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Anyone know the deal here? Not with the team the last few games?
Seems to me that myself, as well of a few others concerns are sadly coming to fruition. You can shave the spots off a leopard, but the will grow back!

Coach got extremely lucky that Pridgeon became eligible. otherwise we'd be getting absolutely crushed on the boards.
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No matter what happens here, I have no problem taking a chance with a big man who was a 4 star out of high school. We offered other bigs who chose to go elsewhere. Coaches sometimes take chances with players. It doesn't always pan out. If this doesn't pan out, then we have an extra scholarship to use. It still could end up being a big score for us. I don't know since nothing is being said about him or Carr. Except that Carr had some personal issues. Steere started the season with a shoulder problem. And now coach said his issue is not team related. I can speculate he has not gotten himself in playing shape. But I really don't know.
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(12-21-2020 05:34 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  No matter what happens here, I have no problem taking a chance with a big man who was a 4 star out of high school. We offered other bigs who chose to go elsewhere. Coaches sometimes take chances with players. It doesn't always pan out. If this doesn't pan out, then we have an extra scholarship to use. It still could end up being a big score for us. I don't know since nothing is being said about him or Carr. Except that Carr had some personal issues. Steere started the season with a shoulder problem. And now coach said his issue is not team related. I can speculate he has not gotten himself in playing shape. But I really don't know.

It's just the thing though, when a guy has had issues at one spot, maybe it just wasn't the right fit. Benefit of the doubt for sure. But when you have issues at 2 spots, time to look in the mirror. And a 3rd spot, chances are really low. Like i said, he lucked out with Pridgen being eligible right away, otherwise we'd be hurting
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Every successful coach has had luck on their side at times.
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Moving the Steere talk as to not derail the game thread. This was sadly a predictable outcome. It was not smart to take a shot on a position with no depth. You take shots on positions of depth. Sometimes i don't like being right, this is one of those times. We are going to need some beef at times this season.
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(12-23-2020 01:24 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Moving the Steere talk as to not derail the game thread. This was sadly a predictable outcome. It was not smart to take a shot on a position with no depth. You take shots on positions of depth. Sometimes i don't like being right, this is one of those times. We are going to need some beef at times this season.

Who says you're right? If Steere is gone, we lost one year. Other big man targets didn't commit. So, if we had gone out and picked up just any Joe Blow big man, we're stuck with that decision for 4 years.
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(12-23-2020 01:53 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 01:24 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Moving the Steere talk as to not derail the game thread. This was sadly a predictable outcome. It was not smart to take a shot on a position with no depth. You take shots on positions of depth. Sometimes i don't like being right, this is one of those times. We are going to need some beef at times this season.

Who says you're right? If Steere is gone, we lost one year. Other big man targets didn't commit. So, if we had gone out and picked up just any Joe Blow big man, we're stuck with that decision for 4 years.
If he fails, i(and a few others here) were 1000% right. With as good as Siddle has recruited i find it hard to believe you couldn't find a Juco or transfer that could have helped with size for one, two years. Than it's a short term commitment so someone that wants to come vs a glaring flashing red flag
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It would be cool if an actual journalist reported on the situation.
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(12-23-2020 01:58 PM)70shawk Wrote:  It would be cool if an actual journalist reported on the situation.

Agree. Leaves us all speculating.
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(12-23-2020 01:55 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 01:53 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 01:24 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Moving the Steere talk as to not derail the game thread. This was sadly a predictable outcome. It was not smart to take a shot on a position with no depth. You take shots on positions of depth. Sometimes i don't like being right, this is one of those times. We are going to need some beef at times this season.

Who says you're right? If Steere is gone, we lost one year. Other big man targets didn't commit. So, if we had gone out and picked up just any Joe Blow big man, we're stuck with that decision for 4 years.
If he fails, i(and a few others here) were 1000% right. With as good as Siddle has recruited i find it hard to believe you couldn't find a Juco or transfer that could have helped with size for one, two years. Than it's a short term commitment so someone that wants to come vs a glaring flashing red flag

