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AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
It's sickening and it's un-American. This thing needs to be broken up. Further, the AAC is not like the rest of the G4. Too much history, success & fanbase to be grouped in. Maybe we shouldn't have sold the Big East name after all. Just keep grinding & never give in.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
I dont think anyone believes the AAC would ever agree to such a moronic idea. Aresco has been very vocal about the fact the AAC has no interest in a G5 "playoff". Tha AAC just needs to keep marching forward. I believe public demand for an expanded playoff that includes a guaranteed slot for the top G5 champ is becoming more and more likely when the CFP deal expires.

I know with the season going on, there was a lot of focus on games and Covid. But lost in all this crazy Covid season----there are big things happening in key court cases , in state legislatures, and at the congressional level that could drastically change the way college players are compensated. One proposed law in Congress would require that 50% of school athletic department revenue (minus the cost athletic scholarships) must go to the players. The Alston case is before the Supreme Court, which could result in the removal of all current caps on FCOA and education related compensation. New NIL legislation is also proposed. The point is--after a year in which college athletic department revenue plummeted due to Covid---most college athletic departments of are not in any shape to handle new, possibly substantial, players costs. These same athletic departments will be desperate for more revenue---and an immediate expansion of the CFP represents an easy place to find some new revenue sources---so dont be surprised if CFP expansion happens sooner rather than later.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
Yeah, I don’t think the American could ever agree with that. I know that our champion is being cheated out of a spot due to P5 bias, but the fact that our champion is the automatic front-runner for the New Years Day bowl is due to AAC bias. We’re building and building. A G5 playoff would kill that.
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Yep
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-20-2020 03:35 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Yeah, I don’t think the American could ever agree with that. I know that our champion is being cheated out of a spot due to P5 bias, but the fact that our champion is the automatic front-runner for the New Years Day bowl is due to AAC bias. We’re building and building. A G5 playoff would kill that.

^This x10. I know some harp on Aresco’s salary, but his beating the drum has changed perception enough to result in millions more $ per year than otherwise may/would have been with a less vocal commish.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
i don’t think it’s the A5 that wants this, far from it, it’s espn that is showing some signs of wanting it by having some of their talking heads talking about it recently and in the past too
why would espn want this ?
i ve been thinking they want two leagues to compete against each other in an expanded playoffs or the fact that the G5 has huge growth potential... mybe
question i have is how much money would espn have to pony up to get the AAC to do it?
the other G conferences would sellout for less
does the AAC have a price if tv exposure was the same as the A5
mybe the pac12 moves over to the G Conferences to make things more legit but mostly to pacify the A conferences because they sure as heck don’t want it but they also prefer to be an A4 lesgue
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-20-2020 04:08 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  i don’t think it’s the A5 that wants this, far from it, it’s espn that is showing some signs of wanting it by having some of their talking heads talking about it recently and in the past too
why would espn want this ?
i ve been thinking they want two leagues to compete against each other in an expanded playoffs or the fact that the G5 has huge growth potential... mybe
question i have is how much money would espn have to pony up to get the AAC to do it?
the other G conferences would sellout for less
does the AAC have a price if tv exposure was the same as the A5
mybe the pac12 moves over to the G Conferences to make things more legit

CFP currently distributes $91 million per year to the five non-contract-bowl conferences.
AAC gets $25million in a "normal" year where we are the NY6 bid and the #1 performer.
I would want double that for the inherent risk of playing in FCS-Platinum
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-20-2020 04:08 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  i don’t think it’s the A5 that wants this, far from it, it’s espn that is showing some signs of wanting it by having some of their talking heads talking about it recently and in the past too
why would espn want this ?
i ve been thinking they want two leagues to compete against each other in an expanded playoffs or the fact that the G5 has huge growth potential... mybe
question i have is how much money would espn have to pony up to get the AAC to do it?
the other G conferences would sellout for less
does the AAC have a price if tv exposure was the same as the A5
mybe the pac12 moves over to the G Conferences to make things more legit

