF
Cincinnati
South Florida
East Carolina
Tulane
Temple

Renegotiate a new TV deal and let's play some football. That's a hell of a good league.
[/quote

Boys down the alley dig this. Still want WVa and TCU also. This sixteen team conference is far and away better than the remainder of the bxii or the pac for that matter. TV should finally recognize the value.

Many keep wanting to leave this conference I am not one of them. I am for growing and forcing college football to face reality and stop the dominance of the talking heads. The heads always say the AAC is under rated. It is only under rated because of the heads!

Horrible garbage setup. Plus Texas, SMU and Tulsa would never go for it. That's even assuming any AAC member would be insane enough to go for it. It's awful.

An even better conference would be:

East - Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF, Tulane
West - SMU, Tulsa, Navy, Houston, Boise, SDSU, BYU, Wichita

In my opinion.

I don't think the Denver market is significant. Colorado University probably has that locked up pretty much anyway. BYU and Boise bring more of a national market. And SDSU has some pretty good athletic programs and would probably like to have more money and better competition. With this arrangement, Boise, BYU and SDSU could be full members but play basketball and olympic sports only in their own division or with regional opponents, and play a championship game against the other division. Of course this assumes that the new guys bring more value to the conference. If not then forget it.
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(12-29-2020 09:48 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 09:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-29-2020 08:23 PM)Keeper Wrote:  [quote='HornLakeTiger' pid='17190689' dateline='1609253642']
If this is a real thing, go ahead and get to 14. Get BSU a couple of travel partners that bring good names.

Boise State
Air Force
Colorado State

AFA and CSU bring in the Denver market, and adding all three completely guts the Mountain West.

AAC WEST
Houston
Boise State
Tulsa
Air Force
Navy (Crazy geographic fit, but they've been insistent on staying in the West. I imagine adding AFA would reinforce that.)
SMU
Colorado State

AAC EAST
Memphis
UCF
Cincinnati
South Florida
East Carolina
Tulane
Temple

Renegotiate a new TV deal and let's play some football. That's a hell of a good league.
[/quote

Boys down the alley dig this. Still want WVa and TCU also. This sixteen team conference is far and away better than the remainder of the bxii or the pac for that matter. TV should finally recognize the value.

Many keep wanting to leave this conference I am not one of them. I am for growing and forcing college football to face reality and stop the dominance of the talking heads. The heads always say the AAC is under rated. It is only under rated because of the heads!

Horrible garbage setup. Plus Texas, SMU and Tulsa would never go for it. That's even assuming any AAC member would be insane enough to go for it. It's awful.

An even better league would be:

East - Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF, Tulane
West - SMU, Tulsa, Navy, Houston, Boise, SDSU, BYU, Wichita

In my opinion.

I don't think the Denver market is significant. Colorado University probably has that locked up pretty much anyway. BYU and Boise bring more of a national market. And SDSU has some pretty good athletic programs and would probably like to have more money and better competition.

That could work with the SEC scheduling format. We’d have maybe one trip out west per year. But unless a much nicer paycheck is involved, I’m for we stand pat.
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Smustang,
Ike likes your league, glad to see BYU in the mix
Ike would add Boise and BYU, plus west va, Kansas state Kansas Iowa state and tcu
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I think the realignment ship has sailed. I don't think Texas and OU leave the Big 12 and that's pretty much what would have to happen for a big shakeup to occur. G5 teams moving around is not doing anything to move the needle. The only way the G5 gets a seat at the table is mutiny. Leave and refuse to play the P5 any longer. I just don't see a downside to that, were outside looking in and there is nothing on the horizon that's going to change unless the G5 stops being so chummy and begging for table scraps.
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(12-30-2020 08:48 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  I think the realignment ship has sailed. I don't think Texas and OU leave the Big 12 and that's pretty much what would have to happen for a big shakeup to occur. G5 teams moving around is not doing anything to move the needle. The only way the G5 gets a seat at the table is mutiny. Leave and refuse to play the P5 any longer. I just don't see a downside to that, were outside looking in and there is nothing on the horizon that's going to change unless the G5 stops being so chummy and begging for table scraps.

^^THIS^^
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(12-30-2020 08:48 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  I think the realignment ship has sailed. I don't think Texas and OU leave the Big 12 and that's pretty much what would have to happen for a big shakeup to occur. G5 teams moving around is not doing anything to move the needle. The only way the G5 gets a seat at the table is mutiny. Leave and refuse to play the P5 any longer. I just don't see a downside to that, were outside looking in and there is nothing on the horizon that's going to change unless the G5 stops being so chummy and begging for table scraps.

The Big 12 knows that it has a problem. The ACC, $EC and BIG 10 have schools in 9-11 states. All have added schools that don't seem to add value except for the fact that they add a presence in a new territory.

The Big 12 is only in 5 states and 2 of them are Kansas and West Virginia. It is showing up in their recruiting. Only Texas and Oklahoma show up in the top 25 with regularity.

At some point they will probably add us, Cincinnati and UCF. The sticking point is Houston, that every existing member doesn't want. They are a big problem politically for the Texas schools.

There is as much if not more value to adding us, Cincinnati and UCF, as there was for other conferences to add Rutgers, Maryland, Loserville, Syracuse, Pitt and TCU.
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(12-30-2020 10:42 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 08:48 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  I think the realignment ship has sailed. I don't think Texas and OU leave the Big 12 and that's pretty much what would have to happen for a big shakeup to occur. G5 teams moving around is not doing anything to move the needle. The only way the G5 gets a seat at the table is mutiny. Leave and refuse to play the P5 any longer. I just don't see a downside to that, were outside looking in and there is nothing on the horizon that's going to change unless the G5 stops being so chummy and begging for table scraps.