He offered big who thought would help this program. They went elsewhere. As it stands, I'll except coach's decisions. It's his first year and I like the direction we're going.
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Siddle recruited Steere in spite of his flags, not because he was unaware. As far as I know, Steere is a good citizen and going into last pre-season he was projected as a starter (by some) for SJU. Based on his upside, I'm fine with the gamble. It didn't work out, but it seems like a really jaded mentality to focus so heavily Steere despite the fact that we've slightly exceeded expectations.
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(12-23-2020 02:13 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Siddle recruited Steere in spite of his flags, not because he was unaware. As far as I know, Steere is a good citizen and going into last pre-season he was projected as a starter (by some) for SJU. Based on his upside, I'm fine with the gamble. It didn't work out, but it seems like a really jaded mentality to focus so heavily Steere despite the fact that we've slightly exceeded expectations.
Because lack of size hasn't bit us in the a$$ yet. Hopefully it won't but it's likely that it will. Hopefully Pridgen can continue to do what he does and rebound and help to offset it. Dodd playing more would also help tremendously. Truth of the matter, is we have beaten teams we should so far. And while that's certainly an improvement on the prior regime, let's see conference play first.
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(12-23-2020 02:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 02:13 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Siddle recruited Steere in spite of his flags, not because he was unaware. As far as I know, Steere is a good citizen and going into last pre-season he was projected as a starter (by some) for SJU. Based on his upside, I'm fine with the gamble. It didn't work out, but it seems like a really jaded mentality to focus so heavily Steere despite the fact that we've slightly exceeded expectations.
Because lack of size hasn't bit us in the a$$ yet. Hopefully it won't but it's likely that it will. Hopefully Pridgen can continue to do what he does and rebound and help to offset it. Dodd playing more would also help tremendously. Truth of the matter, is we have beaten teams we should so far. And while that's certainly an improvement on the prior regime, let's see conference play first.

You're pointing to failures of the past regime and holding Siddle accountable. With your mentality, the drum you keep banging, Siddle shouldn't have recruited Pridgen because we had an immediate need and there was no guarantee he would be eligible. We're short on bigs because of years of failure; not because Siddle took a chance on Steere.

Specifically, which big should Siddle have recruited?
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(12-23-2020 02:31 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 02:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 02:13 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Siddle recruited Steere in spite of his flags, not because he was unaware. As far as I know, Steere is a good citizen and going into last pre-season he was projected as a starter (by some) for SJU. Based on his upside, I'm fine with the gamble. It didn't work out, but it seems like a really jaded mentality to focus so heavily Steere despite the fact that we've slightly exceeded expectations.
Because lack of size hasn't bit us in the a$$ yet. Hopefully it won't but it's likely that it will. Hopefully Pridgen can continue to do what he does and rebound and help to offset it. Dodd playing more would also help tremendously. Truth of the matter, is we have beaten teams we should so far. And while that's certainly an improvement on the prior regime, let's see conference play first.

You're pointing to failures of the past regime and holding Siddle accountable. With your mentality, the drum you keep banging, Siddle shouldn't have recruited Pridgen because we had an immediate need and there was no guarantee he would be eligible. We're short on bigs because of years of failure; not because Siddle took a chance on Steere.

Specifically, which big should Siddle have recruited?
Do you really think that as good of a recruiter as he is he couldn't have found a Juco or grad transfer to help supplement size? And you are completely missing the point, Pridgen is apples to oranges. Pridgeon is at a spot where we had a ton of depth. While his rebounding has proven clutch near term, we had plenty of other options at the position. We didn't at the position they took a chance on Steere with. And let's not forget we HAD a big man, one who is doing ok elsewhere. We ran him off an gave that scolly to Steere instead. Let's just agree to disagree shall we?
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(12-23-2020 02:40 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 02:31 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 02:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 02:13 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Siddle recruited Steere in spite of his flags, not because he was unaware. As far as I know, Steere is a good citizen and going into last pre-season he was projected as a starter (by some) for SJU. Based on his upside, I'm fine with the gamble. It didn't work out, but it seems like a really jaded mentality to focus so heavily Steere despite the fact that we've slightly exceeded expectations.
Because lack of size hasn't bit us in the a$$ yet. Hopefully it won't but it's likely that it will. Hopefully Pridgen can continue to do what he does and rebound and help to offset it. Dodd playing more would also help tremendously. Truth of the matter, is we have beaten teams we should so far. And while that's certainly an improvement on the prior regime, let's see conference play first.

You're pointing to failures of the past regime and holding Siddle accountable. With your mentality, the drum you keep banging, Siddle shouldn't have recruited Pridgen because we had an immediate need and there was no guarantee he would be eligible. We're short on bigs because of years of failure; not because Siddle took a chance on Steere.

Specifically, which big should Siddle have recruited?
Do you really think that as good of a recruiter as he is he couldn't have found a Juco or grad transfer to help supplement size? And you are completely missing the point, Pridgen is apples to oranges. Pridgeon is at a spot where we had a ton of depth. While his rebounding has proven clutch near term, we had plenty of other options at the position. We didn't at the position they took a chance on Steere with. And let's not forget we HAD a big man, one who is doing ok elsewhere. We ran him off an gave that scolly to Steere instead. Let's just agree to disagree shall we?

