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RE: ***Official Memphis vs Tulsa Game Thread*** (12/21)
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs Tulsa Game Thread*** (12/21)
(12-22-2020 11:45 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Up 6 with 4:30 left in the game. Lost by 7. Outscored 18-5 in the last 4 1/2 minutes when Tulsa had only scored 38 the first 35 1/2 minutes. 5 points in last 4:30 and 3 of those were a meaningless 3 pointer with :03 remaining.

Absolutely awful coaching and execution down the stretch

I don't like saying that such and such a play or basket doesn't count, but that basket with 3 seconds left accounted for 50% of the points scored and 25% of the assists for BOTH Baugh and Boogie for the entire game. Before that play they had combined for 3 points and 3 assists. They ended the game with 6 points and 4 assists.

I'm pointing it out because in a sad way it's kind of funny.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs Tulsa Game Thread*** (12/21)
(12-22-2020 10:54 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 12:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-21-2020 10:21 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  It is criminal they cant figure out how to get Williams touches below the 3 point line...

The Majority of the times he touched the ball he got it outside the 3 point line.

The majority of the time ANYONE touches the ball is outside the 3 point line. And BTW, the last time Alo played against Tulsa, they beat us 80-40.)

You can stay on your ALo crusade...

But this game has shown that ALo is not the reason we have not been successful. He is as good or better than the other options. I think that should be obvious now.

On the contrary. Just pointing out that your one game analysis doesn't disprove that's Alo is lacking as a D-1 PG or the obvious that we don't have an effective PG under Penny's system (if you can call what's we do on offense a system). Further we need a season to determine if any alternatives to Alo at the point would be an improvement, given Alo has now had two years to hone his PG performance. But what is becoming sadly clear is that we don't have an effective offense. There is no off-ball movement, players touch the ball on the perimeter moving away from the basket & any offense is based strictly on the talent of the guy with the ball in his hands to have one-on-one success.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs Tulsa Game Thread*** (12/21)
(12-22-2020 01:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 10:54 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 12:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-21-2020 10:21 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  It is criminal they cant figure out how to get Williams touches below the 3 point line...

The Majority of the times he touched the ball he got it outside the 3 point line.

The majority of the time ANYONE touches the ball is outside the 3 point line. And BTW, the last time Alo played against Tulsa, they beat us 80-40.)

You can stay on your ALo crusade...

But this game has shown that ALo is not the reason we have not been successful. He is as good or better than the other options. I think that should be obvious now.

On the contrary. Just pointing out that your one game analysis doesn't disprove that's Alo is lacking as a D-1 PG or the obvious that we don't have an effective PG under Penny's system (if you can call what's we do on offense a system). Further we need a season to determine if any alternatives to Alo at the point would be an improvement, given Alo has now had two years to hone his PG performance. But what is becoming sadly clear is that we don't have an effective offense. There is no off-ball movement, players touch the ball on the perimeter moving away from the basket & any offense is based strictly on the talent of the guy with the ball in his hands to have one-on-one success.

Latest Tigers stats:

FG% 264th
FG% defense 57th
3 FG% 246th
3 FG% defense 83rd
Scoring 158th
Scoring defense 87th
turnovers 225th
assist 19th
assist/turnover ratio 135th
FT% 299th
Fouls per game 325th
Rebounds 2nd
Rebound margin 65th
Blocks 1st



Our best assist to turnover ratio guy is Lomax ranked 100, the next is Baugh ranked 209th. Out of 250 ranked.


Lomax 2.36-1 assist to turnover ratio. That is close to a Tigers school record.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs Tulsa Game Thread*** (12/21)
There were a couple things Penny said last night that just disturbed me.

1. "we are a top 5 team"... top 5 in what? the local church league? That is just straight out delusional to see this team as a top 5 team somehow.

2. The players are playing "glory ball" ok COACH, man up and put a stop to that crap.

3. The players are too busy arguing in the huddles blaming each other for the last play that they dont pay attention to the upcoming play... ok COACH, man up and put a stop to that crap.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs Tulsa Game Thread*** (12/21)
(12-22-2020 01:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 10:54 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 12:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-21-2020 10:21 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  It is criminal they cant figure out how to get Williams touches below the 3 point line...

