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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
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(12-23-2020 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 12:07 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Your terms but Massey Composite, deal. Human polls with all their human failings, no deal.

We'll just have to pass on this one then, IMO the MC is just too wacked to rely on this year. Human polls do have all sorts of biases - Dabo ranking Ohio State #11 the other day - but I trust them more than the computers this year.

All right - I know there is a gulf between our positions on that point.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
The problem for the AAC is there only one conference out of 10 that want more than just the money. SBC, CUSA, MAC and MWC will likely agree to whatever is thrown their way in money. As much as they say, conference champ, the P5 will want to stay with the top 8. I am just being realistic, not what is fair. AAC needs to get a major bowl tie-in on NY6 and that would cost around 70-80 million split between the AAC and whatever conference gets tied in. Likely ACC/B12/ND like the Orange bowl. P5 always have the breakaway card, the question is someone willing to call it. Again, not saying this is right, just how difficult a spot they are in. Do I think the AAC deserves better treatment, YES. Do I think it will happen with the next CFP, no.
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(12-23-2020 11:32 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The problem for the AAC is there only one conference out of 10 that want more than just the money. SBC, CUSA, MAC and MWC will likely agree to whatever is thrown their way in money. As much as they say, conference champ, the P5 will want to stay with the top 8.

I agree this is likely to happen as well, I do not expect an 8-team playoff to include an auto-bid for the G5.

That's because of the politics of it not money. E.g, had there been a 8-team playoff the past six years with an auto-bid for the G5, then UCF would have two playoff appearances compared to one for Florida, zero for FSU and zero for Miami. Do you really think those Power schools want to see a little brother like UCF dramatically raise their profile like that? To be be able to recruit throughout Florida saying "we make the playoffs, they don't"? It would be perceived as kind of an easy-lane for the playoffs for G5, usually AAC, teams.

Memphis would have more playoff appearances than Tennessee. Western Michigan would have more playoff appearances than Michigan. Houston would have more playoff appearances than Texas. Is that going to sit well?

So I don't see that. But maybe I am wrong.

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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-23-2020 11:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 11:32 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The problem for the AAC is there only one conference out of 10 that want more than just the money. SBC, CUSA, MAC and MWC will likely agree to whatever is thrown their way in money. As much as they say, conference champ, the P5 will want to stay with the top 8.

I agree this is likely to happen as well, I do not expect an 8-team playoff to include an auto-bid for the G5.

That's because of the politics of it not money. E.g, had there been a 8-team playoff the past six years with an auto-bid for the G5, then UCF would have two playoff appearances compared to one for Florida, zero for FSU and zero for Miami. Do you really think those Power schools want to see a little brother like UCF dramatically raise their profile like that? To be be able to recruit throughout Florida saying "we make the playoffs, they don't"?

Memphis would have more playoff appearances than Tennessee. Western Michigan would have more playoff appearances than Michigan.

So I don't see that. But maybe I am wrong.

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I think the G5 access is a done deal. The public pressure is already ramping up and the negotiation is years away. That pressure will only build from here. The CFP knows it has an undeniable G5 access problem. Tack on that the Pac12 and Big-12 is sick of being left out---the public now views the Selection Committee as a worse "black box" arbitor of rankings than the BCS ever was. I suspect an 8 team expansion that GUARANTEES all P5 champs are in every year is a done deal. The G5 tack on slot is pretty much a done deal too. This relegates the black box Selection Committee to just being responsible for putting out rankings, determining the seeding of the bracket, filling the 2 wild card slots, and selecting the top G5 champ. Im fine with that. As long as most of the bracket is automatically filled with teams that simply won their way in via the traditional easily understood conference championship path---the black box aspect of the CFP becomes less of an issue.

Its not perfect---but the 5-1-2 CFP will make the conference races really mean something again. The 5-1-2 also means half of FBS is no longer eliminated from contention before the first snap of the season. Most importantly---it means every geographic portion of the nation has a rooting interest and is therefor, fans everywhere are much more invested in the playoff (which is the real secret to the NCAA Tournament's massive success).
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(12-23-2020 11:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I suspect an 8 team expansion that GUARANTEES all P5 champs are in every year is a done deal. The G5 tack on slot is pretty much a done deal too.

