(12-21-2020 09:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 09:24 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  You know what, **** it. I quit.

Stammers, you're right. You always are.

I defer to your rapier wit and sexy chiseled features.

I hope you find the love you are looking for. Merry Christmas.

Me too man, me too.

(12-21-2020 09:23 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Were not taking it seriously in March, three weeks after go.

But you wants people in a basketball stadium in TN when there are no ICU beds now?

Can someone make this make sense?

Am I missing something?

Did I drink too much last night?

Restaurants that operate at 10-25% capacity, put up plexiglass partitions, space tables 10FT from each other, enforce mask usage, and disinfect tables and chairs after every sitting, spending massive amounts of money to do so, are closed. Stores, that have lines taped 6FT apart on the sidewalk and allow 4 people in their store at a time are closed. Gyms where you have to make an appointment to work out, that operate at 10% capacity, that wipe down each station after each use are closed.

Gather in the name of a protest, rally, or a cause that is deemed worthy, and you can have tens of thousands of people without causing any kind of a spike in covid cases. The exceptions are gatherings of any kind (church services, weddings, funerals, etc) having any kind of religious affiliation. Gatherings with 10 people are considered murderous super spreaders.

Do you know how many unique visitors Walmart, Costco and big ticket grocery stores get every single day? An average of 10,000. They are also the only places that people can go to buy clothes.

There are 3,000 Walmart and Costco locations in the US. EACH store receives an average of 10,000 unique visitors every day. That is 10,000 people touching everything on every shelf and not social distancing. Allowing fans in FEF in a tightly controlled environment isn't going to cause any kind of spike in covid statistics.

(12-21-2020 09:51 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 09:23 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Were not taking it seriously in March, three weeks after go.

But you wants people in a basketball stadium in TN when there are no ICU beds now?

Can someone make this make sense?

Am I missing something?

Did I drink too much last night?

Restaurants that operate at 10-25% capacity, put up plexiglass partitions, space tables 10FT from each other, enforce mask usage, and disinfect tables and chairs after every sitting, spending massive amounts of money to do so, are closed. Stores, that have lines taped 6FT apart on the sidewalk and allow 4 people in their store at a time are closed. Gyms where you have to make an appointment to work out, that operate at 10% capacity, that wipe down each station after each use are closed.

Gather in the name of a protest, rally, or a cause that is deemed worthy, and you can have tens of thousands of people without causing any kind of a spike in covid cases. The exceptions are gatherings of any kind (church services, weddings, funerals, etc) having any kind of religious affiliation. Gatherings with 10 people are considered murderous super spreaders.

Do you know how many unique visitors Walmart, Costco and big ticket grocery stores get every single day? An average of 10,000. They are also the only places that people can go to buy clothes.

There are 3,000 Walmart and Costco locations in the US. EACH store receives an average of 10,000 unique visitors every day. That is 10,000 people touching everything on every shelf and not social distancing. Allowing fans in FEF in a tightly controlled environment isn't going to cause any kind of spike in covid statistics.

I don't know if you are aware of this, but 10,000 unique visitors for walmart would be over a 24 hour period with a peak after work, not all at once. Even during the peak everyone doesn't arrive and leave at once.

Basketball games compress all attendee arrival, halftime visit to the concourse, and departure into small time windows that make social distancing difficult.

Sitting shoulder to shoulder with a stranger in the forum for 1.5 hours is much different than brushing past someone in an aisle.

When communities are under safer at home orders Walmart limits the capacity of their stores to 5 people per 100 square feet. In addition surface transmission is one of the easiest things to mitigate. Don't touch your face and wash / sanitize your hands. Airborne transmission from being in close proximity indoors (like shoulder to shoulder at a basketball game) is much harder to protect yourself from.

"Starting Saturday, we will limit the number of customers who can be in a store at once. Stores will now allow no more than five customers for each 1,000 square feet at a given time, roughly 20 percent of a store’s capacity.

To manage this restriction, the associates at a store will mark a queue at a single-entry door (in most cases the Grocery entrance) and direct arriving customers there, where they will be admitted one-by-one and counted. Associates and signage will remind customers of the importance of social distancing while they’re waiting to enter a store – especially before it opens in the morning."
https://corporate.walmart.com/newsroom/2...distancing

(12-21-2020 11:52 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 09:51 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 09:23 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Were not taking it seriously in March, three weeks after go.

But you wants people in a basketball stadium in TN when there are no ICU beds now?

Can someone make this make sense?

Am I missing something?

Did I drink too much last night?

