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(12-21-2020 05:25 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  
(12-21-2020 04:52 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(12-21-2020 04:23 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Seriously, after the conference Champions Ohio State, Clemson and Alabama, there really isn't a 4th. This seems to happen as many times as we have have 5 or 6 worthy.

Cincinnati is a fine G5 school, but I'm far from convinced they'd be any better than 5-5 with an SEC schedule. San Jose State, Cincinnati, Coastal Carolina, Liberty, BYU and Louisiana have had good seasons. But does anyone think they'd have those records in a P5 conference?

That is the true competitiveness question. But a bigger one is the TV audience. Notre Dame was picked ahead of Texas A&M and Indiana for one simple reason, they help with TV ratings. This is after all the entertainment industry, and the pay and benefits are related to your ability to sell tickets, or as they say, Star power. Fairness is paying money to those that sell the tickets. Want G5 schools in the dance, then open your wallet and start tripling your donations, then convince your best ten thousands friends to do the same.

Your hypothetical simply "puts" UC football in the SEC this year to sink or swim — thus driving your thinking the Bearcats would have perhaps gone only 5-5 in the SEC this season (and perhaps so, I admit). Conversely, and hypothetically, had Cincinnati been a member of the SEC for the past, say, four years — giving Luke Fickell a chance to "recruit up" — who knows?

There are some G5 programs that, if members of P5 leagues and given time, could actually do fairly well. I feel (and I'm biased) UC is one of those G5 programs.

Also worth noting, there is no such thing as a "G5 school." Specifically, there are universities whose athletic programs are members of G5 leagues. I don't feel you used this term purposely to antagonize (it's easy to simply type "G5 school" and I've likely done so myself). But as a fan of programs in the American, the Big East, Conference USA and three P5 leagues, I try to be specific.

Agree with this completely, I love how nearly every poster that argues this position goes with the old "Well, how would they do with an SEC schedule?" as if their record in Year 1 of inclusion in the most competitive conference is the defining characteristic of P5 schools. Well, I would say that there is at least one entire P5 conference (PAC 12) and possibly a second one (Big 12) that I'm not entirely sure that there is one school in either entire conference that would be better than 5-5 in the SEC. And the vast majority of the other two are in the same boat.

Also, it's always an evaluation of this years team, which is a team on a G5 budget with the FBS glass ceiling. This is important because P5 money would mean increased recruiting, facilities, coaches (once a G5 team coach succeeds he leaves more money nearly every time), exposure, etc. that would even the playing field. There are a number of G5's that given the opportunity would excel.


Well put. And I feel UCF is one of the programs that would do well in a power league if given the chance to build its programs in such a conference. Lots of resources and potential in Orlando.

I'm a huge Vandy fan. I would like to think I understand this topic.
12-21-2020 06:17 PM
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(12-21-2020 11:08 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
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(12-21-2020 08:52 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  Go to 8 team playoff acc champ, sec,big 10,big 12,pac12 2 wildcards and top g5. That would be Clemson Alabama Oregon Oklahoma Ohio state texas A&M Notre dame and Cincinnati. Make g5 relevant again in theory and texas a and m not in there is a joke. P5 would still have all the power but it would make g5 seasons worth something. Thoughts?

Then it would be in the best interest of the bottom half of each P5 to join a G5, dominate, and earn playoff spot.

I there isn't one team in the P5 that would trade between $25M to $60M a year for the chance to MAYBE claim the G5 playoff spot.

Yup nobody is giving up P5 money to get a maybe playoff spot
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(12-21-2020 06:24 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(12-21-2020 11:08 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
(12-21-2020 09:40 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(12-21-2020 08:52 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  Go to 8 team playoff acc champ, sec,big 10,big 12,pac12 2 wildcards and top g5. That would be Clemson Alabama Oregon Oklahoma Ohio state texas A&M Notre dame and Cincinnati. Make g5 relevant again in theory and texas a and m not in there is a joke. P5 would still have all the power but it would make g5 seasons worth something. Thoughts?

Then it would be in the best interest of the bottom half of each P5 to join a G5, dominate, and earn playoff spot.