The Majority of the times he touched the ball he got it outside the 3 point line.

The majority of the time ANYONE touches the ball is outside the 3 point line. And BTW, the last time Alo played against Tulsa, they beat us 80-40.)

You can stay on your ALo crusade...

But this game has shown that ALo is not the reason we have not been successful. He is as good or better than the other options. I think that should be obvious now.

On the contrary. Just pointing out that your one game analysis doesn't disprove that's Alo is lacking as a D-1 PG or the obvious that we don't have an effective PG under Penny's system (if you can call what's we do on offense a system). Further we need a season to determine if any alternatives to Alo at the point would be an improvement, given Alo has now had two years to hone his PG performance. But what is becoming sadly clear is that we don't have an effective offense. There is no off-ball movement, players touch the ball on the perimeter moving away from the basket & any offense is based strictly on the talent of the guy with the ball in his hands to have one-on-one success.

Exactly...It is not an ALo issue...It is a system issue. ALo actually runs this "system" better than the other guys.

The system needs to change.
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(12-22-2020 04:54 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  There were a couple things Penny said last night that just disturbed me.

1. "we are a top 5 team"... top 5 in what? the local church league? That is just straight out delusional to see this team as a top 5 team somehow.

2. The players are playing "glory ball" ok COACH, man up and put a stop to that crap.

3. The players are too busy arguing in the huddles blaming each other for the last play that they dont pay attention to the upcoming play... ok COACH, man up and put a stop to that crap.

If he cannot recognize there is a problem then he cannot fix a problem.

What disturbed me is that after Nolley hit the 3 (only his second out of 9 attempts last night) and went down the court trash-talking their bench and gets T'ed up.

Penny left him in the game.

You are not going to have discipline on a team if the players do not comprehend there are consequences for stupid moves.

How does he expect the players to respond to him and the other coaches if they get to do what ever they want without any reprecusions?
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs Tulsa Game Thread*** (12/21)
(12-22-2020 04:54 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  There were a couple things Penny said last night that just disturbed me.

1. "we are a top 5 team"... top 5 in what? the local church league? That is just straight out delusional to see this team as a top 5 team somehow.

2. The players are playing "glory ball" ok COACH, man up and put a stop to that crap.

3. The players are too busy arguing in the huddles blaming each other for the last play that they dont pay attention to the upcoming play... ok COACH, man up and put a stop to that crap.

Well, 2 out of 3 aint bad. If he can acknowledge those two things why in the hell hasn't he done something about it?? #2 has been going on since he took over.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs Tulsa Game Thread*** (12/21)
(12-22-2020 04:54 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  There were a couple things Penny said last night that just disturbed me.

1. "we are a top 5 team"... top 5 in what? the local church league? That is just straight out delusional to see this team as a top 5 team somehow.

2. The players are playing "glory ball" ok COACH, man up and put a stop to that crap.

3. The players are too busy arguing in the huddles blaming each other for the last play that they dont pay attention to the upcoming play... ok COACH, man up and put a stop to that crap.

^^THIS^^---hand clapping thingy
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(12-22-2020 06:55 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 04:54 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  There were a couple things Penny said last night that just disturbed me.

1. "we are a top 5 team"... top 5 in what? the local church league? That is just straight out delusional to see this team as a top 5 team somehow.

2. The players are playing "glory ball" ok COACH, man up and put a stop to that crap.

3. The players are too busy arguing in the huddles blaming each other for the last play that they dont pay attention to the upcoming play... ok COACH, man up and put a stop to that crap.

If he cannot recognize there is a problem then he cannot fix a problem.

What disturbed me is that after Nolley hit the 3 (only his second out of 9 attempts last night) and went down the court trash-talking their bench and gets T'ed up.

Penny left him in the game.

You are not going to have discipline on a team if the players do not comprehend there are consequences for stupid moves.

How does he expect the players to respond to him and the other coaches if they get to do what ever they want without any reprecusions?