Restaurants that operate at 10-25% capacity, put up plexiglass partitions, space tables 10FT from each other, enforce mask usage, and disinfect tables and chairs after every sitting, spending massive amounts of money to do so, are closed. Stores, that have lines taped 6FT apart on the sidewalk and allow 4 people in their store at a time are closed. Gyms where you have to make an appointment to work out, that operate at 10% capacity, that wipe down each station after each use are closed.

Gather in the name of a protest, rally, or a cause that is deemed worthy, and you can have tens of thousands of people without causing any kind of a spike in covid cases. The exceptions are gatherings of any kind (church services, weddings, funerals, etc) having any kind of religious affiliation. Gatherings with 10 people are considered murderous super spreaders.

Do you know how many unique visitors Walmart, Costco and big ticket grocery stores get every single day? An average of 10,000. They are also the only places that people can go to buy clothes.

There are 3,000 Walmart and Costco locations in the US. EACH store receives an average of 10,000 unique visitors every day. That is 10,000 people touching everything on every shelf and not social distancing. Allowing fans in FEF in a tightly controlled environment isn't going to cause any kind of spike in covid statistics.

I don't know if you are aware of this, but 10,000 unique visitors for walmart would be over a 24 hour period with a peak after work, not all at once. Even during the peak everyone doesn't arrive and leave at once.

Basketball games compress all attendee arrival, halftime visit to the concourse, and departure into small time windows that make social distancing difficult.

Sitting shoulder to shoulder with a stranger in the forum for 1.5 hours is much different than brushing past someone in an aisle.

When communities are under safer at home orders Walmart limits the capacity of their stores to 5 people per 100 square feet. In addition surface transmission is one of the easiest things to mitigate. Don't touch your face and wash / sanitize your hands. Airborne transmission from being in close proximity indoors (like shoulder to shoulder at a basketball game) is much harder to protect yourself from.

"Starting Saturday, we will limit the number of customers who can be in a store at once. Stores will now allow no more than five customers for each 1,000 square feet at a given time, roughly 20 percent of a store’s capacity.

To manage this restriction, the associates at a store will mark a queue at a single-entry door (in most cases the Grocery entrance) and direct arriving customers there, where they will be admitted one-by-one and counted. Associates and signage will remind customers of the importance of social distancing while they’re waiting to enter a store – especially before it opens in the morning."
https://corporate.walmart.com/newsroom/2...distancing

Quote:Airborne transmission from being in close proximity indoors (like shoulder to shoulder at a basketball game) is much harder to protect yourself from.

Transmission from those within your bubble with others a safe distance away, is much less likely than transmission has been when you have 10,000 unique visitors with no controlled element.

I don't know if you are aware of this, but there are peak hours of operation at Walmart where they get more visitors. They don't have staff walking around disinfecting the shelves after everyone walks around touching things, AND you have strangers mingling and not social distancing.

Quote:Stores will now allow no more than five customers for each 1,000 square feet at a given time, roughly 20 percent of a store’s capacity.

The math doesn't work. The average store is 180,000 square feet. Does that mean that they are only going to allow 36 people in the store at once? Without calculating peak hours, they average around 417 people in the store at all times, over the course of a 24 hour day.

IF they enforce this at every Walmart, Costco and grocery store; people will be lined up for 8-12 hours. Again, this doesn't account for the fact that all of the closures of small businesses and restaurants comprise a very tiny percentage of cases and deaths.

I don't need stats. Reality is this: our healthcare system is overwhelmed in many places. Docs and nurses are stretched beyond their capabilities.

Anyone who wants to avoid adding to their misery, or becoming a stat in his/her area knows what to do.

Ignore the people who argue with reality of the overwhelmed healthcare workers and the full hospitals. Those who thrive on insulting others and arguing...ignore them. They aren't here to support anything but their own need for conflict.

Is it Christmas yet.

Just wait until the economic fallout after this. The HD is putting lots of companies out of business. The state cant get the law changed stripping them of their careless decision making fast enough.

(12-21-2020 08:21 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Anyone know the CT value being used in TN to determine a positive test result?

'Bout tree fiddy.

(12-21-2020 08:21 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Anyone know the CT value being used in TN to determine a positive test result?

Good luck with finding that out. They can move that Goal Post anytime they want.

(12-21-2020 09:24 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  You know what, **** it. I quit.

Stammers, you're right. You always are.

I defer to your rapier wit and sexy chiseled features.

You have to bring a GD Ogre with you to help when you run your mouth. GFY pal.

(12-21-2020 12:42 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Just wait until the economic fallout after this. The HD is putting lots of companies out of business. The state cant get the law changed stripping them of their careless decision making fast enough.