By "G5 tack on slot," could it be possible for the top independent team to earn that slot, or would they have to compete for one of the two "wild card" slots in a 5-1-2 system?

If the only way for an independent to qualify would be to get in as a "wild card" team, that would give BYU and the others a much more compelling reason to join a G5 conference, no?

If so, and if the 8 team CFP and a if G5 tack on slot is "pretty much a done deal," then its approval by the NCAA might be enough to persuade the BYU to join the MWC or the AAC.

*An AQ spot for the G5 would also give the G5 conferences a slight boost in status.
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(12-23-2020 11:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 11:32 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The problem for the AAC is there only one conference out of 10 that want more than just the money. SBC, CUSA, MAC and MWC will likely agree to whatever is thrown their way in money. As much as they say, conference champ, the P5 will want to stay with the top 8.

I agree this is likely to happen as well, I do not expect an 8-team playoff to include an auto-bid for the G5.

That's because of the politics of it not money. E.g, had there been a 8-team playoff the past six years with an auto-bid for the G5, then UCF would have two playoff appearances compared to one for Florida, zero for FSU and zero for Miami. Do you really think those Power schools want to see a little brother like UCF dramatically raise their profile like that? To be be able to recruit throughout Florida saying "we make the playoffs, they don't"? It would be perceived as kind of an easy-lane for the playoffs for G5, usually AAC, teams.

Memphis would have more playoff appearances than Tennessee. Western Michigan would have more playoff appearances than Michigan. Houston would have more playoff appearances than Texas. Is that going to sit well?

So I don't see that. But maybe I am wrong.

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Understand but I'm certain those P-5 schools wouldn't give up their TV money to improve their CFP chances. So they are still not deprived just not good enough within their own leagues.
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(12-24-2020 06:45 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 11:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I suspect an 8 team expansion that GUARANTEES all P5 champs are in every year is a done deal. The G5 tack on slot is pretty much a done deal too.

By "G5 tack on slot," could it be possible for the top independent team to earn that slot, or would they have to compete for one of the two "wild card" slots in a 5-1-2 system?

If the only way for an independent to qualify would be to get in as a "wild card" team, that would give BYU and the others a much more compelling reason to join a G5 conference, no?

If so, and if the 8 team CFP and a if G5 tack on slot is "pretty much a done deal," then its approval by the NCAA might be enough to persuade the BYU to join the MWC or the AAC.

*An AQ spot for the G5 would also give the G5 conferences a slight boost in status.

Nope. The top G5 CHAMP is in. Indy access is via a wildcard. Remember, Notre Dame has a conference contract bowl deal via the ACC--so there are 11 conferences voting on CFP matters + Notre Dame. The Indys have zero pull in the CFP process beyond Notre Dame---and Notre Dame is protected from being frozen out by their ACC deal (plus ND knows they are "in" for a virtual automatic wild card slot if they are anywhere close to deserving because brand will still matters above all else when it comes to Committee Selected lots---that just how the Selection Committee rolls).
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(12-23-2020 11:32 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The problem for the AAC is there only one conference out of 10 that want more than just the money. SBC, CUSA, MAC and MWC will likely agree to whatever is thrown their way in money. As much as they say, conference champ, the P5 will want to stay with the top 8. I am just being realistic, not what is fair. AAC needs to get a major bowl tie-in on NY6 and that would cost around 70-80 million split between the AAC and whatever conference gets tied in. Likely ACC/B12/ND like the Orange bowl. P5 always have the breakaway card, the question is someone willing to call it. Again, not saying this is right, just how difficult a spot they are in. Do I think the AAC deserves better treatment, YES. Do I think it will happen with the next CFP, no.

Well---first off--I suspect the money split will be largely unchanged. Frankly, the P5 getting substantially more than the G5 reasonably reflects the economic realities of the situation. I suspect the G5 knows this and that is why their primary push will be for a realistic and well defined legitimate path into the playoff. As far as them not getting that guaranteed access---dont be so sure.

The Big 10 champ sat at home one year when the team that didnt win the Big10 was sent to the playoff by the Committee. The P5 teams that arent Alabama or Clemson or Texas or Ohio St are realizing that brand matters. They realize the Committee thinks about them the way they think about the G5. So--its very likely a majority of each P5 conference will like the idea of the P5 champs being guranteed a slot in the plauoff so the "non-brands" of the P5 KNOW they wont get screwed in that "special" year when they win the conference.