I there isn't one team in the P5 that would trade between $25M to $60M a year for the chance to MAYBE claim the G5 playoff spot.

Yup nobody is giving up P5 money to get a maybe playoff spot


As a Vanderbilt fan, I strongly agree, T-Mark.
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If teams were generally interested in dropping down a level to be more competitive then you'd see a fair amount of G5 teams go to FCS or FCS to DII, but you don't. The reduced exposure and cash from such a move would quickly erode most temporary advantages, and that goes for P5 schools that'd even think about moving down a conference (if not more).
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(12-21-2020 08:52 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  Go to 8 team playoff acc champ, sec,big 10,big 12,pac12 2 wildcards and top g5. That would be Clemson Alabama Oregon Oklahoma Ohio state texas A&M Notre dame and Cincinnati. Make g5 relevant again in theory and texas a and m not in there is a joke. P5 would still have all the power but it would make g5 seasons worth something. Thoughts?

So, 4 SEC schools?

#1 Bama #8 Cincy
#2 Clemson #7 Florida
#3 tOSU #6 Georgia
#4 ND #5 Texas A&M

It's the SEC invitational tournament.
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(12-22-2020 12:07 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(12-21-2020 08:52 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  Go to 8 team playoff acc champ, sec,big 10,big 12,pac12 2 wildcards and top g5. That would be Clemson Alabama Oregon Oklahoma Ohio state texas A&M Notre dame and Cincinnati. Make g5 relevant again in theory and texas a and m not in there is a joke. P5 would still have all the power but it would make g5 seasons worth something. Thoughts?

So, 4 SEC schools?

#1 Bama #8 Cincy
#2 Clemson #7 Florida
#3 tOSU #6 Georgia
#4 ND #5 Texas A&M

It's the SEC invitational tournament.

Read the whole thing
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(12-22-2020 12:33 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  
(12-22-2020 12:07 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(12-21-2020 08:52 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  Go to 8 team playoff acc champ, sec,big 10,big 12,pac12 2 wildcards and top g5. That would be Clemson Alabama Oregon Oklahoma Ohio state texas A&M Notre dame and Cincinnati. Make g5 relevant again in theory and texas a and m not in there is a joke. P5 would still have all the power but it would make g5 seasons worth something. Thoughts?

So, 4 SEC schools?

#1 Bama #8 Cincy
#2 Clemson #7 Florida
#3 tOSU #6 Georgia
#4 ND #5 Texas A&M

It's the SEC invitational tournament.

Read the whole thing
So....
#1 Alabama #8 Cincy
#2 Clemson #7 Oregon
#3 tOSU #6 Oklahoma
#4 ND #5 Texas A&M

I think the G5 will eventually get guaranteed access to the Playoff but not until the current contract is up. Now that ESPN's commentators are openly saying in there broadcasts that the G5 has no chance at the CPF because the deck is stacked against them, change will come. It used to just be that people like the more negative posters on this board said the G5 had no chance; now everyone is saying it. The political pressure will mount until there is some type of G5 CFP access.

I'd say in 2025, the P5 consolidates to the P4 and the CFP expands to 6. One spot for each P4 CCG winner, 1 at large, and 1 spot for the highest ranked G5 CCG winner. That way the CCG's become the de-facto opening round games of the playoff but controlled by the conferences.
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(12-21-2020 04:45 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(12-21-2020 04:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-21-2020 04:23 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Seriously, after the conference Champions Ohio State, Clemson and Alabama, there really isn't a 4th. This seems to happen as many times as we have have 5 or 6 worthy.

Yes, if anything, this year supports the notion of going back to a 2-team BCS type situation. At most there are three teams worthy of playing for the title and Ohio State is iffy.

IIRC, in NONE of the six years of the CFP have both semi-final games been competitive. At least one, and sometimes both, have been routs.

This does not bespeak the need for an 8-team playoff.

And yet, there are 5 undefeated teams this year....


But some of that is directly related to the unbalanced schedule.

Cincy - nice season - but you are still not one of the best 4 teams in the country - and neither is ND....
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