(12-21-2020 01:58 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 09:24 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  You know what, **** it. I quit.

Stammers, you're right. You always are.

I defer to your rapier wit and sexy chiseled features.

You have to bring a GD Ogre with you to help when you run your mouth. GFY pal.

Oh my

(12-21-2020 12:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 11:52 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 09:51 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 09:23 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Were not taking it seriously in March, three weeks after go.

But you wants people in a basketball stadium in TN when there are no ICU beds now?

Can someone make this make sense?

Am I missing something?

Did I drink too much last night?

Restaurants that operate at 10-25% capacity, put up plexiglass partitions, space tables 10FT from each other, enforce mask usage, and disinfect tables and chairs after every sitting, spending massive amounts of money to do so, are closed. Stores, that have lines taped 6FT apart on the sidewalk and allow 4 people in their store at a time are closed. Gyms where you have to make an appointment to work out, that operate at 10% capacity, that wipe down each station after each use are closed.

Gather in the name of a protest, rally, or a cause that is deemed worthy, and you can have tens of thousands of people without causing any kind of a spike in covid cases. The exceptions are gatherings of any kind (church services, weddings, funerals, etc) having any kind of religious affiliation. Gatherings with 10 people are considered murderous super spreaders.

Do you know how many unique visitors Walmart, Costco and big ticket grocery stores get every single day? An average of 10,000. They are also the only places that people can go to buy clothes.

There are 3,000 Walmart and Costco locations in the US. EACH store receives an average of 10,000 unique visitors every day. That is 10,000 people touching everything on every shelf and not social distancing. Allowing fans in FEF in a tightly controlled environment isn't going to cause any kind of spike in covid statistics.

I don't know if you are aware of this, but 10,000 unique visitors for walmart would be over a 24 hour period with a peak after work, not all at once. Even during the peak everyone doesn't arrive and leave at once.

Basketball games compress all attendee arrival, halftime visit to the concourse, and departure into small time windows that make social distancing difficult.

Sitting shoulder to shoulder with a stranger in the forum for 1.5 hours is much different than brushing past someone in an aisle.

When communities are under safer at home orders Walmart limits the capacity of their stores to 5 people per 100 square feet. In addition surface transmission is one of the easiest things to mitigate. Don't touch your face and wash / sanitize your hands. Airborne transmission from being in close proximity indoors (like shoulder to shoulder at a basketball game) is much harder to protect yourself from.

"Starting Saturday, we will limit the number of customers who can be in a store at once. Stores will now allow no more than five customers for each 1,000 square feet at a given time, roughly 20 percent of a store’s capacity.

To manage this restriction, the associates at a store will mark a queue at a single-entry door (in most cases the Grocery entrance) and direct arriving customers there, where they will be admitted one-by-one and counted. Associates and signage will remind customers of the importance of social distancing while they’re waiting to enter a store – especially before it opens in the morning."
https://corporate.walmart.com/newsroom/2...distancing

Quote:Airborne transmission from being in close proximity indoors (like shoulder to shoulder at a basketball game) is much harder to protect yourself from.

Transmission from those within your bubble with others a safe distance away, is much less likely than transmission has been when you have 10,000 unique visitors with no controlled element.

I don't know if you are aware of this, but there are peak hours of operation at Walmart where they get more visitors. They don't have staff walking around disinfecting the shelves after everyone walks around touching things, AND you have strangers mingling and not social distancing.

Quote:Stores will now allow no more than five customers for each 1,000 square feet at a given time, roughly 20 percent of a store’s capacity.

The math doesn't work. The average store is 180,000 square feet. Does that mean that they are only going to allow 36 people in the store at once? Without calculating peak hours, they average around 417 people in the store at all times, over the course of a 24 hour day.

IF they enforce this at every Walmart, Costco and grocery store; people will be lined up for 8-12 hours. Again, this doesn't account for the fact that all of the closures of small businesses and restaurants comprise a very tiny percentage of cases and deaths.

The math doesn't work for you because you didn't do it right dummy.

There is no world where 5 x 180 is 36. Try a calculator next time.

As to your other point, as I said wash your hands and don't touch your face after touching stuff in a store. Much easier to protect against virus on surfaces than airborne respiratory aerosols.

(12-21-2020 03:08 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 01:58 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 09:24 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  You know what, **** it. I quit.

Stammers, you're right. You always are.

I defer to your rapier wit and sexy chiseled features.

You have to bring a GD Ogre with you to help when you run your mouth. GFY pal.

Oh my

Interesting.