Finally, I think the P5 will give the G5 a guaranteed slot for two more reasons---to tamp down rising public backlash against the exclusion (Americans have a strong sense of fair play and the CFP is failing miserably at "fair play" in the court of public opinion). Furthermore, interest is fading in the playoff (the ESPN selection show ratings have dropped every year and now are around half of what they started at). You cant exclude 50% of the fan bases before the first snap of the season and expect them to continue to be invested in faithfully watching your playoff and its surrounding events. There are only so many Alabama and Clemson fans. There is a smart economic component to re-engaging with the G5. The G5 is a relatively lightly mined portion of the college viewing audience. Those G5 programs are not yet fully developed and have far more growth potential (in terms of cumulative fan numbers) at this point compared to the more developed and mature programs you'll find in the P5. Thus, most of the potential future growth for expanding the college football TV audience lies in the G5.

Honestly---I think the economics of expanding the CFP and giving real access to the top G5 team just makes too much sense to ignore. I think the 5-1-2 plan will end up sailing though. The bigger battles will be about whether to host that first round of games on campus (which I think is smart) or using the bowl system.
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(12-24-2020 02:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 11:32 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The problem for the AAC is there only one conference out of 10 that want more than just the money. SBC, CUSA, MAC and MWC will likely agree to whatever is thrown their way in money. As much as they say, conference champ, the P5 will want to stay with the top 8. I am just being realistic, not what is fair. AAC needs to get a major bowl tie-in on NY6 and that would cost around 70-80 million split between the AAC and whatever conference gets tied in. Likely ACC/B12/ND like the Orange bowl. P5 always have the breakaway card, the question is someone willing to call it. Again, not saying this is right, just how difficult a spot they are in. Do I think the AAC deserves better treatment, YES. Do I think it will happen with the next CFP, no.

Well---first off--I suspect the money split will be largely unchanged. Frankly, the P5 getting substantially more than the G5 reasonably reflects the economic realities of the situation. I suspect the G5 knows this and that is why their primary push will be for a realistic and well defined legitimate path into the playoff. As far as them not getting that guaranteed access---dont be so sure.

The Big 10 champ sat at home one year when the team that didnt win the Big10 was sent to the playoff by the Committee. The P5 teams that arent Alabama or Clemson or Texas or Ohio St are realizing that brand matters. They realize the Committee thinks about them the way they think about the G5. So--its very likely a majority of each P5 conference will like the idea of the P5 champs being guranteed a slot in the plauoff so the "non-brands" of the P5 KNOW they wont get screwed in that "special" year when they win the conference.

Finally, I think the P5 will give the G5 a guaranteed slot for two more reasons---to tamp down rising public backlash against the exclusion (Americans have a strong sense of fair play and the CFP is failing miserably at "fair play" in the court of public opinion). Furthermore, interest is fading in the playoff (the ESPN selection show ratings have dropped every year and now are around half of what they started at). You cant exclude 50% of the fan bases before the first snap of the season and expect them to continue to be invested in faithfully watching your playoff and its surrounding events. There are only so many Alabama and Clemson fans. There is a smart economic component to re-engaging with the G5. The G5 is a relatively lightly mined portion of the college viewing audience. Those G5 programs are not yet fully developed and have far more growth potential (in terms of cumulative fan numbers) at this point compared to the more developed and mature programs you'll find in the P5. Thus, most of the potential future growth for expanding the college football TV audience lies in the G5.

Honestly---I think the economics of expanding the CFP and giving real access to the top G5 team just makes too much sense to ignore. I think the 5-1-2 plan will end up sailing though. The bigger battles will be about whether to host that first round of games on campus (which I think is smart) or using the bowl system.

Not just access to the competition, access to the cash. The NY6 bowl pay outs are outrageously out of balance, it needs to be doled out at least in some way similar to the NCAA credits. Otherwise the economic imbalance is such that retention even with access is tenuous. The p5 retaining autobids and at larges mean they will still take the lions share as they do NCAA, but as we have seen well ran smaller leagues have produced nationally competitive teams based on those credits and efficiency as well as interior program support.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-24-2020 02:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-24-2020 06:45 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 11:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I suspect an 8 team expansion that GUARANTEES all P5 champs are in every year is a done deal. The G5 tack on slot is pretty much a done deal too.