^THIS^ hands clapping thingy
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(12-22-2020 09:07 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 04:54 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  There were a couple things Penny said last night that just disturbed me.

1. "we are a top 5 team"... top 5 in what? the local church league? That is just straight out delusional to see this team as a top 5 team somehow.

2. The players are playing "glory ball" ok COACH, man up and put a stop to that crap.

3. The players are too busy arguing in the huddles blaming each other for the last play that they dont pay attention to the upcoming play... ok COACH, man up and put a stop to that crap.

Well, 2 out of 3 aint bad. If he can acknowledge those two things why in the hell hasn't he done something about it?? #2 has been going on since he took over.

^^^THIS^^^ hand clapping thingy
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(12-22-2020 05:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 01:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 10:54 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 12:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-21-2020 10:21 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  It is criminal they cant figure out how to get Williams touches below the 3 point line...

The Majority of the times he touched the ball he got it outside the 3 point line.

The majority of the time ANYONE touches the ball is outside the 3 point line. And BTW, the last time Alo played against Tulsa, they beat us 80-40.)

You can stay on your ALo crusade...

But this game has shown that ALo is not the reason we have not been successful. He is as good or better than the other options. I think that should be obvious now.

On the contrary. Just pointing out that your one game analysis doesn't disprove that's Alo is lacking as a D-1 PG or the obvious that we don't have an effective PG under Penny's system (if you can call what's we do on offense a system). Further we need a season to determine if any alternatives to Alo at the point would be an improvement, given Alo has now had two years to hone his PG performance. But what is becoming sadly clear is that we don't have an effective offense. There is no off-ball movement, players touch the ball on the perimeter moving away from the basket & any offense is based strictly on the talent of the guy with the ball in his hands to have one-on-one success.

Exactly...It is not an ALo issue...It is a system issue. ALo actually runs this "system" better than the other guys.

The system needs to change.

Actually it is an Alo issue in that he's now in his 3rd year proving he's not up to the task yet Penny continues to give him the major minutes at PG. No one else on the roster has been given even half the opportunity. So maybe that's on Penny too.
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(12-23-2020 02:02 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 05:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 01:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 10:54 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 12:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  The majority of the time ANYONE touches the ball is outside the 3 point line. And BTW, the last time Alo played against Tulsa, they beat us 80-40.)

You can stay on your ALo crusade...

But this game has shown that ALo is not the reason we have not been successful. He is as good or better than the other options. I think that should be obvious now.

On the contrary. Just pointing out that your one game analysis doesn't disprove that's Alo is lacking as a D-1 PG or the obvious that we don't have an effective PG under Penny's system (if you can call what's we do on offense a system). Further we need a season to determine if any alternatives to Alo at the point would be an improvement, given Alo has now had two years to hone his PG performance. But what is becoming sadly clear is that we don't have an effective offense. There is no off-ball movement, players touch the ball on the perimeter moving away from the basket & any offense is based strictly on the talent of the guy with the ball in his hands to have one-on-one success.

Exactly...It is not an ALo issue...It is a system issue. ALo actually runs this "system" better than the other guys.

The system needs to change.

Actually it is an Alo issue in that he's now in his 3rd year proving he's not up to the task yet Penny continues to give him the major minutes at PG. No one else on the roster has been given even half the opportunity. So maybe that's on Penny too.

Why do people keep saying this? Lomax is playing 21 minutes per game; Baugh and Boogie have had plenty of opportunities to excel at the point. They both have the ball at the perimeter and either of them can start the offense when they are in the game. They have both had ample time and neither has the skill set needed.

It's not a coincidence that Tulsa was such a disaster. That doesn't mean that Lomax would have for sure done a better job; but when you have 3 not great point guards, you need all 3 to be available, so you can play the one that is playing the best/least not as good.

Boogie and Baugh combined for 6 points and 4 assists in 42 minutes; AND that includes Boogie's 3 with 3 seconds left assisted by Baugh. I'm sure Lomax could have done better than 3 points and 3 assists in 39 minutes and 57 seconds of game time.
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