Don't know where you're getting your information from, but "we" did not run him off. He apparently didn't think he could fit into Siddle's system, so he chose to transfer. That left us without the size we needed. We didn't have any big man offers to commit. And Steere was looking to transfer because there was a coaching change change at St. Johns.
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(12-23-2020 03:19 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 02:40 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 02:31 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 02:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 02:13 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Siddle recruited Steere in spite of his flags, not because he was unaware. As far as I know, Steere is a good citizen and going into last pre-season he was projected as a starter (by some) for SJU. Based on his upside, I'm fine with the gamble. It didn't work out, but it seems like a really jaded mentality to focus so heavily Steere despite the fact that we've slightly exceeded expectations.
Because lack of size hasn't bit us in the a$$ yet. Hopefully it won't but it's likely that it will. Hopefully Pridgen can continue to do what he does and rebound and help to offset it. Dodd playing more would also help tremendously. Truth of the matter, is we have beaten teams we should so far. And while that's certainly an improvement on the prior regime, let's see conference play first.

You're pointing to failures of the past regime and holding Siddle accountable. With your mentality, the drum you keep banging, Siddle shouldn't have recruited Pridgen because we had an immediate need and there was no guarantee he would be eligible. We're short on bigs because of years of failure; not because Siddle took a chance on Steere.

Specifically, which big should Siddle have recruited?
Do you really think that as good of a recruiter as he is he couldn't have found a Juco or grad transfer to help supplement size? And you are completely missing the point, Pridgen is apples to oranges. Pridgeon is at a spot where we had a ton of depth. While his rebounding has proven clutch near term, we had plenty of other options at the position. We didn't at the position they took a chance on Steere with. And let's not forget we HAD a big man, one who is doing ok elsewhere. We ran him off an gave that scolly to Steere instead. Let's just agree to disagree shall we?

Don't know where you're getting your information from, but "we" did not run him off. He apparently didn't think he could fit into Siddle's system, so he chose to transfer. That left us without the size we needed. We didn't have any big man offers to commit. And Steere was looking to transfer because there was a coaching change change at St. Johns.
Wouldn't it be the coaches job to make said big man aware of how he could fit? Look, I hope it works out better than Steere did and I hope size doesn't bite us.
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(12-23-2020 03:25 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 03:19 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 02:40 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 02:31 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 02:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Because lack of size hasn't bit us in the a$$ yet. Hopefully it won't but it's likely that it will. Hopefully Pridgen can continue to do what he does and rebound and help to offset it. Dodd playing more would also help tremendously. Truth of the matter, is we have beaten teams we should so far. And while that's certainly an improvement on the prior regime, let's see conference play first.

You're pointing to failures of the past regime and holding Siddle accountable. With your mentality, the drum you keep banging, Siddle shouldn't have recruited Pridgen because we had an immediate need and there was no guarantee he would be eligible. We're short on bigs because of years of failure; not because Siddle took a chance on Steere.

Specifically, which big should Siddle have recruited?
Do you really think that as good of a recruiter as he is he couldn't have found a Juco or grad transfer to help supplement size? And you are completely missing the point, Pridgen is apples to oranges. Pridgeon is at a spot where we had a ton of depth. While his rebounding has proven clutch near term, we had plenty of other options at the position. We didn't at the position they took a chance on Steere with. And let's not forget we HAD a big man, one who is doing ok elsewhere. We ran him off an gave that scolly to Steere instead. Let's just agree to disagree shall we?

Don't know where you're getting your information from, but "we" did not run him off. He apparently didn't think he could fit into Siddle's system, so he chose to transfer. That left us without the size we needed. We didn't have any big man offers to commit. And Steere was looking to transfer because there was a coaching change change at St. Johns.
Wouldn't it be the coaches job to make said big man aware of how he could fit? Look, I hope it works out better than Steere did and I hope size doesn't bite us.

FWIW, Linnsen was still on the roster when Steere signed. His scholarship coming open resulted in us going after Pridgen. He's also averaging 6 points and 2 rebounds per game this season. I don't think he'd be doing much better here in our system.
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(12-23-2020 02:40 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Do you really think that as good of a recruiter as he is he couldn't have found a Juco or grad transfer to help supplement size? And you are completely missing the point, Pridgen is apples to oranges. Pridgeon is at a spot where we had a ton of depth. While his rebounding has proven clutch near term, we had plenty of other options at the position. We didn't at the position they took a chance on Steere with. And let's not forget we HAD a big man, one who is doing ok elsewhere. We ran him off an gave that scolly to Steere instead. Let's just agree to disagree shall we?

Can you link me to evidence that Siddle ran off Marten Linssen? And no, I don't think it is fair to criticize the make up of the roster this season. Just because he is a good recruiter doesn't mean he's going to get every guy he wants. We're headed in the right direction; we have a young coach that has been on the job less than a year and we've already seen improvements in all facets of the program. Frankly, I'm not sure what more you could expect of Siddle at this point.
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You guys were all in on Siddle, and still can't admit it when he F'ed up. Clearly, he did here.

I'll let you all have it. We can revisit this thread later when size bites us, and it will.
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Covid 19 also made it hard to recruit being a new coach and getting to know the players on the team.

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