By "G5 tack on slot," could it be possible for the top independent team to earn that slot, or would they have to compete for one of the two "wild card" slots in a 5-1-2 system?

If the only way for an independent to qualify would be to get in as a "wild card" team, that would give BYU and the others a much more compelling reason to join a G5 conference, no?

If so, and if the 8 team CFP and a if G5 tack on slot is "pretty much a done deal," then its approval by the NCAA might be enough to persuade the BYU to join the MWC or the AAC.

*An AQ spot for the G5 would also give the G5 conferences a slight boost in status.

Nope. The top G5 CHAMP is in. Indy access is via a wildcard.

The Indys have zero pull in the CFP process.

Nope. The top G5 CHAMP is in. Indy access is via a wildcard.

The Indys have zero pull in the CFP process.
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Well, then, if the CFP expands with a 5-1-2 arrangement, BYU will have a much more compelling reason to join a G5 conference.

Why? Because then, rather than having to get in as a wild card team, they could have the same ability any G5 team would have to get in either as a wild card team or as the top G5 team...

...and it has been reported that their main reason to join a conference would be the ability to become eligible to play in a top tier bowl game.
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(12-20-2020 03:08 PM)B easy Wrote:  .

AAC can never agree to a G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.

The non-P5 schools should make a formal announcement, accompanied by an open letter to the Commissioners of the P5 conferences that they will hold a separate playoff series starting in January 2022 if the winner of the non-P5 playoff would play the winner of the P5 playoff in what would become known as the "College Football Super Bowl" game.

It would be a formal challenge to the P5. Will they accept or back down?

If they back down, then the non-P5s would come out ahead, and the P5 would look like a bunch of overly-pampered primadonnas and scaredey-cats.

They would also piss off all the fans of the non-P5 teams and the legions of college football fans who would love to have another college FB game to watch at the end of the season.

If they don't back down, then the non-P5s will play in an annual Super Bowl of College Football.

The non-P5 schools will come out ahead, either way.

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(12-24-2020 03:52 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 03:08 PM)B easy Wrote:  .

AAC can never agree to a G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.

The non-P5 schools should make a formal announcement, accompanied by an open letter to the Commissioners of the P5 conferences that they will hold a separate playoff series starting in January 2022 if the winner of the non-P5 playoff would play the winner of the P5 playoff in what would become known as the "College Football Super Bowl" game.

It would be a formal challenge to the P5. Will they accept or back down?

If they back down, then the non-P5s would come out ahead, and the P5 would look like a bunch of overly-pampered primadonnas and scaredey-cats.

They would also piss off all the fans of the non-P5 teams and the legions of college football fans who would love to have another college FB game to watch at the end of the season.

If they don't back down, then the non-P5s will play in an annual Super Bowl of College Football.

The non-P5 schools will come out ahead, either way.

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"Engage, Mr. Crusher!"

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Problem is, unlike the NFL-AFL Super Bowl, the P-5 would simply change the rules if they didn't like the it worked out.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-24-2020 05:58 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-24-2020 03:52 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 03:08 PM)B easy Wrote:  .

AAC can never agree to a G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.

The non-P5 schools should make a formal announcement, accompanied by an open letter to the Commissioners of the P5 conferences that they will hold a separate playoff series starting in January 2022 if the winner of the non-P5 playoff would play the winner of the P5 playoff in what would become known as the "College Football Super Bowl" game.

It would be a formal challenge to the P5. Will they accept or back down?

If they back down, then the non-P5s would come out ahead, and the P5 would look like a bunch of overly-pampered primadonnas and scaredey-cats.

They would also piss off all the fans of the non-P5 teams and the legions of college football fans who would love to have another college FB game to watch at the end of the season.

If they don't back down, then the non-P5s will play in an annual Super Bowl of College Football.

The non-P5 schools will come out ahead, either way.

......................................................................................................

"Engage, Mr. Crusher!"

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Problem is, unlike the NFL-AFL Super Bowl, the P-5 would simply change the rules if they didn't like the it worked out.

They might, but if they did, they would be accused of chickening out and would bring public humiliation upon themselves for w*lching on the deal.
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(12-24-2020 06:04 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-24-2020 05:58 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-24-2020 03:52 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 03:08 PM)B easy Wrote:  .

AAC can never agree to a G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.