There is a price---its $460 million---the same as the CFP. If ESPN pays that, then the G5 CFP is legitimized as being equal to the current CFP....and even then, Im still not sure its not a mistake in the long run. If we take a dollar less, then its tacit admission by all parties involved that its not the top level of football. That said, lets get real world. If there was really a huge audience and substantial value to G5 champ vs G5 champ face offs---we would have already seen a major bowl pay substantial dollars to create such a bowl. I havent seen that---despite the fact that in 2016, when a very attractive G5 NON-champ played a MW champ (SDSU) in the Las Vegas Bowl, they drew a TV audience of over 3.1 million. So...clearly such match ups can attract a substantial audience and likley deserve a much larger stage than they currently are available.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
Why on earth would we agree to do that when we're still qualifying for the NY6 bid most years? Since the 2014 inception of this format, the AAC has now appeared in 5 of 7 [Houston, UCF x2, Memphis, Cincinnati] and the last four NY6 bowls in a row. That is good for recognition, branding, recruiting and bowl money for our league. There is a rising consensus of expanding the CFP format because of the invitational farce that it is and for the high level of play of the teams in our league. Breaking off to do our own thing only keeps us from any potential future expansion and helps the power teams with less mouths to feed. That is no bueno, pas bien, nicht gut, no good.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-20-2020 04:14 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:08 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  i don’t think it’s the A5 that wants this, far from it, it’s espn that is showing some signs of wanting it by having some of their talking heads talking about it recently and in the past too
why would espn want this ?
i ve been thinking they want two leagues to compete against each other in an expanded playoffs or the fact that the G5 has huge growth potential... mybe
question i have is how much money would espn have to pony up to get the AAC to do it?
the other G conferences would sellout for less
does the AAC have a price if tv exposure was the same as the A5
mybe the pac12 moves over to the G Conferences to make things more legit

CFP currently distributes $91 million per year to the five non-contract-bowl conferences.
AAC gets $25million in a "normal" year where we are the NY6 bid and the #1 performer.
I would want double that for the inherent risk of playing in FCS-Platinum
i would never take any deal if it meant adding up to an FCS platform
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-20-2020 04:25 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:14 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:08 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  i don’t think it’s the A5 that wants this, far from it, it’s espn that is showing some signs of wanting it by having some of their talking heads talking about it recently and in the past too
why would espn want this ?
i ve been thinking they want two leagues to compete against each other in an expanded playoffs or the fact that the G5 has huge growth potential... mybe
question i have is how much money would espn have to pony up to get the AAC to do it?
the other G conferences would sellout for less
does the AAC have a price if tv exposure was the same as the A5
mybe the pac12 moves over to the G Conferences to make things more legit

CFP currently distributes $91 million per year to the five non-contract-bowl conferences.
AAC gets $25million in a "normal" year where we are the NY6 bid and the #1 performer.
I would want double that for the inherent risk of playing in FCS-Platinum
i would never take any deal if it meant adding up to an FCS platform

It's mind-boggling to me that people can think "Let's start a playoff one-level down from the SEC, ACC, Big10, Big12, and Pac12" and at the same time think "Self-selecting as second rate would be NOTHING like the current FCS."

I don't know how much more to simplify it.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-20-2020 04:29 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:25 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:14 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:08 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  i don’t think it’s the A5 that wants this, far from it, it’s espn that is showing some signs of wanting it by having some of their talking heads talking about it recently and in the past too
why would espn want this ?
i ve been thinking they want two leagues to compete against each other in an expanded playoffs or the fact that the G5 has huge growth potential... mybe
question i have is how much money would espn have to pony up to get the AAC to do it?
the other G conferences would sellout for less
does the AAC have a price if tv exposure was the same as the A5
mybe the pac12 moves over to the G Conferences to make things more legit

CFP currently distributes $91 million per year to the five non-contract-bowl conferences.
AAC gets $25million in a "normal" year where we are the NY6 bid and the #1 performer.
I would want double that for the inherent risk of playing in FCS-Platinum
i would never take any deal if it meant adding up to an FCS platform

It's mind-boggling to me that people can think "Let's start a playoff one-level down from the SEC, ACC, Big10, Big12, and Pac12" and at the same time think "Self-selecting as second rate would be NOTHING like the current FCS."