(12-21-2020 03:25 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 12:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 11:52 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 09:51 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 09:23 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Were not taking it seriously in March, three weeks after go.

But you wants people in a basketball stadium in TN when there are no ICU beds now?

Can someone make this make sense?

Am I missing something?

Did I drink too much last night?

Restaurants that operate at 10-25% capacity, put up plexiglass partitions, space tables 10FT from each other, enforce mask usage, and disinfect tables and chairs after every sitting, spending massive amounts of money to do so, are closed. Stores, that have lines taped 6FT apart on the sidewalk and allow 4 people in their store at a time are closed. Gyms where you have to make an appointment to work out, that operate at 10% capacity, that wipe down each station after each use are closed.

Gather in the name of a protest, rally, or a cause that is deemed worthy, and you can have tens of thousands of people without causing any kind of a spike in covid cases. The exceptions are gatherings of any kind (church services, weddings, funerals, etc) having any kind of religious affiliation. Gatherings with 10 people are considered murderous super spreaders.

Do you know how many unique visitors Walmart, Costco and big ticket grocery stores get every single day? An average of 10,000. They are also the only places that people can go to buy clothes.

There are 3,000 Walmart and Costco locations in the US. EACH store receives an average of 10,000 unique visitors every day. That is 10,000 people touching everything on every shelf and not social distancing. Allowing fans in FEF in a tightly controlled environment isn't going to cause any kind of spike in covid statistics.

I don't know if you are aware of this, but 10,000 unique visitors for walmart would be over a 24 hour period with a peak after work, not all at once. Even during the peak everyone doesn't arrive and leave at once.

Basketball games compress all attendee arrival, halftime visit to the concourse, and departure into small time windows that make social distancing difficult.

Sitting shoulder to shoulder with a stranger in the forum for 1.5 hours is much different than brushing past someone in an aisle.

When communities are under safer at home orders Walmart limits the capacity of their stores to 5 people per 100 square feet. In addition surface transmission is one of the easiest things to mitigate. Don't touch your face and wash / sanitize your hands. Airborne transmission from being in close proximity indoors (like shoulder to shoulder at a basketball game) is much harder to protect yourself from.

"Starting Saturday, we will limit the number of customers who can be in a store at once. Stores will now allow no more than five customers for each 1,000 square feet at a given time, roughly 20 percent of a store’s capacity.

To manage this restriction, the associates at a store will mark a queue at a single-entry door (in most cases the Grocery entrance) and direct arriving customers there, where they will be admitted one-by-one and counted. Associates and signage will remind customers of the importance of social distancing while they’re waiting to enter a store – especially before it opens in the morning."
https://corporate.walmart.com/newsroom/2...distancing

Quote:Airborne transmission from being in close proximity indoors (like shoulder to shoulder at a basketball game) is much harder to protect yourself from.

Transmission from those within your bubble with others a safe distance away, is much less likely than transmission has been when you have 10,000 unique visitors with no controlled element.

I don't know if you are aware of this, but there are peak hours of operation at Walmart where they get more visitors. They don't have staff walking around disinfecting the shelves after everyone walks around touching things, AND you have strangers mingling and not social distancing.

Quote:Stores will now allow no more than five customers for each 1,000 square feet at a given time, roughly 20 percent of a store’s capacity.

The math doesn't work. The average store is 180,000 square feet. Does that mean that they are only going to allow 36 people in the store at once? Without calculating peak hours, they average around 417 people in the store at all times, over the course of a 24 hour day.

IF they enforce this at every Walmart, Costco and grocery store; people will be lined up for 8-12 hours. Again, this doesn't account for the fact that all of the closures of small businesses and restaurants comprise a very tiny percentage of cases and deaths.

The math doesn't work for you because you didn't do it right dummy.

There is no world where 5 x 180 is 36. Try a calculator next time.

As to your other point, as I said wash your hands and don't touch your face after touching stuff in a store. Much easier to protect against virus on surfaces than airborne respiratory aerosols.

So your entire argument is my bad math (which it was), and wash your hands and don't touch your face?

Using accurate math, your argument looks even dumber.

1/5,000 = 900/180,000

Assume that with customers coming and going, you are churning 2,000 unique visitors per hour. Your argument is that having a fraction of capacity in a restaurant where every single customer is scrutinized, there are controls in place to make sure nobody leaves their bubble, with plexiglass, tables distanced and every surface disinfected on a continuous basis, compares in any way to 2,000 unique visitors per hour at Costco, Walmart, or Target?

THAT is dumb.

Everyone would be much better off having EVERYTHING open and disbursing everyone at safe distances, instead of massing tens of millions of people at big box stores.