The non-P5 schools should make a formal announcement, accompanied by an open letter to the Commissioners of the P5 conferences that they will hold a separate playoff series starting in January 2022 if the winner of the non-P5 playoff would play the winner of the P5 playoff in what would become known as the "College Football Super Bowl" game.

It would be a formal challenge to the P5. Will they accept or back down?

If they back down, then the non-P5s would come out ahead, and the P5 would look like a bunch of overly-pampered primadonnas and scaredey-cats.

They would also piss off all the fans of the non-P5 teams and the legions of college football fans who would love to have another college FB game to watch at the end of the season.

If they don't back down, then the non-P5s will play in an annual Super Bowl of College Football.

The non-P5 schools will come out ahead, either way.

......................................................................................................

"Engage, Mr. Crusher!"

......................................................................................................

.

Problem is, unlike the NFL-AFL Super Bowl, the P-5 would simply change the rules if they didn't like the it worked out.

They might, but if they did, they would be accused of chickening out and would bring public humiliation upon themselves for w*lching on the deal.

If we can clear as much $$ or more thru the G5 playoff as we'd lose in not playing a NY6, it might be worth it, provided we get any equal share of the "Super Bowl".
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(12-24-2020 01:49 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 11:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 11:32 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The problem for the AAC is there only one conference out of 10 that want more than just the money. SBC, CUSA, MAC and MWC will likely agree to whatever is thrown their way in money. As much as they say, conference champ, the P5 will want to stay with the top 8.

I agree this is likely to happen as well, I do not expect an 8-team playoff to include an auto-bid for the G5.

That's because of the politics of it not money. E.g, had there been a 8-team playoff the past six years with an auto-bid for the G5, then UCF would have two playoff appearances compared to one for Florida, zero for FSU and zero for Miami. Do you really think those Power schools want to see a little brother like UCF dramatically raise their profile like that? To be be able to recruit throughout Florida saying "we make the playoffs, they don't"? It would be perceived as kind of an easy-lane for the playoffs for G5, usually AAC, teams.

Memphis would have more playoff appearances than Tennessee. Western Michigan would have more playoff appearances than Michigan. Houston would have more playoff appearances than Texas. Is that going to sit well?

So I don't see that. But maybe I am wrong.

07-coffee3

Understand but I'm certain those P-5 schools wouldn't give up their TV money to improve their CFP chances. So they are still not deprived just not good enough within their own leagues.

I agree, they won't give up their TV money to improve CFP chances, but I also do not think they want to be put in the position of having to suffer what I described.

CFP chances do matter a lot - the only time a P5 even hinted at expanding since the CFP was the Big 12 in 2015-2016, and that was motivated by a fear that they were at a CFP playoffs disadvantage at 10 teams.

It will be interesting seeing how this plays out over the next 3-4 years before the CFP deal expires.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
I'm on record on this board as liking the 5-1-2 arrangement. However, I would like to see the winners of the five P5 leagues and the top G5 team meet some minimum requirements. For example, the G5 participant cannot have more than one league loss. So if the winners of each of the G5 leagues have two losses each, ... no G5 team in the playoff that year.

In short, teams (both P5 and G5) would need to earn their way in. It can be done.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-24-2020 03:28 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-24-2020 02:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-24-2020 06:45 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 11:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I suspect an 8 team expansion that GUARANTEES all P5 champs are in every year is a done deal. The G5 tack on slot is pretty much a done deal too.

By "G5 tack on slot," could it be possible for the top independent team to earn that slot, or would they have to compete for one of the two "wild card" slots in a 5-1-2 system?

If the only way for an independent to qualify would be to get in as a "wild card" team, that would give BYU and the others a much more compelling reason to join a G5 conference, no?

If so, and if the 8 team CFP and a if G5 tack on slot is "pretty much a done deal," then its approval by the NCAA might be enough to persuade the BYU to join the MWC or the AAC.

*An AQ spot for the G5 would also give the G5 conferences a slight boost in status.

Nope. The top G5 CHAMP is in. Indy access is via a wildcard.

The Indys have zero pull in the CFP process.

Nope. The top G5 CHAMP is in. Indy access is via a wildcard.

The Indys have zero pull in the CFP process.

Well, then, if the CFP expands with a 5-1-2 arrangement, BYU will have a much more compelling reason to join a G5 conference.