I don't know how much more to simplify it.
simply put the AFL was started from scratch and lasted five years untill it became the second NFL league that ended in a super bowl to decide the champion
besides i don’t need all these negative waves this early in the morning
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-20-2020 04:41 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:29 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:25 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:14 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:08 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  i don’t think it’s the A5 that wants this, far from it, it’s espn that is showing some signs of wanting it by having some of their talking heads talking about it recently and in the past too
why would espn want this ?
i ve been thinking they want two leagues to compete against each other in an expanded playoffs or the fact that the G5 has huge growth potential... mybe
question i have is how much money would espn have to pony up to get the AAC to do it?
the other G conferences would sellout for less
does the AAC have a price if tv exposure was the same as the A5
mybe the pac12 moves over to the G Conferences to make things more legit

CFP currently distributes $91 million per year to the five non-contract-bowl conferences.
AAC gets $25million in a "normal" year where we are the NY6 bid and the #1 performer.
I would want double that for the inherent risk of playing in FCS-Platinum
i would never take any deal if it meant adding up to an FCS platform

It's mind-boggling to me that people can think "Let's start a playoff one-level down from the SEC, ACC, Big10, Big12, and Pac12" and at the same time think "Self-selecting as second rate would be NOTHING like the current FCS."

I don't know how much more to simplify it.
simply put the AFL was started from scratch and lasted five years untill it became the second NFL league that ended in a super bowl to decide the champion
besides i don’t need all these negative waves this early in the morning
This early in the morning?
You in Hawaii or Samoa, Moriarty?
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
lol ism in central time zone, i was quoting a movie...
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(12-20-2020 05:00 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  lol ism in central time zone, i was quoting a movie...

lol...Oddball from Kelley's Heroes.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-20-2020 04:55 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:41 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:29 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:25 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 04:14 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  CFP currently distributes $91 million per year to the five non-contract-bowl conferences.
AAC gets $25million in a "normal" year where we are the NY6 bid and the #1 performer.
I would want double that for the inherent risk of playing in FCS-Platinum
i would never take any deal if it meant adding up to an FCS platform

It's mind-boggling to me that people can think "Let's start a playoff one-level down from the SEC, ACC, Big10, Big12, and Pac12" and at the same time think "Self-selecting as second rate would be NOTHING like the current FCS."

I don't know how much more to simplify it.
simply put the AFL was started from scratch and lasted five years untill it became the second NFL league that ended in a super bowl to decide the champion
besides i don’t need all these negative waves this early in the morning
This early in the morning?
You in Hawaii or Samoa, Moriarty?
i was thinking you are Moriarty...
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(12-20-2020 05:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 05:00 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  lol ism in central time zone, i was quoting a movie...

lol...Oddball from Kelley's Heroes.

Yeah, which I got, hence the "Moriarty" response
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A G4 playoff plus the AAC in it is NEVER gonna happen 05-nono NEVER
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
Finebaum was asked on the show about the Committee treatment of Cincy and Coastal. This was his response.

The committee is essentially saying--in spite of everything that we say to you---in spite of all the great language and flowery words---"We dont really care about the Group of Five. We dont really care about you at all." I think that message was lout and clear. I think its interesting, I dont know if there was any "get back"---Mike Aresco, the Commissioner of the AAC, said earlier in the week said that the Committee is doing such a poor job we might as well go back to the BCS. I have the feeling Aresco's comments stung that committee and, Im not saying there was retribution--I think that would be really inappropriate for me to make that accusation---but I think those things do factor in. And I think in the end they were basically saying "If you want to play for a national championship Coastal or Cincy--start your own tournament, but your not getting into ours."
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(12-20-2020 07:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Finebaum was asked on the show about the Committee treatment of Cincy and Coastal. This was his response.

The committee is essentially saying--in spite of everything that we say to you---in spite of all the great language and flowery words---"We dont really care about the Group of Five. We dont really care about you at all." I think that message was lout and clear. I think its interesting, I dont know if there was any "get back"---Mike Aresco, the Commissioner of the AAC, said earlier in the week said that the Committee is doing such a poor job we might as well go back to the BCS. I have the feeling Aresco's comments stung that committee and, Im not saying there was retribution--I think that would be really inappropriate for me to make that accusation---but I think those things do factor in. And I think in the end they were basically saying "If you want to play for a national championship Coastal or Cincy--start your own tournament, but your not getting into ours."

F'en A for Finebaum!
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