The Big 12 knows that it has a problem. The ACC, $EC and BIG 10 have schools in 9-11 states. All have added schools that don't seem to add value except for the fact that they add a presence in a new territory.

The Big 12 is only in 5 states and 2 of them are Kansas and West Virginia. It is showing up in their recruiting. Only Texas and Oklahoma show up in the top 25 with regularity.

At some point they will probably add us, Cincinnati and UCF. The sticking point is Houston, that every existing member doesn't want. They are a big problem politically for the Texas schools.

There is as much if not more value to adding us, Cincinnati and UCF, as there was for other conferences to add Rutgers, Maryland, Loserville, Syracuse, Pitt and TCU.

No way... this system works great for them.
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(12-30-2020 08:48 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  I think the realignment ship has sailed. I don't think Texas and OU leave the Big 12 and that's pretty much what would have to happen for a big shakeup to occur. G5 teams moving around is not doing anything to move the needle. The only way the G5 gets a seat at the table is mutiny. Leave and refuse to play the P5 any longer. I just don't see a downside to that, were outside looking in and there is nothing on the horizon that's going to change unless the G5 stops being so chummy and begging for table scraps.

The Big 12 knows that it has a problem. The ACC, $EC and BIG 10 have schools in 9-11 states. All have added schools that don't seem to add value except for the fact that they add a presence in a new territory.

The Big 12 is only in 5 states and 2 of them are Kansas and West Virginia. It is showing up in their recruiting. Only Texas and Oklahoma show up in the top 25 with regularity.

At some point they will probably add us, Cincinnati and UCF. The sticking point is Houston, that every existing member doesn't want. They are a big problem politically for the Texas schools.

There is as much if not more value to adding us, Cincinnati and UCF, as there was for other conferences to add Rutgers, Maryland, Loserville, Syracuse, Pitt and TCU.

No way... this system works great for them.

In what ways?
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(12-30-2020 10:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
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(12-30-2020 10:42 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 08:48 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  I think the realignment ship has sailed. I don't think Texas and OU leave the Big 12 and that's pretty much what would have to happen for a big shakeup to occur. G5 teams moving around is not doing anything to move the needle. The only way the G5 gets a seat at the table is mutiny. Leave and refuse to play the P5 any longer. I just don't see a downside to that, were outside looking in and there is nothing on the horizon that's going to change unless the G5 stops being so chummy and begging for table scraps.

The Big 12 knows that it has a problem. The ACC, $EC and BIG 10 have schools in 9-11 states. All have added schools that don't seem to add value except for the fact that they add a presence in a new territory.

The Big 12 is only in 5 states and 2 of them are Kansas and West Virginia. It is showing up in their recruiting. Only Texas and Oklahoma show up in the top 25 with regularity.

At some point they will probably add us, Cincinnati and UCF. The sticking point is Houston, that every existing member doesn't want. They are a big problem politically for the Texas schools.

There is as much if not more value to adding us, Cincinnati and UCF, as there was for other conferences to add Rutgers, Maryland, Loserville, Syracuse, Pitt and TCU.

No way... this system works great for them.

In what ways?

What would we have to offer? The Memphis recruiting area? The huge TV market? The stadium?

Look I’m a huge Memphis fan, but the rest of the country isn’t. We add nothing to any of these conferences...
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(12-30-2020 10:49 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 10:42 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 08:48 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  I think the realignment ship has sailed. I don't think Texas and OU leave the Big 12 and that's pretty much what would have to happen for a big shakeup to occur. G5 teams moving around is not doing anything to move the needle. The only way the G5 gets a seat at the table is mutiny. Leave and refuse to play the P5 any longer. I just don't see a downside to that, were outside looking in and there is nothing on the horizon that's going to change unless the G5 stops being so chummy and begging for table scraps.

The Big 12 knows that it has a problem. The ACC, $EC and BIG 10 have schools in 9-11 states. All have added schools that don't seem to add value except for the fact that they add a presence in a new territory.

The Big 12 is only in 5 states and 2 of them are Kansas and West Virginia. It is showing up in their recruiting. Only Texas and Oklahoma show up in the top 25 with regularity.

At some point they will probably add us, Cincinnati and UCF. The sticking point is Houston, that every existing member doesn't want. They are a big problem politically for the Texas schools.

There is as much if not more value to adding us, Cincinnati and UCF, as there was for other conferences to add Rutgers, Maryland, Loserville, Syracuse, Pitt and TCU.

No way... this system works great for them.

In what ways?

What would we have to offer? The Memphis recruiting area? The huge TV market? The stadium?

Look I’m a huge Memphis fan, but the rest of the country isn’t. We add nothing to any of these conferences...

I don't understand what you are saying. Do you think that Syracuse, Pitt, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland and Louisville add more than any of us would?
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RE: Boise State courting the AAC?
If the AAC could get Boise State football, arguably the biggest non P5 name in the country, you do it

Yes, they are far removed but fer crissake, it is Boise State. People do watch them and their name does matter. As currently constituted, the AAC has recent major bowl participants in Cincy, Memphis and UCF. Adding Boise State would be huge. Get back to West and East divisions. Do it
12-31-2020 12:33 AM
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