Why? Because then, rather than having to get in as a wild card team, they could have the same ability any G5 team would have to get in either as a wild card team or as the top G5 team...

...and it has been reported that their main reason to join a conference would be the ability to become eligible to play in a top tier bowl game.
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Agree on BYU, Jed.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-24-2020 09:27 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(12-24-2020 03:28 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-24-2020 02:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-24-2020 06:45 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-23-2020 11:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I suspect an 8 team expansion that GUARANTEES all P5 champs are in every year is a done deal. The G5 tack on slot is pretty much a done deal too.

By "G5 tack on slot," could it be possible for the top independent team to earn that slot, or would they have to compete for one of the two "wild card" slots in a 5-1-2 system?

If the only way for an independent to qualify would be to get in as a "wild card" team, that would give BYU and the others a much more compelling reason to join a G5 conference, no?

If so, and if the 8 team CFP and a if G5 tack on slot is "pretty much a done deal," then its approval by the NCAA might be enough to persuade the BYU to join the MWC or the AAC.

*An AQ spot for the G5 would also give the G5 conferences a slight boost in status.

Nope. The top G5 CHAMP is in. Indy access is via a wildcard.

The Indys have zero pull in the CFP process.

Nope. The top G5 CHAMP is in. Indy access is via a wildcard.

The Indys have zero pull in the CFP process.

Well, then, if the CFP expands with a 5-1-2 arrangement, BYU will have a much more compelling reason to join a G5 conference.

Why? Because then, rather than having to get in as a wild card team, they could have the same ability any G5 team would have to get in either as a wild card team or as the top G5 team...

...and it has been reported that their main reason to join a conference would be the ability to become eligible to play in a top tier bowl game.

Quote:Agree on BYU, Jed.

I agree on BYU as well, a 5/1/2 format would almost compel them to join a conference.

But that's another reason I don't think it will happen - because it would also provide that same, or at least similar, incentive to Notre Dame. And that would mean that the other P-conferences would be incentivizing Notre Dame to join the ACC, which none of them want to see.

Just look at this year - the ACC title game got higher ratings than the SEC title game, and the ACC, despite being the fourth or so best conference, got two teams in the playoffs, not the SEC. More "ACC" games were high-rated, because they involved Notre Dame.

Notre Dame would be a big boost to the ACC in every way, and nobody (other P) else wants to see that.
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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-24-2020 03:52 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 03:08 PM)B easy Wrote:  .

AAC can never agree to a G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
sounds like a damn good plan of action to me, hope it gets started today

The non-P5 schools should make a formal announcement, accompanied by an open letter to the Commissioners of the P5 conferences that they will hold a separate playoff series starting in January 2022 if the winner of the non-P5 playoff would play the winner of the P5 playoff in what would become known as the "College Football Super Bowl" game.

It would be a formal challenge to the P5. Will they accept or back down?

If they back down, then the non-P5s would come out ahead, and the P5 would look like a bunch of overly-pampered primadonnas and scaredey-cats.

They would also piss off all the fans of the non-P5 teams and the legions of college football fans who would love to have another college FB game to watch at the end of the season.

If they don't back down, then the non-P5s will play in an annual Super Bowl of College Football.

The non-P5 schools will come out ahead, either way.

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RE: AAC can never agree to G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.
(12-24-2020 03:52 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-20-2020 03:08 PM)B easy Wrote:  .

AAC can never agree to a G5 playoff. That's what the P5 is trying to force.

The non-P5 schools should make a formal announcement, accompanied by an open letter to the Commissioners of the P5 conferences that they will hold a separate playoff series starting in January 2022 if the winner of the non-P5 playoff would play the winner of the P5 playoff in what would become known as the "College Football Super Bowl" game.

It would be a formal challenge to the P5. Will they accept or back down?

If they back down, then the non-P5s would come out ahead, and the P5 would look like a bunch of overly-pampered primadonnas and scaredey-cats.

They would also piss off all the fans of the non-P5 teams and the legions of college football fans who would love to have another college FB game to watch at the end of the season.

If they don't back down, then the non-P5s will play in an annual Super Bowl of College Football.

The non-P5 schools will come out ahead, either way.

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"Engage, Mr. Crusher!"

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sounds like a damn good plan of action to me, hope they get started today
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